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A19033 The plea for infants and elder people, concerning their baptisme, or, A processe of the passages between M. Iohn Smyth and Richard Clyfton wherein, first is proved, that the baptising of infants of beleevers, is an ordinance of God, secondly, that the rebaptising of such, as have been formerly baptised in the apostate churches of Christians, is utterly unlawful, also, the reasons and objects to the contrarie, answered : divided into two principal heads, I. Of the first position, concerning the baptising of infants, II. Of the second position, concerning the rebaptising of elder people. Clyfton, Richard, d. 1616. 1610 (1610) STC 5450; ESTC S1572 214,939 244

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as_o be_v to_o be_v make_v disciple_n and_o bring_v into_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n so_o go_v faith_n before_o circumcision_n abraham_n first_o believe_v &_o after_o be_v circumcise_v and_o likewise_o must_v all_o they_o which_o with_o abraham_n enter_v into_o god_n covenant_n first_o believe_v and_o then_o be_v baptize_v as_o the_o eunuch_n act._n 8._o 37._o lydia_n act._n 16._o 15._o &_o the_o keeper_n of_o the_o prison_n verse_n 33._o but_o when_o such_o have_v receve_v the_o faith_n then_o be_v their_o infant_n and_o household_n capable_a also_o of_o baptism_n as_o abraham_n family_n be_v of_o circumcision_n he_o believe_v the_o promise_n gen._n 17._o &_o therefore_o it_o be_v write_v that_o when_o god_n open_v the_o hart_n of_o lydia_n that_o she_o do_v attend_v to_o the_o word_n that_o paul_n preach_v and_o beleve_v not_o only_o she_o herself_o but_o all_o her_o household_n be_v baptize_v and_o yet_o be_v there_o no_o mention_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o any_o of_o they_o save_v 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