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〈…〉_z theodoret._n the_o denial_n of_o the_o possibility_n of_o keep_v the_o commendemeâ—s_n be_v first_o broach_v by_o certain_a heretic_n in_o s._n hieroms_n time_n and_o impugn_a by_o damasun_n hierom_n and_o 91_o augustiâ—â—_n the_o denial_n of_o all_o reverend_a estimation_n particular_o to_o the_o cross_n or_o crucifix_n of_o christ_n be_v first_o invent_v by_o probianus_n and_o he_o record_v and_o reprehend_v therefore_o in_o 19_o the_o tripartite_a history_n the_o denial_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n be_v first_o mantain_v by_o certain_a heretic_n in_o s._n ignatius_n his_o time_n as_o 3._o theodoret_n relate_v and_o condemn_v they_o for_o the_o same_o the_o denial_n of_o priest_n have_v power_n to_o remit_v sin_n be_v first_o justify_v by_o novatus_fw-la his_o scholar_n be_v call_v novatiani_n his_o heresy_n record_v and_o condemn_v by_o fabulis_fw-la theodoret_n and_o 33._o eusebius_n final_o to_o omit_v diverse_a other_o protestant_a doctrine_n for_o great_a brevity_n the_o 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conficeretur_fw-la though_o it_o be_v to_o be_v consecrate_v by_o the_o devil_n 5._o for_o absolute_a denial_n of_o tempor_n all_o magistrate_n a_o heresy_n indifferent_o condemn_v both_o by_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n we_o find_v luther_n thus_o to_o write_v among_o german_a christian_n no_o man_n can_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v a_o magistrate_n but_o every_o one_o be_v to_o other_o equal_o subject_a etc._n etc._n and_o again_o as_o christ_n 327._o can_v suffer_v himself_o to_o be_v tie_v &_o bind_v by_o law_n etc._n etc._n so_o also_o ought_v not_o the_o conscience_n of_o a_o christian_n to_o suffer_v they_o 6._o touch_v luther_n denial_n of_o certain_a parcel_n of_o scripture_n and_o first_o the_o epistle_n of_o s._n james_n be_v call_v by_o luther_n contentious_a jenensi_fw-la swell_a strawy_a and_o unworthy_a a_o apostolical_a spirit_n the_o book_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n be_v also_o reject_v by_o luther_n by_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o bullenger_n thus_o write_v hereof_o 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to_o wage_v war_n against_o the_o turk_n a_o error_n which_o enen_fw-la the_o great_a idolatour_n of_o luther_n have_v main_o condemn_v luther_n word_n be_v these_o 34._o praeliari_fw-la contra_fw-la turcas_fw-la est_fw-la repugnare_fw-la deo_fw-la visitanti_fw-la iniquitates_fw-la nostras_fw-la per_fw-la illos_fw-la to_o wage_v war_n against_o the_o turk_n be_v to_o resist_v god_n visit_v our_o sinne_n by_o they_o a_o point_n so_o confess_v that_o erasmus_n thus_o write_v of_o the_o consequence_n and_o effect_n of_o luther_n doctrine_n many_o germaniae_fw-la of_o the_o saxon_n follow_v herein_o that_o firct_a doctrine_n of_o luther_n deny_v to_o caesar_n and_o king_n ferdinand_n aid_n against_o the_o turk_n etc._n etc._n and_o say_v they_o have_v rather_o fight_v for_o a_o turk_n not_o baptise_a then_o for_o a_o turk_n baptise_a meaning_n the_o emperor_n thus_o erasmus_n 8._o touch_v faith_n and_o good_a work_n luther_n teach_v a_o heresy_n disallow_v by_o all_o learned_a protestant_n 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〈◊〉_d uâ—_n by_o which_o we_o know_v a_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d heareby_o imply_v that_o the_o true_a administration_n of_o the_o word_n &_o sacrament_n be_v internal_a and_o inward_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o true_a external_a note_n of_o the_o church_n for_o although_o eich_n preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o use_n of_o sacrament_n be_v external_a and_o subâ—ect_a to_o the_o outward_a sense_n yet_o which_o be_v the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o true_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n for_o as_o they_o be_v pure_o preach_v and_o sincere_o administer_v so_o and_o no_o otherwise_o be_v they_o appoint_v by_o the_o protestant_n for_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o church_n be_v internal_a since_o truth_n in_o doctrine_n be_v internal_a and_o invisible_a we_o may_v ad_fw-la hearto_fw-la that_o in_o the_o note_n of_o true_a preach_v the_o word_n the_o belive_v &_o receive_v it_o so_o preach_v &_o this_o with_o perseverance_n be_v include_v
