steed thereof is thereby vnderstood the last 1260. yeares before Luther by Mr. Napeir vpon the reuelations Proposition 15 pa. 22. 23. 24. By Mr. Brocard vpon the reuiatioÌ„ fol. 110. a. and by Master Gifford vpon the reuelat pag. 890. post med was the first that diswaded Luther from further saying of Masse If now then that Luther him selfe was at first a Catholicke and our aduersaries in steed of plaine instance or example to be giuen of their Churches impugning of errors of her Pastors Doctors administratioÌ„ of the word and sacraments during but the foresaide 20. yeeres next before Luther do answere vs that they were as then persecuted we replie to them from them selues aswel that no persecution of man can frustrate the foresaid ordinaÌ„ce of god made to his Church in this behalfe as also that persecutioÌ„ (¶) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2 sect 8. at o. p. maketh her most knowne and therfore we aske as before who these were that were as then so persecuted if they say that for feare of persecution they durst not professe theire faith and so escaped vnknowne we againe tell them from themselues that (â‹) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 11. 1. l. p. q. r therfore they were not as then the true Church And we vrge yet further that the feare of persecutioÌ„ could be no such let to them after that sundry common wealthes and Magistrates had vndertaken the publique profession defence of Luthers doctrine but that as then at the least if any such had bene in being they might safelie haue shewed them selues and ioyned in comunion with Luther If lastly they say that their Pastors and Doctors administration of the word and sacraments were as then visible and knowne and that now since all testimonie thereof is suppressed to omit what hath bene (*) See heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 9. already sufficiently said against this and to admit also that all our Catholicke writers should so strangely haue passed them onely ouer in silence remembring all others as the Annabaptistes Swenefeldians c. why yet should Luther Zuinglius and the other Protestant writers forbeare to mention them the cause we take to be euident and onely for that during the foresaide 20. yeares before Luther they were not knowne to be so much as but in being in any one nation of the world which thing is in our opinion not obscurelye graunted rather then signified by our learned aduersaries them selues To this end our learned aduersaries Ioannes Regius acknowledgeth that the Church was euen theÌ„ (¶) Ioannes Regius being vrged in this kind doth in his liber apologeticus c. pag. 176. circa post med answere therto saying Negas Lutherum suae fidei caetum inuenisse c. dico fuisse ante Lutherum verae religionis qui cum Luthero per omniâ— consentiret caetum ecclesiâ—sticum But coming to answere where this Congregation wâ—s to be then found he hath no other refuge but saith there that it was a â—ontificijs non agnitus nec propter tyrannideÌ„ pontificiam visibiliter fortassis ostendi non potuerit iucoque quaÌ„do vrgent Iesuitae vt Lutherus verae religionis asse clam Ecclesiam ostendat c. volunt vt Lutherus oppositum in adiecto demonstret inuisibile visibile probet c. interim tamen absurdum est ita argumentari haec res ab alijs non agnoscitur nec potest etiam videri aut demonstrari ideoque non est in rerum nâ—tura c. So plainely doth he being vrged to particulers acknowledge his pretended Congregation at Luthers coming to haue bene then inuisible and not able to be shewed inuisiblâ— and could not be shewed and Mr. Iewell affirmeth accordingly that (e) Mr. Iewell in his Aplogie of the Church of England part 4. c. 4. diuision 2. and in his defence of the Apologie printed Anno 1571. pag. 426 prope finem the truth was vnknowne at that time vnheard of when Martine Luther and Hulderiâ—h Zuinglius first came vnto the knowledge and preaching of the Gospell Mr. Parkines sâ—ith in like manner (*) Mr. Parkins in his exposition vpon the Creed pag. 400. And Caluin in his booke of Epistles printed Hannouiae 1597. ep 141. pag. 273. paulo post med saith accordingly Adâ—urdum est