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schism_n which_o have_v happen_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n about_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n in_o some_o of_o which_o the_o best_a man_n know_v not_o who_o to_o cleave_v unto_o will_v any_o charitable_a papist_n say_v that_o all_o who_o die_v on_o the_o err_a part_n be_v necessary_o damn_v again_o the_o myriad_n of_o jew_n that_o believe_v in_o christ_n and_o yet_o be_v zealous_a of_o the_o law_n be_v guilty_a of_o this_o crime_n as_o require_v such_o condition_n of_o their_o communion_n which_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v require_v and_o exclude_v man_n from_o it_o upon_o term_n unequal_a and_o yet_o to_o say_v that_o all_o these_o myriad_o who_o through_o weakness_n and_o infirmity_n thus_o err_v do_v perish_v and_o that_o their_o believe_v in_o christ_n serve_v they_o to_o no_o other_o end_n but_o in_o the_o infinity_n of_o their_o torment_n to_o upbraid_v they_o with_o hypocrisy_n and_o heresy_n be_v so_o harsh_a a_o speech_n that_o i_o shall_v not_o be_v very_o hasty_a 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sect._n 8_o sect_n 2._o touch_v infallibility_n in_o fundamental_o be_v a_o strange_a miscarriage_n for_o albeit_o he_o give_v we_o this_o assertion_n in_o italian_a character_n that_o general_a council_n be_v infallible_a in_o fundamental_o yet_o do_v he_o assure_o impose_v upon_o the_o reader_n for_o neither_o the_o archbishop_n nor_o dr._n field_n have_v any_o such_o assertion_n in_o the_o place_n cite_v and_o therefore_o i_o be_o not_o oblige_v to_o consider_v what_o he_o return_v to_o a_o limitation_n which_o be_v frame_v by_o himself_o last_o to_o the_o four_o condition_n that_o there_o appear_v nothing_o sect._n 9_o that_o may_v argue_v a_o unlawful_a proceed_n he_o ask_v still_o who_o shall_v judge_v we_o answ_n who_o be_v it_o that_o judge_v the_o proceed_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n to_o be_v unlawful_a be_v it_o not_o mr._n c_z yea_o 51._o p._n 51._o 2._o be_v it_o not_o evident_a in_o the_o story_n of_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n that_o 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the_o lord_n body_n so_o that_o the_o unworthy_a eater_n of_o the_o bread_n be_v the_o person_n that_o discern_v not_o the_o lord_n body_n 2._o such_o person_n be_v say_v not_o to_o discern_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n because_o they_o deal_v with_o the_o element_n that_o be_v institute_v to_o represent_v his_o body_n and_o blood_n as_o with_o common_a meat_n not_o treat_v they_o with_o address_n proper_a to_o the_o mystery_n so_o saint_n austin_n non_fw-la dijudicat_fw-la 8._o 〈…〉_o c._n 8._o i._n e._n non_fw-la discernit_fw-la à _fw-la caeteris_fw-la cibis_fw-la veneratione_n singulariter_fw-la illi_fw-la debita_fw-la so_o also_o the_o greek_a schol._n upon_o the_o place_n sect._n 3_o but_o our_o author_n proceed_v thus_o if_o the_o change_n be_v not_o in_o the_o element_n but_o in_o the_o receiver_n soul_n that_o be_v if_o the_o element_n be_v not_o transubstantiate_v what_o need_n be_v there_o of_o consecration_n what_o effect_n can_v it_o have_v why_o may_v not_o another_o man_n or_o woman_n as_o well_o as_o a_o priest_n administer_v the_o sacrament_n what_o hinder_v that_o such_o a_o presence_n may_v not_o be_v effect_v every_o dinner_n and_o supper_n answer_n such_o argument_n as_o these_o may_v very_o well_o persuade_v we_o that_o our_o author_n receive_v this_o doctrine_n from_o tradition_n 8_o mâ—_n cressie_n p._n 12â—_n s._n 8_o not_o ratiocination_n as_o before_o he_o tell_v we_o for_o if_o he_o have_v receive_v it_o by_o such_o a_o ratiocination_n his_o baptismal_a water_n must_v necessary_o have_v be_v change_v into_o i_o know_v not_o what_o for_o if_o it_o remain_v water_n still_o may_v not_o i_o ask_v he_o what_o need_v of_o any_o consecration_n to_o become_v sacramental_a what_o effect_n can_v consecration_n have_v upon_o it_o why_o may_v not_o another_o man_n or_o woman_n as_o well_o as_o a_o priest_n administer_v this_o sacrament_n what_o hinder_v but_o we_o may_v have_v such_o a_o presence_n of_o christ_n or_o the_o holy_a spirit_n every_o time_n we_o go_v to_o wash_v ourselves_o this_o haply_o our_o author_n see_v and_o therefore_o he_o dare_v not_o say_v if_o the_o element_n be_v not_o transubstantiate_v but_o if_o the_o change_n be_v not_o in_o the_o element_n which_o we_o grant_v it_o be_v the_o bread_n be_v no_o long_o common_a bread_n but_o