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A94142 Tvvo letters: the one to subtile papist: the other to a zealous Presbyterian. In both which the authour conceives he hath said enough to keepe any man from the Roman Church, in the generall of religion, and from the Presbyterian congregation in the particular of the eucharist, or the Lords Supper: because St Paul saies, 1 Cor. 11. 16. Wee know no such custome, neither the Church of God. By T. Swadling, D.D. Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1653 (1653) Wing S6230; Thomason E712_1; ESTC R207131 21,573 32

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the Apostles Canon who would have every man so to eat and drink i. e. upon his Repentance to receive but you deny him and whether this be Schisme or not I hope you can tell Your want of Charity appears in that you will suspect his Repentance to be but Verball when himself affirms it to be Real But for your sake be it admitted to be but Verball though I do not I dare not suppose it so or so suspect it yet it is not otherwise known to you then to be Reall because you know not his heart his sinne is onely thereby doubled for comming so unworthily your sinne is not lessened for denying to admit him because for ought you know he came worthily and if his Repentance were Reall as he protested and you by the rule of Charity ought to have believed your sinne is doubled in not admitting him and all this though he had acknowledged or made known so much to you and this you evidence against your self in your next Instance which is Opponent But Saint Paul saies Let a man examine himselfe 1 Cor. 11.28 he doth not bid the Minister or Church examine him Indeed I think none ought to be forc't to the Sacramen but such as desire to partake of it but because the Minister must have a hand with them in that act there is all Christian reason why they should be willing and ready to give him an account of their Knowledge Faith and of that change that God hath wrought upon their Soules If a Christian be bound to give a reason of his Faith and doings to everyone that shall not in an ensnaring way aske him a reason or account as Saint Peter hints he must 1 Pet. 3.15 how much more is he bound to doe it to his Pastor to whose care God hath committed him and who must give an account at the last day for him Therefore that Precept Let a man examine himself and so eate doth not hinder that the Minister with some godly judicious men deputed thereunto may examine all those that offer themselves to the Lords Table not presuming on an infallible but making a charitable discrimination that the Table of the Lord be not prephaned Respond And whence comes this Charitable discrimination whence comes the deputation of Godly judicious men to be joyn'd with the Minister to examine all those that offer themselves to the Lords Table è Praetorio or è Sanctuario Speak it if you know it From the Church of England it came not and therefore not from the Primitive Church For whatsoever the Primitive Church thought necessary either in Doctrine or Discipline the Church of England hath retained and enjoined From the Apostles it came not For Saint Paul who alone of all the Apostles hath been precise in delivering the substance and Circumstance the Doctrine and Discipline of this Sacrament though he knew the Church of Corinth did abound with sundry Errors and Corruption both in Faith and Manners did yet give order for the Excommunication of one only sinner that one a Contumacious a Notorious a Scandalous sinner and then sufficed himself with a generall proposall of the great danger of unworthy receiving and remitted every other particular Person to a self-Examination He gave order to none to exclude any from that holy Table upon their Examination nor indeed gave he order to any either Minister or Elder much lesse Lay-Elders as not being then planted to examine Nor doth Saint Peter thwart Saint Paul For Saint Peter there speaks of a godly mans giving an account of his hope to a wicked Persecutor as appears by the Context Saint Paul here advises a man to a self-examination that he may be a worthy receiver and therefore your inference is not good of all Christian reason For Reason and Christianity both tell us we may very well content our selves with that course the Apostle took in administring and receiving the holy Sacrament in a generall and promiscuous way unlesse you will be guilty of the next objection you frame which is Opponent But in denying us the Sacrament the children lose their Bread and Right Respond Yes indeed do they For if they be children they have right to that Bread and you that deny them rob them of it Answer it as you wil and how well you do it I shall now examine Opponent I answer First they may enjoy it elsewhere or in a more private way among themselves which in some cases cannot be denyed to be warrantable enough Respond Yes but it can and is in all cases to be any way warrantable amongst themselves Laicks have nothing to do in the administration of this Sacrament and if they receive it elsewhere what thanks is that to you or is you duty thereby discharged you said erewhile God had committed them to your charge and you must give an account for them at the last day and so you must for a Quis haec requisivit too and for a Quare haec den●gasti too Nor will your next Answer discharge you Opponent But secondly will the children clamour because it is suspended they knowing a way to get strength and comfort from Christ to get the thing signified notwithstanding the suspension of the Elements when they cannot enjoy it but their Fathers Table is sure to be polluted and his holy things perverted in their use and end For my part I think the children cannot but very much desire it but things standing as they do dane not clamour for it the not feeding of their sences therewith not at all threatning damnation to them Respond What a concatenation of Absurdities are here If they know a way to get Christ without the Elements they are worthy to receive the Elements and why then are the Elements suspended by whose fault why or by whom is their Fathers Table polluted if they are worthy to receive it and do not receive it not by themselves because they are worthy Certainly by some other who do receive it with them or without them unworthily How is the use end of the Sacrament perverted by their receiving if they be worthy or by whom Dic bone Damaetas For your part you think they may desire and for my part I think not I am sure you may not deny it It is against your duty and why then may they not clamour I take this word in the best construction for it because the not feeding of their sences how Popery in a Presbyterian wee feed not our Iences nor do our sences feed wee feed our Faith and our Faith feeds at the Sacrament therewith not at all threatning damnation to them but take heed your not feeding them i.e. your robbing them of their right threatens not your self I dare not say with damnation your last shift and not modest comparison is no Postern for you Oppon But as godly and learned men as your self constantly do it And as godly and learned as they I am sorry I am forc't to make the comparison