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A81745 The Quakers vvisdom descendeth not from above or a brief vindication of a small tract, intituled, The Quakers folly made manifest to all men, as also of its authour, from the exceptions made against it, and aspersions cast upon him. In a pamphlet called The voice of wisdom, &c. published by George Whithead, Quaker. / By Tho. Danson, M.A. late fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent. Danson, Thomas, d. 1694. 1659 (1659) Wing D217; Thomason E2255_4; ESTC R210142 19,984 42

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for his perfection and uprightnesse v. 8. was the occasion of the Devils desiring leave of God to afflict him v. 11. and of Gods grant that his words might be found true v. 12. T.D. p. 12. A Believers person with his works are accepted with God though his works be not perfect G.W. Ans Here he would have believers like the Priests who sin in the best of their performances as they confesse But I say the Believers works are wrought in God and God works them in them and these works of God are perfect T.D. Rep●y As for our confeossin 't is agreeable to Scripture Eccles 7.20 There is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not i. e. that sinneth not in doing good Exod 28.38 In●quity of holy things is there spoken of Duties which are holy for the matter are in●quity for the manner of pe●formance Your argument doth no more conclude for the perfection of Grace than it does that every child should be a man the first day of his birth for that is one of Gods works as well as Grace As for Saints they may be said to be perfect in regard of parts as a child is a perfect man 1 Thes 5.23 Sanctified in soul and body and spirit and in regard of their aims and intendments but not as to degrees of Grace Sin and Grace in this life are together in the same subj●ct as Esau and Jacob in th● same womb As for the name of Priests which throughout you give me and other Ministers of Christ I count it no disparagement however you intend it seeing Christ is called by the Holy Ghost the High Priest of our Profession Heb. 3 1. The answer of G. W to Eccles 7.20 is no other than what M. Fish r gave which is v●ry absurd and not worthy any further reply see Qu●k ●s Folly p. 13. T.D. We the Saints are one body with them in Heaven and have the same title with th m in possession p 14 38. G.W. Ans This confutes his former words for they that are one body with them in Heaven are members of the Body of Christ which is perfect and its members c●m●leat ●ol 2.10 Eph. 3 15 T D. Reply The Body of Christ is not yet perfect for the e are great numbers of elect belonging to it yet u bo n. Christ gives a commission to preach and a promise of b●●ssing to the Apostles and their successours M●t 28.19 20. And the Apostle saies that Pastors and Teachers are for the edifying of the Body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the Faith c. Eph. 3 12 13. Put both places together and they inform us that Christs Body is not built up i. e. all the Elect not converted and so not actual members of Christs body for such men are by Faith till the end of the world As for Col. 2.10 't is plain enough that the Apostle calls the Saints compleat in reference to the Doctrine of Christ which shewed them all things necessary to salvation so that they needed not the addition which natural reason humane tradition or Judaical ceremonies could make As for circumcision we find expresly that it was urged as necessary to salvation Acts 15 1. This the Apostle denies They are also said to be compleat in Christ in respect of Ordinances and outward priviledges as particularly of Baptism which rendred ci●cumcision uselesse because it signified the same thing which circumcision did in a more large and emphatical manner v. 11 12. As for Eph. 3.15 Ther 's nothing in that v. to his purpose but I suppose he means v. 19 That ye might be filled with all the fulness of God Fulnesse of God intends not equality but quality a divine and spiritual fulnesse And the Apostle praies that they m●ght be filled with it all and so they should be in Heaven but he asserts not that either they were or should be filled in this life QUESTION 3. Concerning Justification T.D. VVHereas S. Fish ● spoke of our good work being a m●● to ●ou cause of our justification this P●iest hath M●●l● much ado to p ove th●t S. F. 〈◊〉 a rank Papist and ●●i●h our good wo●ks are but imperfectly good and Isa 64.6 All our righteousn●ss●s are as filthy rags G. A●s S. F. never affirme● that imperfect works and the righteousnesse which is as il hy rags do dese●ve Just●fication as this P●● hath w●●nged him but good works wh●ch are the fulfilling of th ●aw T.D. Reply Whether I have w●●nged S. F I leave to the Readers judgment that shall peruse Qu●kers Folly p. 14 ●5 I urged against him ●●r though our evil works did cond●mn yet ou● g●●d work● could not justifie because none of ou● good wor●●●n this life are perfect and so not the fulfi l●ng of the Law as evil works are the violation or breaking of the Law And to prove the imp●rfection of our righteousnesse I brought Isa 64 6. To which G.W. hath nor nor indeed can ans●er 'T is an expresse place The Chu ch c●●par●s all her righteousnesses to the garments of a per●on legally unclean which by the Law were unclean and to be washed because his body had touched them T.D. hath confessed p. 15. that ●ood works which are the fulfilling of the Law deserve salvation and that the desert of obedience arises from the dignity of the Subject by which it is performed G.W. Ans So then this makes for what S.F. declared for here it appears then that obedience to God is deserving T.D. Reply I did not directly affirm that good works which are the fulfilling of the Law deserve salvation but that from the rule of contraries which Mr. Fisher urged we might so argue For upon supposition that any meer man could fulfil the Law yet he could not be justifi●d unlesse he had undergone the penalty of his former disobedience and so made reparations to the Justice of God for damages sustain'd And again though I asserted the desert of obedience from the dignity of the Subject yet withal I affirmed that the Subject must be an infinite person and one from whom no obedience is due Quakers Folly p. 15. T D. gives the explication of 1 Cor. 6.11 Where by the Spirit of our God is interpreted of the Spirits application i● referring to Just fication or else it may relate to Sanctification spoken of in the former clause G.W. Ans He would divide the Spirit of God from the Name of Jesus when as his Name and Spirit are one And where doth he prove that justified by the Spirit which he ignorantly calls the third Person in the Trinity is not the work of Grace Here he would divide the Grace of God from the Spirit for the Saints were just●fied freely by his Grace which was one with the Spirit T. D Reply Though Jesus and the Spirit are one God yet they have distinct operat●ons or manner of working about our Justification 'T is Jesus alone and not the Spirit nor