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dominum_fw-la crucifixum_fw-la adorare_fw-la iustum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la quidem_fw-la certe_fw-la naturam_fw-la ligni_fw-la etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la memoriam_fw-la &_o picturam_fw-la perpessorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n final_o of_o merit_n he_o say_v thus_o haec_fw-la &_o similia_fw-la sunt_fw-la ob_fw-la quae_fw-la homo_fw-la regno_fw-la coelesti_fw-la dignus_fw-la habetur_fw-la that_o be_v these_o &_o the_o like_a be_v these_o thing_n for_o which_o a_o man_n be_v hold_v worthy_a of_o the_o celestial_a kingdom_n thus_o much_o touch_v the_o abuse_n of_o the_o grecian_a patriarch_n by_o sir_n humphrey_n but_o one_o of_o the_o gross_a error_n that_o i_o find_v commit_v by_o our_o adversary_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o latinist_n or_o romanist_n be_v in_o his_o page_n 234._o where_o he_o have_v these_o word_n other_o as_o namely_o antisiodorensis_n &_o biel_n teach_v that_o neither_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o neither_o be_v we_o to_o pray_v to_o they_o thus_o sir_n humphrey_n 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emperor_n as_o not_o be_v in_o his_o power_n since_o that_o nemo_fw-la that_fw-mi quod_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la but_o only_a a_o declarative_a constitution_n i_o can_v conceive_v why_o our_o adversary_n shall_v have_v corrupt_v this_o author_n except_o it_o be_v to_o exercise_v his_o hand_n especial_o suppose_v it_o be_v a_o thing_n unpossible_a to_o apprehend_v how_o either_o phocas_n or_o any_o other_o man_n or_o angel_n can_v give_v the_o pope_n of_o rome_n his_o supremacy_n which_o be_v that_o in_o this_o passage_n he_o intend_v to_o prove_v by_o confer_v the_o same_o according_a to_o our_o adversary_n relation_n upon_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n and_o so_o i_o leave_v this_o for_o one_o of_o s._n hunfreyes_n unintelligible_a mystery_n of_o his_o reform_a faith_n for_o worship_v of_o image_n s._n hunfrey_n deduce_v the_o pedigree_n of_o the_o romanist_n from_o the_o basilidian_o and_o carpocrationes_n but_o his_o deduction_n be_v false_a &_o for_o it_o he_o false_o cit_v s._n ireneus_fw-la who_o say_v indeed_o those_o fellow_n be_v heretic_n for_o worship_v of_o image_n but_o in_o another_o kind_n far_o different_a from_o the_o honour_n which_o the_o romanist_n use_v towards_o picture_n 23._o vtuntur_fw-la auten_v imaginibus_fw-la &_o incantarionibus_fw-la &_o reliqua_fw-la universa_fw-la pererga_fw-la irenaeus_n l._n 1._o cap._n 23._o and_o he_o express_o condemn_v carpocrates_n as_o plain_o appear_v by_o his_o word_n 24._o imagine_v depictas_fw-la quasdam_fw-la de_fw-la reliqua_fw-la materia_fw-la habent_fw-la fabricaâ—as_fw-la dicentes_fw-la formam_fw-la christi_fw-la factam_fw-la à _fw-la pilato_n illo_fw-la in_o temporequo_fw-la fuit_fw-la jesus_n cum_fw-la hominibus_fw-la &_o have_v coronant_fw-la &_o ponunt_fw-la eas_fw-la cum_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la mundi_fw-la philosophorun_n videlicet_fw-la cum_fw-la imagine_v pythagorae_n &_o platonis_fw-la &_o aristotelis_fw-la &_o reliquem_fw-la &_o reliquorum_fw-la obseruationem_fw-la circa_fw-la eas_fw-la similiter_fw-la ut_fw-la gentes_fw-la faciunt_fw-la iren._n eod_a l._n cap._n 24._o because_o he_o put_v the_o
image_n of_o christ_n among_o the_o image_n of_o gentilicall_a philosopher_n and_o because_o also_o he_o put_v a_o crown_n upon_o it_o and_o worship_v it_o in_o a_o ethnicall_a manner_n and_o not_o according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o christian_n but_o as_o s._n epihanius_n heres_fw-la 27._o explicate_v those_o heretic_n gentilium_fw-la ministeria_fw-la perficiebant_fw-la they_o sacrify_v unto_o all_o those_o image_n to_o wit_n of_o pythagoras_n &_o aristotle_n together_o with_o christ_n image_n after_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o so_o this_o part_n of_o the_o pedigree_n contain_v a_o error_n in_o in_o heraldry_n and_o prove_v no_o true_a descent_n in_o the_o next_o passage_n which_o be_v about_o the_o communion_n in_o both_o kind_n pope_n leo_n tell_v we_o say_v the_o knight_n that_o the_o manicheis_n a_o sort_n of_o heretic_n in_o his_o time_n use_v the_o sacrament_n in_o one_o kind_n videlicet_fw-la in_o bread_n only_o quad_n cum_fw-la ad_fw-la tegendam_fw-la infidelitatem_fw-la svam_fw-la videlicet_fw-la manichei_n nostris_fw-la audeant_fw-la inesse_fw-la mysterijs_fw-la ita_fw-la in_o sacramentorum_fw-la communione_fw-la se_fw-la temperant_fw-la ut_fw-la tutius_fw-la lateant_fw-la over_o indigno_fw-la christi_fw-la corpus_fw-la accipiunt_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la autem_fw-la redemptionis_fw-la nostrae_fw-la omnino_fw-la haurire_fw-la declinant_fw-la leo_fw-la ser_n 4._o in_o quad_n it_o be_v true_a s._n leo_n say_v so_o but_o he_o do_v not_o condemn_v they_o for_o heretic_n for_o that_o reason_n but_o be_v cause_n they_o abstain_v from_o wine_n as_o from_o a_o unclean_a creature_n and_o because_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o christ_n have_v blood_n in_o in_o his_o body_n and_o so_o that_o which_o pope_n leo_n do_v when_o he_o give_v command_v that_o those_o shall_v be_v diligent_o observe_v who_o usual_o receive_v but_o in_o one_o kind_n be_v do_v purposely_o for_o discovery_n of_o the_o manicheis_n who_o crasty_o to_o conceal_v their_o heresy_n touch_v the_o truth_n of_o christ_n humanity_n communicate_v with_o the_o catholic_n dissemble_o the_o custom_n of_o that_o time_n be_v to_o communicate_v sometime_o in_o one_o kind_a and_o in_o both_o as_o now_o the_o grecian_n practice_n and_o therefore_o that_o holy_a pope_n do_v discrete_o command_v those_o shall_v be_v diligent_o observe_v who_o in_o all_o occasion_n do_v use_v to_o receive_v under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n only_o hold_v that_o for_o a_o evident_a argument_n of_o their_o abor_v of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n by_o which_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o even_o that_o same_o time_n the_o communion_n be_v lawful_o use_v by_o some_o in_o one_o kind_n otherwise_o s._n leo_n need_v not_o to_o have_v use_v any_o great_a diligence_n for_o the_o dicoverie_n of_o the_o manicheis_n in_o regard_n that_o if_o all_o general_o have_v be_v obledge_v to_o communicate_v in_o both_o the_o manicheis_n who_o frequent_v the_o communion_n will_v have_v be_v discover_v at_o the_o first_o by_o their_o abstain_v from_o the_o chalice_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n the_o knight_n abuse_v bell_n toutouching_a a_o proof_n of_o his_o take_v from_o the_o example_n of_o the_o nazarite_n as_o if_o he_o have_v derive_v whole_o or_o chief_o the_o communion_n of_o one_o species_n or_o kind_n from_o the_o practice_n of_o their_o communion_n whereas_o he_o do_v not_o so_o but_o have_v by_o other_o argument_n of_o scripture_n father_n counsel_n and_o reason_n sufficient_o establish_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n in_o that_o particular_a he_o bring_v that_o of_o the_o nazarite_n only_o as_o a_o confirmation_n of_o the_o same_o last_o the_o knight_n conclude_v this_o point_n with_o those_o word_n of_o s._n luke_n drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o whereby_o he_o will_v prove_v that_o the_o communion_n in_o both_o kind_n come_v from_o christ_n and_o so_o it_o do_v indeed_o but_o not_o by_o