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other_o purpose_n than_o to_o snow_v himself_o a_o partial_a scribbler_n let_v he_o not_o be_v offend_v then_o if_o i_o most_o just_o apply_v to_o himself_o what_o he_o produce_v in_o reference_n to_o another_o 96._o p._n 96._o that_o for_o a_o book_n which_o carry_v a_o great_a appearance_n of_o reason_v it_o have_v the_o least_o in_o it_o of_o any_o i_o ever_o meet_v with_o but_o i_o leave_v the_o learned_a oxford_n discourser_n to_o manage_v his_o own_o defence_n against_o this_o answerer_n if_o he_o shall_v think_v it_o worthy_a of_o a_o thought_n the_o last_o public_a enemy_n to_o transubstantiation_n that_o i_o shall_v mention_v be_v the_o defender_n of_o the_o dublin_n letter_n i_o must_v confess_v he_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o man_n of_o learning_n and_o judgement_n though_o equal_o unknown_a to_o i_o as_o the_o rest_n but_o because_o his_o defence_n depend_v chief_o upon_o the_o authority_n of_o father_n who_o sense_n i_o humble_o conceive_v he_o mistake_v or_o misapply_n i_o 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