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A45737 The foundation and rise of many of the practices, customs, and formallities of the priests, lawyers, and people of England examined, and found to be from the pope and his authority in some queries to the priests, lawyers, and professors, for any of them to answer : in order to the purging of themselves (if they can) from being truly adjudged the practisers and upholders of the Popes superstitions innovations, institutions, and imposings, since the time (and against the practises) of the Apostles, and pure primitive church / by a member of the true Church that is in God, in whose name and behalf this is printed, by me, Thomas Hart. Hart, Thomas, 1629-1704. 1659 (1659) Wing H963; ESTC R10271 22,097 31

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maintain this by his power and then gave to the Colledges the names of the Saints Now come and see all if you can stand on your own Leggs without the Popes Doctrine without the Popes Orders without the Popes Teaching without the Popes Wisdom without the Popes Instructions and if you can give Names to your Houses without the Popes counsel give names to your called Churches without the Popes counsel and give names to your Dayes without him was not he the first that called them Churches and holy Houses come let us see how you can stand now and throw the Popes counsel aside the Popes Doctrine the Popes wisdom come ye that be of your Colledges and Priests and Lawyers and Judges let us see how you can name your dayes and your months not as the Pope and the Heathen do see how you can name them let us see if you have a wisdom beyond their wisdom and how you can have your dayes and months and not as the Heathen not as the Pope and his counsel let us see how you can stand on your own leggs without the Popes help and Heathens help and authority what are not ye able to give Names to your Dayes to your Months to your Colledges to the Houses your Colledges by the Names that the Papists gave them and your names as the Heathen did O what is your ignorance Were the Apostles seven years at a School before they went and preached Christ oh abominable and were not the Papists the first beginners of this and was not all this in the Apostacy since the Apostles and must the Spirit be quenched in others that have not served the Apprentiship and is not this like another Trade that till I have served seven years I may not set up there was a Law to the contrary and has not this Law been among the Priests that none shall speak in their Steeple-houses or Pulpits or speak to them without a prison and does not all this smell and taste of ●he Pope who had a Law that none should speak to the Pri●…ts but it was called Disturbance as witness Queen Mary one of the arms of his Tree where he least sheltred under and has not all his limiting the holy One quenchi●… the Sprit been since the dayes of the Apostles amongst the ap●…es from the true Church who said if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace you may all prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted for God was not the author of confusion but of pence and this was in all the Churches of the Saints Now is not this confusion amongst you and your Teachers to bid him hold his tongue there is something revealed to another that sits by and shews that all your Church be in the apostacy from the Apostles Doctrine and you be all them that be gone from the Spirit that the Apostles and Saints were in that gave forth the Scripture but only have the Sheeps cloathing the outside and has not that covered the Woolvish spirit in you has not the Fruits in this Age declated it did ever any of the Apostles before their decease or the Churches make such work amongst the people for Tythes as you do in your Parishes which is this day one of the greatest things in the Nation that you are suing haling the people before Courts Justices Benches for Maintenance whom you are not able to resist in the spirit with all your Logick Learning who have been seven years at your Trade at yous Schools that a company of innocent people which many of them cannot read letters should confound all your wisdom which before them is not able to stand wonder and be ashamed and confess that the Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures is again made manifest Query 11. When Queen Mary had set up Popery in the Nation was there not many of the people then in those daies which cryed against popery and cryed against the popish Priests and went into the popish houses the Steeple-houses then did not she make a Law and a Decree that whosoever did disturb Priest or Curate in the Church or Church-yard preaching singing or giving the Mass defacing or marring a Cross in the Church or Church-yard he should be imprisoned three months and was not it called maliciously and wittingly done that to mar their Crosses then and cry against their Priests then and was not he called a disturber that would have marred their Crosses or broken their Pictures out of the windows or spoke to the priest in that they call their Church or Church-yard and did not many of them suffer imprisonment and some of them Martyrs and has not the priests of our Age been by the same Law guarded that has the popish House and their Church as they call it and Church-yard and Cross on the end of it and pictures in the windows