postquam discessionem a toto mundo facere coacti sumus inter ipsa principia alios ab alijs dissilire And Daniel Chamierus in his epist Iesuitic part altera printed Geneuae 1601. pag. 49. saith hereof ArianoruÌ„ venenuÌ„ non portiunculaÌ„ quaÌ„daÌ„ fed pené totum orbem contaminauerat c. In ea nos tempora deuinimus quae etiam excedent Ariani furoris coâ—fusionem non portiunculam vnam aut alteram error occupauit sed totum â—orpus Apostasia auertit a Christo we say that before the daies of Luther for the space of many hundreth yeares an vniuersall apostasie ouerspread the wholle face of the earth and that our Church was not then visible to the world in so much as Bucer doth therfore call Luther (f) Primum Aposiolum purioris Euangelij Bucer in epist Anno. 36. ad Episcopum Hereford vide Conradum Schlusselburg in theolog Caluinistarum l. 2 fol. 17. a. initio the first Apostle of the reformed doctrine whose vocation said our aduersaries was by reason of the then generall defection of aâ—l protestant Pastors (*) See before tract 2. c. 2. sect 10. fine at q. r. immediate and extraordinarie the cource of (¶) Bezâ— ep 5. Alâ—mâ—nno paulo post initium Ordinarie vocation being then no where extant And the Lutheranes do affirme it (g) Conrad Schlustelburg ibid. l. 2. fol. 130. b. versus finem impudencie to say that many learned mâ—n in Germanie before Luther did hâ—uld the Dâ—ctrine of the Gospell And an other of them further saith Si antecessores Lutherus in officio habuisset orthodoxos c. (h) Georgius Milius in Augustan confess explicat art 7. de Ecclesia pag. 137. If there had bene right beleuers that went bâ—fore Luâ—her in his office c. there had then bene no nede of a Lutheraine reformation (i) Georgius Miluis ibid pag. 138. thâ—refore saith he we say that Luther was raised vp diuinitus extra ordinem by Gods speciall appointment and extraordinarily And an other Lutherane writer affirmeth it (k) Benedict Morgenstern tract de Ecclesia pag. 145. ridiculouse to thinke that in the time bâ—fore Luâ—hâ—r any had the puritie of Doctrine and that Luther should receiue it from them and not they from Luther consideriâ—g saith he it is manifest to the whole Christian worlde that before Luthers time all Churches were ouerwhelmed with more then Cymeriane darkenes And that Luther was diuinely raised vp to discouer the same and to restore the light of true Doctrine So plainely do our aduersaries them selues in steed of instance or example to be geuen acknowledge to the contrary the vtter defection
ad Bellarmini disput part 1 page 375 fine et 276 initio the iudgements and testimonies of the Church then corrupt d and betwitchâ—d or made blinde with this error As concerning the Primacie of the Romane sea the Centurists sâ—y (*) Cent. 5 cap 10 col 1262 line 30. Leo very painefully goeth about to proue that singulâ—r prâ—heminence was giuen to Peter aboue the other Apostles and that thence rose the Primacie of the Romane Church and Beza further saith (â‹) Confess Geneue c 7 sect 12 and Whitaker de concilijs contra Bellarminum pag. 37 paulo ante medium faith de Leone primo non laboro magnus ille suit Antichristiani regni architectus and yet ibidem pag. 34. circa medium he sayeth of Leo fuit ille quidem doctus pius Episcopus sed fuit tamen magis ambitiosus c. it is manifest that Leo in his Epistles doth clearely breathe forth the arrogancie of the Anticristian Romane sea and my Lorde of Canterbury saith (¶) Mr. Whitguifte in his defence pag. 342 post med it is certaine that then viz. in the time of the auncient carthage Aphrican Councell the Bishope of Rome beganne at least to claime the superioritie ouer all Churches In like manner is that auncient councell of Sardis whereat sundry fathers of the Councell were present charged for acknowledging (28) Hereof see Osiander cent 4. p. 294 ante med and Caluin instit l. 4 c. 7 sect 9 and see hereafter Tract 1 sect 7 in the margent at the letter d of the second alphabet appellâ—s to the Bishope of Rome and Mr Fulâ—ke and other Protestants affirme that the auncient Romane Bishopes (29) See Mr. Fulke alleaged hereafter Tract 1 sect 7 letter a of the second alphabet