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A40196	The great mistery of the great whore unfolded, and antichrists kingdom revealed unto destruction in answer to many false doctrines and principles which Babylons merchants have traded with, being held forth by the professed ministers, and teachers, and professors in England, Ireland, and Scotland, taken under their owne hands, and from their owne mouths, sent forth by them from time to time, against the despised people of the Lord called Quakers, who are of the seed of that woman, who hath been long fled into wildernes ... in this answer to the multitude of doctrines held forth by the many false sects, which have lost the key of knowledge, and been on foot since the apostles dayes, called Anabaptists, Independents, Presbyters, Ranters, and many others, who out of their own mouths have manifested themselves not to be of a true descent from the true Christian Churches : but it's discovered that they have been all made drunk with the wine of fornication received from the whore which hath sitten upon the beast, after whom the world hath wondred / by George Fox.	Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1659 (1659)	Wing F1832; ESTC R18020	590,130	408

Scripture and then Judge in your consciences and do not they suffer many hard and cruel things even all manner of evil spoken and done against them falsly for the Name of Christ are you ignorant of their great sufferings through this Nation and what do you think is their suffering for evil doing or is it not for righteousness sake what harm do they do to any by work or word why are they reproached and mocked and scorned and why are they put in prisons and whipped and thus sorely abused is it for any evil doing or is it not because they are the servants of the Lord compare their fruits with the Priests fruits their conversation with the Priests conversation and see whether be liker the Apostles and these things I leave to you that you may come to consider and judge justly of all things for the Lord God is risen and his light in peoples consciences is shining forth and it shall answer to what I say in this world or in the day of Judgement when we and all mankind shall appear and come forth to tryal and every mans work shall be tryed and all shall receive according to their deeds And so gladly would we be made manifest to all the world if that after the reading of this book any be unsatisfied still in this matter And if any especially of the heads and Rulers have doubts or Jealousies raised in them concerning us and the Priests and that they further would be satisfied and resolved for that end let any wise men propound for full satisfaction of all sorts of people that we with the consent of the chief in Authority that have power in this Nation who may preserve peace and safety among people and thereby to stop all Jealousies may freely and chearfully four ten twenty thirty more or fewer of us give as many of the wisest and ablest of the Priests and Professors a meeting for dispute at any place in England at what place time and for what continuance as they shall ascribe and consent unto and to dispute and controvert betwixt us and them any such thing and every such particular as shall or may be objected by any of the heads and Rulers or other grave understanding men wherein they are doubful betwixt us and would thereof be satisfied that by such dispute and opening of such causes objected full and real and total satisfaction may be given to the whole Nation and every particular man and member therein Otherwise Let the Priests or professors or any of them object what they can against us in our principles profession faith and practice and our whole Religion And if they shall affirme and alledge any one or more things against us that any principle we hold or practice we profess in any part throughout all our Religion are false Principles and false practices and not according to truth nor the scriptures but shall affirme that our Religion is not the true Religion nor we of the true Church of of Christ and they shall have free liberty to give their best proofe and reason for what they affirme and alledge yet by the strength of Christ and in the power and authority of God and according to the scriptures we shall confute all their proofes and strongest reasons and on the contrary we shall joine our Principles doctrines and practices and all our Religion and every part and particular thereof to be the very truth and agreeing with the scriptures and according to that shall maintain by lawfull arguments and plea that our Religion and worship and all that we professe and Practice is according to the mind of the Lord and justified of him and that whatsoever is and may be spoken against us upon that account is utterly false and to be condemned and upon this we will ingage with them and with any of our enemies of what sect and profession soever to the intent onely that truth may be manifest and embraced and deceit and Errour discovered and denied And also upon such an engagement we should agree to have the liberty freely and soberly to object against the Priests concerning their Ministry their call their practice their maintenance and their fruits and effects and concerning their Church and principles and worship and whole Religion and shall hear patiently all that can be said in defence thereof by any or all of them and shall prove by the spirit of the Lord and according to the scriptures that their ministry is not the true Ministry of Christ nor they true and lawfull Ministers of the Gospel but shal manifest by evident arguments that their call practice maintenance fruites and effects are not according nor agreeing but contrary and differing to what the true Ministry was and its call practice maintenance fruites and effects were in the true Apostles and among the true Churches and furthermore by the Grace of God we shall prove their Church their worship and their whole Religion in all parts thereof to be degenerated from what the true Church was and the true worship and true Religion in the daies of the Apostles and true Churches of old and these things shall we make manifest by faithfull and sound arguments according to the scriptures that all the earth may know and all people perceive who is in the truth and of the true worship and Religion and who are in the contrary and whether the Priests and that which they professe and practice for Religion or the Quakers and that which they professe and practice for Religion be of God and according to him and whether are contrary that the end of this long travel and war and controvercy may be desided and justly ended between us and all people may be resolved and satisfied concerning us and them that do oppose us And let all the Priests and professors lay aside and give over their houses of correction and imprisoning people and whipping of them and stocking of us and dealing in this manner of violence and cruelty as for years by-past they have done in defence of their Religion and resisting of ours and let them lay aside their carnall weapons and fighting against our persons and imprisoning of us about our Religion and let them come forth in sound arguments the best they have and let us see what spiritual weapons they have to resist us and defend themselves let us try whether their spiritual weapons or ours be the strongest and the most powerfull and mighty let theirs that are so prevaile against the other be it ours or theirs and this is the way to try the truth and to make all things manifest and to deside and end all the whole controversies between us and them which hath been great this many yeares and let the truth be set up and exalted where ever it is and all deceit thrown down to the ground and let us war with the weapons of the spirit against errour and false religion one in the other but le ts not hurt creatures

