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or_o justify_v a_o dissent_n art_fw-la xxi_o of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n in_o his_o next_o article_n 76._o art_n 25._o p._n 76._o of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n he_o grant_v many_o thing_n which_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n have_v assert_v from_o which_o we_o may_v expect_v great_a fruit_n but_o he_o present_o nip_v all_o our_o hope_n in_o the_o very_a bud_n he_o grant_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o be_v the_o guardian_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 77._o pag._n 76_o 77._o and_o of_o tradition_n and_o that_o it_o be_v from_o her_o authority_n they_o reeeive_v both_o that_o they_o never_o deny_v the_o church_n to_o have_v a_o authority_n not_o only_o in_o matter_n of_o order_n and_o discipline_n 78._o pag._n 78._o but_o even_o of_o faith_n too_o that_o they_o neither_o fear_v the_o entire_a defection_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n nor_o that_o she_o shall_v fall_v into_o such_o a_o entire_a infidelity_n as_o shall_v argue_v she_o not_o to_o be_v a_o church_n 80._o pag._n 80._o and_o in_o his_o next_o article_n he_o allow_v the_o church_n a_o just_a authority_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o declare_v as_o a_o doctrine_n of_o his_o church_n that_o they_o allow_v such_o a_o deference_n to_o a_o church_n decision_n as_o to_o make_v they_o their_o direction_n what_o doctrine_n they_o may_v or_o may_v not_o public_o maintain_v and_o teach_v in_o her_o communion_n that_o they_o show_v whatever_o submission_n they_o can_v to_o her_o authority_n without_o violate_v that_o of_o god_n declare_v to_o we_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o last_o that_o whatsoever_o deference_n they_o allow_v to_o a_o national_a church_n or_o council_n the_o same_o they_o think_v in_o a_o much_o great_a degree_n due_a to_o a_o general_n in_o which_o none_o shall_v be_v more_o ready_a to_o assist_v nor_o to_o which_o none_o shall_v be_v more_o ready_a to_o submit_v these_o be_v fair_a offer_n to_o establish_v a_o church-authority_n and_o do_v he_o 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pag._n 12._o need_v as_o he_o say_v the_o assistance_n of_o st._n bathildis_n or_o potentiana_n to_o recommend_v he_o to_o his_o father_n or_o the_o desert_n of_o a_o st._n martin_n to_o obtain_v our_o forgiveness_n we_o detest_v such_o thought_n and_o abominate_a such_o doctrine_n the_o bishop_n of_o condom_n have_v full_o explicate_v our_o tenet_n what_o this_o author_n or_o other_o impose_v upon_o we_o we_o be_v not_o to_o answer_v for_o nor_o be_v we_o concern_v to_o maintain_v the_o ill_a consequence_n which_o follow_v from_o such_o imposition_n art_fw-la iu_o image_n and_o relic_n his_o next_o article_n of_o image_n and_o relic_n complain_v how_o the_o approve_a doctrine_n of_o our_o most_o repute_a writer_n contradict_v what_o m._n de_fw-fr meaux_n will_v have_v we_o to_o think_v be_v their_o only_a design_n in_o that_o service_n 13._o art_n 4._o pag._n 13._o let_v we_o examine_v this_o a_o little_a the_o bishop_n of_o condom_n business_n be_v to_o explicate_v the_o universal_o approve_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o not_o to_o meddle_v with_o scholastic_a opinion_n or_o those_o practice_n which_o be_v neither_o necessary_a nor_o general_o receive_v he_o tell_v we_o therefore_o 8._o expos_fw-la sect._n 5._o pag._n 8._o that_o all_o the_o honour_n that_o be_v give_v they_o aught_o to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o prototype_n represent_v by_o they_o and_o that_o we_o do_v not_o attribute_v to_o they_o any_o other_o virtue_n but_o that_o of_o exciting_a in_o we_o the_o remembrance_n of_o those_o they_o represent_v that_o the_o honour_n we_o render_v they_o be_v ground_v