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A00670	A treatise against the necessary dependance vpon that one head, and the present reconciliation to the Church of Rome Together with certaine sermons preached in publike assemblies, videlicet 1. The want of discipline. 2. The possession of a king. 3. The tumults of the people. 4. The mocke of reputation. 5. The necessitie of the Passion. 6. The wisdome of the rich. By Roger Fenton Doctor of Diuinitie, late preacher of Graies Inne.	Fenton, Roger, 1565-1616.; Utie, Emmanuel, d. 1661.	1617 (1617)	STC 10805; ESTC S102068	104,035	162

of euidence they bring and accordingly frame our Faith That I cannot be saued except I be subiect to the Bishop of Rome as head of the Church He must pretend then a title from Christ as he is Vicar for spirituall matters it is euident that Christ while he liued on earth was the visible head for Temporalls himselfe concludes Who made me a Iudge My kingdome is not of this world therefore so farre as he medleth with kingdomes he cannot claime that from Christ It is confessed that while Christ was on earth hee was the visible head of the whole Church so as no soule could bee without necessary dependance on him but whether at his departure he committed the supremacy to any man on earth If hee did whether in whole or part to whom whether to the Apostles in generall equally or to one aboue the rest and who that was 1 Their point is that Christ left it to Peter alone to no other Apostle in that degree This is cleer out of Scripture That the rest of the Apostles as Apostles are equall but as Bishop he aboue them note that a Bishop aboue an Apostle Linus aboue the Euangelist Iohn who liued in his time 2 Admitte the Supremacy in Peter whether it died with him as the Apostleship did or left it to his successors The difference is they put the rest out of special fauor They might haue as great power but it was for terme of life Peter had it for him and his successors for euer But this must be cleered that Peter had power to leaue it to his successors and none but he If this be not proued why not Iohns successors in the Churches of Asia or of Iames in Ierusalem or any of the Apostles in other places as well as he to his The reason is Though Peter by vertue of his fiery tongue was able to gouerne the whole Church in his daies being but small yet hee knew the charge in time would grow so great and the circuit so large that Peters spirit had neede be doubled vpon those that should succeed him If he had one clouen tongue his successors neede to haue twelue so we might say of the least of his successors A greater then Peter is heere Peter was not alone during his life there were the eleuen Apostles Bel. l. 1. c. 21 and Paul as great an Apostle as himselfe as Bellarmine confesses and greater because hee writ more then Peter hee planted more Churches then Peter he laboured more aboundantly then they all for hee preached from Ierusalem Rom. 15.19 round about to Illiricum as Hierome auouches from the redde Sea to the great Ocean so farre as there is any land Amos. c. 5. And that all the charge of Peter and Paul and all that the rest had should lye vpon the shoulders of one Pope and yet neuer a clouen tongue to his head Sure say That a greater then Peter is heere Bellarmine proued well from the election of Matthias in the first of the Acts De Pont. 4.23 that the Apostles were not chosen by Peter and Paul was Galathians the first Paul an Apostle not of men nor by men but by Iesus Christ Those that came in after the death of Christ Matthias and Paul were not but all the Apostles successors must now deriue their power from the Pope Therefore a greater then Peter is heere 3 Admit while the body of the Church carried any proportion to a visible head as in the Apostles time it might and some time after for auoyding of factions a Monarchicall gouernment might stand but when it is so dispersed that amongst the Antipodes for ought we know may be Christians that such a burthen of gouernment should rest vpon the shoulders of any one mortall wight it is strange It must be cleered out of the booke of God for the Testimony of their Church in her owne case is silent That Peter did not impart his supremacy to diuers in diuers Churches which he planted but wholly committed it to one in one place 4 If to one we must know where that one is Certitudine fidei else wee are neuer a whit the neerer Whether Peter left it amongst the lewes till they fell being himselfe the Preacher of the Circumcision If not because hee saw they would reuolt why not at Antioch a Church of his owne planting Paul had as much to doe at Rome as he Antioch had the Primacy Act. 11.27 for they were first called Christians at Antioch and it was a famous Patriarchall Church Why not Marke the Euangelist Peters Disciple who writ the Gospell from his mouth in that famous Church of Alexandria It is cleere then that Rome and no other Church doth enioy that Bishop who succeeds Peter in that great office But now wherein a lay man may