precept_n give_v to_o all_o in_o general_a but_o only_o to_o those_o then_o present_a and_o to_o those_o who_o they_o represent_v as_o to_o be_v their_o successor_n that_o be_v the_o apostle_n and_o all_o priest_n after_o they_o but_o not_o to_o any_o puritan_n or_o puritannicall_a minister_n as_o not_o have_v from_o they_o any_o true_a succession_n after_o these_o passage_n sir_n humphrey_n proceed_v to_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n the_o founder_n of_o which_o he_o affirm_v to_o have_v be_v the_o heretic_n call_v angelici_fw-la and_o for_o this_o cit_v saint_n augustine_n ad_fw-la quod_fw-la vult_fw-la deum_fw-la but_o this_o be_v idle_a for_o the_o angelicall_n be_v heretic_n not_o for_o the_o invocation_n of_o angel_n but_o either_o for_o that_o they_o hold_v they_o to_o have_v be_v creator_n of_o the_o world_n or_o in_o regard_n they_o use_v to_o boast_v of_o their_o own_o angelical_a manner_n of_o life_n or_o because_o as_o saint_n augustin_n testify_v they_o be_v so_o addict_v to_o adore_v angel_n 29._o erant_fw-la in_o angelorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la inclinati_fw-la quos_fw-la epiphanius_n iam_fw-la omnino_fw-la defecisse_fw-la testatur_fw-la aug._n haeres_fw-la 29._o that_o they_o do_v use_v to_o worship_v they_o with_o latria_fw-la or_o divine_a honour_n all_o which_o kind_n of_o adoration_n the_o romanist_n with_o the_o same_o saint_n augustin_n give_v to_o one_o only_a god_n and_o so_o the_o knight_n do_v pervert_v the_o truth_n and_o abuse_v s._n augustine_n who_o in_o his_o 61._o q._n upon_o the_o genes_n explicate_v that_o passage_n of_o apocalips_n 19_o in_o which_o the_o angel_n prohibit_v s._n john_n to_o adore_v he_o say_v neither_o let_v it_o move_v the_o that_o in_o a_o certain_a place_n of_o scripture_n the_o angel_n do_v prohibit_v a_o man_n to_o adore_v he_o and_o do_v admonish_v he_o that_o he_o rather_o adore_v god_n for_o the_o angel_n do_v so_o appear_v that_o he_o may_v have_v adore_v he_o for_o god_n and_o therefore_o say_v s._n aug._n the_o adorer_n be_v ro_o be_v correct_v by_o which_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o when_o s._n augustin_n teach_v that_o the_o angelici_fw-la be_v heretic_n because_o they_o be_v incline_v to_o adore_v angel_n he_o mean_v because_o they_o adore_v they_o with_o divine_a honour_n and_o not_o because_o they_o give_v that_o due_a inferior_a worship_n unto_o they_o which_o the_o romanist_n use_n for_o work_n of_o merit_n and_o supererogation_n he_o produce_v for_o author_n the_o heretic_n name_v cathari_n and_o puritan_n but_o the_o heresy_n of_o these_o sectary_n be_v far_o different_a from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o romanist_n touch_v these_o two_o point_n nay_o they_o be_v never_o defender_n of_o either_o merit_n or_o work_n of_o supererogation_n that_o ever_o i_o read_v but_o that_o for_o which_o they_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v chief_o for_o their_o defence_n of_o the_o error_n of_o novatus_fw-la and_o particularelie_o for_o deny_v remission_n of_o sin_n and_o the_o authoririe_a of_o the_o key_n in_o the_o church_n and_o for_o that_o they_o affirm_v their_o own_o pretend_a purity_n to_o be_v above_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o not_o contain_v in_o it_o but_o far_o exceed_v it_o and_o therefore_o they_o be_v call_v cathari_n that_o be_v pure_a one_o cathari_n qui_fw-la seipsos_fw-la isto_fw-la nomine_fw-la propter_fw-la munditiam_fw-la superbissime_fw-la atque_fw-la odiosissime_fw-la nominant_fw-la secundas_n nuptias_fw-la non_fw-la admittunt_fw-la paenitentiam_fw-la denegant_fw-la novatum_fw-la sectantes_fw-la haereticum_fw-la unde_fw-la etiam_fw-la novatiani_n appellantur_fw-la s._n aug._n haeres_fw-la 38._o and_o s._n isidor_n in_o the_o very_a place_n cite_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n say_v of_o they_o that_o they_o name_v themselves_o cathari_n for_o their_o purity_n for_o glory_v say_v he_o in_o their_o merit_n they_o deny_v penance_n etc._n etc._n and_o so_o it_o appear_v by_o this_o that_o the_o knight_n belie_v saint_n isidor_n in_o two_o respect_n because_o he_o quote_v he_o lib._n 8._o cap._n de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la christian_n as_o if_o he_o do_v testify_v that_o these_o heretic_n be_v the_o first_o author_n of_o doctrine_n of_o merit_n and_o work_n of_o supererogation_n whereas_o s._n isidor_n have_v neither_o the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o nor_o yet_o make_v any_o mention_n in_o that_o place_n of_o work_n of_o supererogation_n and_o so_o according_a to_o this_o let_v our_o puritan_n of_o england_n and_o sir_n humphrey_n himself_o as_o none_o of_o the_o least_o of_o they_o examen_fw-la their_o conscience_n well_o and_o doubtless_o they_o will_v find_v themselves_o to_o have_v far_o more_o affinity_n with_o the_o foresay_a fellow_n then_o the_o romanist_n who_o both_o grant_n remission_n of_o sin_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a key_n and_o also_o deny_v and_o renounce_v all_o such_o purity_n of_o spirit_n as_o the_o puritan_n pretend_v he_o add_v for_o conclusion_n the_o worship_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n marie_n to_o have_v be_v the_o heresy_n of_o the_o collyridian_n 25._o quaedam_fw-la mulieres_fw-la currum_fw-la quendam_fw-la sive_fw-la sellam_fw-la quadratam_fw-la
quae_fw-la non_fw-la debetur_fw-la praecedit_fw-la ut_fw-la fiant_fw-la to_o which_o may_v be_v add_v the_o counsel_n of_o lateran_n sub_fw-la inno._n 3._o cap._n firmiter_fw-la the_o florent_fw-la decreto_fw-la de_fw-la purgatorio_fw-la and_o the_o late_a council_n of_o trent_n which_o all_o teach_v the_o same_o doctrine_n of_o merit_n as_o our_o adversary_n can_v deny_v to_o which_o also_o may_v be_v join_v all_o those_o be_v testimony_n of_o ancient_a father_n who_o teach_v that_o faith_n only_o do_v not_o justify_v nor_o be_v sufficient_a to_o salvation_n by_o all_o which_o its_o manifest_o convince_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n can_v not_o be_v open_o protest_v against_o both_o before_o and_o after_o the_o conquest_n by_o the_o priest_n and_o professor_n of_o england_n except_o sir_n humphrey_n will_v persuade_v we_o that_o the_o faith_n of_o england_n in_o those_o time_n be_v different_a from_o the_o faith_n of_o all_o the_o world_n beside_o and_o even_o of_o those_o who_o direct_o send_v preacher_n for_o the_o conversion_n of_o it_o from_o gentilism_n and_o superstition_n all_o which_o be_v whole_o incredible_a so_o by_o necessary_a consequence_n be_v the_o whole_a discourse_n ground_v thereupon_o second_o i_o answer_v that_o its_o manifest_a out_o of_o the_o word_n cite_v by_o the_o knight_n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o the_o form_n of_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n use_v in_o those_o time_n suppose_v the_o book_n be_v authentical_a which_o nevertheless_o may_v be_v suspect_v as_o be_v be_v only_o produce_v by_o cassander_n a_o suspect_a author_n there_o be_v not_o any_o word_n sentence_n or_o syllable_n which_o exclude_v from_o salvation_n those_o merit_n which_o the_o roman_a church_n defend_v but_o only_o such_o merit_n as_o either_o exclude_v presse_o exclude_v the_o merit_n of_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n and_o therefore_o the_o question_n which_o according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o that_o directory_n the_o priest_n make_v 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which_o