Selected quad for the lemma: doctrine_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
doctrine_n	apostle_n	faith_n	scripture_n	5,745	5	5.7688	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A51177	The coppy of a letter sent from France by Mr. Walter Mountagu to his father the Lord Privie Seale, with his answere thereunto also a second answere to the same letter by the Faukland.	Montagu, Walter, 1603?-1677.; Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643.; Manchester, Henry Montagu, Earl of, 1563?-1642.	1641 (1641)	Wing M2472; ESTC R6266	23,462	40

contend_v no_o long_o but_o we_o renounce_v all_o man_n alike_o as_o inventor_n of_o religion_n or_o any_o part_n of_o it_o but_o hold_v only_o the_o apostolical_a doctrine_n of_o the_o ancient_a primitive_a and_o catholic_a church_n and_o presume_v not_o to_o coin_n any_o new_a creed_n yet_o we_o be_v not_o unwilling_a to_o grant_v that_o luther_n be_v one_o but_o not_o the_o first_o of_o many_o that_o restore_v the_o purity_n of_o the_o doctrine_n which_o have_v be_v long_o smother_v by_o the_o papacy_n our_o faith_n if_o you_o take_v in_o the_o whole_a be_v no_o other_o but_o what_o be_v exiconize_v in_o the_o apostle_n creed_n include_v in_o the_o scripture_n if_o you_o take_v it_o in_o a_o low_a and_o straight_a way_n for_o so_o much_o of_o it_o as_o be_v oppose_v to_o the_o corruption_n of_o popery_n you_o must_v remember_v that_o these_o point_n be_v neither_o the_o whole_a nor_o great_a point_n of_o faith_n there_o be_v not_o any_o point_n of_o our_o faith_n but_o we_o be_v able_a to_o show_v they_o have_v maintainer_n few_o or_o many_o in_o all_o age_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o every_o of_o these_o age_n those_o substructure_n of_o popery_n oppose_v some_o by_o one_o man_n some_o by_o a_o other_o i_o wonder_v therefore_o to_o see_v you_o carry_v away_o with_o that_o common_a and_o trivial_a calumny_n that_o luther_n be_v the_o inventor_n of_o our_o faith_n and_o why_o say_v you_o that_o for_o the_o interval_n of_o 800_o year_n before_o there_o be_v no_o apparent_a profession_n of_o faith_n different_a from_o rome_n and_o this_o you_o collect_v by_o historical_a search_n of_o all_o the_o story_n and_o record_n ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a it_o seem_v italy_n afford_v you_o no_o copy_n of_o our_o writer_n else_o may_v you_o see_v in_o they_o a_o list_n which_o they_o carry_v out_o through_o all_o these_o space_n and_o show_v you_o that_o most_o of_o our_o tenant_n have_v have_v the_o suffrage_n of_o the_o learn'd_v of_o rome_n side_n and_o how_o many_o man_n in_o the_o decursion_n of_o time_n from_o the_o ancient_a of_o father_n have_v declare_v themselves_o and_o some_o of_o they_o apparent_o you_o earnest_o contend_v for_o the_o truth_n of_o our_o doctrine_n and_o where_o you_o object_n that_o waldo_n wickliff_n and_o hus_n have_v scarce_o any_o relation_n to_o the_o profess_a protestancy_n if_o you_o mean_v because_o we_o disclaim_v those_o horrid_a opinion_n which_o be_v put_v upon_o they_o how_o true_a god_n know_v therein_o you_o say_v true_o neither_o they_o to_o we_o nor_o we_o to_o they_o have_v any_o relation_n but_o in_o the_o main_a point_n of_o doctrine_n touch_v faith_n and_o opposition_n of_o the_o superstition_n and_o usurpation_n of_o the_o papacy_n we_o have_v a_o joint_a consent_n of_o all_o the_o best_a writer_n historian_n and_o divine_n of_o both_o side_n that_o they_o and_o we_o consent_v in_o one_o it_o be_v strange_a therefore_o to_o say_v that_o these_o and_o we_o have_v no_o relation_n to_o the_o protestant_a profession_n who_o for_o substance_n of_o religion_n hold_v as_o we_o do_v their_o error_n only_o we_o own_v not_o and_o the_o consent_n of_o time_n do_v all_o agree_v that_o the_o waldenses_n fly_v out_o against_o their_o corruption_n 400_o year_n before_o luther_n be_v bear_v nay_o say_v renerus_n quidam_fw-la dicunt_fw-la quòd_fw-la secta_fw-la illa_fw-la duraverie_fw-la à_fw-la tempore_fw-la silvestri_n alii_fw-la quod_fw-la à_fw-la tempore_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la derive_v their_o fundamental_a doctrine_n from_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n nor_o be_v they_o few_o sed_fw-la multiplicati_fw-la super_fw-la arenas_fw-la maris_fw-la nor_o plebeian_n only_o sed_fw-la principum_fw-la favore_fw-la armati_fw-la as_o the_o king_n of_o arragon_n the_o earl_n of_o tholouse_n and_o many_o more_o so_o that_o there_o be_v witness_n more_o than_o sufficient_a that_o there_o be_v many_o who_o oppose_v