hath thrown out the Son the rule of knowing the Father who reveals him For many had Scriptures who knew not the Father nor knew the Son nor heard his voyce as in John 5. Pr. He saith All those that be without the Scriptures are without all comfort and hope and God See page 26. Answ Here then is thy Doctrine that none have comfort none hope none have God but who have Scriptures Abraham will tell thee otherwise and Enoch for those knew God and walked with him and knew hope and comfort and Joseph and Jacob and God was with them before the Scriptures was written And Christ was promised before the Scriptures was written and many have the Scriptures and not the comfort nor the hope but stand against him as the Jewes did against Christ And many may have the comfort and not read Scriptures Pr. He saith The onely judge of all errour is the Scriptures c. see page 37. Ans So he hath thrown out Christ and thrown out the spirit and the spirituall man and the Saints and God the judge of all who was the Author of the Scripture Pr. He saith The Apostle doth not say that God in these last dayes doth speak or will speak unto us by his Son but God hath already in time past spoke by his Son and that speaking is to these last dayes and we are not to look for any other speaking or revelation c. page 39. Ans And so by this thou hast denyed the scriptures and the authority of them which is Christ Jesus and denyed the Apostles doctrine and the new covenant where the law is writ in the heart and minde and all taught of God Thou hast thrown down and laid waste Christs commands who saith Learn of me And the command of God who saith This is my beloved Son heare ye him And so art ignorant of the scriptures and the power of God Pr. He saith It is abhorred dotage they are bewitched with to say they witnesse forgivenesse within c. See page 41. Answ Thou shews thou never knew a Saints life and that which cleanseth from all sin and the testimony within of forgiveness of sin for where it is forgiven it is within The Apostle saith If Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin And many may speak of Christ without them and the body of sin not dead And so the Wolfe may get the form of godlinesse and the Devill may confess the son of God in words Pr. He saith It matters not much if the sense be in the Scriptures where the words be there or no See page 47. Ans And yet he saith the Scriptures is the rule and it is the word and so by that means have all men run into their senses into confusion from the words of the Scriptures which is not to be added to nor taken from nor can it be broken nor is it of any private interpretation and the Scriptures are the words of God and Christ is the word and in him they end and the spirit is the rule Pr. He saith Doth not Christ approve of the Jewes opinion in thinking that in the Scripture they should have eternal life And he saith Christ refers them to the Scriptures to finde life See page 48. Answ When as Christ said They would not come unto him that that they might have life and bid them believe in him whom God had sent who was the end of the Scriptures And Christ did not approve of them that thought to have eternall life in the Scriptures Pr. He saith to say that the light of Christ is not received from the Scriptures it is an abominable thing to be asserted Ans But the light is received from Christ and many had the Scriptures as the Jewes but stood against the Light as you do now and did not receive it that had the Scriptures which testified of it And the Light cannot be blotted out but it doth condemn and it leads to the knowledge of God and to eternal life Pr. He calls it a fancy of an idle brain to witnesse the law of God written in the heart that is different from the morall law c. see page 61. Ans The Scripture saith I will write my law in their hearts and put it in their inward parts and I will make a new Covenant with the house of Israel not according to the old And this is the Covenant with Israel not according to the old and so they be in the fancy and idle brain that be out of the new Covenant of light Christ both Jews and Gentiles and all false Christians Pr. He saith This I do deny that the perfection of the whole law of God is writ in mans heart so as to know it and do it as it is written in the Prophets and Apostles c. See page 64. Answ Here thou hast discovered thy selfe to be in the unbelief and limits the Holy One that God is not the same Christ is not the same yesterday to day and for ever And none knows the Prophets and Apostles but who have the same covenant as they had and the same law and same spirit And whereas thou art opposing those as say the Word is within them and the Light is within them and the Spirit is within And because they say those be in unity and be one which makes thee appear one offended who must be ignorant still He that is ignorant let him be ignorant still but the light in thee shall see they are one Pr. He saith That none have ever had such attainments of Christ a Redeemer without the help of the Scriptures c. see page 65. Answ Now Abraham and Enoch and Noah and Adam had the promise of Christ before Scripture was written And the Gospel is the power of God and many may have the forme and not the power and eternall life is not in them nor the power of God For Christ is the power of God who saith Yee will not come to me that yee may have life who was afore Scripture was and all the Attainments is in him the Scripture speaks of and he is not attained to without life Pr. He saith Where did ever any say that they went through the Law to Christ This he judgeth and saith that they be strangers to the life of God that say so c. See page 71. Ans Contrary to the Apostle who saith I through the law am dead to the law but alive unto God And the law was our Schoolmaster to bring us to Christ And again he saith The righteousnesse of the law is fulfilled in us Pr. He saith All notionall light is from Christ whatsoever c. see page 72. Ans Now notional is imaginations and that is not properly called light and therefore thou mistakest for light is not notion but is the thing it selfe that is from Christ Pr. Here again he denies that Christ hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world with light sufficient if

forth from the Apostles into the world that Christ said should come that inwardly ravened from the spirit and went forth from the Apostles and onely have had the sheeps cloathing and so are the spirits which the Apostles bids the Saints try which went forth into the world that had the true spirit the record the spirit of God and they that have found the record the spirit of God tries all your spirits and findes you fallible ravened from the spirit of God inwardly onely having the sheeps cloathing that hath covered the wolfe in you all the devourer And so we do believe neither yo●●or the Pope hath the infallible spirit being the false spirits that went forth into the world and led the world after you That Nations are come to be like waters so are you broken all into heaps and sects and wants the infallible spirit in which you should have unity And so hath not the Son of God revealed among you who have not revelation as the Apostles had which we witnesse who are come to that the Apostles were in and so the Son of God reigns Pr. He saith The holy Scriptures are the temporall word c. see page 11. Answ Now see if this be not an undervaluing the Scriptures of truth and the words of God and Christ and the Prophets and Apostles which cannot be broken he calls it a Temporall word which the Scripture teacheth no such doctrine but thy lying spirit Pr. He saith The Gospell or Word is the externall light flowing out unto us from the Son c. See page 12. Ans Contrary to the Scripture which saith the Gospell is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes so not temporall not a temporal light And the light which cometh from the Son of God that lighteth every man that cometh into the world that shines in peoples hearts that gives the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus is not temporall thou that saith so art in the delusion Pr. He saith The Scriptures are able to make men wise unto salvation without any more additions and there is no more to be expected c. see page 12. Answ Contrary to the Scripture it selfe and the Apostles doctrine who saith through faith they are able to make wise unto salvation So there is an addition which the Apostles adds and all the Saints and true believers which is the faith which thou art reprobated from and so no Minister of Christ in the un-victory so in the worlds lusts Pr. He saith The soule of man is a spirituall substance c. And Magnus Byne