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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A42830	Seasonable reflections and discourses in order to the conviction & cure of the scoffing, & infidelity of a degenerate age by Jos. Glanvill ...	Glanvill, Joseph, 1636-1680.	1676 (1676)	Wing G830; ESTC R23378	24,921	115

their phrases and so corrupted them by their false and fanatical conceits that their Gospel is quite another thing from the Primitive Apostolical Christianity and if so they Preach not Christ but their own dreams But that is too large a subject for us to discourse now That I may obtain your favour I will allow they Preach Christ I wish some do it not out of Strife and Envy yet certainly they are not the only men that do it nor is that fit to be a mark of distinction between them and our Ministers O but they Preach down Sin you tell us and that 's powerful Preaching and by that they affect the hearts and consciences of their hearers And 't is true those Teachers cry out against sin in the general with a great deal of earnestness declaring what a vile and odious thing sin is with wondrous zeal I cannot say with so much sence and judgment but then they seldome descend to particulars except in declaiming against the noted sins of others and such as they take their Governours in Church and State and those of opposite judgment to them to be guilty of So that their common places of invective are Idolatry Will-worship Superstition Humane Inventions Formality Persecution hatred of the Godly and such like things of which themselves are as guilty as any sort of men in the world though they think not so But for the sins with which they are generally and plainly chargeable those I mention'd before Malice Deceit Disobedience Pride Covetousness Backbiting Rebellion Schism Sacrilege and other such we seldom hear them declaim against those I do not remember that in ten years in which I was capable of observing in the late times that I ever heard one Sermon from any of them upon either of those subjects D. You may talk what you please but for my part I shall hear those men because I find I profit by them and I cannot by your Parish Minister A. That is the continual pretence for leaving our Churches when people have nothing else to say Pray therefore let you and I debate this matter a little You don't profit by our own Minister You do by those other Teachers As to the first let me ask you whose fault is it that you do not profit Doth not our Minister Preach the great Truths and Duties of the Christian Religion Don't you observe that he picks out the most sutable useful and awakening Subjects Doth he not represent the Doctrines with plainness and distinctness Doth he not press the duties with earnestness and affection doth he not lay down the great motives and encouragements and give us the true practicable directions to guide us in the performance You have heard him often what say you can you deny any of this D. I have no great fault I confess to find with the mans Preaching but yet methinks I am not so much affected with it nor can I profit by it A. It seems you do not profit but you cannot tell why therefore give me leave to tell you the reason First you have no kindness for the Ministers person because he conforms and it may be is not in all things of the same opinion with the men you admire D. Now you mind me of it I must tell you he is not Orthodox nor sound in his judgment and that I confess doth beget in me some dislike of him A. Orthodox is a word by which your men mean one of their own opinions and of these they are very fond and in doating on uncertain points that appertain not to the foundation they shew themselves very superstitious and lay ground for eternal Schism and even for Scepticism and Atheism it self For when disputed things are adhered to as certain and necessary Christian Charity will be destroyed and all things at last disputed But pray what do you make the measure of Orthodoxy Are not the belief of and adherence to the Scriptures the first Fathers and Councils the old Creeds and the Articles of the Church of England which in the Doctrines your men pretend to allow are not these enough to intitle a man Orthodox and all these our Minister teacheth and professeth D. But doth he not hold some opinions that are contrary to those grounds of belief A. I do not think he doth and I dare say he thinks he doth not In extra-essential matters the Pious and the Learned of all sorts have ever been of different judgments and are like so to continue to the worlds end I have in my time converst with men of all persuasions and yet scarce ever met any two though of the same general way and Communion that were in all things of the same mind And therefore if our Minister judgeth otherwise than you or I or this or that Divine in some out-points of Theology it is but as every thinking man else doth and we that hear him constantly know that he generally Preacheth the great acknowledg'd Truths and never troubles his hearers with private opinions But zealously and frequently reproves those that disturb the world with their particular phancies and declares continually against medling in the Pulpit with unnecessary controversies and notions so that if it were so that he had private opinions you and I need not be concern'd about them D. Well! but I have heard him Preach Doctrines I did not like A. That may be But I hope you do not take your liking or disliking to be the standard of Doctrines fit to be Preach'd or not D. Nay I mean Doctrines that were Erroneous which was one reason I left his Ministry A. Erroneous as you thought you would have your judgment to be the measure of truth and falshood Do you not think you are in some things mistaken D. I know I am fallible A. And do actually err in many things C. It may be so A. And yet you stick to all your opinions with that stiffness as if you were infallible and condemn every one for erroneous that in the least differs from you This let me tell you is great pride and immodesty and renders people very unteachable when they will not receive or bear any thing but what is just according to their own phancy and preconceiv'd opinion nor be taught to understand any thing better than they do already as if their knowledg was perfect and their minds had no need of information when as most commonly such presumptuous persons are very ignorant and the knowledg they pretend is but a confused heap of vain imaginations which they pickt up by chance and have no truth or coherence in them D. Every man must judg by the best understanding he hath and so did I when I judg'd your Minister to Preach Erroneous Doctrine A. And that you say was one reason of your withdrawing from him D. Yes A. But did you ever go to him to discourse the matter with him Perhaps you mistook his meaning or it may be he might have made it appear that he was in the