themselves_o to_o the_o papacy_n in_o the_o protestant_n tenant_n long_o before_o luther_n this_o be_v the_o first_o supposition_n fail_v i_o will_v now_o let_v you_o see_v the_o mistake_n in_o the_o subsequent_a passage_n and_o open_a to_o you_o myself_o hope_v yet_o that_o i_o may_v draw_v you_o again_o to_o i_o you_o as_o you_o conceive_v have_v show_v a_o defect_n of_o visibility_n in_o our_o church_n till_o luther_n time_n labour_v to_o prove_v a_o necessity_n of_o visibility_n to_o every_o true_a church_n if_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o it_o be_v simple_o necessary_a to_o the_o essentiate_n of_o a_o church_n to_o be_v able_a to_o demonstrate_v in_o all_o time_n both_o the_o visible_a number_n of_o professor_n of_o the_o truth_n as_o also_o a_o visible_a succession_n of_o pastor_n we_o be_v able_a to_o demonstrate_v both_o these_o for_o our_o defence_n to_o be_v as_o unquestionable_a in_o our_o church_n as_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o that_o be_v otherwise_o mind_v will_v account_v this_o a_o bold_a undertake_n but_o it_o be_v no_o hard_a matter_n to_o do_v wherefore_o the_o vanity_n of_o that_o question_n to_o ask_v where_o our_o church_n be_v before_o luther_n become_v not_o any_o man_n that_o have_v read_v any_o thing_n of_o our_o church_n monument_n but_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o i_o to_o prove_v it_o two_o way_n first_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o our_o own_o divine_n second_o by_o argument_n by_o testimony_n of_o our_o divine_n you_o will_v have_v doctor_n field_n doctor_n white_n and_o master_n hook_n to_o confess_v needfulness_n of_o visibility_n and_o yet_o for_o their_o own_o church_n fly_v to_o latency_n for_o the_o second_o you_o instance_n doctor_n whitaker_n and_o doctor_n white_n one_o of_o they_o to_o confess_v our_o church_n for_o many_o age_n to_o have_v be_v in_o a_o secret_a solitude_n and_o the_o other_o to_o let_v go_v his_o defence_n of_o visible_a succession_n by_o fly_v to_o a_o invisible_a subterfuge_n of_o non-apparency_n if_o you_o have_v better_o peruse_v the_o truth_n of_o those_o writer_n they_o will_v have_v give_v you_o full_a satisfaction_n but_o you_o mistake_v both_o the_o person_n and_o the_o point_n these_o make_v a_o demonstration_n of_o those_o 3_o point_n first_o that_o neither_o the_o church_n obscurity_n be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o visibility_n of_o it_o second_o nor_o the_o visibility_n of_o it_o such_o as_o exclude_v all_o latency_n nor_o yet_o the_o latency_n of_o orthodox_a christian_n in_o the_o sway_a time_n of_o popery_n such_o as_o have_v not_o requisite_a lineament_n of_o a_o accountable_a visibility_n but_o you_o must_v know_v that_o visibility_n do_v not_o always_o carry_v the_o same_o height_n but_o admit_v of_o degree_n so_o that_o we_o can_v say_v that_o that_o want_v visibility_n which_o have_v it_o in_o a_o low_a degree_n the_o sun_n compare_v with_o itself_o be_v in_o a_o degree_n visible_a though_o in_o a_o mist_n yet_o not_o so_o clear_o visible_a as_o when_o it_o shine_v out_o so_o it_o be_v with_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n because_o her_o splendour_n be_v not_o in_fw-la termino_fw-la but_o such_o as_o receive_v degree_n by_o augmentation_n or_o diminution_n like_o as_o the_o sun_n be_v as_o true_o visible_a under_o a_o cloud_n as_o in_o his_o brightness_n though_o not_o so_o clear_o visible_a though_o not_o to_o admit_v the_o church_n to_o be_v visible_a except_o she_o be_v glorious_a be_v a_o error_n for_o there_o be_v a_o variation_n of_o the_o church_n visibility_n in_o respect_n of_o her_o object_n the_o want_n of_o which_o consideration_n i_o believe_v be_v one_o cause_n why_o so_o many_o deceive_v themselves_o in_o this_o point_n second_o there_o be_v another_o diversity_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o visible_a object_n some_o may_v see_v and_o will_v not_o there_o the_o fault_n be_v not_o in_o the_o object_n but_o in_o the_o beholder_n philosopher_n say_v visibilia_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la minus_fw-la visibilia_fw-la cum_fw-la non_fw-la videntur_fw-la quam_fw-la quando_fw-la videntur_fw-la the_o object_n of_o sight_n remain_v still_o discernible_a when_o they_o be_v not_o discern_v so_o it_o be_v with_o the_o church_n there_o be_v stricture_n of_o visibility_n discernible_a in_o her_o obscure_a condition_n but_o it_o be_v possibile_fw-la non_fw-la visum_fw-la which_o fall_v out_o when_o man_n will_v not_o open_v their_o eye_n or_o they_o shut_v they_o on_o purpose_n which_o happen_v in_o the_o prevail_a time_n of_o popery_n when_o this_o notwithstanding_o yet_o there_o be_v light_n which_o appear_v by_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o the_o discovery_n of_o error_n in_o every_o age_n of_o the_o interval_n but_o sure_o our_o man_n labour_v in_o vain_a to_o demonstrate_v that_o visibility_n whilst_o they_o of_o the_o papacy_n be_v so_o disaffect_v as_o not_o to_o acknowledge_v it_o upon_o any_o term_n otherwise_o this_o controversy_n have_v long_o since_o be_v end_v if_o they_o have_v be_v as_o well_o dispose_v to_o see_v as_o we_o

