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A61458 The church of Rome not sufficiently defended from her apostacy, heresie, and schisme as appears by an answer to certain quæries, printed in a book entituled Fiat Lux, and sent transcribed (as 'tis suppos'd) from thence by a Romanist to a priest of the Church of England. Whereunto are annexed the Romanist's reply to the Protestant's Answer, and the Protestant's rejoynder to that reply. By P.S. D.D. Samways, Peter, 1615-1693. 1663 (1663) Wing S545B; ESTC R222361 39,609 116

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son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v fail_v to_o attain_v that_o constant_o frame_v their_o life_n according_a to_o her_o sound_n and_o orthodox_n doctrine_n and_o that_o be_v no_o less_o than_o the_o certain_a salvation_n of_o your_o soul_n i_o rest_v sir_n your_o most_o humble_a servant_n p._n samwaies_o errata_fw-la read_v etc._n etc._n but_o insert_v what_o be_v thus_o mark_v in_o the_o epist_n amuse_v page_n 3._o line_n 6._o in_o p._n 10._o l._n 5._o from_o ibid._n l._n 25._o obstinate_a p._n 16._o l._n 24._o latin_n p._n 17._o l._n 8._o condemn_a p._n 18._o l._n 5._o unlimited_a p._n 23._o l._n 21._o of_o rome_n p._n 29._o l._n 10._o reply_v p._n 37._o l._n 7._o debeitam_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi p._n 38._o spec_fw-la alia_fw-la ibid._n recess_n p._n 41._o l._n 5_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n l._n 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n reason_v p._n 42._o l._n 9_o bishop_n p._n 45._o l._n 12._o the_o ib._n l._n 20._o antecessores_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 48._o jacobasius_n ib._n l._n 16._o vim_o in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 51._o diminish_v p._n 52._o l._n 1._o think_v ib._n l._n 21._o &_o in_o mark_fw-mi ib._n magnopere_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 53._o cred_fw-mi tum_fw-la ib._n photius_n ib._n l._n 26._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n franofurdiensi_fw-la in_o m._n p._n 55_o hinemarus_fw-la ib._n l._n 25._o pithaeus_n p._n 56._o habita_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi ib._n deal_n ib._n germancrun_v &_o apostolici_fw-la ibid._n a_o p._n 57_o l._n 20._o ex._n 20.4_o 5._o p._n 58._o l._n 17_o martyrib_n in_fw-it mark_fw-mi p._n 62._o quoniam_fw-la in_o m._n p._n 63._o dominico_n ib._n plebi_fw-la ib._n chrysost_n p._n 67._o l._n 8._o nyssen_n ibid._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ib._n quia_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi p._n 76._o duodececim_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 78._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 79._o l._n 17._o ancient_a p._n 80._o l._n 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 83._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n sometime_o p._n 84._o l._n 26_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 87._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n any_o jurisdiction_n p._n 89._o lin_v 23._o what_o other_o error_n of_o the_o press_n beside_o these_o here_o note_v the_o reader_n shall_v observe_v he_o be_v desire_v candid_o to_o correct_v the_o invalidity_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n plea_n against_o her_o apostasy_n heresy_n &_o schism_n as_o appear_v by_o a_o protestant_n answer_v to_o certain_a query_n etc._n etc._n the_o romanist_n query_n it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v once_o a_o most_o pure_a excellent_a flourish_a and_o mother-church_n this_o church_n can_v not_o cease_v to_o be_v such_o but_o she_o must_v fall_v either_o by_o apostasy_n heresy_n or_o schism_n first_o apostasy_n be_v not_o only_o a_o renounce_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o very_a name_n and_o title_n of_o christianity_n 435._o 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habita_fw-la &_o falso_fw-la septima_fw-la vocata_fw-la ab_fw-la episcopis_fw-la damnatur_fw-la chamler_n de_fw-fr imag_n to_o 2._o lib._n 21._o c._n 14._o p._n 855._o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o in_o the_o year_n 594_o there_o be_v a_o synod_n call_v at_o frankford_n where_o foelix_n be_v condemn_v and_o the_o pseudo_fw-la synod_n of_o the_o greek_n that_o establish_v image-worship_n be_v false_o