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warrant_v and_o teach_v besides_o by_o the_o former_a ancient_a father_n of_o the_o primative_a church_n even_o by_o diverse_a learned_a protestant_n according_a hearto_fw-ge we_o find_v it_o be_v mantayn_v for_o true_a doctrine_n by_o 140._o m._n hooker_n by_o d._n 52._o coâ—ell_o and_o by_o 19_o bucer_n and_o thus_o fâ—r_o brief_o of_o justification_n by_o work_n of_o merit_n of_o work_n and_o of_o work_n of_o supererogation_n the_o catholic_a doctrine_n touch_v indulgence_n the_o virulency_n of_o protestant_n against_o the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n be_v most_o remarkable_a wherefore_o for_o their_o better_a conceave_a of_o the_o state_n of_o this_o question_n or_o indulgence_n this_o follow_v in_o the_o catholic_a doctrine_n first_o that_o mortal_a sin_n be_v remit_v by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confession_n so_o far_o forth_o only_o as_o concern_v the_o guilt_n or_o offence_n of_o god_n and_o the_o punishment_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n yet_o so_o that_o this_o eternal_a 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punishment_n in_o like_a sort_n marriage_n in_o the_o first_o degree_n of_o affinity_n in_o the_o collateral_a line_n as_o when_o one_o marri_v the_o wife_n of_o his_o brother_n be_v dead_a and_o in_o the_o second_o degree_n to_o wit_n when_o the_o nephew_n marri_v the_o wife_n of_o his_o uncle_n be_v not_o punish_v with_o death_n of_o the_o party_n so_o contract_v but_o only_o with_o privation_n of_o child_n that_o be_v that_o the_o child_n beget_v in_o such_o a_o marriage_n shall_v not_o be_v asâ—rybed_n or_o repute_v the_o child_n of_o their_o say_a patent_n now_o this_o punishment_n evident_o show_v that_o these_o mariadge_n be_v not_o prohibit_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n since_o the_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n do_v not_o dictate_v to_o all_o man_n that_o the_o former_a chastisement_n be_v a_o just_a punishment_n of_o the_o foresay_a kind_n of_o marriage_n second_o the_o former_a proposition_n or_o sentence_n be_v thus_o prove_v if_o all_o the_o precept_n of_o leviticus_fw-la touch_v the_o degree_n of_o marriage_n be_v ordain_v by_o the_o
brother_n because_o a_o ospring_n be_v then_o beget_v of_o that_o former_a mariadg_n to_o wit_n the_o daughter_n of_o herodiades_n who_o so_o please_v the_o king_n with_o dance_v that_o she_o obtain_v the_o head_n of_o s._n john_n baptist_n that_o this_o daughter_n be_v the_o daughter_n of_o herodiades_n beget_v by_o the_o brother_n of_o herod_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o matheunâ—_n chrisostome_n second_o i_o further_a answer_n to_o this_o example_n of_o herod_n that_o the_o sin_n of_o herod_n be_v not_o only_a incest_n but_o also_o adultery_n since_o herod_n do_v marye_n the_o wife_n of_o his_o brother_n he_o be_v yet_o live_v as_o s._n mathaeâ—m_n jerom_n witness_v out_o of_o ancient_a history_n and_o 9_o josephus_n aver_v the_o same_o thus_o far_o then_o of_o this_o point_n to_o show_v that_o all_o the_o precept_n of_o leâ—iticus_n touch_v the_o prohibit_v degree_n in_o mariadg_n be_v not_o command_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o that_o they_o do_v not_o oblige_v christian_n by_o divine_a law_n for_o the_o ever_o observe_v of_o they_o but_o that_o some_o of_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o dispensable_a and_o consequent_o