those_o that_o have_v have_v the_o honour_n to_o have_v be_v breed_v with_o approbation_n of_o fidelity_n in_o his_o service_n nor_o can_v i_o fear_v that_o your_o lordship_n shall_v apprehend_v any_o change_n in_o my_o duty_n even_o your_o displeasure_n which_o i_o may_v apprehend_v upon_o this_o misinterpret_a occasion_n shall_v never_o give_v i_o any_o of_o the_o least_o recession_n from_o my_o duty_n in_o which_o profession_n i_o humble_o ask_v your_o blessing_n as_o your_o lordship_n obedient_a son_n w._n mountagu_n the_o answer_n walter_n your_o letter_n send_v from_o paris_n tell_v i_o how_o much_o debate_v you_o have_v with_o yourself_o whether_o with_o silence_n to_o suspend_v my_o belief_n or_o by_o a_o clear_a profession_n to_o assure_v i_o what_o you_o fear_v to_o present_v i_o but_o what_o be_v most_o satisfactory_a to_o the_o first_o duty_n to_o god_n that_o you_o think_v most_o justifiable_a to_o your_o derivative_a duty_n to_o nature_n therefore_o resolve_v to_o give_v i_o a_o ingenuous_a account_n of_o the_o declaration_n you_o have_v make_v then_o have_v you_o ask_v my_o counsel_n before_o you_o signify_v the_o resolution_n it_o will_v have_v show_v more_o duty_n in_o you_o and_o breed_v less_o discontent_n in_o i_o but_o think_v how_o welcome_a that_o letter_n can_v be_v that_o at_o once_o tell_v of_o the_o intention_n and_o signify_v the_o resolution_n say_v you_o can_v not_o expect_v from_o i_o so_o much_o theological_a learning_n as_o to_o satisfy_v your_o scruple_n yet_o it_o have_v be_v a_o fair_a address_n of_o a_o son_n to_o a_o father_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o that_o importance_n nor_o be_v you_o ignorant_a of_o my_o care_n i_o dare_v say_v knowledge_n study_v for_o the_o settlement_n of_o my_o child_n in_o that_o true_a faith_n which_o their_o father_n profess_v and_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v establish_v therefore_o it_o will_v have_v be_v your_o great_a justification_n and_o my_o less_o sorrow_n so_o to_o have_v lose_v yourself_o with_o love_n that_o i_o can_v not_o have_v hold_v you_o in_o with_o religious_a reason_n happy_o you_o will_v return_v upon_o i_o the_o misconstruction_n of_o that_o speech_n if_o any_o man_n come_v to_o i_o and_o hate_v not_o his_o father_n he_o can_v be_v my_o disciple_n but_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o by_o this_o post-dated_a duty_n you_o have_v trespass_v upon_o love_n duty_n for_o you_o have_v rob_v i_o of_o the_o mean_n of_o help_v you_o with_o my_o advice_n which_o as_o it_o be_v the_o best_a part_n of_o a_o father_n portion_n to_o give_v so_o it_o be_v not_o the_o least_o testimony_n of_o filial_a duty_n to_o ask_v now_o to_o lay_v such_o a_o blemish_n upon_o all_o the_o care_n of_o your_o former_a education_n as_o not_o to_o think_v i_o worthy_a to_o see_v the_o aim_n until_o you_o have_v set_v up_o your_o rest_n be_v such_o a_o neglect_n that_o without_o overmuch_o fatherly_a candour_n can_v be_v force_v into_o a_o excusable_a interpretation_n it_o make_v i_o suspect_v that_o some_o politic_a respect_n or_o private_a seducement_n if_o not_o discontentment_n have_v wrought_v upon_o you_o policy_n and_o religion_n as_o they_o do_v well_o together_o so_o do_v they_o as_o ill_o asunder_o the_o one_o be_v too_o cunning_a to_o be_v good_a the_o other_o be_v too_o simple_a to_o be_v safe_a but_o upon_o policy_n to_o change_v religion_n there_o be_v no_o warrant_n for_o that_o less_o for_o discontentment_n or_o upon_o seducement_n when_o i_o look_v upon_o your_o letter_n which_o you_o term_v a_o ingenuous_a account_n of_o yourself_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o not_o a_o account_n of_o your_o new_a profess_a religion_n but_o rather_o a_o exprobration_n of_o i_o and_o so_o of_o we_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v i_o know_v the_o doubt_n before_o i_o may_v have_v be_v a_o adviser_n