the_o church_n do_v both_o then_o hold_v &_o now_o hould_v to_o betrue_a sacrament_n but_o at_o the_o most_o he_o only_o deny_v the_o truth_n &_o property_n of_o it_o in_o that_o strict_a &_o univocal_a manner_n of_o confer_v iustificant_fw-la grace_z as_o he_o and_o other_o divine_n affirm_v of_o the_o rest_n which_o be_v so_o then_o can_v the_o reformer_n have_v any_o colour_n to_o allege_v this_o testimony_n either_o against_o the_o absolute_a truth_n of_o that_o sacrament_n or_o against_o the_o septenarie_a number_n of_o it_o with_o the_o other_o nay_o more_o than_o this_o have_v now_o exactelie_o examine_v the_o matter_n i_o find_v that_o durand_n beside_o that_o he_o expresselie_o defend_v the_o total_a number_n of_o seven_o sacrament_n dispute_v severallie_o of_o the_o nature_n of_o every_o one_o of_o they_o he_o do_v in_o particular_a affirm_v of_o matrimony_n even_o in_o his_o resolution_n or_o direct_v anser_fw-la to_o the_o question_n absolute_o that_o it_o be_v a_o sacrament_n and_o put_v it_o in_o the_o last_o place_n for_o one_o of_o the_o seven_o and_o these_o be_v his_o word_n in_o their_o several_a place_n note_v in_o the_o margin_n 3._o tenendun_v est_fw-fr absolute_a quod_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la quia_fw-la hoc_fw-la determinavit_fw-la eccle._n in_o 4._o d._n 26._o q._n 3._o 6._o et_fw-la ita_fw-la sunt_fw-la inuniverso_fw-la septem_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la idem_fw-la d._n 2._o q._n 2._o n._n 6._o to_o which_o if_o we_o add_v that_o which_o capreolus_n do_v testify_v of_o the_o same_o durand_n all_o doubt_n of_o his_o true_a meaning_n in_o this_o point_n will_v quite_o vanish_v away_o §._o coactus_fw-la fuit_fw-la in_o ultimo_fw-la opere_fw-la cautius_fw-la loqui_fw-la ut_fw-la scilicet_fw-la confiteretur_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la esse_fw-la veer_fw-la &_o proprie_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la univoce_fw-la cum_fw-la alijs_fw-la novae_fw-la legis_fw-la sacramentis_fw-la etc._n etc._n capreolus_n in_o 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convincement_n of_o luther_n 6._o pag._n 6._o and_o the_o marginal_a note_n of_o that_o place_n be_v yet_o more_o false_a than_o the_o text_n say_v that_o the_o adversary_n of_o luther_n prove_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n by_o common_a reason_n only_o and_o as_o for_o eckius_fw-la i_o have_v read_v his_o whole_a treatise_n of_o indulgence_n &_o so_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o found_v they_o not_o upon_o the_o pope_n autheritie_n either_o only_a or_o chief_o but_o principal_o upon_o scripture_n for_o so_o he_o say_v page_n 313._o indulgentiarum_fw-la figurae_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la jubilei_fw-la in_o veteri_fw-la testamento_fw-la de_fw-fr his_fw-la sumus_fw-la contenti_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la habeamus_fw-la solidum_fw-la s._n paulâ—_n fundamentum_fw-la ne_fw-la credamur_fw-la diligentiores_fw-la in_o lucrosa_fw-la porro_fw-la etc._n etc._n 2._o 2._o cor._n 2._o and_o to_o the_o sense_n of_o these_o author_n may_v be_v reduce_v that_o which_o cunerus_n say_v of_o the_o doubtful_a 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defective_a citation_n of_o his_o word_n secondlie_o he_o false_o affirm_v that_o s._n greg._n give_v the_o first_o credo_fw-la to_o purgatory_n &_o that_o he_o learn_v it_o by_o revelation_n insinuate_v also_o that_o the_o roman_a church_n ground_v the_o faith_n of_o purgatory_n upon_o the_o spirit_n &_o apparition_n of_o dead_a man_n which_o be_v all_o false_a &_o calumnious_a for_o that_o neither_o s._n gregory_n nor_o any_o other_o romanist_n ever_o found_v any_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n upon_o such_o ground_n but_o only_o at_o the_o most_o use_v they_o for_o confirmation_n &_o illustration_n of_o those_o argument_n which_o be_v found_v in_o scripture_n for_o that_o purpose_n as_o their_o writing_n make_v manifest_a and_o that_o s._n gregory_n be_v not_o the_o first_o establish_v or_o give_v the_o first_o credo_fw-la as_o the_o knight_n speak_v to_o purgatory_n it_o be_v manifest_o convince_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o such_o father_n as_o live_v long_o before_o he_o &_o make_v express_a mention_n of_o it_o and_o to_o omit_v other_o yet_o more_o ancient_a s._n gregory_n nyssen_n in_o his_o oration_n of_o the_o dead_a have_v these_o plain_a word_n non_fw-la poterit_fw-la à _fw-la corpore_fw-la egressus_fw-la divinitatis_fw-la particeps_fw-la fieri_fw-la nisi_fw-la maculas_fw-la animo_fw-la immixtas_fw-la purgatorius_fw-la ignis_fw-la abstulerit_fw-la the_o depart_v can_v not_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o divinity_n unless_o purgatory_n fire_n take_v away_o the_o spot_n reside_v in_o his_o soul_n add_v after_o word_n alijs_fw-la post_fw-la hanc_fw-la vitam_fw-la purgatorio_fw-la igne_fw-la materiae_fw-la labes_fw-la abstergentibus_fw-la other_o cleanse_v after_o this_o life_n the_o corruption_n of_o the_o matter_n with_o purgatory_n fire_n i_o indeed_o find_v these_o word_n smat_v different_a in_o a_o other_o translation_n as_o also_o the_o word_n of_o a_o other_o pregnant_a place_n of_o the_o same_o author_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n in_o his_o precedent_a page_n about_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o oration_n but_o the_o sense_n be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o place_n &_o version_n s._n austin_n also_o in_o the_o 16._o of_o his_o 50._o homily_n say_v thus_o qui_fw-la temporalibus_fw-la paenis_fw-la digna_fw-la gesserunt_fw-la per_fw-la ignem_fw-la quendam_fw-la purgatorium_fw-la transibunt_fw-la de_fw-la quo_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ait_fw-la saluus_fw-la erit_fw-la sic_fw-la tamen_fw-la quasi_fw-la per_fw-la ignem_fw-la those_o who_o have_v do_v thing_n deserve_v temporal_a pain_n shall_v pass_v by_o a_o certain_a purgatory_n fire_n of_o which_o the_o apostle_n say_v he_o shall_v be_v save_v yet_o so_o as_o it_o be_v by_o fire_n so_o that_o all_o this_o which_o the_o knight_n utter_v of_o s._n gregory_n be_v frivolous_a &_o untrue_a as_o these_o testimony_n convince_v only_o one_o place_n which_o sir_n humphrey_n cit_v out_o of_o s._n augustin_n carry_v some_o more_o appearance_n than_o the_o rest_n where_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr vanitate_fw-la saeculi_fw-la the_o first_o chapter_n he_o say_v thus_o know_v that_o when_o the_o soul_n be_v separate_v from_o the_o body_n present_o it_o be_v either_o place_v in_o paradise_n for_o it_o good_a work_n or_o cast_v headlong_o in_o to_o the_o bottom_n of_o hell_n for_o it_o sin_n to_o which_o i_o say_v first_o that_o book_n attribute_v to_o saint_n austin_n be_v not_o find_v in_o the_o index_n of_o his_o several_a work_n collect_v by_o possidonius_fw-la nor_o cite_v by_o beda_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o apostle_n of_o s._n paul_n consist_v of_o the_o sentence_n of_o s._n aug._n wherefore_o it_o be_v note_v by_o bellar._n the_o scrip_n eccles_n not_o to_o be_v his_o yet_o because_o it_o be_v print_v among_o his_o work_n &_o perhaps_o compose_v by_o some_o ancient_a author_n i_o answer_v secondlie_o that_o suppose_v it_o be_v his_o work_n yet_o s._n augustin_n speak_v only_o of_o those_o that_o either_o die_v in_o mortal_a sin_n or_o of_o those_o that_o die_v quite_o free_a from_o
