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A09441 The churches plea for her right, or, A reply to an answer made of Mr. Iohn Paget against William Best and others wherein the maine points of our present differences are handled and the principall causes of our troubles declared / published by William Best. Best, William, fl. 1635.; Paget, John, d. 1640. Answer to the unjust complaints of William Best. 1635 (1635) STC 1973.5; ESTC S151 93,797 110

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serm._n l._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o pag._n 106._o pet._n mart._n loc_fw-la come_v clas_n 4._o c._n 5._o pag._n 783._o keckerm_n system_fw-la s.s._n theol._n lib._n 3._o p._n 400._o judicious_o observe_v have_v their_o place_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o respect_n of_o he_o the_o head_n it_o be_v a_o monarchy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o eldership_n a_o aristocracy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o body_n a_o popular_a state_n further_o i_o do_v affirm_v that_o this_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n be_v unchangeable_a ordinary_a best_a and_o perpetual_a common_a to_o all_o true_a church_n and_o unto_o which_o all_o estate_n must_v be_v subject_a as_o brethren_n so_o every_o officer_n likewise_o and_o good_a reason_n too_o for_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n a_o point_n of_o the_o gospel_n yea_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o it_o and_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n so_o far_o i_o mean_v as_o other_o of_o god_n ordinance_n but_o not_o to_o speak_v any_o more_o of_o the_o necessity_n 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