that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n may_v upon_o most_o urgent_a occasion_n sometime_o dispense_v with_o some_o of_o the_o say_a precept_n now_o hear_v then_o appear_v the_o inconsiderate_n and_o rash_a obloquy_n of_o our_o adversary_n charge_v the_o pope_n that_o he_o teach_v mariadg_n to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n consequent_o by_o his_o own_o doctrine_n undertake_v and_o presume_v to_o alter_v the_o matter_n or_o essential_a part_n of_o a_o sacrament_n which_o be_v first_o institute_v by_o christ_n and_o therefore_o inaltorable_a by_o man._n to_o which_o false_a aspersion_n i_o answer_v that_o neither_o the_o pope_n nor_o the_o church_n can_v change_v the_o essential_a part_n of_o this_o or_o any_o other_o sacrament_n for_o we_o be_v hear_v to_o conceive_v that_o the_o matter_n of_o this_o sacrament_n be_v not_o the_o join_v together_o of_o every_o man_n or_o woman_n since_o then_o this_o sacrament_n may_v be_v perfect_v between_o the_o father_n and_o the_o daughter_n but_o only_o the_o join_v together_o of_o lawful_a person_n now_o which_o be_v lawful_a person_n for_o mariadg_n christ_n do_v not_o appoint_v or_o set_v down_o but_o only_o a_o humane_a contract_n between_o lawful_a person_n be_v presuppose_v christ_n himself_o do_v advance_v this_o conjunction_n to_o the_o dignity_n of_o a_o sacrament_n therefore_o the_o church_n or_o the_o pope_n do_v only_o determine_v who_o be_v to_o be_v account_v lawful_a person_n for_o the_o contract_n of_o marriage_n and_o in_o this_o sort_n the_o church_n do_v only_o prepare_v the_o matter_n or_o foundation_n fit_v for_o this_o sacrament_n but_o do_v not_o nor_o can_v alter_v and_o change_v the_o essential_a part_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o marriage_n and_o herewith_o i_o conclude_v this_o short_a discourse_n touch_v this_o subject_n that_o the_o catholic_n do_v not_o expunge_v out_o of_o god_n write_v or_o reject_v those_o word_n in_o the_o decalogue_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n but_o that_o they_o willing_o acknowledge_v they_o as_o part_v of_o the_o decalogue_n howsoever_o they_o be_v not_o sometime_o set_v down_o in_o cathechisâ—es_n and_o primars_n whereas_o the_o protestant_n do_v charge_n the_o catholic_n to_o conceal_v through_o their_o affect_a fraud_n in_o their_o catechisâ—nes_n and_o primars_n one_o commandment_n and_o so_o to_o expunge_v it_o out_o of_o holy_a writ_n to_o wit_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n nor_o the_o likeness_n of_o anything_o above_o in_o heaven_n or_o on_o earth_n beneath_o neither_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v in_o the_o water_n under_o the_o earth_n thou_o shall_v nor_o adore_v they_o or_o worship_v they_o etc._n etc._n this_o i_o say_v be_v either_o a_o fraudulent_a or_o a_o ignorant_a mistake_n of_o our_o adversary_n for_o the_o truth_n be_v those_o word_n here_o recite_v do_v but_o make_v one_o and_o the_o same_o commandment_n with_o those_o first_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o have_v any_o other_o god_n before_o i_o these_o late_a being_n but_o a_o more_o full_a explication_n of_o the_o first_o word_n and_o consequent_o may_v be_v omit_v sometime_o in_o a_o short_a number_v or_o set_v down_o of_o the_o commandment_n this_o be_v thus_o prove_v every_o image_n be_v not_o prohibit_v in_o the_o decalogue_n or_o ten_o commandment_n but_o only_o that_o which_o may_v be_v true_o call_v a_o idol_n that_o be_v a_o image_n which_o be_v take_v for_o god_n or_o which_o represent_v god_n to_o be_v that_o thing_n which_o god_n be_v not_o therefore_o when_o it_o be_v say_v thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n the_o exterior_a act_n of_o idolatry_n be_v forbid_v but_o in_o those_o first_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o have_v any_o other_o god_n before_o i_o the_o internal_a act_n of_o idolatry_n be_v prohibit_v of_o which_o point_n most_o