call_v the_o seven_o be_v cersure_v by_o the_o bishop_n so_o the_o life_n of_o charles_n the_o great_a publish_v by_o the_o same_o pythaeus_n so_o ado_n and_o other_o g._n cassander_n in_o his_o 29_o epistle_n to_o john_n molinaeu●_n give_v he_o a_o ample_a account_n of_o the_o 4_o book_n write_v by_o the_o authority_n and_o under_o the_o name_n of_o charles_n the_o french_a king_n the_o whole_a council_n of_o frankford_n consent_v to_o the_o content_n of_o they_o which_o be_v send_v to_o the_o pope_n against_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a it_o be_v the_o best_a course_n 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authority_n but_o of_o perpetual_a infamy_n through_o all_o age_n after_o in_o the_o church_n because_o it_o establish_v arianism_n what_o therefore_o st._n augustine_n say_v in_o his_o dispute_n with_o maximinus_n the_o arrian_n bishop_n when_o the_o first_o nicene_n council_n may_v be_v plead_v for_o the_o catholic_n as_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n be_v for_o the_o arrian_n that_o may_v i_o say_v in_o the_o present_a controversy_n as_o to_o the_o second_o nicene_n and_o the_o council_n of_o frankford_n 733._o frankford_n nec_fw-la ego_fw-la nicenum_n nec_fw-la tu_fw-la debes_fw-la ariminense_fw-la tanquam_fw-la praedicaturus_fw-la proffer_v concilium_fw-la nec_fw-la ego_fw-la huius_fw-la authoritate_fw-la nec_fw-la tu_fw-la illius_fw-la detineris_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la authoritatibus_fw-la non_fw-la quorunque_fw-la propriis_fw-la sed_fw-la utrique_fw-la communibus_fw-la testibus_fw-la resi_fw-la cum_fw-la re_fw-la causa_fw-la cum_fw-la caulâ_fw-la ratio_fw-la cum_fw-la 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the_o reply_a grant_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v sufficient_o condemn_v though_o not_o by_o a_o general_n council_n if_o the_o diffusive_a body_n of_o the_o church_n do_v condemn_v she_o and_o this_o be_v easy_a to_o demonstrate_v from_o the_o first_o age_n of_o the_o church_n which_o own_v none_o of_o those_o doctrine_n that_o the_o papist_n
at_o this_o day_n maintain_v against_o the_o catholic_n all_v the_o world_n over_o out_o of_o their_o own_o communion_n be_v it_o not_o evident_a by_o st._n cyprian_n 63._o epist_n that_o the_o people_n receive_v the_o cup_n coecilum_n cup_n quorum_fw-la quidem_fw-la vel_fw-la ignorantèr_fw-la vel_fw-la simplicitèr_fw-la in_o calice_n domino_fw-la sanctificando_fw-la &_o plaebi_fw-la administrando_fw-la non_fw-la hoc_fw-la faciunt_fw-la quod_fw-la jesus_n christu●_n dominus_fw-la &_o deus_fw-la noster_fw-la sacrificii_fw-la huius_fw-la author_n &_o doctor_n fecit_fw-la &_o docuit_fw-la religiosum_fw-la paritèr_fw-la &_o necestarium_fw-la duxi_fw-la de_fw-la hoc_fw-la ad_fw-la vos_fw-la literas_fw-la facere_fw-la cipt._n ep._n 63._o ad_fw-la coecilum_n because_o some_o either_o out_o of_o ignorance_n or_o simplicity_n do_v not_o that_o in_o consecrate_v the_o eucharistical_a cup_n and_o administer_a it_o to_o the_o people_n mark_v no_o half_a communion_n serve_v the_o people_n in_o 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ambrose_n as_o plain_o teach_v that_o what_o mutation_n be_v wrought_v by_o consecration_n be_v mystical_a and_o not_o such_o as_o the_o romanist_n fancy_n gross_a and_o corpoporeall_a when_o speak_v of_o the_o operative_a virtue_n of_o christ_n word_n he_o say_v 4._o say_v si_fw-mi tanta_fw-la vis_fw-la est_fw-la in_o sermone_fw-la domini_fw-la jesus_n ut_fw-la inciperent_fw-la esse_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la erant_fw-la quamtò_fw-la magis_fw-la operatorius_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la fint_fw-la quae_fw-la crant_fw-la &_o in_o aliud_fw-la commutentur_fw-la ambr._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacr._n c._n 4._o if_o therefore_o there_o be_v so_o great_a efficacy_n in_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n that_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o by_o virtue_n thereof_o shall_v begin_v to_o be_v how_o much_o more_o effectual_a be_v it_o to_o cause_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v to_o be_v and_o yet_o to_o be_v change_v into_o somewhat_o else_o id_fw-la est_fw-la to_o continue_v natural_o what_o 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