And see Sparke against Mr. Iohn de Albines in his answere to the preface ante med and Osiander cent 5 pag 28 218. Anastasius Innocentius zozimus Boniface and Celestinus who liued 1200 yeares since challinged prerogatiue ouer the Bishopes of Aphrica by sorging a false canon of the Nicen Councell which pretence of forgerie is hereafter (30) See herafter Tract 1 sect 7 in the margent at the letter c. d. of the second alphâ—bet auoided Mr. Whitaker saith also of Iulius Bishâ—pe of Rome who liued in Constantines time that (31) See Whitaker de concilijs c. quoest 2 pag 42 fine 43 initio 44 paulo ante med he challenged to him selfe authoritie that no Councell shoulde be celebrated without the sentence of the Bishâ—pe of Rome S. Cipriane though a Bishope of Aphrick who liued Anno. 240. is charged by the centurie writers for his affirming (32) Cent. 3 c. 4 col 84 line 44. our chaire sounded by our Lords voice vpon the rocke and that (33) ibid. l. 49 there ought to be one Bishope in the CATHOLICKE Church for his challenge (34) ibid. l. 56 Peters chaire the principlll Church from whence Priestly vertue ariseth and lastly for his say they (35) ibid. line 51. teaching without any foundation of scripture that the Romane Church ought to be acknowledged of all others for the Mother and Roote of the Catholi k Church victor (36) Mr. Whitgifte in his defence c. pag. 510 prope finem as my Lord of Canterbury affirmeth liued Anno 198. and was a Godly Bishope and Martir and the Church at that time in greate puritie as not being long after the Apostles time yet is he charged by Amandus Polanus to (37) Amandus Polanus in silogethesin theologiae p. 165. haue shewed a Papall minde aâ—r gancie and by M. Sparke (38) Mr. Spark against mr Iohn d' Abbines in his answere to the preface ante med and see Osiander cent 2. pag â—7 96. somewhat Popel kâ— to haue receaued hâ—s bonndes when he tookâ— vpon him to excommunicate the Bishopes of the East Mr. Whitaker also charging him with (*) Whitaker contra Dureum l. 7. pag. 480. initio exercising iurisdiction vpon former Churches Lastly S. Ierneus who liued next after the Apostles schollers and in the same time victor is disliked for his affirming that (39) The centurie writers cent 2. c 4 col 64 line 10 all the Churche ought to accord to the Romane Church in regard of a more powerable principallitie wherein the Centurists charge him with (40) See the 2. centurie in the Alphabeticall table at the word Irenaeus a corrupt saying concerning the Primacie of the Roman Church 11 Eleuenthly as concerning the appointed Fast of Lent St. Ambrose saith (2) Ambrose serm 25 34. 36 it is sinne not to faste in Lent for which M. Carthwright (3) Mr. Cartwrite alleged in master Whitgiftes defence p. 100 initio reproueth him yet no lesse is affirmed by (4) Aug de tempore serm 62 77 S. Austine (5) Chrisost ad pop ho. 6. prope finem Chrisostome and other (6) concil 8. Tol. can 9 Fathers in so much as Chemnitius confesseth that (7) Chemnitius exameÌ„ Concil Trident. part 1 pag. 89. b. ante med saith Quadragessi nam enim Ambrosius maximus taurinensis Theophilus Hieronimus alij affirmant essâ— traditionem apostolicam Ambrose Maximus Taurinensis Theophilus Hierom and other do affirme the faste of Lent to be an Apostolicall tradition In more vndouted proofe whereof other Protestante writers do not only affirme (8) See this in Abraham Scultetus in medul theologiae Patrum p. 440. initio The superstition of Lent fasting to haue bene allowed and commaunded by Ignatius (9) Master Whitgifte in his defence c. pag. 408 circa medium who was scholâ—er to S. Iohn but do also defend (10) See Abraham Scultetus vbi supra And the same epistle of Ignasius being ad Philippenses is in like manner cited and acknowledged by Mr. Whitgifte in his deffence p. 102 ante med And by mr Carthwrite alleaged ibidem pag. 99 prope finem And mr Hooker in his ecclesiasticall policie l. 5. sect 72 pag. 209 circa med answereth our aduersaries vsuall obiection made against it and so likewise doth mr Whitgifte in his defence c. that very Epistle of Ignatius in which this Doctrine is extant to be his true Epistle and not