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A16065 Of the auctorite of the word of god agaynst the bisshop of london wherein are conteyned certen disputacyons had in the parlament howse betwene the bisshops a bowt the nomber of the sacramen[n]ts and other things, very necessary to be known, made by Alexa[n]der Alane Scot and sent to the duke of Saxon. Alesius, Alexander, 1500-1565.; Allen, Edmond, 1519?-1559. 1544 (1544) STC 292; ESTC S108900 30,774 92

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workes to be good that are not conteyned in the scripture Now the other part of his reason he proueth thus Those which folowe foliss● questyons contencyons of wordes strange old wyues fables and to be short the doctrines of men not conteyned in the word of god do swarue and erre from the faith and are vngodly wiked hypocrites wherfor if thou stand fast by the holy scriptures and wade no further than thei teach the thou shalt saue both thy self and also them which heare the from this capcyos snare and suttelty of the deuel Specially if thou wilt monissh the christen brethern both of the holsom doctryn and also of the deuels erronios doctrine as it becōmeth a faythful minister of Iesus christ Preach teach these things saith he to all faithful men namely to such as may be apt to teach other likewys And agayne If thou puttest them in remēberāce of these thīgs thou shalt be a faithful minister of Iesus christ brought vp in the word of faith and of the true doctrine which thou hast folowed vntil this day But se that thou banisch contemne all vnholy and old wyuissh fables and rather exercyse thy selfe vnto vertu and godlines Take deligent hede to thy self and to thy doctrine stand fast in it for so doīg thou shalt saue both thiself and them that hear the. Afterward he geueth him a commandment and saith this precept do I charge the with O son timothy acordinge to the prophecies that be past befor thy daies that thou fight a good battel in thē with a sure perfight faith a good or right vp conseyence which certē not regarding haue suffred gret harme losse in their fayth c. And euen in these wordes he teacheth us to fight agaynst the deuel euen with the old prophecy or prophetical scripture and to confirme our faith by it and also to forme and rule our conscyence by it And he sheweth a cause for els we shal lose our faith as other haue done we shal procure our selues a wauering and a dowtful consciēce Finally he is not content and satisfied to haue geuen hym this monicyon but he also entreateth besechith him by all meanes saing I besech the for gods sake and for our lorde Iesus christes sake which shal iudge both quick and dead at his coming and for his kingdoms sake preach the word be instant be ernest and importune in season and out of seasō reproue chide exhort with gentilnes or sobrenes with doctryne For the time shal come whā mē shal not suffer the holsom doctrine but thei shal procure thē selues masters acordīg to their own affeccions and appetices c. This tyme which he speaketh of heare if it be not now let us neuer loke for it For now our faith is confirmed with a vnwrittō word with mās tradicyons with custome ceremonis fathers and cowncels with out any word of god and the manifest scripture is moked out with euery crafty hipocrites Imaginacion and glose yea it is takē out of our handes and burnt Now if these men be not louers of them selues and estemers of their own wisdom if thei be not couetos if thei be not arrogant and vaine glorios if thei be not braggers and blasphemers which ymagin a new vnwrittō word if thei be not dissobedient vnthankful vnto their parentes which wil not ones moue their fote out of their deanes to helpe an old man or to comfort their parentes lying at the point of death if thei be not vnkind vnnatural which for their fayned chastite dare not knowe their own childerne if thei be not truse breakers that vnmercifully warre against vertu and godlines if thei be not deuels quarelers and the very members of the deuel which do nothīg but ymagine cauillacyōs to mocke a way the truth if thei be not voluptuos ryetors merciles neglectors of their office despisers of all lerning and of all true good workes if thei be not traiteros betrayers of kings kingdōs of the whole world if thei be not louers of wordly pleasures and lustes rather than louers of god which condēne matrimony lest thei shuld be compelled to mary wiues but might still liue in whordome with other mennes wiues if thei denie not the vertu pyth and effect of godlines that vnder a color and pretence of true holynes which esteme mans tradiciōs higher than the .x. commandmentes of god and teach that their own tradicyons and ceremonys be sufficiēt to make a perfight christē man that thei may minissh drowne the iustyficaciō of faith ther were neuer none such nor neuer shalbe Paul whan he shuld take his last vale of the church or congregaciō and byd them farewel for euer he called