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A41212 A compendious discourse upon the case, as it stands between the Church of England and of Rome on the one hand, and again between the same Church of England and those congregations which have divided from it on the other hand together with the treatise of the division of the English church and the Romish, upon the Reformation / enlarged with some explicatory additionalls by H.F. ... Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1655 (1655) Wing F790; ESTC R5674 55,518 166

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A Compendious DISCOURSE UPON THE CASE As it stands between the Church of England and of Rome on the one hand and again between the same Church of England and those Congregations which have divided from it on the other hand TOGETHER WITH The Treatise of the Division of the English Church and the Romish upon the REFORMATION Enlarged with some Explicatory Additionalls By H. F. D.D. LONDON Printed by J. G. for R. Royston at the Anstel in Ivy-lane 1655. To the READER BE pleased to understand that for amending not a few faults escaped in the first Edition of the Treatise touching The Division of the English and Romish Church upon the Reformation the Printer intended a second In order to which the Corrections were sent up to him with some explicatory Additionalls but other more necessary imployments intervening caused him to lay it aside and when I thought he had forgotten it and was willing he should doe so he lets me know he had reprinted some sheets of it I did not like he should after almost two years suppression send it abroad with no more advantage it came therefore into my minde to draw up the Case into a more compendious and methodicall Discourse and to adde the other part of the Case as it stands betweene us and those that have divided from us still making references to the like points and passages as they lye scattered in the Two Treatises before printed This of the Division c. and that other of Certain considerations touching this Church What is here done is intended and accordingly contrived with such brevity and plainnesse as the Cause would well permit for satisfaction of those who not acquainted with large Controversies are ready to receive the instruction given them and being still in the Vnity and Communion of this Chu are willing to continue therein notwithstanding the Temptations on both sides or else following the seduction of the one side or the other Romish or Sectarian in the simplicity of their hearts are not unwilling to return upon discovery of the Error and danger of their Way Which that they may see I pray God in time to open their Eyes ERRATA PAge 15. l. 28. adde former p. 24. l. 11. after serving God adde Rom. 12. 1. p. 28. l. 15. for or Western r. and Western l. 25. after of which tima adde i. e. of the four first generall Councels p. 31. l. 20. for Christ alwayes r. and alwayes p. 45. l. 27. after yet adde they think p. 49. l. 13. for Act r. Article p. 54. l. 6. for of r. or p. 87. ult. for preserving r. preventing p. 111. 16. for understanding r. undervaluing p. 122. l. 25. for know r. knew p. 126. l. 11. for that may r. that they may p. 129. l. 25. for his r. their p. 136. l. 15. for the old Prophet r. old Prophets p. 144. for cares r. jarres A Compendious Discourse upon the case as it stands between the Church of England and of Rome on the one side And again between the same Church of England and those who have divided from it on the other §. I. The Church of England I Need not premise any thing for distinguishing the three Parties concerned in this case They are too much at odds and their differences too many and notorious yet lest there be a mistake in Names because all the Sects in this Nation call themselves Churches and Churches of England therefore by the Church of England is understood the Church of Christ in this Land established upon the Reformation holding out her Doctrine and Government in the 39. Articles her Liturgy and Publick Divine Service in the Book of Common-Prayer and all those are called Sectaries and are proved so to be who of what perswasion soever have departed from or refused to hold communion with this Church upon dislike of Doctrine Government Liturgy Rites and Ceremonies or any of these The Church of England standing thus between the Church of Rome on the one hand and the aforesaid Sects which have divided from it on the other hand is challenged and assaulted by both put now to defend it self against both Which brings to mind the Device of some Romanist who to make himself merry has pictured an English Protestant standing between a Papist and an Independent borrowing Arguments and Reasons from the One to oppose or answer the Other Against the Papists he must plead as do all Sectaries Invisibility of the Church Scripture alone Liberty of private judgment against other Sects he must help himself by urging as do the Papists the visible condition of the Church the Authority of it Catholick Tradition and Practice and the Succession of Bishops and Pastors Well the Romanists may thus seemingly please themselves but indeed This of all other Reformed Churches has been and is by reason of its most regular Reformation their great eye-sore and heart-sorrow And the English Protestant or obedient Son of the Church of England as he is well set between a Papist and Sectarie as between two Extremes so he onely