at_o large_a saint_n austin_n 77._o discourse_v now_o that_o image_n be_v not_o absolute_o forbid_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n appear_v in_o that_o the_o scripture_n tell_v we_o that_o god_n himself_o command_v image_n to_o be_v make_v according_a here_o to_o we_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o king_n 7._o that_o god_n command_v the_o image_n of_o the_o cherubin_n lion_n and_o ox_n to_o be_v make_v in_o the_o book_n of_o number_n 21._o the_o brazen_a serpent_n and_o in_o exodus_fw-la 25._o the_o image_n of_o the_o cherubin_n to_o be_v make_v from_o whence_o we_o may_v infallible_o conclude_v that_o the_o make_n of_o image_n be_v not_o absolute_o forbid_v by_o god_n as_o a_o distinct_a precept_n from_o the_o first_o but_o only_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o the_o image_n be_v take_v for_o god_n and_o consequent_o that_o as_o be_v above_o say_v these_o word_n forbid_v the_o make_n of_o image_n do_v but_o make_v one_o &_o the_o same_o commandment_n with_o the_o first_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o have_v any_o other_o god_n before_o i_o and_o therefore_o the_o catholic_n do_v not_o fraudulent_o conceal_v one_o of_o the_o ten_o commandment_n as_o our_o adversary_n do_v in_o their_o pulpit_n tragical_o complain_v again_o if_o all_o image_n shall_v be_v absolute_o prohibit_v in_o the_o former_a word_n of_o the_o decalogue_n then_o shall_v it_o follow_v that_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o decalogue_n shall_v not_o be_v only_o ten_o but_o eleven_o or_o twelve_o a_o inference_n incompatible_a with_o the_o scripture_n 10._o itself_o which_o in_o express_a word_n teach_v that_o there_o be_v but_o ten_o commandment_n the_o necessity_n of_o this_o inference_n be_v thus_o prove_v it_o be_v grant_v on_o all_o side_n that_o those_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o have_v any_o other_o god_n before_o i_o be_v one_o precept_n that_o thou_o shall_v not_o take_v the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o vain_a be_v a_o other_o a_o three_o thou_o shall_v keep_v holy_a the_o sabbath_n day_n a_o four_o honour_v thy_o father_n and_o thy_o mother_n a_o five_o thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v a_o six_o thou_o shall_v not_o commit_v adultery_n a_o seven_o thou_o shall_v not_o steal_v a_o eight_o thou_o shall_v not_o bear_v false_a witness_n against_o thy_o neighbour_n a_o nine_o thou_o shall_v noâ—_n covet_v etc._n etc._n now_o that_o thou_o shall_v not_o covet_v etc._n etc._n be_v either_o to_o be_v divide_v into_o two_o precept_n so_o as_o the_o nine_o precept_n shall_v be_v thou_o shall_v not_o covet_v thy_o neighbour_n wife_n the_o ten_o thou_o shall_v not_o coact_v thy_o neighbour_n ox_n nor_o his_o ass_n nor_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v he_o or_o else_o those_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o covet_v etc._n etc._n with_o all_o the_o word_n follow_v to_o wit_n his_o wife_n his_o ox_n his_o ass_n or_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v he_o do_v make_v but_o one_o precept_n or_o commandment_n if_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v divide_v into_o two_o then_o follow_v it_o that_o those_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v any_o grave_a â—mage_n &c._n &c._n shall_v be_v the_o eleven_o commandment_n contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n or_o that_o this_o be_v not_o a_o distinct_a precept_n from_o the_o first_o videlicet_fw-la thou_o shall_v not_o have_v any_o other_o god_n before_o i_o as_o clemens_n alexander_n citum_fw-la saint_n 11._o austin_n all_o schoolman_n and_o latin_a catechism_n do_v teach_v and_o then_o it_o follow_v that_o not_o every_o grave_a image_n be_v forbid_v in_o these_o word_n but_o only_o that_o which_o be_v take_v for_o a_o other_o god_n now_o if_o suppose_v further_o that_o that_o thou_o shall_v not_o covet_v etc._n etc._n be_v only_o one_o precept_n as_o some_o other_o father_n do_v hold_v then_o to_o make_v up_o the_o ten_o commandment_n all_o those_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o
