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be_v subject_a in_o temporal_a matter_n tâ—_n king_n and_o king_n to_o bishop_n in_o spiritual_a episcopi_fw-la regibus_fw-la in_o temporalibus_fw-la relâ—us_fw-la &_o reges_fw-la episcopis_fw-la in_o spiritualibus_fw-la subjecti_fw-la esse_fw-la debebunt_fw-la yet_o after_o such_o concession_n and_o notwithstanding_o such_o affirmation_n and_o allegation_n when_o the_o same_o be_v urge_v against_o himself_o to_o some_o purpose_n by_o william_n barclay_n he_o fly_v present_o to_o his_o vain_a distinction_n and_o reserve_a sense_n how_o inconsistent_a soever_o with_o any_o kind_n of_o rational_a or_o material_a sense_n first_o he_o tell_v â—od_n c._n 28._o l._n 1._o de_fw-fr cler._n that_o although_o he_o say_v in_o his_o above_o second_o proposition_n that_o clerk_n be_v not_o exempti_fw-la from_o the_o obligation_n of_o the_o civil_a law_n which_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o sacred_a canon_n or_o clerical_a office_n yet_o as_o he_o mean_v only_o those_o politic_a law_n which_o 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