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A49123	Mr. Hales's treatise of schism examined and censured by Thomas Long ... ; to which are added, Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity, wherein the most material passages of the treatise of schism are answered.	Long, Thomas, 1621-1707.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity against separation.	1678 (1678)	Wing L2974; ESTC R10056	119,450	354

points of Faith delivered in the Scriptures be better understood and confirmed than by the joynt consent of such Ancient Doctors who conversed with the Apostles or their immediate Successors and are rightly called Apostolici many of which were Persons of great Learning and Eloquence and so could not be charged with ignorance And doubtless they were very industrious in inquiring into the grounds of the Christian Faith for which they forsook all temporal accommodations and most of them their lives and against all opposition have not only handed down to us the Scriptures themselves pure and incorrupt but the proper and genuine sense of them We do not make them Judices but Indices fidei not the Authors but the witnesses to confirm and give evidence in matters of Faith 4. The Papists do calumniate the Reformed Divines as if they rejected the judgment of the Fathers whereas they do with one consent and none more readily than they of the Church of England appeal to their Authority for confirmation of the Faith which they profess I could easily fill a Volume with the testimonies of our Modern Divines concerning the authority of the Ancients how competent Judges they are of the questions now on foot The naming of some few will resolve us whether our Author's Opinion or theirs deserves the imputation of grosness and folly Calvin in his controversie with Pighius de libero Arbitrio says The controversie between me and Pighius would soon be ended if he would declare the tradition of the Church in the certain and perpetual consent of the Holy and Orthodox Bucer says as much on Matth. 1. concerning the consent of the Church about the perpetual Virginity of the Holy Virgin Mary That to doubt of that consent unless some plain Oracle of Scripture doth inforce it is not the part of them that have learned what the Church of Christ is When Zanchy was 70. Years old and had long studied the point He tells us in these words Hoc ego ingenuè profiteor talem esse meam conscientiam ut à veterum Patrum sive dogmatibus sive scripturarum interpretationibus non facilè nisi manifestis scripturarum testimoniis vel necessariis consequentiis apertisque demonstrationibus convictus atque coactus discedere queam Sic enim acquiescat mea conscientia in hac mentis quiete cupio etiam mori Epistola ad Confess fidei p. 47. Gualter in his Preface to Peter Martyr's common places says From hence come all kinds of evils the pest of disputatiousness the violation of all bonds of Charity and shaking the fundamentals of Faith because we do not reverence the Ancients as much as we ought Nor fear I to affirm that the chief cause of the Contentions of our Age is because most Divines insist on the Opinions of their present Masters and read their Books not enquiring what learned Antiquity did think or what errors and heresies were condemned by it As for the Divines of our own Church it may be sufficient to mention Bishop Jewel's Chalengee and how well he discharged it If any learned man of our adversaries said that learned Bishop or all the learned men that be alive be able to bring any one sufficient sentence out of any old Catholick Doctor or Father or out of any old General Council or out of the Holy Scriptures of God or any one example of the Primitive Church whereby it may be clearly and plainly proved that there was any private Mass in the world for 600 years after Christ or that c. to the number of 27. Articles now in controversie between us and the Church of Rome I am content to yield and to subscribe And in his Apologie for the Church of England he says We came as nigh as possibly we could to the Apostolical Churches and the Ancient Bishops neither did we direct our Doctrine only but our Sacraments and form of Publick Prayers to their rites and institutions And after him the Church provided by her constitutions Imprimis videant Concionatores ne quid unquam pro concione doceant quod à populo religiosè teneri credi volunt nisi quod consentaneum sit Veteri Novo Testamento quódque ex iis docuerint Antiqui Patres veteres Episcopi collegerint I add only that of the Royal Martyr in his discourse with Henderson 3d. paper When you and I differ about the sense of the Scriptures and I appeal to the unanimous consent of the Fathers and the Primitive Church you ought to find a more competent Judge or to rest in him that is proposed by me And this shall serve to assoil that question which our Author saith carryeth fire in the tail of it and brings with it a piece of Doctrine which is seldom pleasing to Superiors p. 200. But the fire proves an Ignis fatuus and our Author himself brings water enough to extinguish it for in p. 65. he saith If Aristotle and