is able to stand against the opposition or pretensions of both for if we examine the false Grounds and deceiving Principles of Both as to this point of the Constitution Government and Communion of the Church we shall clearly see the Truth lyes in the midst between both and the Church of ENGLAND holds and maintains it To give some Instances §. II. First instance in Holy and Catholick I. The Church of Christ according to the Article of our Beliefe is One Holy Catholick The Romanists run away with the name Catholick appropriating it to themselves and every Sect with the title Holy holding themselves the only Congregations of Saints And as the Romanists enforce the name Catholick to the prejudice of the Title Holy admitting no Church to be Catholick that will not defile it self with their errors and corruptions So Sectaries under pretence of advancing Holinesse and purity and of gathering a Holy Church and assembly of known Saints overthrow the Catholick and draw the Church of Christ into a corner confining it to their own Sect or perswasion Now see the Church of England in the midst which by a most regular and warrantable Reformation had respect to both and in relation to the title Holy provided for purity of Doctrine and worship so that there can be no just complaint of Errors retained and for purity of life by coercion of Ecclesiasticall censure so that no scandalous or notorious offender should be suffered So in relation to the title Catholick this Church did retain as for Belief so for practice whatever had that stamp of Consent of all Ages upon it not confining the Church of Christ within the bounds of her perswasion but leaving it stil Catholick and communicable to all such Christian Assemblies as doe not wilfully cut themselves off but are careful so far as they have means to hold the Vnity of faith with the bond of charity which is necessary
in Civil but Ecclesiastical things did justly vindicate their Crowns to the power and dignity due unto them and their Churches to the Liberty and Independency which as abovesaid belongs to every National Church having within it the whole Subordination of Ecclesiastical Government To conclude Seeing by Reformation we cast out as we had just cause Error and Corruptions crept in upon the Christian Faith and Worship and retained what ever was Catholick we cannot be accused of Heresie Seeing also by the same Reformation we cast off the yoak of an usurped Jurisdiction and vindicated this National Church to the just Liberty we cannot incur the guilt of Schisme for that breach of Communion which followed either upon our ceasing to hold and practice with them in the aforesaid corruptions or upon our denying farther obedience to that usurped Authority cannot be imputed to us who had just cause for doing it and used just Authority in the doing But if that breach of communion which followed be Schisme the guilt of it rests upon the Church of Rome in generall and on all English Romanists in speciall according to the severall consideration of Schisme above 3. as it falls between two National Churches or between any National Church and the Members thereof When between two National Churches that Church stands guilty which gives the cause and peremptorily prosecutes it So the Church of Rome did by imposing under pretence of Infallibility and therefore incorrigible her own doctrines pronouncing all those to be Heretiques that did not receive them and by usurping Universal Jurisdiction concluding them Schismatiques that did not obey But the guilt of Schisme lyes upon all English Romanists holding to that Church as upon Members dividing themselves from the body and communion of their National Church and this concerns not onely those who have revolted from this Church to the Romish but such as alwayes professed themselves to be of that Church it falls upon these not for desertion or separation but for Recusancie or their fefusing the communion of their National Church and adhering to a forreign Jurisdiction which is contrary to the way and order which the ancient Church took for preserving Unity and excluding Schisme by no means suffering such disobedience and division of the Members of any National Church where that Church did not divide it self from the Catholick or give cause as the Church of Rome has done §. VIII Second case as to those that have divided from this Chur Now to the consideration of the Case as it stands between the true Reformed Church of England and Those who of what perswasion soever have divided from the communion of it By that which has been said it is evident the Reformation made by this National Church was most just and regular taking for the Rule Gods Word with the consent and practice of the Ancient Church and thereupon rejecting no more than was necessary and retaining what wns usefull shewing therein a due zeal of Truth together with Christian Prudence and Charity to the taking away just cause of Complaint from all distempered Zelots and giving fair occasion of conviction and allurement to those of the Romish perswasion from whom we differ when they shall duly consider there was no more Difference made than needs must Whereas others who have endeavoured Reformation out of a misguided zeal taking for their Rule an opposition to the Church of Rome rather than a conformity to Gods Word and the Consent of Primitive Times have cast out for Popery many things Episcopal Government Set