but_o object_v they_o after_o you_o have_v resolve_v you_o call_v i_o up_o now_o to_o be_v a_o disputer_n although_o i_o be_v of_o his_o opinion_n who_o think_v that_o truth_n do_v oftentimes_o suffer_v by_o too_o much_o altercation_n it_o be_v a_o common_a error_n among_o great_a clerk_n to_o contend_v more_o for_o victory_n than_o for_o verity_n yet_o since_o you_o have_v so_o punctual_o lead_v i_o into_o it_o though_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o my_o first_o resolution_n of_o silence_n else_o you_o have_v hear_v from_o i_o soon_o and_o find_v that_o the_o letter_n you_o send_v i_o have_v a_o far_a reach_n then_o to_o give_v i_o satisfaction_n else_o the_o copy_n of_o it_o will_v have_v not_o be_v divulge_v before_o i_o come_v to_o receive_v it_o and_o use_v make_v of_o it_o to_o my_o discomfort_n i_o therefore_o think_v myself_o tie_v to_o give_v you_o a_o answer_n lest_o those_o of_o your_o new_a profession_n shall_v think_v as_o some_o of_o they_o say_v that_o a_o new_a lapsorian_a be_v more_o able_a by_o a_o few_o day_n discipline_n to_o oppose_v our_o religion_n than_o a_o old_a father_n and_o long_a professor_n be_v able_a to_o defend_v it_o have_v this_o tie_n upon_o i_o i_o hope_v on_o the_o one_o side_n our_o learned_a divine_n will_v pardon_v i_o if_o for_o my_o son_n sake_n i_o dip_v my_o pen_n in_o their_o ink_n and_o you_o on_o the_o other_o side_n will_v lay_v my_o argument_n more_o to_o heart_n as_o proceed_v from_o the_o bowel_n of_o a_o father_n then_o if_o they_o have_v be_v frame_v by_o the_o brain_n of_o a_o learned_a divine_a in_o this_o case_n also_o i_o have_v some_o advantage_n of_o other_o man_n who_o though_o they_o may_v write_v more_o learned_o yet_o can_v do_v it_o so_o feel_o for_o my_o interest_n be_v not_o only_o in_o the_o cause_n but_o in_o the_o person_n for_o who_o i_o may_v give_v a_o account_n if_o there_o be_v fail_v in_o my_o part_n to_o reduce_v he_o to_o truth_n a_o person_n who_o letter_n i_o take_v into_o my_o hand_n as_o he_o do_v the_o urn_n of_o his_o son_n ash_n to_o shed_v over_o it_o veras_fw-la lachrymas_fw-la as_o argument_n of_o the_o truth_n both_o which_o i_o hope_v shall_v persuade_v forcible_o if_o there_o be_v any_o of_o that_o blood_n leave_v in_o you_o that_o i_o give_v you_o it_o be_v true_a affection_n be_v not_o to_o rule_v religion_n yet_o in_o this_o way_n nature_n may_v cooperate_v with_o grace_n your_o letter_n say_v true_o the_o great_a part_n of_o your_o life_n capable_a of_o distinction_n of_o religion_n have_v be_v in_o place_n and_o conversant_a with_o person_n opposite_a to_o the_o faith_n i_o breed_v you_o in_o therefore_o you_o say_v it_o have_v be_v strange_a if_o natural_a curiosity_n without_o any_o spiritual_a provocation_n have_v not_o invite_v you_o with_o desire_n of_o look_v upon_o the_o foundation_n i_o tread_v on_o rather_o than_o hold_v fast_o blindfold_a by_o your_o education_n to_o be_v always_o carry_v away_o after_o it_o in_o your_o education_n god_n know_v my_o first_o care_n be_v to_o season_v you_o with_o true_a religion_n wherein_o from_o a_o boy_n you_o attain_v unto_o such_o knowledge_n as_o spain_n will_v witness_v when_o you_o be_v but_o a_o youth_n how_o strong_a a_o champion_n you_o be_v for_o the_o protestant_a profession_n the_o court_n of_o france_n nor_o yet_o all_o the_o prince_n court_n of_o christendom_n most_o of_o which_o you_o have_v visit_v can_v never_o till_o now_o taint_v your_o faith_n but_o always_o render_v you_o sound_v in_o the_o religion_n which_o you_o carry_v with_o you_o hence_o but_o now_o italy_n have_v turn_v you_o because_o england_n have_v discontent_v you_o in_o the_o last_o journey_n into_o italy_n as_o you_o say_v you_o apply_v all_o your_o leisure_n to_o confirm_v your_o judgement_n in_o the_o doctrine_n introduce_v by_o your_o education_n which_o if_o you_o have_v do_v serious_o you_o can_v not_o so_o soon_o nor_o will_v not_o at_o all_o upon_o so_o weak_a motive_n have_v let_v go_v your_o hold_n for_o of_o all_o other_o their_o tenant_n the_o two_o you_o mention_v be_v the_o weak_a and_o have_v receive_v clear_a satisfaction_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o you_o be_v resolve_v to_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n before_o you_o come_v at_o it_o and_o what_o you_o will_v not_o hold_v blindfold_o to_o give_v up_o blindfold_o which_o be_v worst_a can_v that_o be_v a_o motive_n to_o your_o desertion_n of_o our_o church_n as_o persuade_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o father_n of_o our_o faith_n yourself_o can_v forget_v but_o how_o that_o we_o build_v our_o faith_n upon_o christ_n not_o upon_o luther_n upon_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o scripture_n not_o upon_o the_o invention_n of_o man_n can_v it_o be_v prove_v against_o we_o that_o luther_n or_o any_o other_o man_n how_o gray-headed_a soever_o be_v the_o inventor_n of_o our_o faith_n there_o need_v no_o more_o to_o be_v say_v we_o will_v