saith the soule is not infinite in it selfe but it is a creature And Richard Baxter saith it is a spirtuall substance c. See page 13. Answ Now consider what a condition these called Ministers are in They say that which is a spirituall substance is not infinite in it self but a creature that which came out from the Creator and is in the hand of the Creator which brings it up and to the Creator again that is infinite it selfe which the hand goes against him that does evill in which hand the soule is which is immortall and infinite which hand is infinite which brings it up to God is infinite Pr. He saith Do not they blasphemously make Christ an Idoll that call our Temples Idols Temples c See page 15. Ans Christs body was and is the Temple of God who ended all outward Temples made with hands and so that is no Idoll but others are Idols held up by you and the Pope Jewes and Gentiles that prison the seed of God in your selves And Stephen was stoned to death for denying the Temple and for witnessing the substance so have you almost stoned many to death for denying your Idols Temples Pr. He calls that most ignorant and sottish dealing to own Christs commands that bids be not called of men Master c. page 18. Answ And thus he shews his ignorance and sottishnesse and doth not read Mr. Paul Mr. Peter and they transgresse the doctrine of Christ and he hath not the spirit of Christ but is gone out into the world where all the false spirits are opposing Christs commands and the Spirits commands and so no Minister of Christ Pr. He saith All the Ministers since the dayes of the Apostles was to be ordained and called which the Apostles were not c. See page 21. Answ Doth not the Apostle speak of them that usurped the authority Yes we say that all of you and the Pope since the dayes of the Apostles are called by men and made by men who are the false spirit that went forth into the world that ravened from the true so have not heard the voyce of God at any time So he hath not sent you but you have usurped the authority being made by man And as no prophecy of Scripture came by the will of man therefore all as do get the Scripture in their own wills out of the holy Ghost are made by man such are out of unity with God with Scriptures with one another and all upon heaps about words and such men make and sets up Pr. He saith The Scriptures is Gods law and a sufficient rule for doctrine and worship it selfe c. See page 22. Ans Now many may have the Scriptures and if they have not the spirit that gave them forth they do not worship God in the spirit And they that have the Scriptures and do not do the will of Christ they know not his Doctrine And the Law is light Pr. He saith But I must tell you that our Bells are not carnall if they were they would scarce sound so well or last so long c. See page 23. Ans If they be not carnal then they are spiritual and in that all the world will judge thee that they are things seen and so they are temporall and carnall and what is temporal is not eternal nor spirit The Apostle speaks of carnall weapons 2 Cor. 10.4 and carnall ordinances Heb. 9.10 And whereas thou speaks of baptizing your Bells c Have not many Bells in England been baptized And was not the Pope the first Autho● of it And we do say that they are carnal and not spiritual let them sound never so well and last never so long though in many Towns you have made them to tune Psalms yet we cannot say that these are spirituall that can tune Psalms neither dare we but do judge them that do say they are so For the Scripture calls those Ordinances which were Ordinances of God once worldly and carnal and the Sanctuary is called a worldly S●nctuary when the substance was come And so we see and say all your sorts of Bells though they may be tunes of Psalms yet they are carnall and not spirituall that is our conclusion though indeed poor people being ignorant may well when such as thou saith they are not carnall when they be yet they stir up the fl

and true ministers and equall and according to the false prophets and deceivers Secondly Againe you are not according but contrary to the true ministry and Ministers of Christ in practise for they were led by the spirit of the Father which dwelt in them and they preached the Gospel by the spirit and spake as the spirit gave them utterance and went up and down the world through Nations converting people to the knowledge of the truth and what they had handled tasted seen and felt of the word of life in them that they declared to others and preached the Gospell which they had not received from man nor by man but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ in them But your practise is not such but contrary for the spirit of this world leads you and it you follow in all your works in your preaching praying and in your whole worship in forme and tradition what you have studied for out of books and old Authors you preach to people and what ye have noted in a book that you preach by an hour-glasse and not as the spirit of God gives you utterance and you seek out and enquire after great benefits and much money by the yeare and where there is much Tithes and Gleab-lands and such like thither and to such a place you goe and seeke after to be Ministers there and there you remain 20. 40. more or fewer yeares as you can agree with the people and while they will give you so much as will content you and maintain you your wives and families as you say respect not whether any be converted to God by your preaching but people remaines alwaies in blindnesse and ignorance generally and without the knowledge of God for you preach other mens words and what you have collected in your imaginations from the Saints words an hour by a glasse leaning upon a soft cushion and for money and and hire preaching to the people and this is your manner of practise and Ministery in these Nations but thus did not the Apostles nor Christs Ministers but the contrary and by your fruits and works it appeares that you are not followers of that spirit that Christ and his Ministers were guided by neither are lawfull successors of the Apostles but by your fruits and practise you manifest that the Lord never sent you nor Christ never called you into his service to be his Ministers for in all your practises and in your whole performances of worship you differ and doth not agree but are contrarie to what the practise and worship of Christs Ministers and Churches were in the daies of the Apostles this I charge upon you in the Name and by the Authoritie of the Lord God and am able to prove it against you face to face or otherwise to shew that you are not of the same spirit but contrary to the Saints and Apostles of old and so not true succeeders of them nor lawfull Ministers of Christ as to all people it is and shall be made manifest Thirdly You disagree and are contrarie altogether to the true ministrie and to the Apostles in respect of your maintenance and wages for the wages which Christ allowed his Ministers was into whatsoever house they entered that was worthy they might eate such things as are set before them for the workeman saith he is worthy of his hire and the Apostles eat onlie of the fruit of the vineyard that they had planted and of the milk of the flock which they kept by a free gift of the people which they had begotten to the faith and to whom they sowed spirituall things it was but as a small matter if they reaped their carnall things yet as a free gift they would doe it and the Apostle said he would not make the Gospel of Christ chargeable And in this manner were Christs Ministers and Ministrie in wages and gifts upheld and maintained outwardly in the world But your practise and maintenance is not such but contrary as is fullie made manifest for you will have so much by the Yeare promised to you in Tythes money or Gleab-lands or stipends and of drunkards and swearers and prophane wordly people who are not sheep of Christs flock nor plants of his vine-yard you will have so much of each of them and of every man in such a compasse as you call your parish and if any either out of covetousnesse or good conscience cannot pay you you sue at Law and cast into prison for wages and spoile their goods and take treble nay some times 5. double damage and through violence and injustice