Aphrodiseus and Galen and the rest of those excellent men whom God hath endued with extraordinary portions of natural knowledge have with all thankful and ingenious men throughout all generations retained their credit intire notwithstanding it is acknowledged that they have all of them in many things swerved from the Truth Then why should not Christians express the same ingenuity to those who have laboured before us in the exposition of the Christian Faith and highly esteem them for their works sake their many infirmities notwithstanding From this general contempt of the Fathers our Author proceeds p. 206. to cast a slurr on S. Augustine For having mentioned S. Augustines argument which he maintained against the Donatists which was Unitatem Ecclesiae per totum Orbem dispersae propter nonnullorum peccata non esse deserendam i. e. that the Unity of the Church spread over the whole world ought not to be forsaken for the sins of some few that were in its communion he adds that though it were de facto false that Donatus his party shut up in Africa was the only Orthodox party yet it might have been true notwithstanding any thing S. Augustine brings to confute it And contrarily though it were de facto true that the part of Christians dispersed over the face of the Earth were the Orthodox yet it might have been false notwithstanding any thing S. Augustine brings to confirm it As if that learned Father who was as close and exact a disputant as the Church hath enjoyed ever since had wholly mistaken the question or were unable to urge one argument pro or con i.e. either for confutation of that wretched Schism or for defence of the Catholick Church That learned Father wrote a very large Volume against those Schismaticks which contains so much both of wit and Argument that there would not need any thing else to be said for the confutation of Schismaticks to the worlds end if his arguments were well understood and applyed And when our Author proves the Donatists in two

things against that and never as yet did that I hear of agree upon any other nor I think ever will For let it be considered that there is scarce any part of our Liturgy which some have not excepted against and you will find our Author's advice impracticable He himself would have no Absolution as appears not only by his omission of that Office when he enumerates the parts of a Liturgy but by telling us that the power of the Keys belongs to every one Clergy or Lay Male or Female not only for himself but for the benefit of others p. 172. and p. 183. that you may as well make your Muletter your Confessor as your Parish-Priest Others will have no confession Some are displeased at the Responses others cannot be reconciled to the Lord's Prayer against the use of which as the Leaders of one Faction have Printed so the Grandees of another have often preached The Reader knows what sort of People cannot joyn in the Gloria Patri the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds and it is well if they will stand to the Apostles The Te Deum and Magnificat are displeasing to some the Collects because they are too short and the Litany because it is too long to others Some are angry at the Prayer for Bishops others not very well pleased with those for the King If you read what our Author saith p. 60. concerning the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper as 1. that in the Communion there is nothing given but Bread and Wine 2. The Bread and Wine are signs indeed but not of any thing there exhibited but of something given long before 3. That Jesus Christ is eaten at the Communion-Table in no sense neither spiritually by vertue of any thing done there nor really nor metaphorically nor literally 4. The Spiritual eating of Christ of common to all places as well as the Lords Table you may see the Author was no friend to the Office for Administration of the Lord's Supper And it 's well known who are enemies to that of Baptism Our Author dislikes the consecration of Bishops to whom he denies any Superiority but that of reverence others oppose the Ordination of Priests It is sad to consider at what a Distance many of our People yet keep themselves and children from the Catechism and Confirmation and the burial of the Dead only that of Marriage they are pretty well reconciled to So that I say our Author's Proposals are impracticable if not impossible to be observed either to remove from our Liturgies whatever is i.e. seems scandalous to every Party or to leave nothing but what all agree on and I think we shall all agree sooner in an Universal character and language too than in such a Liturgy Our first Reformers have given us undeniable Proofs that they were very learned and very good Men and Bishop Jewel in their name professeth that they did consult the ancient Liturgies of the purest times and adapted ours to them The Papists condemn us for castrating as much as was thought sinful must we be still condemned for retaining what is decent If any thing in our Liturgy had been contrary to the Word of God I am confident the Church would have expunged it as soon as its adversaries had