Forms of Liturgy Kneeling at the Communion and the like which were most undenyably before Popery was hatched in the world Now these being cast out upon that score by Heady Reformers who call themselves Protestants Protestors indeed against many Truths the Papist takes them up and thanks such Reformers for yeelding such Truth to be Popery and so he remains more confirmed in his way and hath more cause of offence at Reformed Protestants were they indeed to be measured by such irregular proceedings The Romanists know this well enough and are sensible of the difference between the Reformation or Establishment of the Church of England and all other pretensions and therefore have made it alwayes their main design to undermine this Protestant Church so wel established and in these dayes the Emissaries of Rome have been very active to help forward a confusion joyning themselves if there be truth in that which so many have reported on their knowledge to Sects of severall Perswasions for the pulling down what was and advancing their pretended Reformations Not that the Romanist approves them but because he knows that if the Church of England established on such sure grounds can by any means be subverted the other unbottom'd Reformations will fall of themselves or stand at no stay to the shame of the Religion they professe and so make fair way for the Romish Religion to come in through their breaches or over their ruines and find more generall entertainment It is the Tempters Policy and indeed his Master-piece when he must act an Angel of Light and must make his advantage of those that are come to some sense of Religion or at least to a conceit they are religiously disposed to lead them on by false Lights and make them over-act their parts by a mis-guided zeal to a quarrelling with their Governours and slighting all former Reformations under pretence of Purity and Reformation til in pursuit of that purity and seeking out a more Reformed Assembly or purer Church they run themselves clean out of the Church and yet carry it with them Whither they are run that have left us let them look to it It is our work now to shew and I wish they would sadly consider it what they have incurred by leaving us no lesse than the guilt of Schisme which lies heavily on as many as have of what perswasion or Sect soever wilfully divided themselves from the communion of the Church of England Whether they doe this as above premised by a bare Separation or by adding Violence and Sacriledge to it in pulling down and as much as lies in their power destroying what was established that they may set up their owne forme and way of Government and publick Worship I said divide themselves wilfully to lessen the guilt of those that follow the Schisme in the simplicity of their hearts deceived with the faire pretences of Religion and Purity which they could not at first see through but if they will not use their eyes and carefully look into their way if they will not use the best meanes they can for discovering the obliquity and danger of that way and so returne from it they lye under the same guilt with those they follow and will with them fall into the ditch Also we must note here the difference of the Case between us and them from that with the Church of Rome which will at first sight shew the impertinencie of the
acknowledgement of that speciall exhibition Christ makes of himselfe there and in sense of his own unworthiness what Christian that understands himself could accuse these of superstition and Popery or not rather approve them as significant and seemly expressions of Christian devotion There is a Custom of uncovering the head at the coming in of light if this be done with thankfulnesse of soul for the light of the Gospel and desire of enjoying the light of heaven what harm Is it not lawfull yea Christian-like to glorify God on all occasions for the comming in of the light is but an occasional remembrance Let me put it to them farther should a Papist when he uncovers the head or bows the body at the sight of a Crosse doe it out of hearty thankfulness to God for redemption by Christ Crucified making the Crosse no object of the Worship but only the sight of it an occasionall remembrance and motive would there be any thing in this unbeseeming a Christian I cannot but say it concerns a Christian often to remember and thankfully to acknowledge Gods mercies upon any occasion and if the inward worship which stands in such due acknowledgments of the heart may upon occasionall remembrances be given then may the outward expression also by uncovering the head or bowing the body unlesse prudence out of respect of time or place forbid it for Religion will not And to come a little more home to those that are so ready to cry superstition should any one of them escape a shipwrack or hazard of battail or be redeemed out of Turkish slavery and so oft as he hears of other mens suffering in any of these kindes or so oft as he sees a ship safe in harbour or lookes on the Armour he wore in that battel or on the Chain he bore in Captivity should be so oft uncovering his head lift up his heart to God in thankfull acknowledgement of the blessing and desire of farther Protection would there be any thing in this but what beseems a good Christian when as neither words heard nor things seen are made any object of the worship but accasionall remembrances and motives How much rather may this be done when