counterfaite 12 Tweluethly concerning vnwritten Traditions and Ceremonies and first concerninge vnwritten TRADITIONS it is Confessed as followeth whereas Sanit CHRISOSTOME saith (2) Chrisost in 2. Thessal hom 4 the Apostles did not deliuer all thinges by writing but many things without and these be as worthie of credit as the other Mr. Whitaker in answere thereof saith (3) Whittaker de sacra scriptura p. 678 paulo post med I answere that thiâ— is an inconsiderate speech and vnworthie so greate a father and whereas Epiphanius saith (4) Epiphanius haer 61 circa med we must vse Tradition for the scriptuâ—e hath not all thinges and therefore the Apostles deliuered certaine thinges by
writinge and certaine by Tradition with whom agreeth S. Basill saying (5) Basil de Spir. Sanct. cap. 27. some thing we haue from scripture other things from the Apostles Tradition c. both which hath like force vnto Christian Religion Mr. D. Rainoldes answering to these foresaid sayings of Basill and Chrisostome saith (6) D. Rainoldes in his Conclusions annexed to his conference the 1. conclusion pag. 689. I take not vpon me to controule them but let the Church Iudge if they considered with aduice enough c. Whereunto might be added the like confessed (7) Where Eusebius l. 1 demonstr Euang. c. 8 is obiected to say that the Apostles published their doctrine Partly by writing partly without writing as it were by a certaine vnwritten law Mr. Whittaker de sacra scriptura pag. 668 fine saith therto I answere that this testimonie is plaine enough but in no sorte to be receaued because it is against the Scriptures testimonie from Eusebius And thus much breifly concerning the Fathers of the Greeke Church Now as concerning the like confessed Doctrine in the Fathers of the LATTIN Church to avoide tediousnes S. Austine only as being most (*) Gomarus in speculo verae ecclesiae c. pag. 96 ante mediu saith Augustinus Patrum omnium communi sententia purissimus habetur approued by our aduersaries shall serue for all who labouring to proue that those who are Baptized by heretickes shoulde not be Rebaptized saith (8) Aug. de Bap. contra Don. l. 5. c. 23 the Apostles commaunded nothinge hereof but that custome which was opposed herein against Ciprian is to be beleeued to proceede from their Tradition as many things be which the wholle Church houldeth and are therefore well beleeued to be commaunded of the Apostles although they bee not written Wherein and (9) See the like saying in Austine epist 118 ad Ianuarium other his like sayings his meaning is so euident and confessed that Mr. Carthwright speaking thereof sayth (10) See Mr. Carthwrite in mr Whitgifts defence c. p. 103 ante med to allowe St. Austines saying is to bringâ— in Poperie againe and that (11) See Mr. Carthwrites wordes alleaged vbi supra if S. Austines Iudgement be a good Iudgment then there be some things commaunded of God which are not in the scriptures and there-upon no sufficient Doctrine conteined in the scriptures Add but now hereunto that (12) See Chemnitius examen part 1. pag. 87. 89 90. Chemnitius reporteth for their like testimonie of vnwritten Traditions Clemens Alexandrinus Origen Epiphanius Ambrose Hierome Maximus Theophilus Basill Damascene c. That M. Fulke (13) See mr Fulke against Purgatory pa. 362 ante med 303 397 and against Martiall pag. 170. 178. and against Bristowes motiues p. 35 36. also confesseth as much of Chrisostomâ— Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Hierome c. that lastly Mr. Whitaker (14) See master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 678. 681. 683. 685. 690. 695. 696. 