a cowncel whose auctoryte and testimony he wold haue to be estemed and regarded of all men and in that councel he preached thus vnto the bishops I take you all to witnes and testifye vnto you all this day that y am innocēt pure clere frō the blode of you all for I haue kept secret frō you none of those things which concerne your profyght and saluacyon but I haue opened vnto you all the councel of god for the space of .iij. yeares day night without ceasing and I monisshed exhorted euery one of you euen with weping teares For I know right wel that after my departing there shal come among yow rauening wolues which shal haue no pyty or compassyon vp on the flock and certen among you shal teach false and wicked doctryne to allure discyples after them Wherfore take diligent hede both vnto your self and to all your floke and watch remembryng that I haue monysshed you of these things for the space of .iij. yere together with gret lamentacyō And now brethern I commit you vnto the word of his grace which is able to edifye you and to gyue you an inherytance with all them that be sanctifyed c. Here doth paul monissh the councel of the false and lying prophetes and he exhorteth the whole church that thei remember diligētly his monicyon wher of he had put them in rememberāce continually for the space of .iij. yeares that thei shuld take hede of those wolues which had deuoured both bodis and soules of men with wicked doctrine opinions tradicions which thei wold thrust in to the church vnder this color and cloke that the apostles could not teach all things necessary vnto our faith and saluacyon and that all the articles of the christen faith are not conteyned in the word of the grace of god I haue taken yow to record this day sayth he For this cause that if ye cast a way damne your selues thorow bileuing theyr persuasions I am pure clere from your bloude christ shal not reken vnto me your damnacyon For I know that this thing wil come to passe and I tremble and shake euery ioynt of me for the miserable perturbacyons and aduersites of the church whā
neyther one sparke of lerning nor yet of godlines in yow And thus shal ye lose all your estimacyon and auctoryte with them which before toke yow for lerned men and profitable membres vnto the comon welth of Christendome For that which yow do hope vpon that there was neuer heresy in the church so gret but that processe of tyme with the pour and auctorite of the pope hath quenched it it is nothing to the purpose But ye must turne your opinyon and think this surely that there is nothing so feble and weake so that it be true but it shal find place and be able to stand against all falshode Truth is the doughter of tyme and tyme is the mother of truth And what so euer is beseged of truth can not long continue and vpon whose syde truth doth stand that ought not to be thought transitory or that it wil euer falle All things consist not in painted eloquence strenght or auctorite For the truth is of so gret pour strength and efficacite that it cā neyther be defended with wordes nor be ouercomne with any strength but after she hath hidden hir self long at length she putteth vp hir head and appereth and as it is written in Esdra a king is strong wyne is strongar yet wemen be more strong But truth excellyth all He spake many more things to this purpose effect very discretely to the high delyte of all that hard him And I thinking my selfe to be encoraged by his oracyon I began thus to reason against the bisshop of london Sacramentes be signes or ceremonys which make us certē and sure of the wil of god But no mans hart can be certen and sure of the wil of god with out the word of god wherfor it foloweth that there be no sacramentes without the word of god and such as can not be proued out of the holy scripture ought not to be called sacramentes The first part of this reason is Sanct Pauls own saing the .iiij. to the Romanes where he saith that circumcisyon is a tokē and a seale of the rightwisnes of faith Ergo it requyreth faith to certify mans hart of the wil of god But the word of god is the foundacyon of faith the .x. to the Roma Faith cometh bi hearing and hearing cometh by the word of god For the mynd must be taught and instruct of the wil of god by the word like as the ey is taught instruct by the outward ceremony And Paul by this saing confuteth this opinyō that the sacramētes shuld make mē rightuos and iust before god for the very outward work without faith of them that receyue thē and after this maner doth Paul speak vnto the Ephesyans that christ doth sanctifie his church thorow the bath of water in the word of life And for as moch as he ioyneth the word vnto the ceremony declareth the vertu and pour of the word of god that it bringeth with him life he doth manifestly teach that the word of god is the principal thing euyn as it were the very substance and body of the sacrament and the outward ceremony nothing els thā a token of that lyuely