we hear that name which carries salvation in it see those things which minde us of the greatest mercies and therefore may move us and all this the more if the Prudence and Authority of the Ch has so determined I have enlarged this discourse to instances beyond the enjoyned Rites and practises of this Church to meet with that vain plea of superstition and Popery charged upon it for the better countenancing of the Schism made and the sacriledge committed in these our dayes §. XXII Cause of their several Error that have divided from this Church To winde up all By that which has been said it may appear what is the Cause of this Error which carries so many such severall wayes from the Communion of this Church and what the Issue of it The Cause is their misunderstanding of the Rule by which they should be guided First of the supreme Rule the Scripture which for faith and substance of worship is a set and punctuall Rule not so for other matters of practice Secondly of the next and as I may say Secundary Rule the witnesse of Vniversall Custome practice or Tradition which as unfolded above 2. 13. is the best externall proof of Scripture so also the best expositor of it bringing down nothing as of the substance of Faith and Worship but what is clearly grounded on Scripture and giving clear light to those darker passages in scripture which concern the beginnings of some Practises which were to continue in the Church as Infant● baptism Observation of Lords day Easter Pentecost Episcopal Government Thirdly thein misunderstanding of the Authority of the present Church defining in matters of faith and worship according to direct Scripture and decreeing in other matters according to prudence but in both having respect to and in a due sort guided by Vniversal consent or Tradition of the Catholique Church viz. the Doctrines that have been always taught and the Customes or Practices alwayes observed therein For let men forsake the guidance of these Rules and what remains but the extravagancie of a private judgement and what can follow but error upon error and what can be the issue of that but remedilesse consasion Hence have we so many private interpretations of Scripture broached instead of Catholick doctrine Circumstantials of Worship taken for Substance and thereupon the lawfull Worship of the Church ignorantly charged with Superstition And for matters of Practice some will have all practices observed they meet with in Scrip Some not all but not any else save what is there Lastly upon the like mis-understanding they cast out the perpetuall government of the Church but cannot agree what to set up in this as in many other things following their private judgement destitute of the guidance of the former Rules and therefore upon necessity disagreeing one destroying what the other would build yet all pretending for Satan is here an Angel of light to set up the Discipline Scepter and Kingdome of Christ and to advance Purity of Religion This was the pretence of all Schismaticks and it is the Master-piece of Satans cunning as above noted 8. to set men on work under that pretence but with mis-guided zeal to purge reform refine a Church and to out-strip others in that zeal till they have brought all to confusion But we should not be ignorant of his devices as the Apostle warns them in a case not much unlike 2 Cor. 2. 11. for Satan was there playing his part as an Angel of light under the pretence and covert of severity and strictnesse against the Incestuous person as he did after in the Novation Schismaticks These his devices we might indeed have seen in those Ancient Schismaticks Montanists Novatians Donatists and in those more irregular of the last Age Anabaptists Libertines Familists and the like whose Errors and Follies were well silenced by Learned Protestant Writers but now broken out again when that which did let the Civil and Ecclesiastical Authority was taken away or so weakned that it could not stop the inundation of former Errors and exorbitant phansies flowing back upon us from every corner into which they had retired and working apparently to confusion to a levelling upon levelling as in the State so in the Church-government and affairs The consideration of the first is not to my present purpose but as for the businesse of the Church and Religion I cannot but note How they who first pretended to Reformation by Covenant obliging themselves and others and conceiving that Cov. in such generall terms as might engage men of all sects and perswasions to joyn with them in pulling down what was establisht invading the means and revenues belonging to Cathedral Churches did not or would not I pray God they may yet see Satans device by like principles