670 668. acknowledgeth the like of Chrisostome Epiphanius Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Innocentius Leo Basill Eusebius Damascene c. Now as concerning Ceremonies Mr. Calfehill to omitte others affirmeth that (15) Hereof see Mr. Fulkes reioinder to Martialls Replie printed 1580. pa. 131 fine 132 initio the Fathers declined all from the simplicitie of the Gospell in ceremonies 13 Thirtenthly it is confessed yet further in generall concerning Dionisius Artopagitta and Hermes who are houlden most auncient Apostolike (¶) Of Dionisius mention is made act 17 34. and of Hermes rom 16 14. namely that Dionisius in his fore-saide writinges which were aboue a thousand yeares since as D. Humfrie (â‹) Humfreid in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 5 pag. 513 fine 514 initio saith Hunc Arcopagitam Suidas Michaell Singelus Gregorius Turonensis alij Pauli auditorem credunt fuisse illum scriptorem caelestis et ecclesiasticae Hierarchiae And see before Sect 3. n. 4. lit .o. confesseth publickely extant and alleadged vnder his name doth casually and obiter amonge other thinges make mention ouer and besides the foresaide Doctrine of praier for the dead (t) Hamelmanus de traditionibus apostolicis col 707 line 27 col 736 line 56 and master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 655 ante med of Apostolicke vnwritten Traditions of (u) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 4 col 732 l. 51 Chrisme (x) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 49 col 743 l. 4 Consecration of Moncks (y) Humfreid in Iesuitismi par 2 pag. 519 circamed â—nd Luther tom 2 Witeberg Anno 1562 de captiu Babil fol. 84. b. ante med Sixe of our Sacraments that the booke of Hermes entituled Pastor affordeth in like manner testimonie or grounde worke of (z) Abraham Scultetus in medulla theolog c. pag. 467 post med freewill and monasticall solitude of (a) Hamelmanus de trad apost col 252 fine col 253 initio col 254 line 38 and Abraham Scultetus vbi supra pag. 467 post med Puâ—gatorie and praier for the dead of (b) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 l. 54 col 254 l. 49 Merite and Iustification of workes of Professed Chastitie (c) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 251 line 48 col 254 l. 30 in ministers of (d) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 36 Fasting from certaine meates of (e) ibidem col 253 line 46 the Innocent parties remainnig vnmaried in case of adultrie of (f) Chemnitius examen concil Trident. part pag. 127 a prope finem workes of superogation and of (g) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 53 saith Furtigitur bonum papismi initium impurus ille liber pastoris vel Heremitis Poperie And though in the primatiue Church some question (h) Vide Eusebium hist l. 3 â— 3 prope finem was made of this booke as whether it were Canonicall scripture or not many Fathers (i) It was thought to be sacred and for such alleaged by Origen lib. 10 in epist ad Rom. Tertulian l. de oratione Clemens Alex. l. 6 stromat Athanasius in libro de decretis Nicen Synod Cassianus collat 13. c. 12 and by Ireneus l. 4 c. 37. thinking that it was yet is it confessed to haue ben receaued at the least for (k) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 line 24 saith illum pro ecclesiastico habuerunt quidem Patrâ—s and col 730 line 25 he saith Hermetis libellus qui dicitur Pastor est olim aliquando in numerum ecclesiasticorum librorum relatus In so much as Eusebius hist l. 3 c. 3. Ruffinus in Simbolum Hierom in catul do commeÌ„d this booke for profitable and so Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 93 fine confesseth of Hierome Ecclesiasticall and the authoritie thereof to haue bene so many ages since specially alleadged (l) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 line 10 saith
also heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 3. in the marâ—ent vnder the letters n. o. The other like examples of sundry articles of the Protestants faith mencioned and condemned in other confessed Heretickes as namely in PETER BRVIS Almericus the Albigenses and the Apostolici so plainely were the Protestants seuerall doctrines not purposely suppressed or passed ouer in silence but in all times euer as they appeared specially recorded and condemned now sithence taught by Protestants and heretofore seuerally profeâ—â—ed by soâ—e one or other perticuler coÌ„demned person of those times 3. Thirdly supposing with Protestants that their Church is a true Church it is against manifest scripture which testifieth of the true Church that (a) Esay 60 20. her sonne should not be set nor her moone hid that she (b) Daniel 