inflāmacyon which we receyue thorow faith in the word and promes S. Paul also in ministring the sacramēt of the lordes supper doth manifestly adde the wordes of Christ He toke bread saith he and whan he had geuen thankes he brake it and sayd take ye this and eate ye this for it is my body Item do ye this in my rememberans Beside this he teacheth euidently that only christ and none but he had pour to institute a sacramēt and that neither the apostels nor the church hath any auctorite to alter or to adde any thing vnto his ordināce where as he saith For I receiued of the lord that which I d●lyuered vnto yow et ce To what purpose shuld he go a bout to moue the peple to bileue him and to wīne their hartes with this protestacyon if it had bene lauful for him to haue made any sacramentes or to haue altered the forme maner of ministring this sacrament as some men both wickedly and shamelesly do affirme that the apostles did alter the forme of baptyme Whā I had spoken thus moch the bisshop of lōdon did interrupt me and sayd let us grāt that the sacramentes may be gathered out of the word of god yet are you farre deceyued if ye think that there is no nother word of god but that which euery sowter and cobler do reade in their mother tong And if ye think that nothing perteyneth vnto the Christen faith but that only that is writton in the byble than erre ye playnly with the Lutheranes For. S. Iohan saith that Iesus did many things which be not writton And. S. Paul commandeth the Thessalonians to obserue and kepe certē vnwritton tradicyons and ceremonys .ij. Thessa. ij Moreouer he him self did preach not the scripture only but euen also the tradicyons of the elders Act. xvj Finally we haue receyued many things of the doctors and councels by tymes which although thei be not writton in the bible yet for as moch as the old doctors of the church do make mencyon of thē we ought to grant that we receiued them of the apostles and that thei be of like autoryte with the scripture and finally that thei may worthily be called the word of god vnwritton Now whan the right noble lord Crumwel the Archbisshop with the other bisshops which did defend the pure doctrine of the gospel hard this thei smyled alytle one vpō a nother for as moch as thei sawe him flee euen in the very beginning of the disputacyon vnto his old rusty sophistry and vnwritton verites And I wold haue disputed further with the bisshop to haue cōfuted this blasphemos lye But the lord Crumwel bad me be content for the tyme began to go away and it was .xij. of the clock and thus I made an end with this protestacyon Right reuerend master bisshop ye denye that our Christē faith and religyō doth leane only vpon the word of god which is writton in the bible which thing if I can proue and declare than ye wil grant me that there be no sacramētes but those that haue the manifest word of god to confirme them vnto this he did consent and than immediately that assemble was dissolued for that day Now the next day whan the bisshops were assembled agayne and I was present with the lord crumwel there came vnto me a certē archdeacon in the name of the archbisshop of cātorbery which told me that the other bishops were greuosly offended w●th me that I being a stranger shuld be admitted vnto their disputacyō which thing whan I had shewed vnto the lord crumwel he thought it best to gyue place vnto the bisshops specially be cause he wold not procure me their hatred for he knewe wel that if thei had ones conceiued in their hartes any malyce against any mā thei wold
vayne vnto these most damnable Antichristes but I wryte only for the cōfort of the faithful and for them which sinne thorow ignorance if it shal please god to put in to their hartes to knowlege the veryte and to repent and come out of the deuyls snare at whose wil and pleasure thei are now led captyue prysoners And because it were a long work to serch all the aucthorytes thorowt the scripture I wyl alledge but one place more out of the lawe and then wil I come to the prophetes and to the gospel In the .xxx. of deutero it is writton thus The cōmandment which I gyue vnto the is not aboue thy pour neyther is it farre from the it is not set in heauē that thou canst laufully say which of us all can clyme vp in to heauen to bryng it down vnto us that we may heare what it is and fulfyll it Neyther is it set beyond the see that thou canst laufully say which of us all is able to swymme ouer the see and to fetch it vnto us that we may heare what it is and fulfill that which is cōmanded vnto us therin But the word is nygh yea very nygh vnto the in thy mouth and in thy hart These wordes be spoken vnto the glotēs and belly goddes of this last tyme which for all the gret pretēce and outward shewe that thei make of holines and say that thei murder men for the preseruacyō of the true fayth and of the autorycte of the church yet thei declare euydently inough that thei denye the vertu of holinesse