be_v idolatry_n sir_n humphrey_n do_v most_o shameful_o calumniate_v gregorius_n de_fw-fr valentia_n affirm_v he_o to_o maintain_v that_o there_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o lawful_a idolatry_n whereas_o the_o foresay_a learned_a divine_a only_o say_v that_o a_o man_n may_v not_o obscure_o gather_v out_o of_o s._n peter_n word_n in_o his_o first_o epistle_n chapter_n 34._o vers_fw-la 3._o that_o he_o insinuate_v that_o some_o worship_n of_o image_n to_o wit_n of_o sacred_a image_n be_v lawful_a &_o reight_fw-mi by_o reason_n that_o saint_n peter_n speak_v against_o idolatry_n he_o call_v it_o not_o absolute_o worship_v of_o image_n but_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o image_n illicitos_fw-la simulacrorum_fw-la cultus_fw-la which_o discourse_n of_o valentia_n how_o well_o ground_v it_o may_v seem_v i_o will_v not_o dispute_v but_o this_o i_o assure_v myself_o that_o defence_n of_o idolatry_n be_v so_o far_o from_o the_o thought_n of_o that_o pious_a man_n as_o plain_o appear_v by_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o doctrine_n even_o in_o the_o place_n cite_v that_o if_o sir_n humphrey_n either_o have_v not_o be_v very_o full_a of_o corrupt_a meaning_n or_o have_v not_o have_v great_a want_n of_o matter_n for_o the_o finish_n of_o his_o false_a deal_n in_o this_o section_n &_o for_o his_o last_o plaudite_n there_o in_o he_o will_v not_o have_v have_v the_o face_n to_o abuse_v so_o much_o the_o innocence_n of_o so_o sincere_a a_o writer_n especial_o consider_v that_o although_o valentia_n have_v commit_v such_o a_o gross_a error_n as_o to_o defend_v some_o kind_n of_o idolatry_n to_o be_v lawful_a yet_o have_v his_o error_n be_v wholelie_o impertinent_a to_o prove_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o romish_a faith_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o honour_n of_o image_n which_o be_v the_o point_n here_o in_o controversy_n of_o which_o valentia_n be_v know_v not_o to_o have_v ever_o doubt_v in_o any_o part_n of_o his_o work_n whatsoever_o orhe_a absurdity_n he_o may_v be_v suppose_v to_o have_v teach_v in_o that_o matter_n it_o can_v not_o argue_v any_o disagreement_n from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o romanist_n in_o this_o particular_a the_o knight_n also_o citete_v bellarmin_n &_o canus_n but_o i_o have_v before_o sufficient_o declare_v their_o meaning_n in_o a_o other_o occasion_n and_o as_o for_o canus_n he_o by_o labour_v to_o establish_v his_o own_o singular_a opinion_n that_o matrimony_n be_v no_o sacrament_n but_o only_o a_o civil_a contract_n except_o it_o be_v celebrate_v by_o a_o priest_n with_o sacred_a &_o solemn_a word_n as_o he_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a minister_n only_o allege_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o divine_n touch_v the_o determinate_a matter_n &_o form_n of_o that_o sacrament_n and_o about_o the_o manner_n how_o it_o give_v grace_n or_o rather_o when_o it_o give_v grace_n &_o when_o it_o do_v not_o by_o reason_n he_o hold_v it_o uncertain_a among_o divine_n whether_o it_o be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o not_o except_o in_o those_o case_n in_o which_o it_o be_v celebrate_v by_o the_o priest_n &_o by_o consequence_n he_o hold_v it_o uncertain_a among_o divine_n whether_o in_o those_o occasion_n it_o confer_v grace_n to_o the_o receiver_n which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v for_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n nor_o yet_o more_o than_o the_o more_o common_a opinion_n 5._o si_fw-mi hoc_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la inquam_fw-la argumententur_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la tunc_fw-la catholicus_n respondeat_fw-la fidenter_fw-la animose_n defendat_fw-la secure_a contra_fw-la pugnet_fw-la canus_n l._n 8._o c._n 5._o &_o therefore_o he_o say_v nego_fw-la scholae_fw-la certo_fw-la constantique_fw-la decreto_fw-la definitum_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la sine_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ministro_fw-la contractum_fw-la esse_fw-la veer_fw-la &_o proprie_fw-la sacrnmeneum_fw-la nego_fw-la eam_fw-la rem_fw-la ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o religionem_fw-la pertinere_fw-la yet_o notwithstanding_o all_o divine_v agree_v &_o canus_n with_o they_o that_o matrimony_n be_v true_o one_o of_o the_o seven_o sacrament_n &_o consequent_o that_o which_o canus_n say_v in_o the_o place_n cite_v be_v not_o for_o the_o knight_n purpose_n and_o so_o now_o i_o will_v end_v this_o section_n in_o which_o our_o adversary_n in_o steed_n of_o prove_v the_o infallible_a certainty_n of_o the_o reform_a faith_n as_o he_o promise_v in_o the_o beginning_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o unfaithful_a proceed_n he_o have_v lose_v all_o certainty_n of_o his_o own_o humane_a faith_n for_o which_o he_o deserve_v a_o most_o rigorous_a censure_n the_o x._o period_n this_o period_n shall_v contain_v the_o eleven_o section_n of_o the_o knight_n book_n in_o which_o he_o indevore_v to_o prove_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o his_o adversary_n that_o there_o be_v great_a benefit_n comfort_n &_o safety_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o his_o faith_n then_o in_o the_o romish_a and_o this_o his_o task_n he_o begin_v with_o great_a gravity_n say_v that_o he_o proceed_v from_o the_o certain_a way_n to_o the_o safe_a way_n against_o which_o position_n nevertheless_o if_o one_o be_v dispose_v to_o proceed_v according_a to_o rigour_n of_o philosophy_n he_o may_v easy_o demonstrate_v a_o plain_a impossibility_n in_o it_o by_o a_o argument_n ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la for_o if_o as_o sir_n humphrey_n hold_v there_o be_v no_o certainty_n in_o the_o romish_a faith_n &_o way_n &_o that_o all_o the_o certainty_n be_v in_o his_o own_o as_o he_o hitherto_o have_v labour_v to_o show_v then_o can_v he_o not_o true_o say_v that_o his_o way_n be_v the_o safe_a way_n for_o that_o the_o word_n safe_o involu_v a_o comparison_n between_o two_o which_o be_v both_o safe_a because_o a_o comparison_n as_o philosophy_n teach_v can_v be_v but_o betwixt_o thing_n of_o the_o same_o common_a nature_n comparatio_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la nisi_fw-la inter_fw-la resciusdem_fw-la generis_fw-la wherefore_o since_o that_o according_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o sir_n humphrey_n there_o be_v neither_o certainty_n nor_o safety_n in_o the_o romish_a faith_n &_o yet_o that_o as_o he_o suppose_v they_o be_v both_o in_o his_o own_o it_o be_v consequent_a that_o although_o it_o be_v a_o safe_a way_n yet_o upon_o his_o supposition_n it_o can_v possible_o be_v true_o call_v either_o a_o safe_a way_n or_o of_o more_o comfort_n &_o benefit_n then_o the_o romish_a way_n to_o say_v nothing_o of_o our_o knight_n presumption_n &_o folly_n in_o offer_v to_o call_v that_o a_o more_o safe_a more_o comfortable_a &_o more_o profitable_a way_n to_o the_o soul_n which_o as_o yet_o he_o have_v not_o show_v with_o any_o probability_n either_o before_o or_o now_o in_o this_o section_n to_o have_v any_o one_o of_o those_o attribute_n in_o it_o but_o have_v be_v rather_o by_o i_o already_o convince_v to_o be_v void_a of_o they_o all_o ad_fw-la although_o this_o general_a ansere_fw-la may_v serve_v for_o all_o sir_n humphrey_n bring_v in_o this_o place_n as_o be_v in_o substance_n but_o a_o new_a 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the_o new_a testament_n to_o observe_v chastity_n every_o day_n because_o they_o every_o day_n offer_v sacrifice_n â—…c_n hier._n â—_o do_fw-mi â—…os_fw-la l._n â—…fi_n c._n â—…_n veâ—…_n â—…_n â—…_n ca._n â—…c_n and_o therefore_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v most_o religious_o ordain_v the_o law_n of_o perpetual_a chastity_n of_o priest_n for_o that_o although_o perhaps_o it_o may_v seem_v more_o safe_a for_o some_o particular_a person_n to_o marry_v suppose_v their_o negligence_n &_o frailty_n in_o that_o nature_n &_o abstract_v from_o a_o vow_n already_o make_v &_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n in_o that_o particular_a yet_o allthing_n consider_v &_o for_o as_o much_o as_o even_o the_o most_o incline_v to_o vice_n may_v live_v chaste_a with_o god_n grace_n if_o they_o will_v make_v use_n of_o his_o gift_n &_o of_o such_o mean_n as_o the_o
