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A gagg for the Quakers, with an answer to Mr. Denn's Quaker no Papist.
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Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661.
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an argument than if he should prove that there have been no Jesuits in England of late years because though divers have been apprehended none have been brought to Tryal 50. Concerning the Franciscan at Bristol the oath of G. Cowlishaw Ironmonger in Bristol is upon record and printed in Mr. Pryns Quaker unmaskt edit. 2. p. 3. who p. 34 c. answers to what H. D. here objects to clear the Franciscan Besides him at Bristol I could tell Mr. Denne a strange story of his Father Whitebread saying Mass about London and of another disputing for the Quakers and presently proved a masked Papist at Wolverhampton but I had rather he should have these things from others who have more leisure When he shall have considered these and other like relations which will shortly be printed at large I will desire him to tell the world whether they be groundless and unproved calumnies 51. To the next words wherein he sayes No mans innocency will be able to protect him against suspition I answer That it is not fit any man should judge how hardly Mr. Denne shall be dealt with by any suspitions further then may appear by those propositions of his which are recollected in the close of this address 52. In the very next line H. D. saith that he for his part does very confidently assure himself that if an oath were tendred to ALL the Papists in this Nation they would willingly swear that neither they themselves nor any that they know did ever use any such practise or ever thought it lawful to dissemble their Religion Wherein H. D. expresses questionlesse a greater confidence in behalf of the Jesuits then either Clark or Watson would of Robert Parsons the Jesuite or the secular Priests at this day will for the body of that Society as appears by their books which for these sixty years they have writ one against another So that H. D. is a closer friend to the Jesuites then many Romish Priests be 53. This 15th begins thus we all know 't is a fallacious way of arguing to proceed a posse ad esse as they speak at Cambridge Do not they speak so at Doway and St. Omers too and yet no better is the Argument of the Papist's Adversaries in this case Here he blames some persons under the name of Popish Adversaries sure he means to exempt himself from the number And before he is gone to the middle of this page he falls again to undertaking for the Principles of Popery and passes his word that their principles contain nothing which allowes dissimulation in Religion 54. But in the last page he will needs have Mr. S. to be a Papist for asserting that we receive the Canon of Scripture upon the Authority of the Church of all Ages and the pure spouse of Christ I would fain be told by Mr. Denne what reason he can give to his brethren Anabaptists and the Quakers why the song of Solomon should be Canon and other usefull books which bare his name Apocrypha why the Revelation of St. John should be put into the Canon 300. years after Christ and some gospells bearing the Apostles names left out but the authority of the Jewish Church for the Old and of the Christian for the New Testament But I would have him remember that to talk of the pure spouse of Christ and the Church of all ages and exclude the 12. Apostles and the first Century out of it is a discourse not becoming Mr. Dennes profession 55. Sure H. D. never saw Dr. Cosin of the Canon of Scripture nor Hooker's Ecclesiastical policy nor heard of St. Augustines non Crederem Scripturis nisi me moveret Ecclestae authoritas If Mr. S. be a Papist for this he hath these and a multitude of such good Protestant-company Popish with him 56. You ask what other Church was there in all ages but the Roman I answer unless you and I agree now upon the terms of the question we must end where we should have begun therefore first I must desire you to tell me what you mean by the Roman Church Which I shall scarce know till you answer the 20. questions that Mr. T. S. puts in the close of his preface to Daille's apology But that you may not pass without one answer I pray tell me what other Church was there in all ages but the Greek Church and those that agree with her in all or most part of what she holds particularly in believing no infallibility or Soveraign jurisdiction over all in the Bishop of Rome for which among other good doctrines the present Roman Church refuseth her Communion 57. And here you mend all at last for you no sooner hear talk of a pure spouse of Christ the Church of all ages but you apprehend it can be understood of none but the Roman Church and say plainly that to talk of a pure spouse of Christ and the Catholick church in the creed the church of all ages for those are the words in the letter that you cite is doubtless in effect to justifie the church of Rome to be a pure church 58. Thus having examined Mr. Hen. Dennes new book and Religion I shall only recollect a few positions publisht by him and his friend George Whitehead the Quaker whom he would prove to be no Papist and therefore that no Papist is a Quaker and then leave Mr. D. to turn over his Aethiopick Testament all the books of Papists and ALL their histories and leave the Reader to judge how good Protestants this fit couple be H. D. and G. W. George Whitehead besides those particulars which are mentioned in the Queries hereto annexed especially p. 14. and 16. maintaines these seven following Romish doctrines 1. That justification is by inherent righteousness and so saith no Protestant but so saith Bellarmin l. 2. de justificat c. 3. 2ly That a man may perfectly keep the law without sin so saith not Protestants but Bell: l. 4. de justif. c. 11. 12. 13. 14. 3ly G. W. denies the imputed righteousness of Christ for justification so Bell: l. 2. de justif. c. 7. 4ly G. W. affirms that Scripture is not the supream rule for trial of spirits so Bell: l. 3. de verbo Dei c. 4. 5ly G. W. hath writ an whole book against Mr. Clapham to prove that the written word is but a dead letter and carnal So saith Costerus in enchyridio p. 44. 6ly G. W. pretends to immediate Revelations and pretended miracles see Clapham and the century of queries so do the Papists unchurching them who pretend not to them as triall of a Church 7ly G. W. and the Papist both alike place much of their holiness in their beggarly apparrell in going openly with sackcloath and barefooted which I find taxed by the ancient Fathers of the Church Thus far G. W. 59. Now for Mr. Hen. Denne I hope the Reader hath ere this observed that though this book of his before us be entituled for the Quakers as I am