upon_o this_o that_o the_o very_o see_v of_o the_o image_n of_o jesus_n christ_n crucify_a can_v but_o excite_v in_o we_o a_o more_o lively_a remembrance_n of_o he_o who_o die_v upon_o the_o cross_n for_o our_o redemption_n that_o whilst_o this_o image_n before_o our_o eye_n cause_v this_o precious_a remembrance_n in_o our_o soul_n we_o be_v natural_o move_v to_o testify_v by_o some_o exterior_a sign_n how_o far_o our_o gratitude_n bear_v we_o which_o exterior_a sign_n be_v not_o pay_v to_o the_o image_n but_o to_o jesus_n christ_n represent_v by_o that_o image_n so_o that_o proper_o speak_v according_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n sense_n and_o that_o of_o the_o council_n the_o image_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v to_o be_v only_o look_v upon_o as_o a_o representative_a or_o memorative_a sign_n which_o be_v therefore_o apt_a to_o put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o jesus_n christ_n who_o suffer_v upon_o the_o cross_n for_o we_o and_o the_o honour_n which_o we_o there_o show_v precise_o speak_v and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastic_a style_n be_v not_o proper_o to_o the_o cross_n but_o to_o jesus_n christ_n represent_v by_o that_o cross_n not_o to_o jesus_n christ_n as_o present_v in_o or_o with_o or_o to_o that_o cross_n as_o if_o the_o cross_n itself_o be_v the_o object_n of_o our_o worship_n as_o another_o 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to_o our_o redeemer_n but_o not_o to_o the_o image_n that_o represent_v he_o this_o be_v the_o pure_a and_o innocent_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n without_o mixture_n of_o scholastic_a subtlety_n and_o this_o the_o abovenamed_a author_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v very_o innocent_a 84._o ibid._n p._n 84._o it_o be_v say_v he_o a_o very_a innocent_a thing_n to_o worship_n god_n or_o christ_n when_o any_o natural_a or_o institute_v sign_n bring_v they_o to_o our_o mind_n even_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o such_o a_o sign_n as_o if_o a_o man_n upon_o view_v the_o heaven_n and_o the_o earth_n and_o the_o creature_n that_o be_v in_o it_o shall_v raise_v his_o soul_n to_o god_n and_o adore_v the_o great_a creator_n of_o the_o world_n or_o upon_o the_o accidental_a sight_n of_o a_o natural_a cross_n and_o why_o not_o upon_o the_o design_a sight_n of_o a_o artificial_a one_o shall_v call_v to_o mind_v the_o love_n of_o his_o lord_n who_o die_v for_o he_o and_o bow_v his_o soul_n to_o he_o in_o the_o most_o submissive_a adoration_n but_o because_o he_o can_v not_o deny_v this_o to_o be_v innocent_a therefore_o he_o will_v not_o have_v it_o to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n but_o will_v have_v the_o use_v of_o image_n in_o our_o church_n to_o be_v not_o primary_o for_o remembrance_n but_o for_o worship_n 85._o ibid._n pag._n 85._o and_o this_o he_o tell_v we_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n express_o teach_v but_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v it_o the_o council_n indeed_o tell_v we_o as_o he_o cite_v that_o the_o image_n of_o jesus_n christ_n etc._n sess_n 25._o dec._n the_o invoc_n etc._n etc._n etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v have_v and_o retain_v especial_o in_o church_n not_o as_o he_o render_v it_o especial_o to_o be_v have_v and_o keep_v in_o church_n and_o that_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n be_v to_o