and cruelty are you maintained in such a manner and not as the true Ministers and Apostles of Christ were but in a way and manner quite contrarie as it is manifest and so herein it is proved that you are not lawfull successors of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ Fourthly Againe you follow not the Apostles and true Ministers of Christ but are contrarie to them in doctrine as this following vollume will clearly manifest which for this very end is collected from your own mouths and pens that all men may see what you are and what you hold and professe and being truely laid down and answered let your selves and all sober men compare your doctrines and sayings with the doctrines of the Apostles and they may see you agree not with them but are contrary to them and now friends to all you that professe your selves to be Ministers of the Gospell I do hereby declare unto you in the name and authority of the Lord that we have controversie with you and a great charge against you in all these things in your call in your practice and in your maintenance and in your doctrines and our mouthes hath the Lord opened and they cannot be shut from declaring and crying against you as such whom the Lord never sent but are contrary to Christ his prophets and Apostles in all your waies and practices and the hand of the Lord is certainly against you and his power and dread wil come over you and lie upon your consciences Now Reader whosoever thou art that reades this following volume if thy mind be sober and thy heart right towards God thou may come to a good understanding of the ground and cause of this great controversie between the Priests and the professors of this Nation and us who are in scorne called Quakers for it is not unknown to Nations of this great debate and battel now for some yeares of continuance in this Nation no man can be ignorant what putting in prisons and what persecuting and what preaching and printing against us and what reports and same hath been through this Nation for some yeares past and the Quakers so called have written and spoken and printed against the Priests and their worships and waies and doctrines and declared against them as deceivers and false prophets and such as never were sent of God on the other hand thus have the Priests and more

Saints shall not judge while they be upon the earth Answ But the spirit did teach the Apostle to judge and his time was come And he tels some that they were of old ordained for condemnation and their damnation slumbred not and they went on to eternall judgement and it is high time not to judge Pr. And this he calls a mistake to deny all those that say they have faith in Christ and yet their righteousnesse is not perfect as the righteousnesse of Christ is perfect Ans Who hath faith in Christ is in the perfect Righteousnesse and so you are in the mistake that have a faith and a righteousnesse that is not perfect for righteousnesse and faith which is the gift of God is perfect Pr. For to say that he that saith he hath hope in himselfe and yet is not purified even as he is pure is the hope of the hypocrite c. This he calls a mistake see page 8. Answ And here he is corrected and his spirit is corrected being in the world for the hope purifies as God is pure but the hope of the hypocrite doth not Pr. He calls it a subtill delusion that owns not the Law without in Tables and Books to try the spirits within c. See page 8. Ans And the spirit of Christ within is the end of the Tables Law and Works and Books Therefore in this is discovered his own White Devill and corrected by the spirit as he speaks of and the Law is now in the heart the new Covenant is witnessed and the Pharisees had the Law in Tables as thou hast Scriptures and stood against the life and in the sub●le delusion as thou doth who brings the external to try the eternal which it is the eternal that tryeth the external as Christ did the Pharisees who told them when they wronged it And so are you the wrongers of it who hath not the eternall to try withall so as the Devill who is fallen out of the power And it was the eternal that led forth the Saints to speak forth Scripture and with that they are tryed and seen w●o wrongs them and wrest them to their own destruction and Peter was one of those tryers who was in the Spirit of God and could not read letters and the Pharisees they had the letter without the life and could not try Francis Blake's Booke called Choice Collections of Scriptures against the practice of the QUAKERS c. His Principles follow Pr. HE saith Repent and become sinners because the Quakers say they are made free from sin by Christ see page 6. Ans Contrary to the Apostles Doctrine who said repent and forsake sin that they might receive the remission of sins c. And contrary to the Apostles doctrine to Simon Magus Pr. Francis Blake hath printed a Letter which shews that those that are in scorne called Quakers ownes the blood of Christ. And John Bunyan saith they deny it Ans And thus they are in confusion but the blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God we own but their Lies we disown and we witnesse the repentance which cannot be repented of but we say to you Repent and turn from your sins And they that bid people repent and become sinners are Satans messengers Luke Fawnes Samuel Gellibrand Joshua Kirton John Rothwel Thomas Underhil and Nathaniel Webbs in a Book called The Second BEACON Fired Sent to the Protector Their thirst is after blood and persecution over all such spirits we see there is that in them shall Answer it Pr. THey say The Quakers Principles are Blasphemous Paganish Antichristian Anti-scripturall Ans Because we hold out the foundation of God Christ Jesus who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world Pr. He calls this loathsome poysonous and blasphemous errour c. See page 3. Answ You are poysoning the people and are of the Whores stock who would have blood to drink which drunk of the blood of the Prophets and Martyrs and Saints and so lies provoking the zeale of the Magistrate against them as the Pharisees and Priests did in ages past but that was the blinde zeale that persecuted in all Ages and they are Anti-scripturall Antichristian and Anti-ministeriall that deny the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world which is the end and substance of the Scriptures and who is in that owns the Scriptures and is not against them and are the true Manisters and Christians and so you are the Pagans and Heathens that deny the light that all men are enlightned withall Pr. They say that the Quakers are in an errour to say that none are the Ministers of God and called of him who are sent forth by the authority of man c. page 7. Answ So shews their ignorance of the Apostles doctrine and words Not of man nor by man he saith he had received it but by the revelation of Jesus Christ and so you that are made by men deny this Pr. They say That is another errour of the Quakers that say he who is not infallible in his judgement when he gives counsell and advice is no Minister of Christ See page 7. Answ Now he that is not infallible in his counsell and judgement and advice is not he in errour And are not the Ministers of Christ the Ministers of the spirit And is not that out of the errour which is infallible in counsell and judgement And are they Ministers of Christ that are fallable and is not the power the Gospel infallible You may well creep and go to the Magistrates for help who denies infallibility and so naturall men knows not the things of God with the earthly spirit of the world I say that is infallible which must order all the Creation to the glory of God by which they were made and created Pr. You say again You are laying and spreading their errours and blasphemies before the Magistrates that they may stop their mouths See page 9. Ans Now you shew that you have not the spirit of Stephen nor the Apostles whom their enemies could not resist but the spirit of them that was against Stephen c. perswading the Magistrate and so your weapons ye shew are carnall not the mighty weapons to pluck down the strong hold and spiritual wickednesses which weapons are spirituall Ye are fain to fly to the mountains to cover you to hide you from the presence of the Lamb which is now risen And where did ever the Apostles go to the Magistrates for help and complain against Errors and Blasphemy and such as did so judged Truth to be blasphemy running to the Magistrates as you do now who are apostatized from the Apostles but many of the Magistrates are come to see you and will not be your pack-horses nor Executioners any longer And your whole intent is to brand the light of Christ Jesus with the same expressions of Errour and Blasphemy as the Jewes did in Ages past who are begging to the Magistrates with Petitions provoking