receiue satisfaction the Scripture is silent It is not found in our Creede The testimony of the Church is laid by in this point Bellarmine saies Bel. 2. de Rep. c. 12. that the Bishop of Rome alone doth succeede Peter in the Supremacie is not found in Scripture but to be beleeued vpon tradition I thought wee should returne thither againe it is hard that they will not spare their own testimony in their own case Seeing Christ did spare it in his case I hope we may be saued without it 5 Admit this could be cleared yet that Church doth not agree who was Bishop Linus or Clemens or Cletus after three Popes at once Benet the ninth Siluester the third and Iohn Then two in a schisme betwixt Vrban and Clement The first in Italy the second in France after that three againe hard to iudge who was the true one Such vncertainties must there needs bee when Religion depends vpon any mans person in this troublesome world 6 Admit it can be demonstrated to my conscience that this Pope is lawfully chosen and vndoubtedly succeedes Bishop Linus and Peter by a lineall succession of true Popes for 500 yeares without any materiall interruption yet neuer the neerer except they doe succeede as well in Faith and doctrine as in place and person else they could not exclude vs from the Church for we show personall succession as well as they Cranmer consecrated Barlo Scony and Couerdale These consecrated Parker Parker other Bishops these made Priests euery Act of Priesthood ratified by their owne Canons is Valide factum though not Licite Quis enim Catholicorum ignor at ordinatos ab Episcopo haeretico verê esse ordinatos That those that are ordained Priests of an haereticall Bishop are truely ordained no Catholike is ignorant So they exclude vs as heretiques as not embracing their doctrine so by their owne rule they grant that the Church and the Bishop of Rome must succeede Peter as well in Faith and Doctrine as in time and place else wee are not bound in conscience to cleaue to them you see by how many sequels and degrees of consequent they must proceede before it be

or any of the Apostles The onely colour I finde that Peter Iames and Iohn made Iames the lesse Bishop of Ierusalem as Eusebius and others doe record not Bishop but Bishop of Ierusalem giuing him an especiall care of that Church Iames was Bishop before saies Bellarmine It s included in his Apostolike power A Bishop may be a Bishop though hee be design'd to no place nay though he be an heretique capable of no place yet he may ordaine Quis enim Catholicorum ignorat Ordinatos ab haereticis verè esse Ordinatos quando Ordinator haeretieus verè Episcopus fuerat adhuc erat saltem quantum ad Caracterem Is it possible any indifferent minde should beleeue it that the Euangelist St. Iohn that Eagle of the new Testament could not ordaine Polycarpus or any in the Churches of Asia without Peters leaue or that Paul could not ordaine Timothy vnlesse he had power from Peter This is the last refuge If it will not hold Maxima pars Episcoporum non deducet originem suam a Petro. The greater part of Bishops haue not their originall from Peter Then the Church of Rome is not that onely Church but there may be saluation without it So the question is at an end TRACT Vlt. THese issues and desperate distinctions are forced from them Bel lib. 1.23 de R. P. Quia passim docent veteres Romanam Ecclesiam esse matrem omnium Ecclesiarum ab ea omnes Episcopos habuisse consecrationem dignitatem suam quod non esset verum nistin eo sensu quod Petrus qui Episcopus fuit Romanus omnes Apostolos omnesque alios Episcopos ordinauit because it is the mother Church it is therefore so you see them driuen to this issue 2 It is conceited that Christ intends nothing in Peter aboue his fellowes but onely that the successors of Rome may be great who are not once mentioned or prophecied of in Scripture Cyrus prophecyed by name should not the holy Ghost neyther by Peter nor any other giue vs some inkling of him vnder whose wings alone we must seek saluation except wee will haue him mentioned vnder the title of Antichrist wee haue it not The Church of Rome is spoken of by Paul hee glories as if it were his Church in the first chapter to the Romanes Rom. 1.4 Peter doth not so much as once name it vnlesse they will haue it vnder the name of Babilon 3 Bellarmine doth ingenuously giue ouer Scripture in the entrance to the first booke and the three and twentith chapter diuiding it from the rest Hactenus quae ex diuinis literis colliguntur addemus nunc quae ex varijs authoribus decerpsimus A man will hardly hazard his estate vpon so nice a difference without maxim bookcase or any authority in Law and should wee relye our soules vpon so narrow so new and so perplexed a Diuine In this great point as we are directed so let vs looke vpon that place in the Corinthians 1. Cor. 4.6 That no man presume aboue that which is written and then we shall find that in the Ephesians Eph. 2.19 Now therefore wee are no more strangers and forreiners or heretiques but Citizens with the