discovered it but if it be quarrelled at for requiring us to worship God according to the Apostolical injunction in Decency and order we had rather be accounted beasts of burden in submitting to the lawful Ordinances of our Superiors than wild Asses for kicking against our Masters It hath alway been the practice of the Church of God conform to the practice of the Holy Apostles Acts 15. when any opinions or practices contrary to Faith or Unity began to prevail to assemble in Councils and Synods that by conference and consulting with the Scriptures and Primitive customes they might raise a fence against the growing torrent and as well confirm their own as confute the opinions and practices of their adversaries as may be seen in the Decrees and Canons made in the first 600 Years And when by general consent and subscription these Decrees were approved they did as occasion required insert sometimes into the Liturgy such passages out of their own or former Articles as might help to instruct the People in the true Faith and be an antidote against those poisonous errors that were become Epidemical Hence first the Apostles Creed and the Gloria Patri c. and those being not express enough against prevailing errors the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds were inserted and some whole Articles were added to the Apostles Creed And if as our Author saith a man may go to an Arrian Church so there be no Arrianism exprest in their Liturgy why may not our Superiors require our communion in the Liturgy which is free from that and all other Doctrinal errors And whereas our Liturgy is in all things conform to our Articles of Doctrine which are so free from the exceptions either of Calvinists or Arminians as that both Parties appeal to it as to the standard whereby they would have their Opinions tryed as appears in the late quiquarticular controversies between Doctor Heylin and Mr. Hickman I see no reason why they may not upon our Author's grounds conform much rather to ours than unto Arrian Liturgies A Liturgy that hath past many fiery Trials first in the Marian days when the Composers of it imbraced it at their Martyrdom after which it appeared so inoffensive to the Papists themselves which I account no small commendation that for some Years after Queen Elizabeth came to the Crown they omitted not to frequent the use of it and in the beginning of our troubles when the Smectymnuans heated the Irons and made it pass the trial Ordeal its innocency was such that it came off untoucht And when in the Grand Debate their Successors thought to have blown it up by the fewel which they had heaped together in a mock-liturgy their plot was so confused and imperfect that a great part of the Brotherhood were of the Opinion that the old was better And I am still perswaded if it were put to the vote whether this Liturgy should be retained or any other formerly used in the Primitive or now in use among the Reformed Churches brought into its room they would give the like suffrage as I have heard Sr. Harry Martyne did when some of Cromwels Confidents had moved the question whether They should have a King or no King that if they must have a King they had rather have the Old Gentleman meaning King Charles of blessed memory than any other in the Nation Our Author begins to treat of Conventicles from p. 226. and continueth it to the end The substance of which I shall present to the Reader in these several and divers Periods First he says truly that all meetings upon unnecessary occasions of Separation are to be so stiled so that in this sense a Conventicle is nothing else but a congregation of schismaticks

which we translate Priests Sacrifice and Altars and our translation is not intolerable if Priest come from Presbyter I need not prove that if it do not yet all Ministers are subordinate to Christ in his Priestly office And the word Sacrifice is used of us and our offered Worship 1 Pet. 2. 5. Hebr. 13. 15 16. Phil. 4. 18. Eph. 5. 2. Ro. 12. 1. And Hebr. 13. 10. saith we have an Altar which word is frequently used in the Revelations in relation to Gospel-times We must not therefore be quarrelsome against the bare names unless they be abused to some ill use The Ancient Fathers and Churches did ever use all these words so familiarly without any question or scruple raised by the Orthodox or Hereticks about them that we should be wary how we condemn these words lest we give advantage to the Papists to tell their followers that all antiquity is on their side The Lords Supper is by Protestants truly called a Commemorative Sacrifice Of the Communion table c. Qu. 123. May the Communion Tables be turned Altarwise and railed in and is it lawful to come up to the rails to communicate Answ 1. God hath not given a particular command or prohibition about these circumstances but only general rules for edification unity decency and order 2. They that do it out of a design to draw men to Popery or to incourage men in it do sin 3. So do they that rail in the Table to signifie that Lay-Christians must not come to it but be kept at a distance 4. But where there are no such