thy self manifest that thou hast not the spiritual weapons And thou maist well deny immediate Revelations was it not in all ages such as pretended themselves to be Ministers that had not the life that gave forth Scriptures that called to the Magistrates to stop the mouthes of Blasphemers was not the mouth of the Priests against Christ to the Rulers at the Counsell And against the Apostles and against the Prophets And is it your mouth now to your Magistrates in the Apostacy since the dayes of the Apostles But do you think that the Magistrates will let you get a top of their backs and gallop upon them to be their executioners If ye be Ministers that have the Spirit of God stop the mouthes of the gain-sayers for never did the Apostles nor the true Church wrestle against flesh and blood But they struck at the power that captivated the Creatures to the intent that the Creatures might come into the Libertie of the Sons of God But thy fruits hath stunck about thee and your fruits how Barbarously the Saints have been used among you and true Christians in the spirit and so them that make War against the Saints are such that inwardly ravened from the spirit and so got the sheepes cloathing and turned against them that had the Spirit of God ravened from the Spirit of God inwardly lost the spiritual weapons and had onely the sheepes cloathing and that would not carry them out in the time of need and so was fain to flie to Magistrates to the carnal weapons and so by this means in all ages the righteous have been slain by them that had the Scriptures but from the spirit that gave them forth and all the Saints upon the earth have been slain by them that have been from that of God in their own particulars which now that is awakened by which men come to be turned unto God And so you now that do deny the light that doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world that preach men should have sin while they be upon earth and the body of it and imperfection are such as have led people captive all their life times with the form of godliness without the power And keepes people in spiritual Egypt Sodom and Gomorah in filthyness and darkness where Christ was crucified by them whose ears were stopt to that of God in them and that was spiritual Egypt And so are all you that be inwardly ravened from the Spirit of God in your own particulars yet having a form of godliness denying the power you are from that of God ravened inwardly Ye are like to be reprobated concerning the faith ye are not like to lead people to the knowledge of the truth but like to keep them in the divers lusts laden with their sins and alwayes learning never able to come to the knowledge of truth there is all the witchcraft and sorcery and inchantments and familiar spirits and such doth deny the light which doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world And as for all thy lies and all thy slanders and reviles they will be thy own clothing and wear thy own garments thou must and they will cover thee in darkness in the day of thy judgement when thy works are tried with fire the witness in thy conscience shall answer I am a friend to thy soul And thy shame and folly and wickedness thou hast published to the Nation which all sober people see thy folly and thy silence had been better to have Preached thee a sober man But novices and fools must utter their folly And the Truth is gone over ye and thou shalt feel it one day when thou and thy works are tryed with the fire And Eternally shalt thou witnesse ●●ey are Judged and condemned Edward Boules who calls himself a Teacher of the Gospel at Yorke in his Book he calls The duty and danger of Swearing opened as he saith in a Sermon preached at Yorke the day of swearing the LORD MAYOR This is the Title of his Book which he directs to Stephen Watson Lord Major the Aldermen and Common Councel of that Citie whose work is to teach them to break the commands of Christ throughout his Book in that which he calls a SERMON Pr. FIrst he sayes Christ brought down the rigteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees and how that the Pharisees wrests the Scriptures or made the Scriptures to bend to their own righteousnesse Answ This is your own condition and the Papists who cannot own the Scriptures as they speak but you will make the Scriptures bend to your own wills and wrests them as the Pharisees did and as you and the Papists do Christs words who sayes Swear not at all and you say swear How now Edward Bouls who makes the Scriptures bend now Thou teaches men should swear and Christ said Ye shall not swear at all and so art an Antichrist and against the Doctrine of Christ and teachest thy own tradition for doctrine and makes the commandement of Christ of none effect He that 's against the doctrine of Christ is an Antichrist and so the Papists and Protestants and Pharisees all are found swearers out of Christs Doctrine that sayes swear not at all and yet in your pride will make a trade of his words and a talking of his words to get money by Pr. Thou sayes Christ came not to destroy the Law and it hath deceived some to say Swear not at all The Scriptures must not be taken in generall termes for Paul said he became all things to all men And Christ and our Saviour his intent is this that we should not swear as we were wont to do for the word Generall not at all must be interpreted so that you see it is the scope and circumstance of this place that this Swear not at all be interpreted vain and unnecessary customes and abuse of swearing among the Jewes and it is not unlawfull to swear but to all men not onely a liberty but in just cases a duty of swearing and part of divine worship not Ceremoniall or Mutable there 's no shadow or type in it An Oath is for confirmation and the end of strife it gives the last peale to all differences and gives a great honour to God and is the proper end of worship and consequently a great honour Answ They are deceived that breaks Christs commands for when he says swear not at all He sayes in all your communication let your yea be yea and your nay nay for whatsoever is contrary is evill So he layeth down no other Doctrine that men should practice then not to swear at all but yea yea and nay nay them that goes any further go into the evill whatsoever is more is evill So minde these 3 things and the Apostle becoming all to all men yet not without the Law of Christ Mark the Law Christ which was Swear not at all so still that 's agreeable to Christs words the Scripture is taken generall and Christ

