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decree_v to_o save_v peter_n be_v absolute_a and_o do_v proceed_v from_o god_n will_v only_o page_n 53._o which_o be_v deny_v by_o yourself_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o you_o pretend_v the_o lutheran_n and_o arminian_o against_o caluin_n and_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n p._n 38._o 53._o &_o 56._o there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n of_o that_o second_o branch_n which_o concern_v reprobation_n object_v against_o you_o but_o it_o be_v foist_v in_o by_o yourself_o only_o and_o that_o upon_o good_a reason_n too_o for_o you_o know_v full_a well_o that_o no_o man_n will_v defend_v this_o but_o every_o man_n can_v defend_v that_o against_o you_o it_o be_v good_a policy_n to_o undertake_v to_o prove_v a_o confess_a truth_n for_o so_o you_o go_v with_o the_o stream_n and_o to_o be_v silent_a in_o the_o prove_v of_o a_o manifest_a falsehood_n for_o than_o you_o have_v be_v find_v guilty_a you_o tell_v we_o your_o resolution_n this_o way_n in_o these_o word_n i_o never_o hold_v it_o wisdom_n 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