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the_o church_n of_o scotland_n now_o constitute_v to_o be_v for_o further_o clear_v their_o mistake_n in_o this_o matter_n we_o shall_v branch-out_a this_o assertion_n in_o these_o 1._o we_o plead_v not_o for_o submission_n to_o a_o incompetent_a judicatorie_a or_o a_o judicatory_a not_o ecclesiastical_a upon_o this_o account_n among_o other_o reason_n to_o be_v after_o mention_v as_o they_o may_v have_v spare_v amos_n his_o not_o submit_v to_o amaziah_n pag._n 100_o who_o be_v not_o his_o judge_n and_o the_o apostle_n not_o submit_v to_o the_o council_n at_o jerusalem_n pag._n 101._o which_o be_v no_o judge-competent_a to_o any_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n there_o be_v other_o court_v appoint_v for_o the_o government_n thereof_o as_o they_o conveen_v a_o synod_n for_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n and_o censure_v of_o offender_n act._n 15._o so_o all_o their_o instance_n of_o non-submission_n of_o church-officer_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o their_o office_n 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conclude_v not_o take_v from_o the_o practice_n of_o minister_n not_o submit_v to_o the_o sentence_n of_o prelate_n in_o this_o church_n pag._n 55._o for_o 1_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a to_o we_o that_o they_o do_v not_o submit_v to_o the_o censure_n inflict_v we_o do_v find_v the_o contrary_a suppose_a in_o the_o write_n of_o these_o time_n both_o of_o one_o side_n and_o other_o that_o upon_o these_o sentence_n they_o be_v to_o be_v put_v out_o of_o their_o place_n as_o be_v insinuate_v in_o a_o treatise_n publish_v anno_fw-la 1620._o by_o a_o opposer_n of_o conformity_n bear_v the_o title_n of_o a_o dialogue_n betwixt_o cosmophilus_n and_o theophilus_n as_o also_o in_o mr._n struthers_n letter_n to_o the_o earl_n of_o airth_n in_o the_o year_n 1630._o print_v 1635._o it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o they_o preach_v after_o their_o sentence_n but_o it_o be_v to_o be_v remember_v that_o whatever_o be_v the_o after-strictnesse_n of_o prelate_n in_o their_o canon_n publish_v anno_fw-la 1636._o 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null_a far_o contrary_a to_o the_o book_n of_o discipline_n where_o it_o be_v express_o provide_v that_o eldership_n or_o presbytery_n must_v alter_v no_o rule_n make_v by_o general_n or_o provincial_n assembly_n book_n 2._o chap._n 7._o pag._n 81._o and_o no_o less_o contrary_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o beza_n epist_n 44._o pag._n 244._o who_o judge_v it_o iniquissimum_fw-la &_o intolerabile_fw-la etc._n etc._n most_o injust_a and_o intolerable_a that_o thing_n conclude_v in_o a_o general_n synod_n shall_v be_v rescind_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o one_o consistory_n unless_o the_o party_n pass_v from_o his_o right_n or_o thing_n be_v agree_v among_o party_n without_o any_o detriment_n to_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n v._o as_o to_o the_o nature_n of_o this_o submission_n or_o manner_n of_o performance_n thereof_o two_o thing_n be_v worthy_a our_o consideration_n for_o further_a clear_v the_o truth_n in_o this_o particular_a 1._o that_o in_o plead_v for_o submission_n in_o matter_n of_o sentence_n as_o be_v above_o qualify_v we_o do_v not_o urge_v that_o man_n in_o conscience_n shall_v approve_v of_o all_o and_o every_o of_o these_o sentence_n as_o just_a however_o we_o do_v not_o therefore_o grant_v they_o be_v unjust_a as_o we_o shall_v after_o hear_v but_o only_a that_o what_o ever_o their_o judgement_n be_v they_o submit_v and_o suffer_v or_o be_v passive_a have_v do_v duty_n and_o exonered_a themselves_o without_o counteracting_a and_o that_o because_o 1._o however_o they_o count_v they_o unjust_a yet_o they_o look_v through_o the_o prospect_n of_o passion_n and_o interest_n may_v be_v deceive_v the_o judge_n think_v they_o just_a and_o it_o may_v be_v many_o other_o yea_o all_o except_o the_o party_n concern_v 2._o however_o it_o be_v yet_o it_o be_v better_a one_o or_o a_o few_o person_n suffer_v somewhat_o than_o that_o a_o schism_n be_v make_v in_o a_o orthodox_n and_o well_o settle_a church_n this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n and_o