holy_a separate_v from_o a_o profane_a use_n to_o a_o sacred_a it_o be_v now_o become_v a_o instrument_n to_o convey_v the_o benefit_n of_o christ_n death_n which_o before_o it_o be_v not_o represent_v christ_n break_a body_n which_o before_o it_o do_v not_o but_o three_o to_o make_v a_o little_a sport_n with_o his_o demonstration_n tell_v i_o be_v there_o no_o use_n of_o consecration_n but_o to_o transubstantiate_v what_o be_v their_o holy-water_n be_v all_o their_o bell_n their_o holy_a relic_n and_o image_n transubstantiate_a second_o have_v christ_n require_v the_o consecration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n shall_v be_v do_v by_o a_o priest_n or_o not_o if_o not_o then_o let_v he_o tell_v i_o why_o a_o master_n of_o a_o family_n may_v not_o consecrate_v these_o element_n as_o well_o as_o the_o paschal_n lamb_n if_o he_o have_v require_v it_o then_o sure_o whether_o transubstantiation_n be_v true_a or_o false_a it_o can_v be_v effect_v by_o a_o laic_a but_o three_o tell_v i_o what_o be_v the_o bread_n we_o eat_v at_o dinner_n the_o bread_n break_v for_o we_o be_v the_o wine_n the_o papist_n drink_v on_o their_o fasting-dai_n the_o blood_n shed_v for_o the_o remission_n of_o their_o sin_n do_v man_n by_o eat_v and_o drink_v remember_v christ_n death_n till_o he_o come_v have_v they_o any_o promise_n of_o such_o blessing_n from_o the_o partake_n of_o their_o common_a bread_n as_o sacramental_a if_o not_o why_o do_v our_o author_n trouble_v we_o with_o such_o a_o frivolous_a comparison_n he_o next_o proceed_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n out_o of_o the_o father_n sect._n 4_o and_o thus_o he_o begin_v sect._n 10._o in_o all_o ancient_a liturgy_n that_o be_v all_o spurious_a one_o as_o blondel_n himself_o and_o for_o your_o better_a direction_n you_o may_v see_v the_o name_n of_o blondel_n in_o the_o margin_n without_o any_o addition_n of_o book_n or_o chapter_n though_o a_o huguenot_n confess_v the_o prayer_n for_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o element_n be_v that_o god_n will_v by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n sanctify_v the_o element_n whereby_o the_o bread_n may_v be_v make_v the_o body_n and_o wine_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o for_o this_o he_o cite_v st._n basils_n liturgy_n cyrill_n hieros_n mystag_n catech._n after_o that_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a cyrill_n alexand._n ep._n ad_fw-la calosyr_n and_o greg._n nyssen_n orat._n catech._n and_o here_o we_o have_v all_o that_o pretend_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n except_o optatus_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o altar_n be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n now_o the_o mischief_n be_v first_o that_o all_o these_o author_n unless_o we_o may_v except_v cyrill_a of_o alexandria_n be_v spurious_a and_o have_v be_v prove_v so_o by_o dr._n hoyle_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o popish_a friar_n and_o some_o other_o and_o first_o as_o for_o saint_n basils_n liturgy_n sect._n 5_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o even_o bellarmine_n himself_o dare_v not_o reckon_v it_o among_o st._n basils_n work_n second_o in_o this_o liturgy_n be_v appoint_v to_o be_v sing_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o hymn_n council_n see_v the_o epistâ—h_n of_o the_o same_o felix_n to_o peter_n bishop_n of_o antioch_n and_o zeno_n the_o empetor_n in_o the_o second_o tâ—mb_n of_o the_o council_n which_o begin_v to_o be_v sing_v in_o the_o church_n about_o the_o time_n of_o felix_n the_o three_o who_o live_v anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 480._o whereas_o basil_n flourish_v anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 370._o or_o thereabouts_o it_o mention_n confessor_n after_o martyr_n whereas_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o confess_v they_o be_v not_o mention_v in_o their_o office_n till_o after_o the_o day_n of_o this_o st._n basil_n these_o and_o many_o other_o thing_n you_o may_v find_v against_o it_o in_o mornaeus_n and_o cocus_n and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n second_o as_o for_o the_o catechism_n of_o cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n sect._n 6_o he_o tell_v we_o p._n 467_o 468._o that_o even_a papist_n themselves_o ascribe_v it_o to_o one_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n that_o live_v about_o 400_o hundred_o year_n after_o yea_o even_o gretser_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o have_v see_v a_o manuscript_n which_o ascribe_v these_o catechisâ—res_n to_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n yea_o in_o the_o greek_a library_n which_o the_o city_n of_o augusta_n buy_v of_o antonius_n governor_n of_o corcyra_n this_o book_n go_v under_o the_o same_o title_n the_o mistogogi_n call_v catechism_n of_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o the_o index_n of_o these_o book_n do_v evidence_n nor_o do_v the_o butter_n