of it and if any did speak to the Priest in the Popish house that they call the Church he was to suffer by the same Law as a malicious disturber Now how has our Priests here of the Nation renounced Popery when they had their Law to guard them and cry the others did well in the dayes of Queen Mary that cryed against popery who suffered by the Law and they do ill now who suffer by the same Law because they cry against them that are guarded with it which many of the Martyrs suffered by and they used the same Weapons against such as the Lord God moved to cry against them Popery and Papists and Queen Maries Law and the popish House and Cross on the end of it and the Priests that uphold it and the Colledges by which they were made which were named of the Pope and the dayes which are named after the Saints and yet these which are covered with popery their Houses their Names their Maintenance their Tythes their Garments smell with it and have been guarded by the Papists Law such as they know cannot swear at all but declare against them and the Papists alsso to such they put the Oath of Abjuration to such as they know cannot swear who are true Christians out of the apostacy in the Doctrine of Christ and the Apostles before the Papists were who set their foot upon all the Papists upon the earth and their Likenesses and Images and Crosses and Crucifixes and all the train of it head and tail they trample under foot bred or born was not the Pope the first setter up that people should teach for handfuls of Barley and shocks of Corn and Pease and Wool and their Easter-Reckonings and Midsomer dues was not the Pope the first ordainer of this Come Priests and Lawyers and Judges how smells your Garments of popery in all these things where are your free Gospel-teachers when your Priests and Teachers are quarrelling with people for reek-pennies and plow-peannies and money for gardens bees foals milk eggs hemp and flax and apples and plums now
THE FOUNDATION AND Rise of many of the Practises Customs and Formallities of the Priests Lawyers and People of England Examined and found to be from the Pope and his Authority IN SOME QUERIES TO THE Priests Lawyers and Professors for any of them to ANSVVER In Order to the Purging of themselves if they can from being truly adjudged the Practisers and Upholders of the Popes Superstitions Innovations Institutions and Imposings since the time and against the Practises of the Apostles and pure Primitive Church By a Member of the true Church that is in God in whose Name and behalf this is Printed By me Thomas Hart. London Printed in the Year 1659. TO ALL THE Priests and Professors and Lawyers IN ENGLAND Answer us these Queries in Writing or Print Querie 1. WHether or no you are not Levened with the old way of Popery And whether or no you have not the old Leven of Popery amongst you secretly in your hearts and under your skirts and garments Come to plainness without any evasions Querie 2. Do not you call all your Courts in the Names of the Dayes given from the Pope and your Terms as Hillary Term Easter Term Trinity Term Michaelmas Term And do not you require all men to appear in your Courts by the Names of your Saint Dayes as eight dayes after St. Hillary fifteen dayes after St. Hillary eight dayes after the Purification and at so many dayes after Easter the morrow of the Ascention day the morrow of Trinity and so many dayes after Trinity and so many dayes after St. Michael the morrow of All Souls the morrow of St. Martin and the like And are not all these Reliques of Popery lodging in your bosome and shewing you have not the with nor wisdom ye Lawyers and Judges and Priests and Teachers beyond the papists and Pope to call your people to your Courts but in the Names of the dayes that the Pope has given now how are ye in the supream above the Pope how do you deny the Pope here and renounce Popery here or how do you renounce his supream power when these things are amongst you in your Authority in your Courts Now if you say ye cannot or know not how to call your people to your Courts in any other Name than the Pope has given to the dayes then he is your School Master then he is your Teacher and you have not found another Teacher yet then the Pope is head yet to teach you of Priests Lawyers and Judges to teach you to give Names to your dayes by which ye know the dayes and the people come to know that they must Answer on them at your Courts now if you say this is not Popery the naming of these dayes by the Saints names and appearing such a Saint day and calling your Terms and Courts by such dayes and then people to answer at the Term after such a Saint day of whom learned you it but of the Pope And was not he the Author of it did Christ or his Apostles teach you such a Doctrine or are you taught out of the Scriptures such a Doctrine Now if you have not the wisdom to give Names to your days Lawyers Teachers and Judges and Magistrates without the Popes help but be fain to call your dayes by the same names as the Pope gave how do not you feel his Superstitions amongst you does not his power stand up how is his Image slain are not those his Marks amongst you of his Leven were these Names of Saints amongst the Apostles before their decease or come up since their decease Come if you will have Popery renounced amongst you root and branch and reliques and the leven and his marks and his image and