the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n every_o word_n may_v stand_v and_o so_o suppose_v it_o be_v true_a that_o s._n chrysostome_n say_v just_a that_o which_o sir_n humphrey_n will_v have_v he_o yet_o be_v not_o one_o testimony_n enough_o to_o convince_v a_o adversary_n thus_o much_o i_o say_v for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o point_n of_o controversy_n itself_o of_o the_o all_o sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n but_o because_o the_o knight_n may_v say_v this_o be_v not_o that_o which_o he_o intend_v direct_o in_o this_o place_n but_o only_o to_o convince_v that_o bellarmin_n have_v elude_v the_o foresay_a testimony_n therefore_o i_o answer_v secondlie_o that_o sir_n humphrey_n need_v not_o to_o have_v go_v to_o bellarmin_n chronologie_n for_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o foresay_a work_n for_o he_o may_v have_v find_v it_o more_o plain_o censure_v before_o in_o his_o controversy_n as_o appear_v lib._n 4._o de_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la scripto_fw-la the_o 11._o chapter_n where_o the_o cardinal_n have_v these_o word_n but_o this_o testimony_n be_v not_o of_o chrysostome_n but_o of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a who_o be_v either_o a_o arian_n or_o certain_o his_o book_n be_v corrupt_v by_o the_o arian_n in_o many_o place_n thus_o bellarmin_n show_v the_o corruption_n by_o two_o several_a instance_n take_v out_o of_o the_o work_n itself_o where_o he_o speak_v against_o the_o homousian_o that_o be_v against_o the_o christian_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n to_o which_o he_o give_v that_o name_n because_o they_o defend_v &_o believe_v the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o eternal_a son_n with_o his_o father_n &_o yet_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o saint_n chrysostome_n never_o either_o write_v or_o speak_v against_o the_o homousian_o as_o be_v one_o of_o they_o himself_o &_o a_o profess_a enemy_n to_o their_o adversary_n the_o arian_n and_o hence_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o bellarmin_n have_v reason_n to_o censure_v that_o work_n &_o 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answer_n according_a to_o sir_n humfreys_n relation_n be_v that_o peradventure_o it_o be_v none_o of_o augustin_n that_o sentence_n the_o honest_a knight_n as_o if_o bellarmin_n be_v all_o the_o romanist_n that_o ever_o write_v or_o speak_v make_v a_o general_a interrogatory_n say_v what_o say_v the_o romanist_n to_o this_o as_o if_o that_o which_o one_o only_a private_a man_n speak_v in_o a_o private_a matter_n be_v to_o be_v account_v the_o voice_n of_o all_o man_n of_o his_o profession_n and_o yet_o bellarmin_n do_v not_o only_o add_v more_o in_o his_o ansere_fw-la yea_o &_o much_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n which_o not_o withstand_v our_o brave_a sir_n sycophant_n very_o sly_o omittes_fw-la viz._n that_o he_o can_v not_o find_v those_o word_n in_o s._n augustin_n but_o also_o add_v three_o other_o principal_a anseres_fw-la to_o the_o same_o objection_n and_o so_o it_o appear_v that_o instead_o of_o proof_n that_o bellarmin_n elude_v the_o record_n of_o s._n augustin_n the_o 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be_v that_o our_o irreligious_a adversary_n intend_v chief_o to_o diminish_v in_o this_o occasion_n it_o be_v most_o apparent_a that_o s._n augustin_n strong_o maintain_v it_o in_o his_o second_o of_o baptism_n cap._n 1._o say_v quis_fw-la nesciat_fw-la illum_fw-la apostolatus_fw-la petri_n principatum_fw-la cuilibet_fw-la episcopatui_fw-la esse_fw-la praeferendum_fw-la that_o be_v who_o can_v be_v ignorant_a that_o principality_n or_o soveraintie_n of_o peter_n apostolate_a be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o any_o episcopate_n or_o bishopric_n and_o in_o his_o 15._o sermon_n of_o the_o saint_n he_o speak_v yet_o more_o plain_a to_o this_o purpose_n affirm_v that_o our_o saviour_n do_v nominate_v s._n peter_n for_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n &_o ideo_fw-la digne_fw-fr fundamentum_fw-la hoc_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la colit_fw-la supra_fw-la quod_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la officij_fw-la altitudo_fw-la consurgit_fw-la and_o therefore_o say_v s._n augustin_n the_o church_n deserve_o honour_v this_o
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as_o a_o false_a &_o erroneous_a path_n by_o all_o those_o that_o tender_v the_o safety_n of_o their_o soul_n &_o eternal_a salvation_n and_o thus_o have_v now_o resolve_v the_o man_n into_o his_o principle_n or_o prime_a matter_n i_o mean_v into_o the_o dust_n &_o ash_n which_o he_o cast_v in_o his_o reader_n eye_n &_o have_v pass_v throu_fw-fr '_o all_n the_o passage_n of_o his_o imaginary_a safe_a way_n i_o have_v find_v it_o &_o show_v it_o to_o be_v no_o way_n at_o all_o but_o a_o intricate_a diverticle_n or_o obscure_a path_n lead_v poor_a distress_a traveller_n quite_o out_o of_o the_o true_a royal_a street_n with_o a_o impossibilite_n ever_o to_o come_v to_o the_o end_n of_o their_o journey_n that_o be_v to_o the_o true_a ancient_a catholic_a faith_n which_o faith_n although_o the_o knight_n both_o in_o the_o title_n of_o his_o book_n &_o in_o diverse_a other_o place_n of_o it_o have_v serious_o promise_v to_o show_v it_o to_o be_v the_o same_o which_o be_v now_o profess_a in_o 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in_o the_o mind_n of_o many_o &_o especial_o the_o more_o unlearned_a sort_n of_o people_n although_o in_o very_a truth_n in_o itself_o it_o contain_v nothing_o worth_a the_o labour_n of_o a_o scholar_n i_o do_v now_o advertice_fw-la they_o as_o they_o esteem_v the_o safety_n of_o their_o soul_n to_o beware_v of_o it_o as_o of_o a_o shop_n of_o most_o deceitelie_o &_o poisonous_a drug_n of_o which_o they_o can_v not_o safety_n taste_v without_o a_o antidote_n i_o mean_v the_o illiterate_a or_o unexperienced_a person_n in_o this_o kind_n of_o study_n can_v not_o secure_o read_v the_o the_o book_n except_o with_o all_o they_o view_v the_o adverse_a part_n &_o so_o by_o detection_n of_o the_o author_n fraud_n &_o coun_a deceit_n they_o behold_v the_o truth_n discover_v which_o otherwise_o as_o be_v most_o subtle_o involue_v &_o mix_v by_o he_o with_o abundance_n of_o plausible_a untruth_n equivocation_n false_a supposition_n &_o sophism_n can_v hardly_o be_v find_v out_o even_o by_o 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than_o he_o will_v willing_o hear_v i_o earnest_o entreat_v he_o to_o account_v they_o