may_v be_v enable_v worthy_o to_o merit_v this_o reward_n which_o be_v also_o a_o manifest_a sign_n that_o we_o do_v not_o expect_v a_o new_a imputation_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n beside_o that_o by_o which_o we_o at_o first_o receive_v grace_n and_o strength_n to_o operate_v right_o and_o merit_v worthy_o for_o when_o we_o say_v that_o christ_n have_v merit_v eternal_a life_n for_o we_o we_o do_v not_o understand_v it_o as_o if_o he_o merit_v it_o so_o for_o we_o that_o it_o will_v not_o be_v render_v to_o our_o good_a work_n and_o condign_a merit_n unless_o by_o that_o succeed_a application_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n but_o because_o christ_n by_o his_o merit_n have_v obtain_v justification_n for_o we_o and_o all_o other_o thing_n by_o which_o we_o be_v prepare_v to_o it_o and_o moreover_o obtain_v for_o they_o who_o be_v already_o justify_v those_o help_n by_o which_o they_o may_v right_o operate_v and_o merit_v eternal_a life_n from_o which_o last_o word_n and_o the_o other_o leave_v out_o by_o this_o author_n it_o appear_v manifest_o that_o vasquez_n be_v not_o dispute_v whether_o we_o merit_v grace_n and_o glory_n of_o our_o own_o self_n without_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o jesus_n christ_n but_o whither_o after_o that_o jesus_n christ_n have_v merit_v for_o we_o justify_v grace_n and_o all_o other_o help_v necessary_a to_o make_v our_o work_n good_a acceptable_a and_o meritorious_a there_o be_v still_o another_o grace_n of_o jesus_n christ_n require_v over_o and_o above_o these_o his_o other_o assistance_n without_o which_o we_o can_v not_o obtain_v eternal_a life_n be_v this_o that_o doctrine_n then_o which_o he_o say_v they_o most_o just_o detest_v 23._o pag._n 23._o and_o be_v not_o a_o little_a surprise_v to_o find_v that_o no_o index_n expurgatorius_fw-la no_o authentic_a censure_n have_v ever_o take_v notice_n of_o so_o dangerous_a a_o prevarication_n or_o rather_o be_v they_o not_o his_o own_o prevarication_n which_o 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7._o p._n 24._o in_o which_o he_o confess_v that_o what_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n have_v say_v they_o can_v most_o ready_o allow_v of_o 25._o pag_n 25._o be_v there_o but_o any_o tolerable_a argument_n to_o establish_v the_o doctrine_n that_o require_v it_o 27._o pag._n 27._o he_o tell_v we_o also_o that_o they_o practise_v that_o discipline_n for_o many_o other_o benefit_n of_o it_o and_o wish_v it_o be_v universal_o establish_v even_o in_o a_o strictness_n equal_a to_o what_o it_o be_v fall_v from_o but_o yet_o he_o will_v impose_v upon_o we_o a_o belief_n that_o by_o our_o own_o endeavour_n we_o be_v able_a to_o make_v a_o true_a and_o proper_a satisfaction_n to_o god_n for_o sin_n how_o do_v he_o prove_v it_o ibidem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la or_o how_o do_v he_o show_v that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n exposition_n he_o tell_v we_o indeed_o 26._o page_n 26._o that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n declare_v 8._o conc._n trid._n sess_n 14._o c._n 8._o that_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n require_v it_o and_o that_o therefore_o the_o confessor_n shall_v be_v charge_v to_o proportion_v the_o satisfaction_n to_o the_o crime_n which_o he_o think_v be_v more_o than_o what_o the_o bishop_n have_v explicate_v when_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o necessity_n of_o this_o payment_n do_v not_o arise_v from_o any_o defect_n in_o christ_n satisfaction_n but_o from_o a_o certain_a order_n which_o god_n have_v establish_v for_o a_o wholesome_a discipline_n and_o to_o keep_v we_o from_o offend_v and_o tell_v we_o that_o bellarmine_n conclude_v from_o these_o word_n of_o the_o council_n that_o it_o be_v we_o who_o proper_o satisfy_v for_o our_o own_o sin_n and_o that_o christ_n satisfaction_n serve_v only_o to_o make_v we_o valid_a and_o cite_v in_o the_o margin_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr purg._n c._n 14._o whereas_o there_o be_v but_o eleven_o chapter_n in_o that_o book_n but_o that_o you_o may_v see_v how_o just_a he_o be_v in_o his_o 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