indeed_o a_o safe_a remedy_n appoint_v by_o god_n that_o when_o man_n in_o a_o church_n can_v in_o conscience_n obey_v a_o command_n than_o they_o may_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n submit_v and_o suffer_v for_o the_o lord_n be_v command_v we_o to_o submit_v and_o our_o engage_v thereunto_o do_v import_n there_o may_v be_v case_n wherein_o we_o can_v give_v active_a obedience_n it_o be_v a_o miserable_a mistake_v all_o along_o in_o the_o most_o part_n of_o this_o debate_n that_o obedience_n be_v confound_v with_o submission_n and_o suffer_v that_o because_o a_o church_n ought_v not_o in_o duty_n to_o domineer_v over_o the_o flock_n pag._n 52._o therefore_o none_o of_o the_o flock_n may_v lawful_o suffer_v a_o injury_n or_o suppose_v so_o rather_o than_o do_v a_o great_a injury_n by_o rent_v the_o flock_n that_o because_o prelate_n teach_v false_o that_o the_o sentence_n of_o superior_n be_v a_o warrant_v sufficient_a to_o man_n conscience_n to_o give_v active_a obedience_n to_o 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covenant_n or_o a_o divide_n from_o it_o although_o the_o offender_n in_o his_o conscience_n believe_v it_o to_o be_v no_o sin_n yea_o peradventure_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o duty_n otherwise_o it_o have_v be_v tyranny_n over_o the_o conscience_n to_o punish_v those_o who_o kill_v the_o apostle_n because_o they_o think_v they_o be_v do_v god_n good_a service_n joh._n 16.2_o 2._o but_o see_v all_o man_n and_o even_o church-judicatories_a be_v fallible_a let_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o a_o sentence_n be_v unjust_a and_o be_v it_o still_o remember_v that_o it_o be_v but_o suppose_v and_o not_o yield_v for_o as_o it_o can_v hardly_o be_v imagine_v that_o a_o judge_n will_v pronounce_v a_o sentence_n which_o he_o account_v unjust_a so_o we_o desire_v that_o our_o suppose_v the_o injustice_n of_o their_o sentence_n be_v understand_v without_o any_o prejudice_n to_o judicatories_n right_o in_o maintain_v the_o justice_n of_o their_o own_o sentence_n and_o let_v the_o question_n be_v of_o a_o church_n so_o constitute_v and_o sound_n and_o orthodox_n as_o be_v before_o express_v and_o of_o sentence_n such_o as_o we_o have_v qualify_v for_o the_o matter_n of_o they_o and_o we_o do_v hold_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v submit_v unto_o and_o suffer_v under_o without_o counteracting_a and_o that_o the_o former_a consideration_n press_v submission_n in_o general_a do_v take_v place_n even_o in_o this_o case_n this_o we_o may_v easy_o confirm_v from_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o godly_a in_o all_o age_n and_o particular_o of_o the_o nonconformist_n who_o as_o they_o put_v a_o vast_a difference_n between_o subjection_n and_o obedience_n so_o in_o their_o practice_n they_o do_v cheerful_o suffer_v under_o unjust_a sentence_n and_o do_v vindicate_v the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o their_o nonobedience_n by_o their_o readiness_n to_o submit_v and_o suffer_v who_o so_o will_v be_v please_v to_o peruse_v parker_n on_o the_o cross_n chap._n 4._o sect._n 12_o 14_o 15._o will_v find_v they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o own_v non-submission_n to_o these_o unjust_a sentence_n of_o bishop_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n that_o they_o do_v own_o submission_n and_o vindicate_v their_o practice_n in_o submit_v from_o the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o they_o for_o it_o and_o do_v encourage_v themselves_o and_o the_o church_n by_o believe_v that_o the_o loss_n of_o their_o ministry_n shall_v be_v the_o lord_n gain_v and_o the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o positive_a judgement_n of_o beza_n as_o we_o hear_v before_o from_o his_o epist_n 12._o that_o godly_a man_n in_o england_n shall_v not_o continue_v to_o preach_v against_o the_o queen_n and_o bishop_n will_v where_o he_o add_v that_o have_v in_o these_o case_n attest_v their_o own_o innocence_n and_o assay_v all_o remedy_n in_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o lord_n they_o shall_v yield_v to_o manifest_a violence_n the_o provincial_n assembly_n of_o south-holland_n meet_v at_o delft_n go_v a_o further_a length_n against_o the_o remonstrant_n act._n synod_n