make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n thou_o shall_v not_o adorethem_n nor_o worship_v they_o etc._n etc._n do_v concur_v to_o make_v up_o one_o precept_n or_o commandment_n but_o absolute_o and_o simple_o to_o make_v image_n and_o to_o adore_v or_o worship_v they_o be_v make_v be_v two_o different_a thing_n in_o themselves_o because_o one_o man_n may_v adore_v a_o image_n which_o he_o do_v not_o make_v and_o a_o other_o man_n may_v make_v a_o image_n and_o yet_o not_o adore_v it_o therefore_o only_o one_o of_o these_o two_o thing_n be_v prohibit_v in_o the_o foresay_a word_n since_o otherwise_o there_o shall_v be_v eleven_o commandment_n but_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o worship_v of_o image_n in_o place_n of_o god_n be_v forbid_v therefore_o the_o absolute_a make_n of_o they_o be_v not_o forbid_v but_o only_o with_o reference_n of_o worship_v they_o instead_o of_o god_n now_o the_o schoolman_n and_o all_o latin_a catechism_n &_o primar_n do_v follow_v herein_o the_o first_o opinion_n of_o s._n augustin_n to_o wit_n that_o those_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n do_v make_v but_o one_o commandment_n with_o the_o first_o precept_n of_o not_o worship_v other_o go_n and_o therefore_o primar_n and_o catechism_n intend_v but_o brief_o and_o in_o few_o word_n to_o set_v down_o the_o ten_o commandment_n do_v omit_v to_o set_v down_o that_o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v they_o &c._n &c._n because_o as_o be_v say_v these_o word_n be_v implicit_o include_v in_o the_o first_o commandment_n in_o like_a sort_n and_o for_o the_o same_o cause_n of_o brief_o set_v down_o the_o ten_o commandment_n we_o find_v that_o latin_a cathechisme_n and_o primar_n do_v omit_v to_o set_v down_o diverse_a word_n immediate_o follow_v in_o exodus_fw-la and_o belong_v to_o the_o commandment_n of_o keep_v the_o sabbath_n day_n holy_a the_o word_n omit_v 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church_n be_v teach_v as_o true_a and_o warrantable_a doctrine_n by_o diverse_a learned_a protestant_n as_o by_o cempnitius_n 33._o by_o luther_n 12._o and_o brentius_n jacobus_n 39_o andreas_n etc._n etc._n but_o now_o i_o will_v conclude_v this_o discourse_n touch_v image_n with_o a_o most_o authentical_a and_o strange_a miracle_n wrought_v by_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o record_v by_o 14._o eusebius_n mathaei_n theophilact_fw-mi and_o 20._o zozemene_n all_o ancient_a &_o grave_a writer_n who_o authoritye_n herein_o if_o we_o reject_v we_o reject_v by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o proof_n of_o all_o other_o thing_n record_v by_o ancient_a historiographer_n it_o be_v this_o the_o woman_n who_o our_o saviour_n cure_v of_o the_o bloody_a flux_n cause_v to_o be_v make_v a_o brazen_a image_n of_o christ_n at_o the_o foot_n whereof_o do_v spring_v a_o strange_a herb_n the_o which_o herb_n after_o it_o do_v ascend_v so_o high_a as_o to_o touch_v the_o scirt_n of_o the_o image_n it_o 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the_o judgement_n of_o s._n austin_n ult._n and_o all_o catholic_n to_o make_v saint_n go_n and_o therefore_o if_o at_o any_o time_n the_o word_n direct_v to_o saint_n shall_v sound_v otherwise_o as_o when_o we_o say_v our_o lady_n help_v i_o etc._n etc._n we_o be_v hear_v to_o insist_v in_o the_o sense_n not_o in_o the_o naked_a word_n that_o be_v our_o lady_n help_v i_o by_o her_o intercession_n and_o prayer_n to_o her_o son_n and_o no_o otherwise_o even_o as_o we_o find_v that_o s._n paul_n say_v of_o himself_o illis_fw-la if_o i_o may_v save_v some_o of_o they_o meaning_n of_o the_o gentill_n and_o again_o the_o say_a apostle_n say_v of_o himself_o to_o saluos_fw-la