his power and his authority root out all that he set up root it out Querie 3. Who gave Names to all your Steeple-houses and called them Churches Were they not Papists Houses and their Names given to them by the Pope and his authority and power as St. Maries St. Peters St. Pauls and were these Steeple-houses ever St. Pauls St. Peters St. Maries St. Margarats c. Now has not the Popes power a high degree amongst you yet and has the Priests Lawyers Judges ever yet manifested a wisdom an understanding or knowledge beyond the Popes to teach the people not to call their houses by the Popes Names that he has given to them and not to call the dayes by the Popes Names that he has given to them as Saints dayes St. Luke St. John St. Matthew St. Mark St. Peter and Christmass and Easter and Whitsontide where did ever any of the Apostles or Saints before their discease name their dayes after this manner or teach the people to do so or Christ either but what has been since the dayes of the Apostles in the Apostacy and how are you come out of the Apostacy or to deny the Popes teachings though you may do it in words outwardly yet it s his wisdom and knowledge that has given Names to your dayes and to your Churches as you call them which are made use of by you and not anothers as is plainly declared by your fruits on the house top Now how can you say you are not Popishly affected when all these Dreggs are amongst you lyes in the Barrel unpurged out Querié 4. Are not all your Acts and Lawes given forth and made in the Name of such a day as Munday and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday and Satterday And such a Month as January and February and March and April and May and June and July and August has not all these things been learned of the Heathen and Papists the Papists who apostated from the truth and the Heathen who worshiped the Sun and Moon and Stars and shew that they have been your teachers their wisdom has taught you to name your Dayes and your Months and that you have not a wisdom beyond their wisdom to teach the people the contrary and does not this shew that you are apostated from the true Christians and the true Jewes who called the Dayes the First day and Second day and Third day and so to the Seventh day and First month Second month Third month and so to the Twelfth month And are not you that call your Months by the Names that the Heathen gave and call your Dayes by the Names of Saints that the papists gave them and by the names that the Heathen gave them as Suns day and Moons day that worshiped the Sun and called it the Suns day that worshiped the Moon and called it the Moons day that worshiped Saturn and called it Saturns day and the rest as your Almanacks declare form'd amongst the Papists and Heathen is not here Heathenism Popery and Idolatry both going together and Heathenism and Popery and you found amongst them and they amongst you out of the true Jewes life an language and of the true Christians Querie 5. And has not many of your biggest sort of Bibles called
successors have not you Tythes as they have have not you his Houses with Crosses on them do not you observe the Names that he gave to the Colledges do not you observe the Names that he gave dayes tell me of whose Family are you there is a stop between the Pope and the Apostles and you both but you and the Pope having had both the sheeps cloathing and the Wolf covered with it and you and he and them his Company are all the wrastlers against flesh and blood instead of bringing the Creatures into the liberty of the sons of God instead of destroying the power that captivates the Creatures and causes the enmity amongst Creatures destroying the creatures that be contrary minded to you and so that is the Popes spirit indeed and differs not a whit from it and so in that you are his successors but it is not the Apostles spirit so your Ministry and spirit and the Popes is quite another than the Apostles who warstled not against flesh and blood but against the powers and spiritual wickednesses so here is your spirits and the Popes tryed and found to be in the Apostacy Querie 13. And how would you have done to have kept your Sermons in your memory had not the Bible been turned into Chapters and Verses 450 years ago and was it not the Pope and such as belonged to him that turned it into Chapters and Verses and so have not you and the Pope been upon one border having had the Sheeps cloathing but neither you nor he can endure to hear talk of the light within men the annointing within men to teach them Christ within them the Spirit within to lead them the Word within to be obeyed that which may be known of God made manifest in them to come to before they retain God in their knowledge or retain his Covenant now this with you is called non sense and whymsies which was the pure Doctrine of the Apostles before your and the Popes apostacy with which pure Doctrine you and the Pope are fathomed and comprehended to which pure Doctrine people are now come and what you ravened from and what you went from to that which they and you and ravened from who are burst into Names and Sects and Heaps wanting the inside the life amongst you having the outside the sheeps cloathing wrastling against flesh and blood destroying one another about your Worship Teaching Ministry maintenance yea as I said before prisoning to death for your Bellies Now may not all