other_o other_o out_o of_o which_o by_o compare_v their_o doctrine_n with_o the_o scripture_n man_n may_v draw_v a_o perfect_a body_n of_o truth_n and_o though_o they_o deliver_v few_o other_o truth_n yet_o in_o deliver_v scripture_n wherein_o all_o necessary_a truth_n be_v contain_v they_o deliver_v all_o and_o by_o that_o rule_n whosoever_o regulate_v his_o life_n and_o doctrine_n i_o be_o confident_a that_o though_o he_o may_v mistake_v error_n for_o truth_n in_o the_o way_n he_o shall_v never_o mistake_v hell_n for_o heaven_n in_o the_o end_n seven_o his_o next_o reason_n be_v their_o common_a achilles_n the_o four_o of_o the_o ephesian_n which_o he_o choose_v only_o to_o employ_v like_o his_o triarios_fw-la his_o main_a battle_n leave_v his_o velite_n his_o light_a arm_a soldier_n some_o place_n too_o allegorical_a even_o in_o his_o own_o opinion_n to_o stand_v examination_n the_o word_n be_v these_o he_o have_v give_v some_o prophet_n some_o apostle_n some_o evangelist_n some_o pastor_n and_o some_o doctor_n for_o the_o instauration_n of_o the_o saint_n for_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n till_o we_o all_o meet_v in_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n unto_o a_o perfect_a man_n and_o unto_o the_o measure_n of_o the_o age_n of_o the_o fullness_n of_o christ_n that_o we_o may_v be_v no_o more_o child_n toss_v and_o carry_v away_o with_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n verse_n 11_o 12_o 13._o now_o out_o of_o this_o place_n i_o see_v not_o how_o a_o succession_n may_v be_v evince_v rather_o i_o think_v it_o may_v that_o the_o apostle_n mean_v none_o for_o first_o he_o say_v not_o he_o will_v give_v but_o he_o have_v give_v and_o who_o can_v suppose_v that_o the_o apostle_n can_v say_v that_o christ_n have_v give_v then_o the_o present_a pope_n and_o the_o doctor_n who_o now_o adhere_v to_o he_o second_o allow_v that_o by_o he_o have_v give_v be_v mean_v he_o have_v promise_v which_o will_v be_v a_o gloss_n not_o much_o unlike_o to_o that_o which_o one_o of_o the_o most_o witty_a and_o most_o eloquent_a of_o our_o modern_a divine_n doctor_n dun_a note_n of_o statuimus_fw-la i_o abrogamus_fw-la yet_o since_o these_o several_a noun_n be_v all_o govern_v by_o the_o same_o verb_n and_o no_o distinction_n put_v it_o will_v prove_v as_o well_o a_o necessity_n of_o a_o continual_a succession_n of_o apostle_n prophet_n and_o evangelist_n as_o of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n which_o be_v more_o then_o either_o they_o can_v show_v or_o pretend_v they_o can_v so_o that_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o to_o follow_v that_o these_o be_v then_o give_v to_o do_v this_o till_o then_o and_o not_o a_o succession_n of_o they_o promise_v till_o then_o to_o do_v this_o and_o so_o we_o receive_v and_o retain_v the_o scripture_n wherein_o what_o they_o teach_v be_v contain_v as_o we_o will_v any_o thing_n else_o that_o have_v as_o general_a and_o ancient_a a_o tradition_n if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o need_v no_o more_o for_o if_o he_o say_v that_o man_n be_v toss_v for_o all_o the_o scripture_n i_o answer_v so_o be_v they_o for_o all_o these_o doctor_n nay_o if_o these_o keep_v any_o from_o be_v toss_v it_o be_v the_o scripture_n which_o do_v it_o upon_o which_o their_o authority_n be_v by_o they_o found_v upon_o their_o own_o interpretation_n and_o reason_n who_o yet_o will_v not_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o build_v any_o thing_n upon_o we_o out_o of_o plain_a place_n and_o though_o they_o tell_v we_o that_o we_o can_v know_v the_o scripture_n but_o from_o the_o church_n they_o be_v yet_o fain_o as_o appear_v to_o prove_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n out_o of_o scripture_n which_o make_v i_o ask_v they_o in_o the_o word_n of_o their_o own_o campian_n and_o with_o much_o more_o cause_n nihilne_n pudet_fw-la labyrinthi_n eigth_o there_o follow_v a_o other_o reason_n to_o this_o sense_n that_o reason_n not_o be_v able_a to_o show_v away_o to_o eternal_a happiness_n and_o without_o such_o a_o one_o man_n