will_v not_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n because_o not_o unite_v to_o some_o organical_a part_n of_o it_o yea_o 2._o in_o the_o day_n of_o elijah_n there_o will_v have_v be_v no_o church_n there_o be_v no_o such_o organical_a body_n and_o 3._o under_o the_o prevail_a of_o arrianisme_n those_o righteous_a soul_n who_o renounce_v communion_n with_o the_o arrian_n and_o flee_v into_o den_n and_o cave_n must_v have_v renounce_v the_o church_n catholic_n as_o be_v member_n of_o no_o such_o organical_a body_n now_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_n can_v be_v external_a which_o mr._n c._n every_o where_o supposeer_n and_o take_v for_o grant_v but_o only_a internal_a or_o that_o of_o faith_n and_o charity_n and_o consequent_o to_o prove_v our_o separation_n from_o the_o holy_a catholic_n church_n it_o must_v be_v prove_v that_o we_o have_v not_o that_o faith_n obedience_n and_o charity_n which_o be_v requisite_a to_o make_v we_o member_n of_o that_o church_n which_o be_v a_o task_n so_o hard_o that_o mr._n c._n dare_v not_o set_v upon_o it_o 3._o sect._n 4_o that_o to_o be_v unite_v in_o external_a communion_n with_o some_o such_o part_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_n can_v be_v necessary_a to_o my_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o 9_o mr._n chill_a p._n 255._o sect_n 9_o this_o be_v evident_a 1._o from_o the_o instance_n now_o produce_v 2._o because_o a_o man_n unjust_o excommunicate_v be_v not_o in_o the_o church_n external_a communion_n and_o yet_o he_o be_v still_o a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o this_o also_o strengthen_v the_o former_a corollary_n 4._o sect._n 5_o 264._o id._n p._n 264._o that_o not_o every_o separation_n but_o only_o a_o causeless_a separation_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o any_o church_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n this_o we_o have_v sufficient_o prove_v above_o whence_o it_o evident_o follow_v that_o those_o protestant_n who_o say_n they_o forsake_v the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o church_n visible_a that_o be_v renounce_v the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o some_o few_o thing_n which_o all_o visible_a communion_n beside_o they_o do_v believe_v and_o practice_v can_v precise_o upon_o this_o account_n lie_v under_o the_o imputation_n of_o the_o sin_n of_o schism_n any_o more_o than_o the_o seven_o thousand_o that_o refuse_v to_o bow_v the_o knee_n to_o baal_n or_o those_o in_o the_o primitive_a time_n that_o refuse_v communion_n with_o the_o arrian_n church_n as_o do_v it_o upon_o conviction_n from_o scripture_n reason_n and_o antiquity_n that_o all_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o the_o world_n have_v in_o these_o observance_n swerve_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n reason_n and_o antiquity_n which_o be_v every_o where_o their_o plea._n 32._o mr._n chil._n p._n 265._o sect_n 32._o now_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o to_o leave_v the_o church_n and_o to_o leave_v her_o external_a communion_n be_v not_o the_o same_o that_o be_v do_v by_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o that_o be_v by_o cease_v to_o have_v faith_n and_o obedience_n the_o requisite_n to_o make_v we_o such_o which_o can_v never_o be_v necessary_a this_o by_o refuse_v to_o communicate_v with_o any_o church_n in_o her_o liturgy_n and_o public_a worship_n and_o indeed_o be_v these_o the_o same_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n follow_v that_o no_o two_o church_n divide_v in_o external_a communion_n can_v be_v both_o true_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n 50._o mr._n chil._n p._n 271_o sect_n 50._o and_o consequent_o that_o either_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o be_v thus_o divide_v from_o all_o other_o christian_n be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n or_o which_o be_v more_o uncharitable_a that_o all_o the_o church_n of_o christendom_n beside_o she_o