speak in that degree of the holy Ghost as the Prophets and Apostles did that spoke forth Scriptures Answ Then thou must take heed of exalting thy self above thy measure for thou canst not know Scripture but by the same degree of the spirit the Prophets and Apostles had Pr. And he saith He hath no command in Scripture to sprinkle Infants and he holds it not absolutely necessary he hath no command in Scripture against it and he hath a commandement of the Governors and so he is subject to every Ordinance of man Answ An ordinance of man that is not of absolute necessity consider what it is and that which the Scripture no where commands nor thou hast no example for it consider what that is and to say the Scripture no where forbids it it forbids all the traditions and doctrines of men so that is judged by the spirit of God that is set up by men Pr. Thou saist The Lord may give with the outward washing the spirit to the childe Answ Can man receive the spirit of God by following traditions of men and outward things Was not they all from it and from the spirit and doth it not judge them for setting up such things God never commanded Pr. And he speaks of Davids Psalms given to the world sutably Answ The world must repent and be in the spirit for it lyes in wickednesse before they can know Davids singing for the Prophet saith their songs must be turned into howling and Davids condition is not the worlds Pr. He saith men may respect persons in their places Answ That 's contrary to the Apostle who said God was without respect of persons and that the Gentiles should be accepted as well as the Iewes He that doth righteousnesse is accepted with God who holds the faith of Christ it is without respect of persons it is in the unity and they that be out of that be out of the unity So thou hast pleaded for that which art out of his Doctrine He that respects persons commits sin and is convinced of the Law for a transgressor as saith the Apostle W. P. thy works are tryed and weighed and found too light and condemned for the fire the witnesse in thy conscience shall answer but now in thy security thou art asleep but the wrath of the Lamb shall finde thee out And as for all thy lies and slanders thou heaps up in thy Book they are not worth mentioning but will come upon thy own self for they are thine own covering which is judged the witnesse in thee shall answer The Elders and Messengers of the severall Churches of Ilston Abergevenny Tredingnoge Carmarthen Hereford Bredwerden Cledacke and Liangors Meeting at Brecknocke whose Book is Titled An ANTIDOTE against the Infections of the TIMES Which hath shewed your selves full of poison and such as infect the Times but with the spirit of Truth ye are comprehended and judged Your Principles are as Followeth Pr. YOu say you are conceived in sin and brought forth in iniquity Psal 51.1 Answ David doth not say you who were conceived in sinne but I and W. P. saith John was sanctified from the womb and the Scripture speaks of such as were sanctified from the womb and children that were clean And so you do not speak as Elders and Messengers of true Churches or men dividing the word aright but you are one against another though you are all against them you call Quakers that be in the truth Pr. They say They observe the designe of Satan to cast down the walls of Sion and to remove the living stones thereof from the sure foundation the rock of ages the Lord Jesus Christ and draw them to build upon the sands Answ Is this like that the Elect should be deceived living stones should be drawn from the sure foundation the rock of Ages the Lord Jesus Christ for these living stones to be built upon the sand and drawn from the Rock of Ages this Doctrine doth not sound like men of understanding For the living stones are the spirituall houshold and the royall Priest-hood and there 's the foundation that stands sure the Rock the Devill is out of and the gates of Hell cannot prevail against it you in your Notions let living stones alone for none can pluck them out of the Fathers hand Pr. And they say No man can redeem the soul of his brother Answ Solomon saith the fruits of the righteous ●s a tree of life and he that wins souls is wise And he that saves a man from his evill wayes saves a soule from a multitude of sins Again thou saist No man the greatest of men can redeem the soule of his brother Ye should not have left out Christ the Saviour the Redeemer the man Christ Jesus the elder Brother so you are a company of blinde Pastors contrary to them that gave forth Scriptures Pr. To say heaven and glory is in man which was before man was they are sottish and blinde Answ There 's none have a glory and a heaven but within them which was before man had a being Pr. Wherefore take heed of depending upon any righteousnesse within you or any righteousnesse done by you Answ This is a strange Doctrine that men must take heed of any righteousnesse done by them or within them This is contrary to Scripture which saith the kingdome of heaven is within that stands in righteousnesse peace and joy in the Holy Ghost and the fruits of the spirit is righteousnesse and goodness and this is that which ends the righteousness of the Law and he that doth righteousness is righteous and Christ the righteousness of God is with them Prin. Man hath received a light from Christ as a creature but not as a Redeemer Answ That 's false For whosoever hath received a light from Christ hath received a Redeemer and a Saviour and he that doth believe in it is saved and he that doth not is condemned Pr. And they say If you love your souls beware of such delusions least ye perish eternally that say it is the true light that enlightens every man that cometh into the world following it it is sufficient to bring men to heaven which light is natural reason and conscience Answ The light that every man that cometh into the world is enlightened withall cometh from the salvation Christ which is the way to the Father whose throne is in Heaven and Christ saith believe in the light that ye may become the children of the light and he that believes in the light shall not come into condemnation All men is enlighened that through the light they might believe so you are not able to divide the word aright and all that be from this light are lo here lo there and so are in the natural reason and conscience which the light is not the light was afore they was Pr. They say none should never have known a Justification nor a Sanctification if it bad not been written Answ I do believe you had not

the Gospel from charge are not you six thousand men ashamed to Petition for a maintenance for your Ministers that you should publish in a Petition your nakedness to a supream power of a Nation that you are not able to maintain your Ministry that the Churches are not able to maintain their Ministers doth not this shew your beggarliness and to be of the seed that is begging bread which the Scriptures saith the righteous are not forsaken nor their seed begging bread and in this have you not shamed your Ministers that they have no better vineyards plowes and flayls or did ever the Apostles or their hearers when they came into a Nation Petition to the powers of the earth for means Pr. And ye say where any man will not do justly and pay the labourer the wages he owes him The Magistrate must see justice done or else I know not what he hath to doe Answ The Apostles Ambassadors and messengers of the Lord Jesus Christ which were to go to all the Nations to Preach the Gospel they had not a Law at the Magistrates hands to give them wages hale their hearers before them to give them wages or put up Petitions before every Supream of the Nation before whom they came this was not the work of the Apostles messengers and Disciples who were to go into all Nations to Preach the Gospel when they had Preached the Gospel to the Nation they did not Petition to the Supream powers of the Nation Powers or Principalities or Kings for maintenance from their hearers as you do now Oh! this stinks and shewes it is out of the power which the Apostles disciples and messengers of the Lord Jesus Christ were in For they would have made their Gospel to have stunk if they had come into all Nations to Preach the Gospel and then after they had Preached it if their hearers would not have given them maintenance to have Petitioned to the Supream authority of the Nation and have haled their hearers into Courts to Assizes Sessions and Benches would this have been glad tydings to the Nations or trouble to the Nations and have been but deceivers and pretenders of glad tydings and bringers of trouble to the Nation and seekers of themselves and for themselves and not to do the work which the Lord Jesus Christ sent them about Preachers of the Gospel that live of the Gospel might use their power and would not and the power of God is the same now as ever it was and it tries all the spirits that are gone out into the world which have Apostated since the dayes of the Apostles out of the Apostles power and now with the power the Apostles were in are they comprehended which are gone out of the power which the Apostles were in Pr. And ye speak of Jonas temptation and yet of your comfort in your studies Answ The power that Jonas was in ye are far off or them that are to divide the word aright but swallowed up in the great temptation of the world pride and covetousness in that are ye drowned and hard heartedness as the Goales in the Nation are your witness such as cannot give