will_v fail_v of_o the_o end_n to_o which_o he_o be_v ordain_v it_o must_v be_v propose_v by_o a_o infallible_a authority_n in_o so_o plain_a a_o manner_n as_o even_o the_o simple_a may_v be_v capable_a of_o it_o which_o be_v perform_v by_o our_o saviour_n it_o must_v be_v convey_v to_o succeed_a age_n by_o those_o who_o hear_v it_o from_o he_o and_o whensoever_o this_o thread_n fail_v mankind_n be_v leave_v without_o a_o guide_n to_o inevitable_a ruin_n i_o answer_v that_o though_o all_o this_o be_v grant_v it_o prove_v not_o against_o we_o for_o we_o have_v the_o scripture_n come_v down_o to_o we_o relate_v christ_n doctrine_n and_o write_v by_o those_o that_o hear_v it_o and_o which_o the_o simple_a be_v capable_a of_o understanding_n i_o mean_v as_o much_o as_o be_v plain_a and_o more_o be_v not_o necessary_a since_o other_o question_n may_v as_o well_o be_v suffer_v without_o harm_n as_o those_o between_o the_o jesuit_n and_o dominican_n about_o predetermination_n and_o between_o the_o dominican_n and_o almost_o all_o the_o rest_n about_o the_o immacultate_fw-la conception_n and_o those_o who_o be_v not_o neither_o be_v they_o capable_a out_o of_o scripture_n to_o discern_v the_o true_a church_n much_o less_o by_o any_o of_o these_o note_n which_o require_v much_o understanding_n and_o large_a learning_n as_o conformity_n with_o the_o ancient_n and_o such_o like_a nine_o the_o same_o answer_n i_o give_v to_o this_o serve_v also_o to_o the_o follow_a word_n of_o saint_n austin_n for_o whereas_o master_n montague_n conclude_v that_o he_o can_v not_o mean_v the_o scripture_n as_o a_o competent_a rule_n to_o mankind_n which_o consist_v most_o of_o simple_a person_n because_o there_o have_v be_v continual_a altercation_n about_o the_o sense_n of_o important_a place_n i_o answer_v that_o i_o may_v as_o well_o conclude_v by_o the_o same_o logic_n that_o neither_o be_v the_o church_n a_o competent_a guide_n because_o in_o all_o age_n there_o have_v also_o be_v dispute_n not_o only_o about_o her_o authority_n but_o even_o which_o be_v she_o and_o to_o whatsoever_o reason_n he_o impute_v this_o to_o the_o same_o may_v we_o the_o other_o as_o to_o negligence_n pride_n prejudication_n and_o the_o like_a and_o if_o he_o please_v to_o search_v i_o very_o believe_v he_o will_v find_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v both_o easy_a to_o be_v know_v then_o the_o church_n and_o that_o it_o be_v as_o easy_a to_o know_v what_o these_o teach_v as_o when_o that_o have_v define_v since_o they_o hold_v no_o decree_n bind_v de_fw-la fide_fw-la without_o a_o confirmation_n of_o the_o pope_n who_o can_v never_o be_v know_v infallible_o to_o be_v a_o pope_n because_o a_o secret_a simony_n make_v he_o none_o no_o not_o to_o be_v a_o christian_a because_o want_v of_o due_a intention_n in_o the_o baptizer_n make_v he_o none_o whereof_o the_o latter_a be_v always_o possible_a and_o the_o first_o in_o some_o age_n likely_a and_o in_o hard_a question_n a_o readiness_n to_o yield_v to_o the_o scripture_n when_o they_o shall_v be_v explain_v methinks_v shall_v serve_v as_o well_o as_o a_o readiness_n to_o assent_v to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n when_o those_o shall_v be_v pronounce_v ten_o he_o say_v the_o scripture_n must_v be_v keep_v safe_a in_o some_o hand_n who_o authority_n must_v beget_v our_o acceptance_n of_o they_o which_o be_v no_o other_o than_o the_o church_n of_o all_o age_n we_o have_v no_o more_o reason_n to_o believe_v that_o it_o have_v preserve_v that_o free_a from_o corruption_n then_o its_o self_n in_o a_o continual_a visibility_n i_o answer_v that_o neither_o to_o give_v authority_n to_o scripture_n nor_o to_o the_o keep_n of_o they_o be_v require_v a_o continual_a visibility_n of_o a_o no_o way_n err_v body_n of_o christian_n the_o writer_n of_o they_o give_v they_o their_o authority_n among_o christian_n nor_o can_v the_o church_n move_v any_o other_o and_o that_o they_o be_v the_o writer_n of_o they_o we_o receive_v from_o the_o general_a tradition_n and_o testimony_n of_o the_o first_o christian_n not_o from_o any_o follow_a church_n who_o can_v know_v nothing_o of_o it_o but_o from_o they_o for_o for_o those_o part_n which_o be_v then_o doubt_v of_o by_o such_o as_o be_v not_o condemn_v for_o it_o by_o the_o rest_n why_o may_v not_o we_o remain_v in_o the_o same_o suspense_n of_o they_o that_o they_o do_v and_o for_o their_o be_v keep_v and_o convey_v this_o be_v not_o do_v only_o by_o their_o church_n but_o by_o the_o greek_n and_o there_o be_v no_o reason_n to_o say_v that_o to_o the_o keep_n and_o transmit_v of_o record_n safe_o it_o be_v require_v to_o understand_v they_o perfect_o since_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v keep_v