2 44. should not be geuen to an other people but should stand for euer as (c) Esay 60 15 16. an eternall glorie and ioy from generation to generation 4 Lastly it is against the euident confession of our learned aduersaries who acknowledge their owne Church to haue bene in regard of externall profession for many hundreth yeeres past (d) See before tract 2. c. 1. sect 4 post medium inuisible and (e) See Mr. Iohn Nappeire vpon the reualatioÌ„s in c. 12. page 161. col 3 circa medium withdrawne from open assemblies to the hartes of particuler godly men THAT EVEN LVTHER HIM SELFE WAS no member of the English Protestants Church nor professor of their Religion SECT 10. LIKE as it appeareth by the premises that our aduersaries are not able to find out any testimonie or proofe of their Churches administration of the word and sacraments for so many seuerall ages before Luther their principall examples of Waldo Wicliffe Husse c. being heretofore discouered for altogether insufficient so likewise in further euidence we will now shew the like insufficiencie also euen in the very example of Luther him selfe concerning whom we will endeuour two speciall points the First that Luther neuer was of the Englishe Protestants now faith and religioÌ„ Secondly that though he were yet is his example therin of no force in this behalfe not for so much as for his owne time Now concerning the First namely that our aduersaries may not challenge Luther to haue bin of their now Church and religion appeareth by his sundry grosse and confessed errors wherin they are enforced to disclaime As for example 1 First coÌ„cerning the successe and preseruation of our Christian profession in generall he affirmed and taught to the great daunger therof that (f) Luther in assertionibus damnat per Leonem decimum Artic. 34. which was praeliari aduersus Turcas est repugnare Deo visitanti iniquitates nostras per illos And in explicat articuli 34. he saith emong his other defence therof Ite praeliamini contra Turcas vt resistatis virgae Dei cadatis sicut Achab cecidit And in epistola contra duo mandata imperialia he further saith Oro cunctos pios Christianos ne vllo modo sequamur vel in militiamâ—re vel dare aliquid contra Turcas quandoquidem Turca decies prudentior probiorque est quám Principes nostri to warre against the Turkes was to resist God visiting our sinnes by them the which opinion he did also afterwardes more at large defend concluding and saying (g) Luther in explicat Art 34. prope finem and hereof see the treatise against the defence of the censure page 230. ante med 231. initio Luther in his booke de bello contra Turcas affirmeth that the Deuill by Gods permission did gouerne hinder the Councells and assemblies of the Princes of Germanie for no other cause but that his article of not warring against the Turke might remaine in force and vncondeÌ„ned He that hath eares to heare let him heare and abstaine from the Turkish warres whiles the Popes name preuaileth vnder heauen I haue saide And wheras Doctor Fulke doth excuse all this as (h) Mr. Fulke in his Apologie of the professors of the Gospell c. against Peter Frarine page 31. initio meant of those Christians which were vnder the Turkes Dominion It is so directly against the scope and (*) His former mencion of God visiting our sinnes by the Turke and likewise of the Pope and also of the Princes of Germanie and the wholle passage of his treatise made therof at large auoideth this answere in so much as the author against the defence of the censure page 231. laboureth to excuse Luther otherwise circumstance of Luthers wordes that Roff nsis (i) Roffensis in confut Assert Luther printed 1523. Art 34. did therefore write speciâ—lly against this his foresaâ—d doctrine at large â—eciting and confuting his reasons which foresaid doctrine of Luther was also so knowne (*) Hereof see Belforest in Cosmogra l. 2. c. 7. col 579. gratefull to the Turke that as Luthers owne â—choller reporteth (k) Manlius in loc comun pag. 636. fine the Turkish Emperour to the great shame of Luther hearing therof demaunded our Christian Embassadour how oulâ— Luther was and wished him yonger