oath to me to declare whether I think the Articles of the Councill of Trent be Orthodox and Catholick and I swear no from this oath ten thousand Parliaments can never absolve me If I swear in truth I need no Absolution but if I therein forswear my self the Parliament can not free me from perjury nor remit the guilt of it The matter of this oath was Concerning belief and I never yet heard or read that any Parliament in England did assume power of setting men at liberty from beleiving what they believe in matter of Religion I grant that an Act of Parliament may be repealed by a Parliament and so the Law of exacting this oath may be abrogated but that an oath taken Concerning matter of belief or not belief can be voided by any Power on earth is the doctrine not of any English Parliament but only of the Conclave at Rome therefore good Mr. Denne creep not under the wing of an English Parliament but confesse your Argument to be a naked weapon of a Romish Jesuite 27. To your 10th I answer briefly that 't is not to be imagined any English Parliament hath or will forbid the subject of any Prince to acknowledg that civill subjection which is due to his Soveraign so long as he remaines in his dominions 28. In your 11th and 12th Sections you make the oath of abjuration to be both a prelaticall and Presbyterian design prelaticall men must be sure to pay for all but whereas you tell me divers times of Prelatical malice and that the Papists Vniversally disown that Tenet which is objected to them as theirs viz. That faith is not to be kept with Hereticks I shall not insist upon the Lateran councel which decreed anno 1216. can. 30. that the Pope hath power to absolve subjects from their obedience which is one of those Synods to which Bellarmin saith all that are Catholicks must submit but I reply that what you say here is nothing to the purpose for Mr. S. never said otherwise for in the 16th page of his preface to Daille's Apology for the Reformed Churches he professeth so much kindness to the Romanist in this particular that I have heard him censured by some of them as talking there like an inamorato But methinks both they and you instead of censuring him and bringing new arguments should answer that which he printed therein above six years since especially when he there doth very earnestly beseech them to answer it professing that he had been many years troubled with it The argument is this That which one or two or some few Roman Doctors say is lawfull may in the judgment of Papists be done without danger of mortal sin the Major is Mr. Knots charity maintained c. 4. 25. as also Valentia Vasquez Lessius Enriques Sa Cellot de Hierarchia l. 8. c. 16. p. 714. But not only one but many Roman Doctors say 't is lawfull to murder or depose a supreme Magistrate that is guilty of heresie or suspected of it Cavete principes conclusionem The minor is sufficiently proved by Dr. Jer. Taylors sermon on the powder treason p. 50. and 51. and in a small tract intituled Romish positions for rebellion collected by Bp. Morton and Mr. Yaxley's reasons why he could not be a Romanist as he much desired and a good subject to his Soveraign at one time 29. Reading 'tother day Sleidans relation of your friends affairs at Munster I met with this passage that there was a law made at the councel of Constance that promise should not be kept with Hereticks or those that be suspected for Hereticks though they came to the Synod upon the publick faith of the Emperour for the hearing of their cause Sleidan l. 3. ad an. 1521 mihi p. 59. edit. Francf 80. 30. You who pretend to skill in all Popish histories cannot but know that John Hus had the Emperour Sigismunds safe conduct in as large termes as might be expressed gratè suscipere favorabiliter tractare omnique prorsus impedimento remoto transire stare morari redirè libere permittatis sibique Husso suis dum opus fuerit de securo salvo velitis debeatis providere conductu ad honorem Reverentiam nostrae Regiae Majestatis And notwithstanding this he was burnt which questionless the Emp. would not have suffered but either in obedience to the command of the councel or upon that Councels perswading him that he was not to keep promise with a man whom they had declared an heretick a man who ad incendium quasi ad epulas properavit linguâ potens mundioris vitae opinione clarus as Aeneas Sylvius afterwards Pope Pius the 2d Hist. Bohem. c. 35. 36. a man whose rare endowments Poghius the Florentine historian and Orator an eye-witness of his triall at the Councel of Constance admired saying nihil unquam protulit indignum bono viro ut si id in fine sentiebat quod verbis profitebatur nulla in eum 〈…〉 edum mortis causa inveniri justa posset O virum dignum memoriâ hominum sempiternâ epist. Poghii ad Lenard Aretin in fascic. rerum expet fug. p. 153. which passages I cite lest you should object Campians retractus ex fugâ or any such frivolous pretence 31. In summe since you impertinently affirm that the Papists universaly disown that Tenet that faith is not to be kept with Hereticks methinks 't is fit you should prove that they universally disown the Councel of Constance which is one of Bellarmines 17. unless you are so far Jesuited as that you reject that councell because it ejected two Popes 32. Mr. S. never yet said that Papists ought not to be permited to improve their estates nor that there are not some Papists who abhorre breaking their promise and therefore while Mr. D. talkes to the contrary he fights with his shadow but you shall do well to prove that no Papists can take advantage from the decree of the Councel of Constance to break their promises made to Protestants And I cannot but take notice how much the Papists are beholden to Mr. Denne for telling the World very plainly that they may finde every jot as much honest proceeding and credit in Papists as in Protestants p. 15. l. penult 33. A few lines after having told us that the Presbyterians are easily enough infected with such leaven prelaticall malice he falls into these words Nor do they while they fall thus upon others take any notice of or indeavour to answer those things which are standing objections against themsâ—lves to wit in relation to their rebellion disobedience and apostacy from the government of the church of Rome which in good earnest I think they will never be able to answer upon their own principles Ans. Observe how this man though he called himself Anabaptist and Sectary but two or three lines before these words now soon forgets what person he had assumed pulls off his Vizard and appears a bare