all_o the_o rest_n and_o not_o only_o so_o to_o we_o but_o to_o all_o man_n whereas_o this_o though_o grant_v necessary_a and_o determine_v to_o his_o wish_n will_v indeed_o conclude_v against_o we_o but_o not_o for_o they_o since_o the_o greek_a church_n will_v put_v in_o as_o good_a plea_n upon_o the_o title_n of_o visibility_n as_o that_o of_o rome_n and_o he_o will_v be_v to_o begin_v anew_o with_o they_o when_o he_o have_v end_v with_o we_o four_o he_o give_v his_o reason_n if_o luther_n can_v be_v evict_v to_o be_v the_o innovator_n his_o religion_n be_v then_o evict_v of_o not_o be_v the_o true_a ancient_n and_o apostolical_a to_o this_o i_o answer_v by_o confess_v the_o consequence_n but_o he_o may_v be_v the_o renovator_n and_o not_o the_o innovator_n and_o then_o no_o such_o consequence_n follow_v five_o he_o say_v we_o be_v bind_v to_o find_v a_o existence_n of_o some_o professor_n of_o the_o reform_a religion_n before_o luther_n which_o requiry_n be_v ground_v upon_o his_o supposition_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o a_o continual_a succession_n of_o a_o visible_a and_o no_o way_n erroneous_a church_n now_o i_o will_v first_o examine_v the_o sense_n of_o his_o term_n by_o the_o first_o i_o conceive_v by_o a_o place_n he_o cite_v out_o of_o saint_n augustine_n that_o he_o mean_v visible_a to_o all_o nation_n but_o i_o pray_v have_v his_o be_v always_o so_o i_o mean_v at_o least_o for_o many_o century_n to_o those_o nation_n which_o columbus_n have_v not_o long_o since_o discover_v by_o the_o second_o term_v church_n i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v a_o company_n of_o christian_n hold_v neither_o more_o or_o less_o than_o christ_n teach_v for_o in_o a_o more_o large_a sense_n no_o man_n deny_v the_o church_n to_o have_v be_v always_o in_o some_o degree_n visible_a and_o in_o this_o sense_n i_o not_o only_o deny_v it_o necessary_a that_o it_o shall_v always_o be_v visible_a but_o that_o it_o shall_v always_o be_v for_o i_o doubt_v whether_o there_o be_v or_o for_o a_o long_a while_n have_v be_v any_o such_o next_o that_o such_o a_o one_o as_o he_o mean_v appear_v because_o when_o catalogue_n have_v be_v bring_v of_o some_o who_o in_o all_o age_n have_v differ_v from_o they_o in_o thing_n which_o we_o hold_v his_o side_n will_v not_o accept_v of_o they_o because_o they_o agree_v not_o with_o we_o in_o all_o thing_n and_o yet_o when_o campian_n intend_v to_o prove_v all_o the_o father_n to_o be_v his_o he_o use_v only_o this_o course_n of_o instance_v in_o some_o wherein_o they_o agree_v with_o he_o though_o sometime_o not_o so_o much_o but_o rather_o the_o contrary_a aught_o to_o be_v infer_v as_o in_o the_o instance_n of_o polycarpus_n for_o compare_v his_o word_n with_o the_o history_n it_o will_v appear_v that_o he_o conclude_v he_o a_o papist_n for_o not_o be_v persuade_v by_o the_o pope_n though_o they_o differ_v from_o they_o in_o many_o other_o as_o indeed_o all_o the_o notable_a father_n do_v in_o more_o than_o one_o point_n i_o will_v therefore_o say_v that_o if_o this_o be_v require_v to_o show_v that_o a_o church_n have_v be_v ever_o visible_a it_o be_v more_o than_o either_o part_n can_v do_v and_o therefore_o i_o hope_v they_o will_v come_v upon_o better_a consideration_n to_o confess_v that_o not_o necessary_a for_o we_o to_o do_v which_o be_v impossible_a for_o themselves_o for_o let_v any_o man_n look_v into_o antiquity_n i_o will_v not_o say_v without_o all_o prejudice_n but_o without_o a_o absolute_a resolution_n of_o see_v nothing_o in_o it_o that_o contradict_v his_o present_a belief_n and_o if_o he_o find_v not_o some_o opinion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o unknown_a to_o antiquity_n as_o either_o he_o or_o i_o as_o the_o pope_n indulgenge_n have_v power_n to_o deliver_v out_o of_o purgatory_n confess_v by_o bishop_n fisher_n and_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n where_o they_o treat_v of_o indulgence_n if_o he_o find_v not_o other_o at_o first_o unknown_a after_o know_v but_o not_o hold_v de_fw-la fide_fw-la which_o be_v yet_o so_o at_o rome_n as_o prayer_n to_o saint_n their_o enjoy_v the_o beatifical_a vision_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n the_o assumption_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o her_o be_v free_a from_o all_o actual_a sin_n if_o he_o