not_o as_o speak_v against_o his_o person_n but_o precise_o as_o he_o be_v infect_v with_o the_o spiritual_a plague_n of_o schism_n &_o heresy_n and_o as_o who_o conversion_n to_o the_o most_o universal_o flourish_v church_n a_o faith_n notobstand_v whatsoever_o word_n have_v pass_v in_o heat_n of_o disputation_n i_o earneste_o desire_v &_o pray_v for_o and_o with_o this_o desire_n &_o affection_n i_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o infinite_a goodness_n &_o mercy_n of_o allmightie_a god_n the_o romanist_n agree_v with_o s._n avgustin_n in_o the_o division_n of_o the_o commandment_n in_o his_o 71._o question_n upon_o the_o book_n of_o exodus_fw-la and_o in_o his_o 119._o epistle_n to_o januarius_n he_o divide_v they_o in_o this_o manner_n 1._o thou_o shall_v have_v no_o other_o god_n but_o i_o 2_o thou_o shall_v not_o take_v the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o vain_a 3._o thou_o shall_v sanctify_v the_o sabbath_n 4._o honour_n thy_o father_n &_o thy_o mother_n 5._o thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v 6._o thou_o shall_v not_o commit_v adultery_n 7._o thou_o shall_v not_o steal_v 8._o thou_o shall_v not_o bear_v false_a witness_n against_o thy_o neighbour_n 9_o thou_o shall_v not_o desire_v thy_o neighbour_n wife_n 10._o thou_o shall_v not_o desire_v any_o of_o thy_o neighbour_n good_n the_o romanist_n in_o their_o brief_a catechism_n for_o child_n common_o rehearse_v they_o thus_o 1._o thou_o shall_v have_v no_o other_o god_n but_o i_o 2._o thou_o shall_v not_o take_v the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o vain_a 3._o remember_v to_o sanctify_v the_o sabbaoth_n day_n 4._o honore_n thy_o ffather_n &_o thy_o mother_n 5._o thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v 6._o thou_o shall_v not_o commit_v adultery_n 7._o thou_o shall_v not_o steal_v 8._o thou_o shall_v not_o bear_v false_a witness_n against_o thy_o neighbour_n 9_o thou_o shall_v not_o desire_v thy_o neighbour_n wife_n 10._o shall_v not_o desire_v thy_o neighbour_n good_n the_o misreformer_n division_n of_o the_o commandment_n be_v this_o thou_o shall_v have_v no_o other_o god_n but_o i_o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n thou_o shall_v not_o take_v the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n thy_o god_n in_o vain_a etc._n etc._n remember_v that_o thou_o keep_v holy_a the_o sabbath_n day_n etc._n etc._n honour_n thy_o father_n &_o thy_o mother_n etc._n etc._n thou_o shall_v do_v no_o murder_n thou_o shall_v not_o commit_v adultery_n thou_o shall_v not_o steal_v thou_o shall_v not_o bear_v false_a witness_n against_o thy_o neighbour_n thou_o shall_v shall_v not_o covet_v thy_o neighbour_n house_n thou_o shall_v nor_o covet_v thy_o neighbours_n wife_n nor_o his_o servant_n nor_o his_o make_v nor_o his_o ox_n nor_o his_o ass_n nor_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v he_o in_o this_o division_n they_o dissent_v both_o from_o s._n augustin_n &_o the_o scripture_n as_o appear_v by_o their_o catechism_n publiss_v ever_o since_o the_o change_n of_o religion_n in_o england_n from_o s._n augustin_n in_o that_o they_o put_v for_o the_o second_o commandment_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n where_o as_o he_o on_o the_o contrary_a in_o his_o epistle_n to_o januarius_n express_o put_v not_o for_o the_o second_o but_o for_o the_o first_o commandment_n these_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o idol_n they_o dissent_v alsoe_o from_o the_o scripture_n both_o in_o that_o those_o word_n which_o they_o put_v for_o the_o second_o commandment_n the_o scripture_n set_v they_o down_o in_o the_o very_a same_o tenor_n &_o continuation_n of_o style_n with_o those_o which_o according_a to_o both_o party_n be_v the_o first_o commandment_n to_o wit_n thou_o shall_v have_v no_o other_o god_n but_o i_o add_v alsoe_o one_o &_o the_o same_o punishment_n after_o that_o which_o the_o reformer_n will_v needs_o have_v to_o be_v a_o other_o commandment_n which_o yet_o if_o they_o be_v distinct_a commandment_n they_o shall_v rather_o have_v have_v distinct_a punishment_n assign_v they_o several_o as_o also_o second_o because_o in_o the_o text_n of_o exodus_fw-la out_o of_o which_o the_o reformer_n rehearse_v their_o commandment_n the_o word_n be_v not_o as_o they_o corrupt_o translate_v &_o relate_v they_o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n but_o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a thing_n which_o be_v yet_o more_o plain_o explicate_v in_o the_o four_o of_o the_o deut._n to_o be_v understand_v not_o so_o that_o there_o ought_v not_o any_o grave_a similitude_n to_o be_v make_v but_o that_o there_o ought_v not_o any_o to_o be_v make_v of_o those_o thing_n which_o god_n prohibit_v especial_o suppose_v that_o the_o deuteronomie_n as_o the_o word_n itself_o do_v signify_v be_v a_o exact_v explication_n
consecrationem_fw-la fieri_fw-la arbitrantur_fw-la ego_fw-la vero_fw-la consecrationem_fw-la horum_fw-la verborum_fw-la operatione_n hoc_fw-la facite_fw-la in_o meam_fw-la commemorationem_fw-la fieri_fw-la existimo_fw-la christus_fw-la enim_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v very_o many_o say_v this_o author_n who_o think_v that_o consecration_n be_v make_v by_o virtue_n and_o operation_n of_o these_o word_n this_o my_o body_n material_o pronounce_v whence_o it_o be_v that_o i_o have_v see_v some_o who_o come_v to_o consecrate_v do_v in_o a_o strange_a manner_n cast_v their_o breath_n with_o the_o foresay_a word_n upon_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n as_o if_o in_o as_o much_o only_a as_o they_o be_v naked_a word_n not_o consider_v any_o thing_n else_o in_o they_o they_o do_v hold_v consecration_n to_o be_v perform_v by_o they_o but_o i_o think_v that_o consecration_n be_v make_v by_o virtue_n and_o operation_n of_o these_o word_n do_v this_o in_o rembrance_n of_o i_o for_o ghrist_n etc._n 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lutheran_n reject_v in_o their_o remonstrance_n to_o the_o greek_a church_n and_o jerimie_n the_o patriarcke_n maintain_v in_o his_o anser_fw-la to_o the_o same_o to_o all_o which_o may_v be_v add_v yet_o more_o express_a word_n of_o the_o same_o patriarch_n say_v thus_o statuit_fw-la igitur_fw-la catholica_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la mutari_fw-la conseeratione_n facta_fw-la panem_fw-la quidem_fw-la in_o ipsum_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la vinum_fw-la vero_fw-la in_o ipsum_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la eius_fw-la per_fw-la spiritum_fw-la sanctum_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o catholic_a church_n therefore_o say_v he_o defin_n that_o the_o consecration_n be_v make_v the_o bread_n be_v change_v into_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o wine_n into_o his_o blood_n by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n etc._n etc._n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o he_o use_v the_o word_n metavallomena_n in_o these_o place_n in_o which_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o conversion_n or_o transmutation_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n which_o do_v manifest_o the_o monstrate_v the_o grecian_a patriarch_n to_o maintain_v that_o same_o change_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o the_o romanist_n in_o latin_a call_v transubstantiation_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o convince_v the_o preposterousnes_n of_o