promisiâ—g to be his good Lord. And the Duke of Saxony a professor of Luthers doctrine was accordingly charged (l) Hereof see SleidaÌ„ l. 18. fol. 277. ante med as being confederate with the Turke In so much has Erasmus whom our aduersaries thinke to haue bene indifferently (m) Act. mon. pa. 404. a. fine affected towards Luther saith hereof (n) Erasmus in epistola ad fratres inferioris Germaniae pag. 39. many of the Saxones following that first doctrine of Luther denied to Cesar and King Ferdinando aide against the Turke c. and saide they had rather fight for a Turke not baptized then for a Turke baptized therby meaning the Emperour 2 Secondly concerning the Canonicall scriptures it is euident that Luther denied sundry coÌ„fessed parts therof concerning the Apocalips Bullenger giueth testimonie saying (o) Bullenger vpon the Apocalips englished c. 1. serm 1. fol. 2. a. post med Doctor Martine Luther hath as it were sticked this bookâ— by a sharpe preface set before his first aedition of the new Testament in dutch for which his iudgmeÌ„t good and learned men were offâ—nded with him and concerning the epistle of S. Iames Luther saith therof (p) Luther prefat in epist Iacobi in aeditione Ienensi The Epistle of Iames is contentious swelling dry strawne vnworthy an Apostolicall spirit In so much as liliricus Luthers scholler expresseth and defendeth Luthers foresaid iudgment saying (q) Illiricus prefat in Iacobum Luther in his preface vpon S. Iames epistle giueth great reasons why this epistle ought in no case to be accounted for a writing of Apostolicke authoritie vnto which reasons I thinke euery godly man ought to yeeld which foresaid iudgmeÌ„t of Luther concerning these and other partes of the new Testament is yet to this day so continued and defended by Luthers owne
and want of their Churches Pastors and Doctors of administration of the Word and Sacraments for and during the age next before Luther wherevnto we further add that the Protestants Doctrine of Iustification by onely faith which them selues affirme to be (l) Mr. Charke in the Tower disputation the fourth daies conference Arg. 1. dâ—nii the Soâ—lâ— of the Church (m) Mr. Foxe act mon. pag. 402. a. circa medium the onely principall â—â—gine of saluation and (n) The Confession of Bohemia in the Harmony of Confessions pag. 253. ante medium of all â—hâ—r pâ—ints of Doctrine the chiefest and weightiest was so vnknowne in the age before Luther that the contrary Doctrine of Iustification by Mâ—rrit and Workes which Protestants terme (o) Mr. Penrie in the booke entituled Mr. Some laid open in his colours page 29 30. the very hart life and soule of Poperie was defended not onely by the (p) See this heretofore for the Waldenses at pag. 90. i. l. and for Wicliffe at pag. 97. f. for Husse at pag. 101. g. Waldenses Wyclâ—ffe and Husse but also by all other nearer Luthers time in so much that Mr. Foxe hauing spoken of the tâ—mes next before Lutâ—er and of the learned writers then liuing concludeth onely of Luther that (q) Act. mon. pag. 402 a. circa med and the Deuines of the Confession of Augusta alledged by Luc. Osiander in epitom hist ecclesiast centur 16. pag. 157. paulo ante med confesse the same likewise saying Cum igitur doctrina de fide quam oportet in Ecclesia praecipuam esse tam diâ— tacuerit ignota quemadmoduÌ„ fateri omnes necesse est c. he gaue the strâ—akâ— and pluckte downe the fâ—undation of our Catholicke faith and all by opening one vaine lâ—ng hid before which is our free Iustification by our faith onely in Christ so plainely also by Mr. Foxe his confession was this chiefe article of the Protestants faith vnknowne and vnheard of during the age next before Luther And thus much briefely to shewe that whereas it is euident and confessed from the Scriptures that the true Churches pastors her administration of the Word and Sacraments must euermore continew yet our aduersaries Church religion administration of of the Word and Sacâ—aments are not knowne so much as but to haue beene in being during the xx yeares next before Luther Whereupon we are to resist and say to them as did the ancient (*) Tertulian in libro de