find_v not_o some_o whole_o unknown_a and_o absolute_o condemn_v which_o we_o condemn_v as_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o picture_v of_o god_n the_o father_n whereof_o the_o first_o be_v confess_v by_o baronius_n in_o the_o margin_n to_o a_o epistle_n of_o a_o pope_n which_o say_v the_o same_o and_o the_o latter_a be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o c._n many_o place_n of_o saint_n austin_n lactantius_n and_o other_o nay_o if_o he_o find_v not_o that_o all_o the_o doctor_n saint_n and_o martyr_n of_o the_o two_o first_o age_n i_o mean_v as_o many_o as_o be_v now_o extant_a and_o speak_v of_o it_o hold_v something_o which_o both_o party_n condemn_v as_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o chiliast_n if_o i_o say_v he_o find_v not_o this_o or_o i_o show_v he_o not_o that_o he_o may_v have_v find_v it_o i_o profess_v i_o will_v be_v ready_a to_o spend_v my_o life_n for_o the_o church_n against_o which_o i_o now_o employ_v my_o pen_n so_o that_o this_o will_v be_v the_o end_n neither_o of_o our_o church_n have_v be_v always_o visible_a only_o this_o be_v the_o difference_n that_o we_o be_v trouble_v to_o show_v our_o church_n in_o the_o latter_a and_o more_o corrupt_a age_n and_o they_o they_o in_o the_o first_o and_o pure_a that_o we_o can_v least_o find_v we_o at_o night_n and_o they_o they_o at_o noon_n and_o whereas_o he_o expect_v that_o d._n white_n shall_v stand_v to_o this_o to_o confess_v his_o religion_n false_a if_o a_o continual_a descent_n of_o it_o can_v not_o be_v demonstrate_v if_o he_o himself_o please_v to_o grant_v as_o much_o as_o he_o exact_v if_o he_o but_o continue_v in_o this_o resolution_n and_o in_o this_o search_n i_o doubt_v no_o more_o but_o that_o he_o will_v soon_o leave_v to_o be_v a_o papist_n than_o i_o shall_v doubt_v if_o i_o see_v he_o now_o receive_v the_o communion_n in_o the_o king_n chapel_n that_o he_o have_v do_v it_o already_o six_o his_o reason_n for_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o visibility_n follow_v because_o the_o contrary_a be_v a_o derogation_n from_o god_n power_n or_o providence_n i_o answer_v to_o say_v he_o can_v not_o keep_v the_o truth_n exact_o in_o man_n belief_n be_v to_o derogate_v from_o god_n power_n to_o say_v he_o have_v not_o give_v sufficient_a mean_n to_o find_v the_o truth_n and_o yet_o damn_a man_n for_o error_n the_o first_o will_v be_v a_o derogation_n from_o his_o providence_n the_o second_o from_o his_o justice_n but_o to_o say_v he_o suffer_v man_n to_o err_v who_o neglect_n the_o mean_n of_o not_o err_v and_o that_o he_o damn_v none_o for_o a_o mere_a error_n in_o which_o the_o will_n have_v no_o part_n and_o consequent_o the_o man_n no_o fault_n derogate_v from_o none_o of_o the_o three_o but_o say_v he_o this_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o main_a reason_n why_o god_n have_v a_o church_n upon_o earth_n to_o be_v the_o conserver_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o to_o convey_v it_o from_o age_n to_o age_n i_o answer_v to_o conserve_v it_o be_v every_o man_n duty_n but_o such_o as_o they_o may_v all_o fail_v in_o and_o be_v indeed_o rather_o the_o form_n of_o the_o church_n than_o the_o end_n of_o the_o church_n a_o exact_a conservation_n make_v a_o exact_a church_n as_o a_o less_o perfect_a conserve_n a_o less_o perfect_a church_n as_o for_o conveyance_n of_o doctrine_n the_o whole_a church_n convey_v none_o whereof_o many_o if_o his_o be_v it_o have_v have_v but_o little_o convey_v to_o they_o particular_a christian_n especial_o pastor_n teach_v other_o which_o it_o be_v every_o man_n duty_n to_o do_v when_o he_o meet_v with_o they_o who_o want_v instruction_n which_o he_o can_v give_v and_o they_o be_v likely_a to_o receive_v yet_o be_v not_o the_o instruction_n of_o other_o every_o man_n main_n end_n but_o i_o know_v master_n montague_n persuade_v himself_o that_o some_o body_n of_o man_n be_v appoint_v to_o convey_v this_o doctrine_n which_o man_n be_v to_o receive_v only_o because_o they_o deliver_v it_o and_o this_o i_o absolute_o deny_v for_o we_o receive_v no_o doctrine_n from_o the_o church_n upon_o the_o church_n authority_n because_o we_o know_v she_o not_o to_o be_v the_o church_n till_o we_o have_v examine_v her_o doctrine_n and_o so_o receive_v rather_o she_o for_o it_o than_o it_o for_o she_o neither_o for_o the_o conveyance_n of_o the_o truth_n be_v it_o necessary_a that_o any_o company_n of_o man_n in_o all_o time_n hold_v it_o all_o because_o some_o may_v convey_v some_o truth_n and_o