the_o iniudicious_a knight_n in_o make_v use_n of_o this_o great_a prelate_n for_o his_o own_o contrary_a position_n touch_v invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o their_o worship_n sir_n humphrey_n in_o the_o 232._o page_n of_o his_o devious_a way_n allege_v against_o the_o romanist_n the_o confession_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n quote_v in_o the_o margin_n the_o same_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n and_o relate_v his_o word_n in_o his_o anser_fw-la to_o the_o german_a doctor_n cap._n 1._o where_o according_a to_o his_o relation_n the_o patriarch_n say_v in_o the_o name_n of_o himself_o and_o fellow_n that_o they_o do_v not_o proper_o invocate_v saint_n but_o god_n fot_o neither_o peter_n nor_o paul_n hear_v any_o of_o those_o that_o invocate_v they_o but_o the_o gift_n and_o grace_n that_o they_o have_v according_a to_o the_o promise_n i_o be_o with_o you_o till_o the_o consummation_n of_o the_o world_n thus_o the_o knight_n rehearse_n that_o author_n word_n but_o yet_o corrupt_o for_o first_o the_o patriarch_n have_v not_o those_o negative_a word_n we_o do_v not_o proper_o invocate_v saint_n but_o this_o affirmative_a invocation_n do_v propor_o agree_v to_o god_n only_o and_o it_o do_v agree_v to_o he_o primary_o and_o most_o immediate_o which_o word_n sir_n humphrey_n leave_v out_o but_o invocation_n make_v to_o saint_n be_v not_o proper_o invocation_n but_o accidental_o and_o as_o if_o we_o shall_v say_v by_o grace_n or_o favour_n which_o latter_a word_n alsoe_o the_o knight_n partly_o mangle_v and_o partly_o omit_v second_o the_o patriarch_n dot_z not_o say_v peter_n and_o paul_n do_v not_o hear_v their_o invocator_n but_o he_o say_v they_o do_v not_o exaudire_fw-la that_o be_v they_o do_v not_o hear_v and_o grant_v by_o their_o own_o power_n the_o petition_n of_o those_o that_o invocate_v they_o and_o there_o be_v so_o much_o betwixt_o audire_fw-la &_o exaudire_fw-la that_o his_o hear_n and_o grant_v that_o which_o be_v hear_v that_o althou_fw-mi '_o the_o one_o undouble_o agree_v to_o the_o saint_n both_o in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o grecian_a church_n and_o the_o roman_a yet_o of_o the_o exaudition_n or_o hear_n with_o a_o grant_n doubt_n may_v be_v make_v even_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n whether_o it_o be_v proper_a to_o saint_n or_o no_o in_o regard_n it_o may_v be_v conceive_v that_o although_o the_o saint_n be_v true_o intercessor_n between_o we_o and_o god_n yet_o have_v they_o not_o power_n to_o grant_v out_o request_v but_o only_o to_o mediate_v for_o we_o by_o way_n of_o impetration_n and_o therefore_o the_o same_o author_n say_v that_o peter_n and_o paul_n do_v not_o exaudire_fw-la that_o be_v not_o so_o hear_v we_o as_o they_o themselves_o grant_v our_o petition_n which_o they_o hear_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v according_a or_o by_o the_o favour_n they_o have_v by_o virtue_n of_o the_o promise_n of_o our_o saviour_n i_o will_v be_v with_o you_o till_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n as_o the_o grecian_a patriarch_n do_v sufficient_o declare_v and_o that_o the_o grecian_n do_v in_o general_a term_n grant_v invocation_n of_o saint_n which_o be_v that_o which_o both_o agree_v with_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n and_o differ_v from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pretend_v reformer_n it_o be_v manifest_v not_o only_o out_o of_o this_o place_n but_o alsoe_o out_o of_o other_o place_n of_o the_o patriarch_n anser_fw-la as_o particular_o in_o the_o 13._o chapter_n pag_n 102._o where_o it_o be_v say_v by_o he_o that_o in_o the_o sacrifice_n or_o mass_n mentionem_fw-la beatissimae_fw-la virgin_n facimus_fw-la laudes_fw-la eius_fw-la praedicantes_fw-la intercessione_n sanctorum_fw-la omnium_fw-la petentes_fw-la misericordiam_fw-la dei_fw-la implorantes_fw-la pro_fw-la vivis_fw-la mortuisque_fw-la supplicantes_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o more_o plain_o in_o the_o very_a 21._o chapter_n cite_v by_o our_o adversary_n where_o the_o patriarch_n have_v these_o word_n haec_fw-la meditatio_fw-la nunc_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la fit_n &_o depraedicatur_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la sanctos_fw-la exclamamus_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la dominam_fw-la nostram_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la sanctos_fw-la angelos_n &_o ad_fw-la dominam_fw-la quidem_fw-la nostram_fw-la tersancta_fw-la domina_fw-la deipara_n pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la intercede_v peccatoribus_fw-la ad_fw-la sanctos_fw-la autem_fw-la angelos_n omnes_fw-la caelestes_fw-la potestates_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la angelorum_fw-la &_o archangelorum_fw-la orate_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o meditation_n be_v now_o make_v &_o preach_v in_o the_o church_n we_o both_o cry_n aloud_o to_o the_o saint_n and_o to_o our_o lady_n and_o to_o the_o angel_n and_o to_o our_o lady_n true_o thrice_o holy_a lady_n mother_n of_o god_n intercede_v for_o we_o sinner_n but_o to_o the_o holy_a angeles_n all_v you_o celestial_a power_n of_o holy_a
concedimus_fw-la quod_fw-la oramus_fw-la sanctos_fw-la proprie_fw-la &_o ipsi_fw-la orant_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la proprie_fw-la ut_fw-la cum_fw-la dicimus_fw-la sancte_fw-la petre_n ora_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o grant_v say_v antisiodore_n that_o we_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n proper_o &_o that_o they_o pray_v for_o we_o proper_o as_o when_o we_o say_v saint_n peter_n pray_v for_o us._n and_o now_o lo_o here_o how_o faithlesse_o the_o knight_n have_v proceed_v in_o his_o allegation_n of_o the_o testimony_n of_o these_o twoe_o author_n who_o both_o so_o plain_o conspire_v against_o he_o &_o let_v the_o reader_n alsoe_o consider_v how_o little_a reason_n our_o adversary_n have_v to_o conclude_v that_o invocation_n of_o saint_n have_v neither_o antiquity_n universality_n nor_o succession_n suppose_v that_o he_o can_v conclude_v no_o other_o safety_n out_o of_o these_o and_o the_o like_a premise_n then_o such_o as_o proceed_v from_o his_o own_o forgery_n &_o deceit_n and_o although_o gabriel_n cite_v a_o opinion_n of_o many_o other_o that_o grant_v the_o saint_n do_v pray_v only_o improper_o for_o we_o by_o mediation_n of_o their_o merit_n yet_o do_v they_o not_o exclude_v all_o prayer_n to_o saint_n as_o sir_n humphrey_n &_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o pretensive_a reform_a brother_n do_v who_o if_o they_o will_v but_o grant_v the_o same_o the_o roman_a church_n will_v not_o so_o much_o complain_v of_o they_o neither_o be_v the_o difference_n of_o those_o romanist_n from_o other_o in_o the_o substance_n of_o this_o question_n in_o controversy_n which_o be_v whether_o the_o saint_n intercede_v &_o pray_v for_o faithful_a christian_n live_v in_o this_o world_n &_o whether_o we_o may_v pray_v unto_o they_o &_o invocate_v they_o in_o both_o which_o part_n of_o doctrine_n all_o romanist_n agree_v but_o these_o divine_v mention_v by_o biel_n do_v dissent_n from_o the_o rest_n only_o about_o the_o manner_n of_o intercession_n which_o saint_n do_v use_v make_v a_o question_n whether_o they_o perform_v that_o charitable_a act_n by_o formal_a prayer_n make_v unto_o god_n for_o we_o or_o by_o interposition_n of_o their_o merit_n by_o that_o