see whether you be not inwardly ravening Wolves so have ravened from the Spirit the Pope and you in which is the Unity which the Scriptures were given forth from which is the bond of peace which the Apostles were in so to that which you and the Pope went from is people now coming and come with the same they see you comprehend you and fathom you where the Apostates and Pope and you left is now people come and to that must come if they come into Unity if they come to be succeeders of the Apostles Glory to the Lord for ever the Way is found the Key is found but not in the Popes hand nor yours as the manifestation is shewed to the whole world preached on the house top by prisons by inquisitions yea by prisoning to death for your Bellies and prisoning for your Bellies and summoning people up and down from Sizes to Sessions and Courts for your Bellies and destroying one another about the Prophets Christ's and the Apostles words and burst into Names Heaps Sects Heads about them so this doth shew That neither you nor the Pope nor any of his adherers nor Apostates since the Apostles have had the Key but the Key has been taken away from people by them that went from the Apostles which in wardly ravened but the Key is found your first going out is opened and the Apostates and apostacy seen and your garments are turned up and your Wolf is seen and your Grand-father the Pope seen and you have kept the Sheeps cloathing the outside and have been fighting with one another about so the way to break off from Popery is to come to that which the Pope and his adherents and Apostates went from which they ravened from that went from the Apostles and then destroy his image root out his Name from amongst you and his marks and receive them not call not your dayes by his naming and own not him to be your Teacher the Pope deny his Doctrine and deny Heathenish practises customs deny the Heathen to teach you to call your Months and your Week-dayes deny the Pope to teach you to name your Colledges as St. Peters St. Johns Trinities c. and deny the Popes Orders amongst your Teachers that are made Teachers at your Colledges if you will be called not the successors of the Pope and will have Popery broken down amongst you and break down your Glasses which you have preached and read your Sermons by by the hour like Sayers of the Masse and so have been the limiters of the holy One and quenchers of the Spirit none must speak in the time of his Glasse here is popish like and did not the true Apostle say You may all speak One by One If any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace is not this confusion amongst you and sets you all in confusion and disorder Are you the successors of the Apostles their Church and Ministry nay you are declared to be Apostates from them your Goals Prisons declare it Again If you will have Popery down and the smell of it out of the Laud down with your Papists houses with Crosses on the ends of them your Steeple-house called Churches and your Pulpits and your Tythes and your Offerings and your Glesb-lands away with them come out of the Earth and abroad in the Nations preach the Gospel without Bag Judas the betrayer was of the Ministry that carried the Bag the succession of the Apostles was turned against by the Apostates them that in wardly ravened and rent forth from the Apostles and so turned against them that kept the testimony of Jesus the Spirit of Prophesie who have long ravened up and down and raigned in the world but the Saints and the Lamb shall overcome them and the everlasting Gospel shall be preached to them that dwell upon the Earth and the holy Prophets shall rejoyce over her which went forth from the Apostles which made War against the Saints that turned against the Saints which the Saints and the Lamb shall again overcome and the everlasting Gospel be preached And is it not said The blood of the Martyrs the blood of the Saints the blood of the Prophets which the Whore the Beast and the false Prophets has slain they have drunk and made themselves drunk with it and are not you of them that persecure to death that P●ison to death the Saints because they cannot give you Tythes and have not you prisoned to
death many persecuted to death many in this Nation spilt the bloud of many in this Nation of the Saints prisoned to death in York prisoned to death in Durbam prisoned to death in Norwich prisoned to death in Lancaster prisoned to death in Colchester prisoned in Appleby till a little before death and in Bristol there prisoned till carried out in a Basket beaten and bruised and bloodshed and will not the bloud of the innocent cover you ‑ and many in the Nation lyes in prison how can you say you are the Apostles successors think you the Lord will not avenge himself of you for the bloud of his Saints for the bloud of his prophets and many beaten and bruised by you in your Steeple-houses and not long lived after and have not more of the Saints been prisoned by you and for you in this Nation within these four or five years last past then was in all Queen Maries dayes and ever since by Papists and Bishops Querie 14. Where did the Apostles the true Church set some dayes apart to eat Fish and not other Flesh as many of your people does on the dayes you call Wednesdayes and Fridayes and to observe Cbristmass Easter Whitsontide calling them Feastival times and making abundance of provision