their or the like Principles may in time consider it and not think it enough to say the Lord be glorified because they prosper and are become rich but rather enquire whether that they have done be as to their private advantage and gain so to the behoofe of Gods Church and the advancement of true Religion and whether the Lord to whom they have so oft appealed by their Fasts and Thanksgivings can indeed own their doings as making for his glory certainly the Lord must deny himself which he will not do if he own Injustice Schisme and Sacriledge Hee forbeares a while and keepes silence for Causes best known to himself and men prospering by those sins think he is such a one as themselves approving their doings but he will reprove them and set before them what they have done He will appeare and they shall be ashamed If such considerations as these prevaile not with them that doe gain by the formentioned sins yet let the word of exhortation take hold upon you all you that have followed the Schism in the simplicity of your hearts not engaged by any design of gain or self-interest but only deceived with the pretence of Purity in Gods worship and of strictnesse of life Doe not make your selves guilty of other mens sins sins that cannot stand with Righteousnesse or that Charity which the Apostle requires so strictly 1 Cor. 13. without which all your other supposed Purity Faith or Knowledge is nothing will stand you in no stead Consider sadly how those you follow have led you from the Unity of this your Nationall Church and thereby from the profession of Catholick Primitive Truth from Obedienee to your lawfull Governors and Guides who bore the same Office taught the same Doctrine held the same way of publick Worship as did those martyrd Bishops in Primitive Times as did also those other in Queene Marie's dayes How I say they have led you from this Catholique Communion into a way of which whether Classicall or Congregationall we see the late and irregular beginning it being but the product of some tumultuary Reformations made in France Geneva Holland or Scotland and by those that would be contentious here imitated and violently attempted to the disturbance of this Church not without the down-right guilt of Schism and Sacriledge Consider it sadly and do as those Confessors did who being led away by the Novation Schismaticks under like pretence of purity and strictness as soon as they perceived their error confessed it and returned to the Unity of the Catholick Church as St. Cyprian often relates and propounds it as an example and motive for Unity Do you so and then may you obteine what you pretend was your aim and desire Purity and righteousnesse indeed which you cannot in the way of Schisme by reason it holds not a perfect Rule of Righteousness but such as is strict in denying small things and flying appearances of Evill but large in admitting great Offences teaching to straine at Gnats and swallow Camells to scruple at a Rite and Ceremony but makes no bones of Disobedience Schisme Sacriledge and so necessarily leaves your Consciences while ye are in that Communion defiled with your partaking in such sinnes But return into the Unity of this Church and shew your Communion with it in the publique worship of God Liturgy and Sacrament then may you perfect Holinsse in the feare of God and with good Conscience peforme all the parts of Purity and Righteousnesse And do it in Gods name according to all the Duties he requires of you and according to all the opportnuities he puts into your hands So will your Purity and Righteousnesse exceed that of the Pharisees and as many as walk after this Rule Peace be on them and Mercy and on the Israel of God Amen The End It holds the truth between Romanists and Sectaries In Catholick Practice and Tradition In the visible and invisible condition of the Church The Article touching the Church In the Papal Infallibility and private judgment In the due subordination of Pastors and Governors National-Church Reformation Publick or Private Actual Non-communion Schisme Difference of it in regard of the parties between which Difference in degrees of it Iust cause for Reformation Trial of a Church as to a safe communion with it A necessary Rule Such authority in the nationall Ch of Engl. VVhat makes a Church Christian Orthodox Protestant and reformed we have not cast off the Faith received Bishop of Rome his pretence to universall jurisdiction Impossible to make it good His special pretence to jurisdiction over this Chur Conclusion of the whole case as it stands with the Roman Church Difference 'twixt just and distempered Reformations 1. Church Government 2. Church Authority in making Decrees Orders 3. Force of Church-Custome 4. Vnion of charity 5. Admonition and rejection of Hereticks and Schismaticks Application of the Premises VVant of Purity Ancient Schismaticks had like pretence of purity VVhat is meant by a Bishop Force of universall practise or Catholick Tradition Presbytery Elders and Bishops Of the first Elders set in the Church by the Apostles No example or precept in Scripture for the Adversaries pretension The alteration of Church-government from Presbyterian to Episcopall not imaginable Of other reformed Churches which have not Bishops Our Liturgy how agreeing with the Mass-book Lawfulnesse of set Formes Expediency of set Forms in publick Expediency of Set Formes in publique Spirituall gifts to be used but with submission to the Chur Lords Prayer undervalued neglected Not burthensome or superstitious Vse of Ceremonies significant Standing up at Creed Ring in Marriage Cross in Baptisme Kneeling at the Sacrament Bowing at the name Circumstantialls of VVorship Objective terminations of VVorship and Circumstantiall Instances Confusion the Issue of Error having passed due bounds Confusion levelling upon levelling Self-Condemnation of the Pharisees How it concernes these days Gods Iudgements on Schism and Sacriledge VVhy God suffers Error so much to prevaile against Truth Confusion of boundless Error Punished often with its owne pretences Exhort to all that truly desire Purity which cannot be had truly in the state of Schisme