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unanimiter_fw-la &_o nobiscum_fw-la conspirat_fw-la basil_n epist_n 293._o here_o you_o see_v the_o whole_a western_a church_n vindicate_v from_o that_o heresy_n which_o doubtless_o s._n hilary_n well_o know_v those_o then_o in_o france_n that_o retain_v their_o ancient_a faith_n keep_v themselves_o within_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n from_o who_o communion_n never_o yet_o any_o separate_v but_o schismatic_n and_o heretic_n 34._o the_o nâ—xâ—_n father_n of_o the_o church_n that_o i_o mâ—et_v with_o be_v archbishop_n lawd_n as_o you_o be_v please_v to_o call_v he_o who_o authority_n you_o have_v often_o cite_v which_o i_o can_v but_o wonder_v at_o since_o he_o be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v a_o father_n that_o he_o neither_o liuâ—d_v nor_o die_v a_o son_n of_o the_o church_n but_o the_o doctor_n out_o of_o that_o pretend_a arch-bishop_n book_n charge_v â—hâ—_n church_n of_o rome_n with_o four_o opinion_n â—â—pugnant_a to_o thâ—_n plâ—in_a word_n of_o scripture_n viz._n 1._o transubstantiation_n 2_o administration_n of_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n to_o the_o laity_n in_o one_o kind_n 3._o invocation_n of_o saint_n 4._o adoration_n of_o image_n answ_n though_o it_o be_v not_o much_o pertinent_a to_o our_o present_a purpose_n to_o examine_v these_o doctrine_n according_a to_o scripture_n since_o the_o doctor_n confâ—ssâ—s_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n notwithstanding_o her_o error_n be_v a_o trâ—â—_n church_n and_o a_o member_n of_o the_o one_o catholic_n sect._n 12._o yet_o because_o he_o believe_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v just_o charge_v with_o thâ—se_a â—nsound_a and_o un-catholike_a doctrine_n as_o â—â—_o be_v please_v to_o caâ—â—_n they_o i_o can_v not_o pass_v they_o by_o but_o shall_v endeavour_v as_o brief_o as_o may_v be_v to_o vindicate_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n from_o that_o foul_a and_o false_a calumny_n 35_o first_n then_o transubstantiation_n according_a to_o the_o roman_a catholic_a doctrine_n be_v a_o true_a and_o real_a change_n of_o the_o total_a substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n after_z and_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o word_n of_o consecration_n pronounce_v by_o the_o priest_n into_o the_o true_a real_a and_o substantial_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n let_v we_o now_o examine_v how_o this_o doctrine_n be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o plain_a word_n of_o scripture_n our_o bless_a saviour_n say_v matth._n 26._o 26_o and_o maâ—_n 14._o 22._o this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o this_o be_v my_o blood_n the_o word_n be_v plain_a and_o be_v take_v literal_o must_v necessary_o import_v a_o change_n for_o that_o which_o be_v before_o bread_n and_o wine_n after_o our_o saviour_n consecration_n be_v according_a to_o the_o proper_a and_o literal_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n the_o very_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n where_o be_v then_o the_o repugnancy_n between_o this_o doctrine_n and_o the_o plain_a word_n of_o scripture_n christ_n say_v of_o that_o which_o be_v bread_n and_o wine_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o this_o be_v my_o blood_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n say_v so_o â—oo_o instead_o then_o of_o a_o repugnancy_n here_o be_v a_o fulâ—_n consent_n and_o agreement_n between_o the_o plain_a wordâ—_n of_o our_o saviour_n and_o thâ—_n doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n well_o but_o the_o word_n be_v not_o to_o be_v take_v literal_o but_o figurative_o be_v it_o so_o then_o be_v this_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n repugnant_a at_o the_o most_o but_o to_o the_o figurative_a sense_n not_o to_o the_o plain_a word_n or_o literal_a sense_n of_o scripture_n but_o to_o come_v close_o if_o the_o doctor_n can_v produce_v any_o one_o text_n of_o scripture_n that_o shall_v be_v but_o half_a as_o plain_a for_o the_o metaphorical_a or_o figurative_a sense_n or_o that_o the_o creature_n of_o '_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v not_o real_o and_o substantial_o change_v into_o the_o very_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n after_o consecration_n but_o retain_v 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