destroying the Creatures using Gaming Dancing disguising themselves and play dayes when and where by Cards Dice Shovel board Drinking much filthinesse is committed and abominable practises where did the Apostles or Saints any such things pract se or observe Shrove-tuesday Good-friday Albollow day is not the Pope the Father of all such as observe these they follow his Doctrine and do not you all hold up his Doctrine power and authority that holds up St. Michaels day St. Andrews day St. Matthews d●y St. Marks day St. Maries day Chaistmass day Whitsontide Easter your Feast dayes and Fast the Evens of them and Holy Thursday and has not the Pope been your Teacher where did Peter or Paul or any of the Apostles set up Stevens day before their decease or Jobn Baptists day or any of the Saints dayes that were slain before their decease or command that any should observe their dayes after them shew it by the Scripiure or else acknowledge you have kept the people in ignorance and have held up the Popes Doctrine and yet would seem to deny him and yet his foundation is standing and you have laid no other now how can you take the Oath of Abjuration and the foundation of Popery yet standing amongst you and you have built upon it from generation to generation and have not openly declared against it but kept people in ignorance and thus has people been kept and nursed up in Superstition and Idolatry by such as you that have served your bellies and speak against the Pope in words while his foundation is lying amongst you this is the worst of mens conditions to speak a gainst men behind their backs but make use of their wisdom doctrine and understanding for their ends for their ease Come search the Scriptures and see if ever there were such things amongst the Apostles and see how far you are from the Apostles and how near of kin to the Pope do you think that all your works shall not be brought to judgement Queris 15. And how differ you from the Papists and the Pope who say the Spirit is in the Sacrament as you call it and the Pope saith it s his body after consecration and what is it that you have your priests and Teachers in England which is not from the Pope and what foundation have you to stand upon but what he has laid in all your practice as your making Ministers by Colledges as he did and doth and your Orders and degrees from him and sprinkling Infants from him and your singing Davids Conditions in Meetre from him your Tythes and Maintenance from him and your Churches from him and your Bells from him and have not you many old popish and heathenish books which your children read and are taught in and do not you set a cross before their A. B. C. calling it Christs cross and so begin to train them up in popery as soon as they can speak train them up with old Popish books and way of Learning and then send them to the papists Colledge till they be fit to go to the popish-house to get theirliving are not your daies named by the Pope and your observing of times from the Pope and the names of your Colledges from the Pope and the names of your Steeple-houses from him and the names of your week-daies and months left to you by the Pope your praying before and after Sermon left to you by Pope and your preaching by hour-glasses and your taking Texts and your Clerks to say Amen and your Ringing so many times and the setting of your Steeple-houses east and west and your churching of Women from him and your Marrying and your serving so long at Colledges before you be made Ministers from the Pope your wearing long Robes and black cloaths and your being called of men Master seeing Christ said Be not ye called of men Master and your Pulpit set in the highest place of the Assemblies from the Pope and was not he him that laid this foundation for you upon which you stand and how can you take the Oath of Abjuration when your heads are covered with Popery the Cioss stands over your houses over your heads was not your Steeple-houses from the Pope and your sweating from the Pope seeing Christ saith Swear not at all is not all your burying your people in that which hath been called hallowed ground from the Pope and your praying with two caps on your heads and preaching and yet saying if a man have a hat on he is covered Is not your Tythes Easter-reckonings Midsummer-dues Oblations Obventions Mortuaries all from the pope and did not he lay this foundation and have not you built on it and are not you building on it yet and was this the foundation of the Apostles or the Saints before their decease or the apostates from them who built all your Parsonage-houses and gave you all your Gleab-lands and the Tenths of all mens labours and who set up First-fruits and Tenths but the Pope since the dayes of the apostacy from the Apostles did not he claim them as his wages and if you have denied the Pope and his work why do you still pay his wages and take it how many hundred thousand pounds a year is gotten in this Nation by you that make a trade of the Scriptures whose foundation in so doing was never from the Apostles nor those that gave forth the Scriptures but from the pope and those that are apostated from the Apostles Now are not the hidden things of popery brought to light and ripped up as the hidden things of Esau was in the time of old now are not the Hypocrites seen that cry against the Pope in words and stands upon their foundation which is