you maintenance and such as are moved of the Lord God to come and speak to you by you are cast into Goal which shewes that you are in another power then the Apostle was in who said quench not the spirit and the Prophet was in who said Limit not the holy One and denying prophesie so now your power and authority to your Ministry with the spirit of the Lord God is fathomed and you to be out of the spirit the Apostles were in and to be spirits that are gone out into the world and into the earth and fall and so you usurp the authority and usurp the Ministry in usurping the authority as your selves may see read the Scripture of the Prophets and Apostles and there read the fruit of your Ministry and Actions try them by plain Scripture Pr. Ye say that the Ministry hath no power to put you out of the Vineyard but to perswade others to do it Ans Are the Ministry in the Vineyard of God and have they no power have they no authority there in the Vineyard Are the Magistrates then to put them into the Vineyard and to take them out And all them that are labourers in the Vineyard must perswade to put into the Vineyard do not you in this shew your ignorance of the Apostles Doctrine and of their work who rebuked stopt the mouthes of gain-sayers had power to silence had power to try spirits had power to judge had power to defend Now have you not in this if you be Ministers dishonoured your power and authority and have shewed that you be out of the power and to be them that cryes to the mountains fall on us and hide us from the glorious presence of the Lord which is arising to shake terribly the earth Pr. So if the Ministers maintenance be taken away there is little likelihood of a Ministry long Answ It seems the maintenance hath been that which hath caused them to Preach and held them up so take away their maintenance down falls their Ministry But I say the power will stand and the Administration of the spirit and the hearing of Christ and the teaching of God if men take away all their maintenance and cast them into prison for speaking But this holding up of Ministers by maintenance is that which came up before the Apostles decease which taught for filthy lucres sake and through covetousness made merchandize of the people through the love of money they erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many hurtful lusts and admired mens persons because of advantage and taught for gifts and rewards these were come up before the Apostles decease now these Teachers admired mens persons taught for filthy lucre the love of money and covetousness which the Apostle saw before his decease which since the world run after them take away their money and their lucre and their gifts see how long these will Preach Now have you shewed your Root your off-spring is found out Now the Apostle Preached and the Ministers stood up which judged the Root from whence ye are sprunge for your Root was come up before the Apostles decease And now try ye if maintenance be taken away there is no likelihood the Ministry will stand long And we say so too we know it take away your maintenance down falls the Preacher Therefore with Petitions are you troubling the Courts and Magistrates for your livelihood which if ye were true Ministers ye would be in the work in the Vineyard of God and would be ashamed of such things and with the power of God cover your nakedness and not be Beggars and Petition for outward things ye dishonour the power of the Lord God and cause his name to be blasphemed among the heathen And so for shame let your mouthes be stopt for ever for saying you are

spirit 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 14.15 and worship in the Spirit which the Devil is out of John 4.21 Pr. If the first Command be in force and if it be in force negatively it is also in force positively thou shalt have me for thy God and oughtest to worship me and if they pray not as they should let them answer for it for it is not sin of it self Ans The children of Israel that the Commandments were given unto knew God but the Heathen knows him not here all may see what measure thou measures withall And further thou sayest if they pray as they should not and yet not sin is praying as they should and as they should not one by this to call upon God with their lips and the heart not right and the prayers and sacrifice of the wicked is justified Prov. 15.8 and if any pray as they should not are they not condemned for it and if in praying as they should not be not sin then they do as they should Pr. If folks should not pray because they are uncapable then a believer not finding himself in a good frame may let his prayers alone Answ A Believer is a babe of God and his cry is right his prayer is right and his groan is right 1 John 5.1 And every man that cometh into the world being enlightned and coming into the light which hath enlightned him 1 Iohn 1.7 in that he is to watch and pray which leads him beyond naturals which will be accepted in the degree but he that hates the light his prayer is not accepted but is in the hypocrisie Pr. The Apostles bad Simon Magus an old witchcarle pray and now is there any reason to say we are bidding folk sing when we bid them pray although they be grosly ignorant Answ The Apostle bad him Repent Acts 8.22 and he was sensible he had sinned and that which makes a man sensible of sin brings him to pray aright and turns him from witchcraft and so thou dost put no difference between the precious and the vile Ezek. 22.26 the accepted and unaccepted And Henry Foreside who would have had his People to stone the Quakers and calls it Christian zeal he would have his wall up that he might live in safety who murthers and would be preserved in the murtherous estate and would have the powers of the earth to be his Executioners and pack-horses but the Lord is opening of their eyes that they will not execute their malice though he is stirring up the people to do so so all may see this is not the work of our Lord Jesus Christ but the work of the Murtherer and one that makes himself drunk with the blood of the Saints Rev. 17.6 till he reel again in his madness And Christ called them that took up stones to stone him of their Father the Devil for doing his lust John 8.44 And thou who would have the people to stone and calls it Christian zeal thou hast manifested thy Father and to be of the Devil who was a Murtherer from the beginning but you are the Serpents and vipers that would kill to fill the measure of your Fathers Mat. 23.32 and persecute from City to City and hale out of the Synagogues John 16.2 that all the righteous blood shed from righteous Abel might come upon you Mat. 23.35 and you are they that kill the bodies of the Saints and are shedders of the righteous blood Mark the righteous blood that the righteous blood might be upon you And Cain slew Abel because Abels sacrifice was accepted and his not Gen. 4. So it is about the Sacrifice and worship ye would murther and slay So ye are in Cains way a company of vagabonds whose Sacrifice God hath no respect unto if we were enemies you would not teach the people to stone us if ye were Ministers of Christ but love us Mat. 5.44 And do good to us If the Apostles should have taught the people to stone all that were contrary to their minde and Christ should have taught his Disciples to stone all that were contrary to their minde and tell them that were Christian zeal but ye may see Christ ●nd his Apostles taught another doctrine Love your enemies and thou teachest to stone them contrary to Christ and his Apostles we do conclude it to be the Doctrine of the Devil and not the Doctrine of Christ who are in scorn called Quakers For the true Christian zeal never taught to stone but were stoned The Priests called Presbyterians summoned some people called Quakers to come be●ore them and they came into the Steeple-house where they met and James Nasmith Priest of Hambleton bad them remove or else he would make them remove by Club Law and they asked the Presbyterian Priests for their accusers and Francis Ard one of the Priests said they were both accusers and Judges now whether this be equity that the same should be both accusers Judges that summons and when they have summoned accused and judged saith they will make them remove by club Law whether