seing thei be spotted and shamefully defiled with blode murder whordome disceyte and with all kyndes of filthinesse and of wickednesse so that it may manyfestly appeare that thei be fully persuaded that god taketh no care at all for mankynde yea that there is no god at all which will ponish these abhomynacyons Leo the .x. called a cowncel to determine whether the soule of man were īmortal or no and whan he had heard euery mans sentence and mynd he sayd that the matter was more diffycult than that he could determine or iudge which part had strongar reasons for it but whether the soule were mortal or īmortal he said he wold not defraude his sowle of the cōmodytes delycyosnes and pleasures which were present and if there were any life after this he wold be contēt to make good chere with other there also if he shuld see that thei wold be as good felows there as thei were here This was the voyce of the high and supreme bisshop after whose sentence all men must determine of the word of god and vp on whose arbytermēt our fayth and saluacyon must depend This I say is the iudgement of the holy see wherunto men must sayle out of Aphryca Asya and europe Denmarke Inglād and Irland and out of all other landes euen in to Italy vnto this vicar of christ and vnto his .xij. Carnals the postys of the church which succeded the apostels to these must thei come to aske councel of the wil of god of the vnderstonding of the scripture which in their owne nacyons and in the councels of their own contrys thei can in nowyse vnderstād But moyses drawyth us from this deuelissh sentence where as he sayth The word is very nygh vnto the euen in thy mouth and in thy hart before thy eyes marke sayth he remember that I haue set it before thy eyes that thou maist reade in that boke yea and vnderstond it also For els in dede it had bene but a very madnes to haue writtō such thīgs as no man could vnderstond It had bene moch more worship for god to haue wryton nothing at all than so to haue mocked man kynd where as he sayd he had set before hym good and euyl life and death blessyng and curse etc. He ment not good and euel after the meaning of the serpent persuading Adam that he thorow trangressyon of gods commandmēt in eating of the forbiddyn frute that he shuld haue the knoulege of good and euel that is euerlasting dānacyon for so ment the deuel But god wil not be honored after the doctrine of the serpent nor after the doctryne of the deuel nor yet he wil not be feared after the cōmandmētes tradiciōs and doctrines of men cōtrary to his word or other wise than his word appoynteth He forbiddeth all maner of honor and condēnyth all maner of worship and seruyce done vnto him which he hath not ordeyned or commāded For these things must be lerned out of the word of god and the wil of god both what pleaseth him and what pleaseth him noti ● known only by the holy writtō scripture And if we byleue not this euen heauen and erth at the latter day shal witnes against us that we folow obey the serpent which is now waxen a gret Antichrist euen wetyngly of a sett purpose and obstynacy contrary to the exhortatiō and monicion of Moyses For he saith I take and call to witnes heauen and erth that I haue set before the in thy sight life death blessing curse not that curse that the puppy bloweth out vnder the name of almighty god the holy saintes Peter Paul but euen this curse which if we regard or obey the pope we shal heare of christ go your way ye cursed in to euerlasting fire which is prepared for the deuel his messengers For christ geueth us warning there as Moises did of the belly goddes of the last time of the fals lying prophetes of the fals christes which shuld imagyne a newe word and a newe Christ bownd to certen appointed places dayes meates othes vowes bandes to absteyne from the lauful creatures and ordinances of god which shuld driue christ out of the comp●ny of men and out of the ordinary comon life in to the w●ldernes againe and shu●d shutte him vp in deanes klosters or presons rather among the captiue presoners he saith also that thei shal byld cōfirme their preaching doctryne lawes not by the word of god or by the holy wordes of the old Prophecyes that is to say by the scripture but by false signes lying miracles that thei shal so myghtily blinde and deceyue the vnfaithful such as haue not receyued the truth of gods word but haue suffred thē selues to be ledde a way from it to be seduced thorow miracles that euē the elect if it were possible might be deceyued And he monissheth us of these thīgs so ernestly that he calleth vpon heauē erth to beare him witnes that he did premonissh and declare these things vnto us before of the Antichristes that shuld come wherby he declareth what sorow and care he taketh for us how sore he lamenteth that we shuld perissh be damned thorow such blasphemy of Antichrist And euen after this same maner with like wordes doth the prophete Esay thonder for the defence of gods word