dordr_n pag._n 86_o 87._o where_o have_v speak_v several_a thing_n in_o answer_n to_o the_o arminian_o argument_n against_o a_o synod_n and_o their_o submission_n thereunto_o because_o the_o member_n thereof_o be_v all_o fallible_a man_n and_o have_v assert_v that_o there_o be_v ground_n of_o confidence_n that_o christ_n according_a to_o his_o promise_n will_v be_v present_a and_o direct_v a_o lawful_a synod_n gather_v together_o in_o his_o fear_n to_o judge_v in_o matter_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n that_o nothing_o shall_v be_v decree_v therein_o to_o the_o prejudice_n of_o his_o truth_n and_o kingdom_n they_o express_o add_v sed_fw-la fac_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la decretum_fw-la iri_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o let_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o some_o such_o thing_n be_v decree_v yet_o truth_n will_v not_o therefore_o still_o be_v keep_v at_o under_o but_o will_v in_o due_a time_n break_v forth_o again_o but_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n order_n quietness_n and_o peace_n ought_v to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n for_o god_n be_v not_o the_o god_n of_o confusion_n or_o disorder_n but_o of_o peace_n and_o therefore_o will_v have_v all_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v in_o his_o church_n orderly_o peaceable_o and_o quiet_o now_o there_o can_v be_v no_o order_n nor_o peace_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n if_o every_o man_n be_v permit_v to_o teach_v what_o he_o will_v and_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o his_o doctrine_n nor_o submit_v himself_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o any_o synod_n according_a to_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 14.29.32_o another_o instance_n in_o stead_n of_o many_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o these_o author_n of_o the_o treatise_n former_o mention_v against_o the_o brownist_n suffer_v for_o the_o cause_n of_o nonconformity_n they_o be_v challenge_v by_o the_o brownist_n for_o go_v to_o the_o bishop_n court_n for_o stand_v and_o fall_v at_o their_o commandment_n or_o yield_v to_o their_o suspension_n and_o deprivation_n after_o they_o have_v give_v their_o reason_n for_o their_o go_v to_o these_o court_n and_o reverence_v and_o yield_v to_o their_o censure_n according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n whâ—ch_n do_v establish_v conformity_n they_o add_v pag._n 41._o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v obey_v when_o it_o suâ—pendeth_v and_o deprive_v we_o for_o such_o cause_n as_o we_o in_o our_o conscience_n know_v to_o be_v insufficient_a we_o answer_v that_o it_o lie_v in_o they_o to_o depose_v that_o may_v ordain_v and_o they_o may_v shut_v that_o may_v open_v and_o that_o as_o he_o may_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n execute_v a_o ministry_n by_o the_o ordinance_n and_o call_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v privy_a to_o himself_o of_o some_o uâ—…fitnesse_n if_o the_o church_n will_v press_v he_o to_o it_o so_o may_v he_o who_o be_v privy_a to_o himself_o of_o no_o fault_n that_o deserve_v deprivation_n cease_v from_o the_o execution_n of_o his_o ministry_n when_o he_o be_v press_v thereunto_o by_o the_o church_n and_o if_o a_o guiltless_a person_n put_v out_o of_o his_o charge_n by_o the_o church_n authority_n may_v yet_o continue_v in_o it_o what_o proceed_n can_v there_o be_v against_o guilty_a person_n who_o in_o their_o own_o conceit_n be_v always_o guiltless_a or_o will_v at_o least_o pretend_v to_o be_v so_o see_v they_o also_o will_v be_v ready_a always_o to_o object_n against_o the_o church_n judgement_n that_o they_o be_v call_v of_o god_n and_o may_v not_o therefore_o give_v over_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o ministry_n at_o the_o will_n of_o man_n by_o which_o it_o evident_o appear_v that_o the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o these_o ancient_a worthy_n and_o suffer_v presbyterian_o have_v be_v pointblank_o opposite_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o these_o new_a teacher_n and_o modeller_n of_o government_n and_o that_o the_o strength_n of_o 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