ends but only to imitate the Ancients that did thus and to shew reverence to the Table on the account of the Sacrament by keeping away dogs keeping boys from sitting on it and the professed doctrine of the Church condemneth Transubstantiation the real corporal-presence c. in this case Christians should take these for such as they are indifferent things and not censure or condemn each other for them 5. And to communicate is not only lawful in this case where we cannot prove that the Minister sinneth but even when we suspect an ill design in him which we cannot prove yea or when we can prove that his personal interpretation of the place name scituation and rail is unsound for we assemble there to communicate in and according to the professed doctrine of Christianity and the Churches and our own open profession and not after every private opinion and error of the Minister Of the Creed Qu. 139. What is the use and authority of the Creed is it of the Apostles framing or not Answ It s use is to be a plain explication of the Faith professed in the baptismal covenant And for the satisfaction of the Church that men indeed understand what they did in Baptism and professed to believe 2. It is the Word of God as to the matter of it whatever it be as to the order or composition of the words 3. It is not to be doubted but the Apostles did use a Creed commonly in their days which was the same with that now called the Apostles and the Nicene in the main 4. And it is easily probable that Christ composed a Creed when he made his Covenant and instituted baptism Matth. 28. 19. 5. That the Apostles did cause the baptizable to understand the three Articles of Christs own Creed and Covenant and used many explicatory words to make them understand it 6. It is more than probable that the matter opened by them was still the same when the words were not the same 7. And it is also more than probable that they did not needlesly vary the words lest it should teach men to vary the matter And lastly no doubt but this practice of the Apostles was imitated by the Churches and that thus the essentials of Religion were by the tradition of the Creed and Baptism delivered by themselves as far as Christianity went long before any book of the New Testament was written And the following Churches using the same Creed might so far well call it the Apostles Creed Of the Apocrypha Qu. 150. Is it lawful to read the Apocrypha or Homilies Answ It is lawful so be it they be sound doctrine and fitted to the peoples edification 2. So be it they be not read scandalously without sufficient differencing them from God's book 3. So they be not read to exclude or hinder the reading of the Scriptures or other necessary Church duty 4. So they be not read to keep up an ignorant lazy Ministry that can or will do no better 5. And especially if Authority command it and the Churches agreement require it Of the Oath of Canonical Obedience Qu. 153. May we lawfully swear obedience in all things lawful and honest either to Usurpers or to our lawful Pastors Answ If the King shall command us it is lawful So the old Nonconformists who thought the English Prelacy an unlawful office yet maintained that it is lawful to take the Oath of Canonical obedience because they thought it was imposed by the King and Laws and that we swear to them not as Officers claiming a divine right in the spiritual Government but as Ordinaries or Officers made by the King according to the Oath of Supremacy Of the Holiness of Churches Qu. 170. Are Temples Fonts Utensils Church-lands much more Ministers holy and what reverence is due to them as Holy Answ Temples Utensils Lands c. devoted and lawfully separated by man for holy uses are holy as justly related to God by that lawful separation Ministers are more holy than Temples Lands or Utensils as being nearlier related to holy things and things separated by God are more holy than those justly separated by man And so of Days every thing should be reverenced according to the measure of its holiness And this expressed by such signs gestures actions as are fittest to honour God to whom they are related And so to be uncovered in Church and use reverent carriage and gestures there doth tend to preserve due reverence to God and to his Worship 1 Cor. 16. 20. Of the power of the Magistrate in Circumstantials Those modes or circumstances of Worship which are necessary in genere but left undetermined by God in specie are left by God to humane prudential determination else an impossibility should be necessary It is left to humane determination what Place the publick Assemblies shall be held in And to determine of the time except where God hath determined already and what Utensils to imploy about the publick Worship Some decent Habit is necessary either the Magistrate or the Minister or associated Pastors must determine what I think neither Magistrate nor Synod should do more than hinder indecency if they do and tye all to one habit and suppose it were an indecent habit yet this is but an imprudent use of power it is a thing within the Magistrates reach he doth not an aliene work but his