mean_n to_o move_v his_o divine_a majesty_n to_o grant_v our_o request_n which_o manner_n of_o mediation_n as_o it_o be_v not_o the_o chief_a question_n betwixt_o our_o adversary_n of_o these_o time_n &_o we_o so_o neither_o be_v it_o a_o argument_n of_o defect_n of_o antiquity_n universality_n or_o succession_n in_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n nor_o any_o proof_n of_o the_o same_o note_n to_o concur_v in_o the_o tenet_n of_o the_o modern_a sectary_n as_o sir_n humphrey_n do_v false_o suppose_v &_o prove_v not_o but_o only_o equivocate_v in_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n or_o rather_o by_o affect_a ignorance_n transuer_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o foresay_a divine_n touch_v this_o point_n take_v the_o manner_n for_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n &_o so_o either_o throu_fw-fr '_o affect_a ignorance_n or_o plain_a malice_n dilude_v his_o reader_n to_o let_v pass_v that_o although_o the_o foresay_a author_n do_v not_o grant_n that_o the_o saint_n use_v any_o formal_a or_o proper_a form_n of_o prayer_n to_o god_n for_o we_o yet_o do_v they_o not_o defy_v our_o in_o vocation_n unto_o they_o nay_o suppose_v these_o divine_n of_o who_o doctrine_n the_o knight_n will_v fain_o take_v hold_n as_o if_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o universality_n of_o the_o roman_a faith_n suppose_v i_o say_v as_o sir_n humphrey_n himself_o relate_v out_o of_o gabriel_n they_o defend_v the_o mediation_n of_o saint_n by_o their_o merit_n at_o the_o least_o if_o he_o have_v have_v be_v sense_n in_o readiness_n he_o may_v easy_o have_v either_o infer_v that_o those_o same_o author_n in_o like_a manner_n hold_v that_o we_o may_v invocate_v &_o pray_v unto_o they_o even_o peoper_o &_o formal_o or_o at_o the_o least_o it_o be_v plain_a he_o neither_o ought_v nor_o can_v deduce_v the_o non_fw-fr invocation_n of_o saint_n from_o the_o foresay_a mediation_n as_o erroneous_o he_o do_v &_o consequent_o he_o great_o abuse_v the_o maintainer_n of_o that_o opinion_n in_o that_o he_o produce_v they_o against_o the_o universality_n antiquity_n and_o continual_a succession_n of_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n in_o this_o particular_a see_v they_o differ_v not_o a_o jot_n from_o other_o catholic_a divine_n in_o it_o touch_v the_o substance_n of_o faith_n yea_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o this_o that_o they_o express_o consent_v with_o they_o both_o in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o mediation_n &_o merit_n both_o which_o point_v nevertheless_o the_o novellist_n do_v obstinate_o impugn_v so_o that_o it_o appear_v as_o a_o manifest_a truth_n that_o sir_n humphrey_n can_v not_o possible_a with_o all_o his_o art_n &_o devise_n scrape_v any_o thing_n out_o of_o they_o for_o the_o antiquity_n universality_n &_o succession_n of_o his_o pretensive_a reform_a congregation_n but_o rather_o that_o which_o do_v quite_o destroy_v it_o if_o he_o have_v his_o dye_n about_o he_o to_o perceive_v it_o to_o the_o word_n cite_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n page_n 263._o concern_v image_n biel_n subjoin_v these_o nec_fw-la tamen_fw-la propter_fw-la haec_fw-la imagine_v proijciendae_fw-la sunt_fw-la aut_fw-la de_fw-la oratorijs_fw-la eliminandae_fw-la occasione_n idololatriae_fw-la devitandae_fw-la aut_fw-la peregrinationes_fw-la ad_fw-la certas_fw-la imagine_v vel_fw-la certa_fw-la loca_fw-la praesertim_fw-la consecrata_fw-la vel_fw-la etiam_fw-la consecranda_fw-la penitus_fw-la reprehendenda_fw-la non_fw-la enim_fw-la usque_fw-la quaque_fw-la negandun_v est_fw-la quin_fw-la in_o certis_fw-la locis_fw-la singulariter_fw-la reluceant_fw-la beneficia_fw-la &_o maiora_fw-la crebrius_fw-la quam_fw-la in_o alijs_fw-la vel_fw-la propter_fw-la imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la reliquias_fw-la ibi_fw-la conditas_fw-la vel_fw-la occulta_fw-la ministeria_fw-la alius_fw-la mysteria_fw-la futuris_fw-la temporibus_fw-la ibi_fw-la celebranda_fw-la aut_fw-la celebrata_fw-la vel_fw-la alius_fw-la causas_fw-la nobis_fw-la occultas_fw-la propter_fw-la quas_fw-la deus_fw-la unum_fw-la locum_fw-la elegit_fw-la svo_fw-la cultui_fw-la non_fw-la alium_fw-la thus_o much_o biel_n in_o can_n missae_fw-la sec_fw-la 49._o which_o word_n nevertheless_o be_v sly_o omit_v by_o fir_n humphrey_n &_o his_o friend_n cassander_n which_o other_o wise_a be_v so_o plain_a for_o the_o catholic_a practice_n in_o this_o matter_n even_o at_o this_o day_n that_o they_o confound_v they_o both_o and_o this_o be_v their_o false_a plot_n which_o they_o use_v to_o make_v this_o most_o catholic_a author_n seem_v to_o favore_fw-la their_o ill_a cause_n whereas_o in_o reallitie_n he_o be_v plain_o against_o they_o page_n 152._o of_o the_o by-way_n canus_n be_v cite_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n lib._n 3._o cap._n 3._o and_o false_o allege_v as_o if_o he_o give_v a_o reason_n wherefore_o tradition_n be_v above_o scripture_n for_o he_o only_a affitme_n that_o they_o be_v of_o great_a force_n to_o convince_v haeretike_n then_o scripture_n that_o which_o in_o substance_n be_v teach_v long_o since_o by_o ancient_a tertullian_n &_o be_v no_o blemish_n unto_o the_o write_a word_n of_o god_n which_o in_o other_o respect_v both_o the_o same_o canus_n &_o all_o other_o romanist_n at_o the_o least_o equalise_v yea_o prefer_v before_o the_o unwritten_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n in_o general_n in_o his_o citation_n of_o canus_n page_n 399._o of_o he_o by_o way_n sir_n humphrey_n put_v the_o objection_n as_o if_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o author_n who_o propound_v &_o anser_v the_o same_o in_o his_o last_o chapter_n of_o the_o first_o book_n sharp_o reprehend_v pighius_fw-la out_z of_o who_o opinion_n the_o objection_n be_v frame_v by_o canus_n &_o reprove_v although_o he_o insinuate_v with_o all_o that_o the_o error_n of_o pighius_fw-la be_v not_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n &_o doctrine_n necessatie_n to_o salvation_n which_o be_v that_o only_a which_o canus_n profess_v to_o maintain_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o counsel_n nos_fw-la enim_fw-la in_o dogmate_n fidei_fw-la &_o deeretis_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la fidelium_fw-la necessarijs_fw-la conciliorum_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la asserimus_fw-la in_fw-la rerum_fw-la gestarum_fw-la iudicio_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la non_fw-la asserimus_fw-la canus_n de_fw-fr locis_fw-la lib._n 5._o cap._n ult._n ad_fw-la sep_n argumentum_fw-la when_o costerus_n pag._n 44._o of_o his_o enchir._n prefer_v tradition_n before_o the_o word_n of_o god_n he_o take_v tradition_n as_o it_o be_v write_v in_o carnal_a table_n of_o the_o heart_n by_o the_o finger_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n &_o on_o the_o contrary_n he_o take_v the_o write_a word_n of_o god_n precise_o as_o it_o consist_v in_o letter_n &_o character_n which_o may_v perish_v or_o be_v corrupt_v by_o the_o false_a construction_n of_o heretic_n or_o otherwise_o and_o therefore_o costerus_n call_v the_o first_o internal_a the_o second_o external_a scripture_n in_o the_o margin_n of_o the_o same_o page_n 44._o and_o when_o the_o same_o costerus_a citcd_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n page_n 149._o of_o his_o devia_fw-la in_o the_o
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