praescript saith Qui est is vos vnde est quando venistis vbi taÌ„ diu latuistis and Augustine l. 3. de Baptismo contr Don. c. 2. saith Vnde ergo donatus apparuit de qua terra germinauit ex quo mari emersit de quo coelo cecidit And Aug. de Vtilit Cred. c. 14. saith to the Manichees vos autem tam pauci tam turbuleÌ„ti tam novi nemini dubiuÌ„ est quoniam nihil dignum auctoritate proferetis Optatus l. 2. contra Parmenianum saith Vestrae Cathedrae originem ostendite qui vobis vultis sanctam Ecclesiam vendicare and Hillarie l. 6. de Trinitate ante med saith tardè mihi hos Pijssimos doctores aetas nunc huius seculi protulit c. and Hierom contra Luciferianos in fine saith ex hoc ipso quod posterius instituti sunt eos se esse indicaÌ„t quos futuros apostolus praenuÌ„ciauit Fathers in like manner to the Heretickes of their times and as did (¶) Luther in Lutheri Loc. Comun class 5 c. 15. pag. 50. ante med saith of the SacrameÌ„taries Sine nobis ante nos nihil erant ne hiscere quidem audebant nunc nostra victoria inflati in nos vertunt impetum Luther him selfe vpon this like ground to our aduersaries the Sacramentaries A FVRTHER DEMONSTRATION Otherwise of the Protestant Churches defection SECT 12. BVT forbearing as now further to prosecute the foresaid euident defection of the Protestantes Church her administration of the Word and Sacraments by reason of the heretofore alledged disparetie or rather contrarietie in doctrine betweene our now Protestants and the foresaid examples of Waldo Wicliffe Husse Luther c. all those other whom our aduersaries haue as hath bene (2) See heretofore for Waldo tract 2. c. 2. sect 3 for Wicliffe sect 4. for Husse sect 5. for Luther sect 10. and for others see sect 7. heretofore perticulerly proued iniustlie pretended to be of their Church we will as yet in further proofe otherwise of their Churches no lesse vnanswerable defection but briefelie put youre MAIESTIE in minde of one onely other point worthye of a much more laboured discource the which being hereby but signified rather then at large entreated of we do neuerthelesse â—n full confidence of the manifest and vnanswerable clearenes therof presume humblie to offer vnto your HIGHNES more retired and seriouse consideration We haue heretofore shewed how that supposing Waldo had bin a ProtestaÌ„t yet was he before his first preaching against the Pope originally a knowne and professed member of our Catholicke Church and the like we haue discouered in Berengarius Peter Bruis Wycliffe Husse Luther c. all whose followers as namely the Berengarians Waldenses Wyâ—leuistes Hussiâ—s Lutheranes â— are in their forenamed seue all Sectmasters from whome they are knowne to haue discended most plainely reducâ—d to a knowne Catholicke begin ng As were in like manner the Aâ—râ—ans Donaâ—ist s Nâ—stâ—rians knowne to haue had their like first begining in Catholickes as in Aâ—ius Dâ—natus Nâ—â—torius who all together with Berengarius Waldo Wy liffe Husse Luther c. were professed members of our Catholicke Church before such time as they (3) 1. Ioh. 2 19. went forth from vs the peculier marke or stigâ—a wherewith the (4) 1. Ioh. â— 19. It is said of heretickes they went out from vs. And Act. 15 24. it is likewise said of them Certaine that went forth froÌ„ vs And Act. 20 30. Out of your owne selues shall arise men speaking perverse things in so muâ—h as our Sauiour forwarneth vs against this departure or going out saying If therefore they shall say vnto you behold he is in the desert goe you not forth Mat. 24 26. See S. Austen vpon these words heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 1. in the margeÌ„t at the figure 2. Scriptures (5) Optatus lib. 1. saith herevpon against the Donatistes videÌ„dum est quis in radice cum toto orbe manserit quis foras exterit quis cathedram sederit alteram quae ante non fuerat c. And S. Augustine tom 8. in Psalm 106. saith quid est ergo seduxit eos dimisit eos in inuâ—o non in via quomodo enim in via homines qui partem tenent totum relinqunt quomodo in via quae est ergo via Aut vbi agnoscitur via Deus inquit mâ—sereatur nostri â— vt agnâ—scamus in terra vtam tuam in qua terra in