all_o man_n i_o be_o become_v all_o thing_n that_o i_o may_v save_v all_o meaning_n to_o save_v all_o not_o as_o god_n but_o only_o healp_v they_o and_o further_a their_o salvation_n by_o his_o preach_n to_o they_o and_o by_o his_o prayer_n for_o they_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v true_o understand_v may_v searâ—e_v well_o to_o stop_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o protestant_a minister_n for_o their_o often_o mistake_v and_o misinterpret_v of_o the_o catholic_a doctrine_n touch_v prayer_n to_o saint_n the_o second_o proposition_n saint_n be_v not_o our_o immediate_a mediator_n by_o way_n of_o intercession_n with_o god_n but_o whatsoever_o they_o demand_n or_o obtain_v of_o god_n for_o we_o they_o demand_v and_o obtain_v it_o through_o christ_n and_o his_o merit_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la we_o find_v that_o all_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v make_v to_o saint_n end_v with_o this_o clause_n per_fw-la christum_fw-la dominum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la for_o we_o willing_o acknowledge_v 14._o that_o no_o man_n come_v to_o the_o father_n by_o the_o son_n and_o that_o their_o be_v but_o one_o mediator_n of_o redemption_n though_o all_o the_o saint_n may_v be_v term_v our_o mediator_n by_o way_n of_o intercession_n the_o three_o proposition_n the_o saint_n which_o reigue_n with_o 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endue_v with_o intelligence_n or_o understanding_n and_o with_o will_n they_o be_v ever_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n they_o love_v we_o vehement_o and_o final_o they_o 20._o be_v equal_a even_o with_o angel_n beside_o some_o privilege_n they_o have_v in_o this_o point_n which_o be_v want_v in_o angel_n to_o wit_n that_o saint_n be_v more_o conjoin_v and_o unite_a member_n of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o they_o have_v try_v our_o danger_n and_o misery_n which_o angel_n have_v not_o three_o the_o former_a proposition_n be_v prove_v from_o the_o many_o apparition_n of_o saint_n which_o have_v evident_o testify_v that_o they_o do_v pray_v for_o we_o even_o in_o particular_a of_o diverse_a such_o particular_a apparition_n see_v 5._o eusebius_n mortuis_fw-la austin_n manante_fw-la basill_n julianun_n gregory_n nazianzen_n â—aâ—â—ens_n gregory_n nyslene_n and_o 24._o theodoret_n all_o which_o testimony_n of_o so_o ancient_a and_o reverend_a father_n to_o reject_v touch_v matter_n of_o fact_n by_o answer_v that_o all_o such_o relation_n be_v fabulous_a be_v in_o effect_n and_o by_o necessary_a inference_n to_o take_v away_o all_o authority_n of_o ecclesiastical_a and_o humane_a history_n the_o four_o and_o last_o proposition_n saint_n and_o angel_n be_v religious_o and_o profitable_o invoke_v and_o pray_v unto_o by_o live_v men._n this_o be_v prove_v first_o we_o read_v that_o jacob_n blessing_n the_o son_n of_o joseph_n thus_o say_v the_o â—8_o angel_n which_o have_v deliur_v i_o from_o all_o evil_a bless_v these_o child_n where_o we_o see_v that_o jacob_n express_o invoke_v these_o angel_n again_o we_o read_v thus_o in_o job._n call_v 5._o if_o any_o will_n answer_v thou_o and_o turn_v to_o some_o of_o the_o saint_n where_o by_o the_o word_n saint_n he_o mean_v angel_n according_a to_o the_o exposition_n of_o saint_n austin_n job._n second_o this_o last_o proposition_n be_v prove_v from_o that_o that_o in_o both_o the_o testament_n the_o 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of_o knowledge_n the_o saint_n do_v know_v our_o prayer_n or_o last_o because_o we_o offer_v injury_n to_o god_n and_o christ_n if_o we_o pray_v to_o any_o other_o then_o to_o he_o alone_o but_o this_o be_v the_o least_o of_o all_o true_a see_v by_o the_o same_o reason_n it_o shall_v not_o be_v lawful_a for_o we_o to_o pray_v to_o the_o live_n that_o they_o will_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o then_o