Saints and of the houshold of God and are built vpon the foundation of Apostles and Prophets Iesus Christ himselfe being the head corner stone Let this bee euer our hold and wee shall neuer fall And to conclude let vs goe on euen with our aduersaries so farre as they leade vs in the right way but if they carry vs into vnknowne tractes and dangerous passages let vs there protest a separation from them and then we shal shew our selues to be right Protestants indeed Let vs looke also with a vigilant eye as some religious men did after corruption grew thicke vpon that Church and then wee shall see that wee cannot communicate with her in this point and others which she professes and practises without shipwrack of conscience which corruptions if we should reckon they would swell beyond the proportion of our present proiect which if a simple man cannot behold when he is assaulted by the Bishop of that Sea for present reconciliation let him ingenuously plead ignorance rather then yeeld and tell him plainely he knowes him not and that his mind is bent to know God and himselfe if he haue any reference to God hee will acknowledge him in his due place In the meane time we pray for diuine knowledge out of the scriptures that the beames of that celestiall light may double her reflection vpon our hearts and so warme our affections with the loue of the Truth that wee may bring forth the fruits of it in a Christian Life Amen Deo Trino vni Gloria FINIS A MOTIVE DEDICATED TO THE Honourable Society of the Gentry in Grayes Inne by E. V. RIGHT WORTHY GENTLEMEN ALL this Treatise stands vpon that Vnion spoken of by St. Paul to the Ephesians Ephes 4.4 There is one body and one spirit euen as you are called in one Hope of your Vocation One Lord one Faith one Baptisme one God and Father of you all which is aboue all and through all and in you all To preuent distraction and preserue the vnity of the Church To limit out the naturall branches besides those that are cut off by schismes or pared away by the censures of the Church to set out the truth of the Redeemer according to the Doctrine of Faith and the couenant of Baptisme here are the bonds of peace combined in one head not in the Church which had their circular Epistles written for communion Coloss 4.16 Acts 15.6 nor in the Synods of the Church which had their Councels for the composing of diuisions These are but confirmations no beginnings of that vnity which is pretended A peace there is pretended or as the Author saies a reconciliation what peace saith Iehu to Iezabel Pacem do vobis pacem meam Relinquo vobis sufficit Domine pacem quam tu relinquis excipio Relinquo quod Retines Giue mee leaue to set these feete of durt vpon that golden image of him whom you did admire and I doe imitate he did conuince you let me onely moue you by that which followes Vpon that Scripture there are 3. things grounded 1. That the Church is vnited in Christ 2. After him in Peter 3. after Peter in the successours of Rome In the two last poynts he ioynes an issue and findes that vnity of a visible head and that Vna Sancta Catholica Ecclesia Decreto Bonif. in the Decretall and that subiection thrust vpon euery creature with a Declaramus dicimus definimus esse de necessitate salutis not to be trust vp in One when we haue done I hope this thirteenth article shall be thrust out of our Creede First for Peter The same reprehension Mat. 20 26 Mat 9 23 Mat 19 28 Rev 21 17 Acts 1. Acts 8 14. the same commission the same promise the same glory

cleered to my conscience that I am bound to be reconciled to the church of Rome as now it stands vnder paine of eternall condemnation If therefore they faile in any of these demonstrations we must faile them These sixe Articles wee must passe before the maine point be concluded Let vs repeat them that we forget them not 1 We must beleeue certitudine fidei with the certainty of Faith 2 That Christ left his supremacie to Peter and to his successors onely 3 That Peter bequeathed it to one in one Church and not to diuers 4 That this one was the Bishop of Rome and no other 5 That this Pope that now is did succeede him in this Church 6 That hee and his Church doe continue succession of Faith and doctrine as well as in person and place Vntill these be all made cleere as an article of our Faith I hope they will giue vs leaue to serue and worship our God according to that Christian liberty which God hath giuen in a Church professing his Gospell TRACT III. REturne wee then to our first conclusion that for such gruncels as are immediately to be laid vpon the rocke that is matters of saluation and principles of Faith wee must receiue them vndoubtedly distinguish them from all other positions that are thrust vpon vs as necessary to be beleeued by the same degree of Faith And to receiue them vpon examination according to the authority of the propounder and according to that degree of euidence by which they are proued Hold on the foundation and let vs conforme our affections and liues and build further to perfection of grace as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and then as it is Psalm 50. and the last To him that ordereth his conuersation aright I will show the saluation of God TRACT IIII. GIue me leaue a little because I doe not much trouble you with questions to examine this point for their sakes that be vnstable or desire the same the rather because this is the very ground of their resolution and if this faile all failes That the supremacy was in Christ while hee liued vpon earth it is agreed but whether at his departure he conferred the same vpon Peter and in that degree which they challenge is the first maine point And for this they pitch vpon foure maine texts 1 Super hanc Petram Mat. 16.18 Matt. 10. verse 19. 