these be not bruits and beasts and not Justices and are not fit to Judge nor to have the name of Ministers and Judges that will remove people by club law and the said Quakers could not own them as Judges nor doth not look on them as men of equity but would have had them to have given them a meeting in any place whereby the truth might be cleared which they had scandalized and come to light which they refused and that lawful witnesses might hear but they did refuse and caused them to be put in prison by the hand of a Bayliffe by name Nasmith And this is the Authority of the Presbyterian Priests who hath summoned with club Law but it is denyed by the Apostles Doctrine 1 Tim. 3. they must not be strikers nor false accusers These are the Presbyterian Priests of Scotlands weapons club Law which is contrary to the Ministers of Christ they said We wrestle not against flesh and blood and they must not be strikers Eph. 6.12 and after they had violently the thrust them into prison after their wills were satisfied with violence they thrust them out again there ye may feel the Spirit of wickedness And these Presbyterian Priests are people petitions the Magistrates with a pretence they might not be guilty of others blood which pretence is in their Petitions to take away their fear that their wicked p●ace might not be disturbed not regarding their blood witness James Nasmith Priest who would make them remove by club Law So their Petition is but flattery and deceit in pretence of not being guilty of their blood in whose heart it is to shed blood as witness Henry Foreside Priest who stirred up the people in zeal to stone them Those Presbyterian Priests that set up club Law and persecution against the Quakers who would not have any to receive them into their houses So this is abominable Doctrine contrary to the Apostle whose Doctrine you

saith whatsoever man doth God hath a hand in doing of it whether good or evil if a man commit never so much sin and live never so wickedly he shall goe to heaven if he be ordained there to come how was God grieved when David sinned the Lord was angry the Lord was wrath when the children of Israel sinned against him it grieved the Lord that he had made man when all flesh had corrupted his way Gen. 6.6 and thou and you goe about to make God the author of sin and saith God hath a hand in it whatsoever a man doth here againe you and thou be in the doctrines of Devils what shall we say that God is the author of sin God forbid Rom. 6. they that transgresse the commandements 〈◊〉 God provoke him to anger and though God created the evil Isa 49.7 yet his commandement was to man that he should not goe into it Gen. 2.17 Gen. 4.7 Eze. 18. but when he did he transgressed the command of God so he who saith if ye murther God is the author of it if ye persecute God is the author of it if ye doe unrighteously God is the author of it you that murther persecute and doe not righteously are of him that kept not the command of God of whom ye are Io. 44. that would persecute and murther thou art gon out of the command of God and joyned with the devill 1 Io. 3.8 that went out of the truth the devil he went out of his estate and the woman hearkned to him and went out of her estate and man to the woman Gen. 3. The Jewes went out of their state when they persecuted Mat. 27.25 Cain went out of his state when he murthered Gen. 4. the Christians went out of their estate since the daies of persecution who had the name of Christianity Cain went out of his state when he murthered and Balaam went out of his state when he coveted the wages of unrighteousnesse and admired mens persons Numb 22. Jude 11. Core went out ●f his state when he gain-said the truth Numb 16. Iude. 11. the false prophet and the Anti-christ which is the beast and the mother of Harlots went forth from the state of the Apostles 1 Io. 2.19 which hath been since the daies of the Apostles and so all wars and fightings and adversaries is because of being out of the truth fallen out of it Iam. 4. there is pride and Lucifer Isa 14. and that is it that is of old ordained to condemnation Jude 4. and to be kept down and to be condemned everlastingly and there the time that shall be witnessed fit for the fire and death and Hell and the false prophet and the Dragon and the Serpent cast into it Rev. 20.14 but leaven is known that leavens into the new lump 1 Cor. 5.7 the everlasting fire that burns for ever Mark 9.46 how are the professions formes and religions fallen from the state and lost the state and out of the state that Christ was in the prophets were in Abraham was in David was in Moses and the Apostles was in and remaines in a forme of their words 2 Tim. 3.5 and murthers them that enjoyes their life and persecutes them The devill abode not in the truth Io. 8.44 Adam and Eve abode not in the truth but tr●nsgressed Gen. 3. Cain abode not in the truth when he murdered Abel Gen. 4. The Jewes abode not in the truth but crucified the just James 5.6 The anti-christ and the false prophets since the daies of the Apostles and the beast abode not in the truth 1 Io. 2.19 that made the war against the saints Rev. 13. And here is the murderers envious and persecutors warring and fighters and their sacrifice God never accepted Gen. 4.5 in all ages and these are them that persecuted those that was in the truth whose sacrifice God accepted to the witness of God in you all I speak that you may see your fall from the truth out of the prophets life Christs life and the Apostles life so be out of the commands and fallen from God and say that none can keep the commandements that is the word that shall stand for ever so ye are they that loves not God Jo. 14 13. 1 Jo. 2.4 but are of the beast and false prophets that makes war against them that keeps the commands of God Rev. 22.11 so that which saith none can keepe the commandments is fallen out of the truth and the commandements of God 1 Io 2.4 Io. 8.44 And to him the truth is death and the commands of God in which the saints live to whom the commandements are not grievous 1 Jo. 5.3 Thomas Garwine Priest of Edenborough his doctrine and principles Pr. That the Child that is not sprinkled with outward water is in a damnable state and worse then an infidell Ans Now here he and the rest of the Presbyterian Priests of Scotland may say Abraham was in a damnable state Isaac was in a damnable state Jacob was in a damnable state and Joseph was in a damnable state and David was in a damnable state and John the Baptist was in a damnable state which were not sprinkled by a Priest with outward water nor named by the Priest so thou and you with your traditions that say a Child is in a damnable state if ye do not sprinkle it with water and the Apostle bids them not look at the things that are seen and you are in the damnable state and the damnable doctrine teachers of lies and many simple people have been deceived by you and given over to believe you but God hath taken the vail off their hearts that you begin to be seen and their salvation shall they know stands not in elements as though you with your sprinkling Infants with outward water could bring out of the damnable state Oh ye deceivers did not the Apostle say they that were Circumcised Christ profited them nothing Gal. 5.2 ye have long deceived people with your beggerly rudiments and elements and doctrines and traditions Col. 2. hatched up at Schools and never commanded of God and say if people will not observe your traditions or your elements which you call a Papist word Sacrament and perishing they not observing it are in a damnable state and worse then the Heathen and Infidels an Infidell is an Heathen one that knows not God But your generation says it is blasphemy to say any hath known God hath seen God and spoken to God so they themselves have concluded to be Heathen The Heathen know not God The Heathen observes traditions and they that know God cannot observe the traditions of the Heathen but obeys the Apostles doctrine and touches not tastes not nor handles the traditions of men and Ordinances which will perish so not saving so they that observe not traditions are not worse then Heathen but they that observe traditions are as the Heathens and be out of the Apostles doctrine in their own traditions and rudiments and are offended