consequent_o saint_n paul_n shall_v have_v be_v most_o injurious_a to_o god_n and_o christ_n in_o pray_v to_o the_o roman_n the_o ephesian_n the_o thessalonian_n the_o colossian_n and_o the_o hebrew_n to_o pray_v for_o he_o to_o god_n therefore_o as_o it_o be_v no_o injury_n but_o a_o honour_n to_o king_n when_o their_o friend_n be_v honour_v and_o ambassador_n be_v send_v to_o they_o even_o so_o here_o there_o be_v no_o injury_n do_v to_o god_n but_o honour_n when_o the_o saint_n of_o god_n be_v honour_v by_o pray_v unto_o they_o not_o as_o to_o god_n but_o as_o to_o the_o friend_n of_o god_n 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the_o 8._o passion_n of_o this_o life_n be_v not_o condign_a to_o the_o glory_n to_o come_v that_o shall_v be_v reveal_v unto_o us._n the_o three_o proposition_n that_o work_n do_v merit_n it_o be_v according_a to_o the_o most_o probable_a opinion_n necessary_o require_v that_o they_o chief_o precede_v from_o actual_o or_o virtual_o charity_n &_o love_n towards_o god_n that_o be_v that_o they_o be_v undertake_v chief_o and_o primative_o for_o the_o honour_n and_o love_n we_o bear_v to_o god_n from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o no_o work_n which_o be_v not_o season_v with_o this_o condition_n of_o charity_n in_o god_n but_o have_v to_o themselves_o only_o peculiar_a and_o less_o principal_a end_n c_o 〈…〉_z merit_n the_o four_o and_o last_o proposition_n which_o be_v implicit_o include_v in_o the_o former_a proposition_n that_o work_n do_v merit_n they_o must_v take_v their_o worth_n and_o dignity_n from_o the_o 〈…〉_z ritis_fw-la of_o our_o saviour_n passion_n and_o from_o thence_o 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to_o his_o work_n beside_o many_o other_o like_o place_n ult._n here_o omit_v three_o from_o those_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n which_o express_v the_o reason_n that_o work_n be_v the_o cause_n why_o eternal_a life_n be_v give_v thus_o we_o read_v 25._o come_v you_o bless_v of_o my_o father_n possess_v the_o kingdom_n prepare_v for_o you_o es_z 〈…〉_z ivi_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o dedisti_fw-la mihi_fw-la manducare_fw-la for_o i_o be_v hungry_a and_o you_o give_v i_o to_o eat_v again_o in_o the_o same_o place_n quia_fw-la in_o pauca_fw-la fuisti_fw-la etc._n etc._n because_o thou_o have_v be_v faithful_a over_o few_o thing_n i_o will_v place_v thou_o over_o many_o thing_n enter_v into_o the_o joy_n of_o thy_o â—ord_n and_o in_o the_o apocalypse_n 7._o these_o be_v they_o which_o be_v come_v out_o of_o great_a tribulation_n etc._n etc._n ideo_fw-la sunt_fw-la ante_fw-la throâ—um_fw-la dei_fw-la therefore_o they_o be_v before_o the_o throne_n of_o god_n in_o all_o which_o place_n the_o 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i_o be_o make_v partaker_n of_o all_o that_o fear_v the_o lord_n now_o this_o former_a doctrine_n touch_v the_o suffering_n of_o one_o to_o be_v apply_v to_o a_o other_o be_v the_o undoubted_a true_a and_o ancient_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n church_n upon_o which_o ground_n indulgance_n be_v build_v it_o from_o hence_o appear_v how_o idle_o and_o impertinent_o our_o adversaries_n do_v urge_v some_o text_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o contrary_a as_o where_o it_o be_v say_v the_o 18._o soul_n which_o sin_v â—â—en_o that_o shall_v die_v and_o again_o 6._o every_o one_o shall_v be_v be_v his_o own_o burden_n and_o more_o no_o 49._o man_n câ—â—_n redeem_v his_o brother_n or_o give_v a_o price_n to_o god_n for_o he_o all_o which_o text_n be_v speak_v of_o the_o state_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n and_o therefore_o impertinent_o allege_v in_o which_o state_n a_o man_n deparâ—eth_v out_o of_o this_o world_n but_o they_o be_v not_o speak_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n only_o which_o be_v 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