2 Tibi Dabo claues That key of Dauid which Christ had which openeth when no man shutteth and soutteth when no man openeth 3 Pasce oues Ioh 21.15 Before it was promised there exhibited To be chiefe Pastor To feede the Lambs that is the Laity To feede the sheepe that is Rule and Gouerne the Clergie 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yea the Apostles themselues if they be sheepe of Christ Peter must be their shepheard 4 I haue praied for thee Tu autem conuersus confirma fratres Luke 22.32 That is confirme the rest of the Apostles they were his brethren These 4 are like foure pillars whereupon Peters supremacy is built presently if Peter had it the Pope hath it but admit this yet we finde many doubts which must be cleered and many blocks which must be remoued before my conscience finde a cleere euidence to come ouer to them vnder such a penalty as eternall condemnation For my Text the point of difference is what Christ meant by the Rocke 1 Whether the Person of Peter as they affirme 2 Or the Faith of Christ which Peter professed Thou art the Sonne of God or Christ apprehended by that Faith Do them no wrong t' is agreed that Christ is the Primitiue foundation but the secondary foundation is Peters person not as a priuate person but as the head of the Church That it should be Peter not Christ or the Faith of Christ there are foure colours 1 Hanc by Grammer must be referred to that which is Tues Petrus c. 2 Because Petrus and Petra are all one in the tongue wherein Christ spake Cepbas therefore hee meant the same thing 3 Not aedifico nor aedificani but aedificabo As if Christ had built his Apostle vpon himselfe already But Peter is called Sathanas after and denied Christ ô but after the resurrection it is built vpon Peter and therefore Aedificabo 4 He would neuer haue said Tu es Petrus and then Inferred super hanc why does hee say with an asseueration Ego dico tibi These are prety colours to looke vpon at the first but these are not wadded they will not hold but shed if they be well handled What if we say with St. Augustine Aug. de ver Dom. Secū Mat. ser 13 Super hanc petram quam confessus es super hanc petram quam cognouisti dicens Tu es filius deiviui aedificato ecclesiam meam id est meipsum filium dei viui aedificabo ecclesiam meam Vpon this Rocke which thou hast acknowledged vpon this Rocke which thou hast known saying Thou art the sonne of the liuing God I will build my Church that is my selfe the sonne of the liuing God will I build my Church Is not this good grammer What if wee say with S. Ambrose Ambr. in 2. cap. ep Ephes v. 20 Super istam aedificabo Ecclesiam meam hoc est in hac catholicae fidei confessione fides ergo ecclesiae fundamentum est Vpon this Rocke will I build my Church that is in the confession of this Catholicke Faith therefore Faith is the foundation of the Church hath not Hanc a good reference to the premises What if I say with Hilary Vna haec est foelix fidei petra Hill de Trin 2.6 Petri ore confessa tu es filius Dei vini super hanc igitur confessionis petram Ecclesiae aedificatio est Haec fides Ecclesiae fundamentum est This alone is the most happy rocke of faith confessed by the mouth of Peter thou art the sonne of the liuing God vpon this rocke of confession is the building of the Church this faith is the foundation of the Church to the same purpose you finde Cyrill de Trinit 4. Cyrill Chrisost Beda Chrysost 55. hom sup Matth. Beda vpon Iohn the 21. These fathers will defend Grammer well enough for hanc but let vs adde one of their owne Lyra. gloss Interlin Cusanus gloss in Grat. Aliaco Lyra who they say for interpreting Scripture had not his match and the interlineall glosse Cusanus and the glosse vpon Gratian Petrus de Aliaco Chancellor of Paris though a Cardinall though he name Peter yet goes with vs. 2. It is all one word Cephas but Bellarmine and Augustine and the rest are deceiued because they did not vnderstand the Syriake tongue but the Euangelist distinguishes betwixt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 To make a difference betwixt Peters faith and his person to distinguish the Rocke that he confessed from himselfe Bellarmines saies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is a stone and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