must_v be_v exclude_v from_o be_v part_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_n as_o be_v divide_v in_o external_a communion_n from_o the_o roman_a yea_o when_o the_o western_a and_o eastern_a church_n refuse_v communion_n with_o each_o other_o one_o of_o they_o present_o must_v be_v exclude_v from_o the_o catholic_n church_n yea_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o either_o there_o be_v some_o particular_a church_n that_o be_v by_o promise_n from_o god_n free_v from_o ever_o admit_v any_o superstition_n or_o corruption_n into_o her_o liturgy_n and_o public_a service_n or_o else_o that_o to_o separate_v from_o superstition_n and_o corruption_n creep_v into_o these_o particular_a church_n be_v to_o become_v no_o church_n which_o be_v as_o ridiculous_a as_o to_o say_v that_o to_o purge_v any_o person_n from_o those_o distemper_n which_o other_o labour_v under_o be_v to_o unman_v he_o indeed_o i_o know_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n pretend_v to_o be_v the_o guide_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o other_o to_o be_v secure_v from_o these_o corruption_n and_o consequent_o to_o be_v the_o root_n of_o union_n to_o other_o true_a orthodox_n church_n but_o this_o pretence_n be_v so_o assault_v by_o mr._n chil._n 20._o p._n 337._o sect_n 20._o that_o i_o be_o confident_a they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o stand_v out_o against_o the_o evidence_n of_o his_o reason_n thus_o than_o he_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o any_o christian_a heart_n can_v believe_v that_o not_o one_o among_o all_o the_o apostle_n who_o be_v man_n very_o good_a and_o desirous_a to_o direct_v we_o in_o the_o sure_a way_n to_o heaven_n instruct_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o all_o necessary_a point_n of_o faith_n and_o therefore_o certain_o not_o ignorant_a of_o this_o most_o necessary_a point_n of_o faith_n shall_v add_v rei_fw-la memoriam_fw-la write_v this_o necessary_a doctrine_n plain_o so_o much_o as_o once_o certain_o in_o all_o reason_n they_o have_v provide_v much_o better_o for_o the_o good_a of_o christian_n if_o they_o have_v write_v this_o though_o they_o have_v write_v nothing_o else_o methinks_v the_o evangelist_n undertake_v to_o write_v the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n can_v not_o possible_o have_v omit_v any_o one_o of_o they_o especial_o this_o most_o necessary_a point_n of_o faith_n have_v they_o know_v it_o necessary_a st._n luke_n especial_o who_o plain_o profess_v that_o his_o intent_n be_v to_o write_v all_o thing_n necessary_a methinks_v st._n paul_n write_v to_o the_o roman_n can_v not_o but_o have_v congratulate_v this_o their_o privilege_n to_o they_o methinks_v instead_o of_o say_v your_o faith_n be_v speak_v of_o all_o the_o world_n over_o which_o he_o say_v also_o of_o the_o thessalonian_o he_o can_v not_o have_v fail_v to_o have_v tell_v they_o once_o at_o least_o in_o plain_a term_n that_o their_o faith_n be_v the_o rule_n for_o all_o the_o world_n for_o ever_o but_o then_o sure_o he_o will_v not_o have_v put_v they_o in_o fear_n of_o a_o impossibility_n as_o he_o do_v chap._n 11._o that_o they_o also_o nay_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o gentile_n if_o they_o do_v not_o look_v to_o their_o stand_n may_v fall_v away_o to_o infidelity_n as_o the_o jew_n and_o do_v methinks_v in_o all_o his_o other_o epistle_n or_o at_o least_o in_o one_o of_o they_o he_o can_v not_o have_v fail_v to_o have_v give_v the_o world_n this_o direction_n have_v he_o know_v it_o to_o have_v be_v true_a that_o all_o man_n be_v to_o be_v guide_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o none_o to_o separate_v from_o it_o under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n methinks_v write_v so_o often_o of_o heretic_n and_o antichrist_n he_o shall_v have_v give_v the_o world_n this_o as_o you_o pretend_v only_o sure_a preservative_n from_o they_o how_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o st._n peter_n write_v two_o catholic_n epistle_n mention_v his_o own_o departure_n write_v to_o preserve_v christian_n in_o the_o faith_n shall_v in_o neither_o of_o they_o commend_v they_o to_o the_o guidance_n of_o his_o pretend_a successor_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n how_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o st._n james_n and_o st._n judas_n in_o their_o catholic_n epistle_n shall_v not_o give_v this_o catholic_n 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