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A39994 The differences of the time, in three dialogues the first, anent episcopacy, the second, anent the obligation of the covenants against episcopacy, the third, anent separation : intended for the quieting the minds of people, and settling them in more peace and unity. Forrester, David, fl. 1679. 1679 (1679) Wing F1589; ESTC R10780 86,473 238

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custodiat_fw-la &_o in_o tanto_fw-la tibi_fw-la commisso_fw-la munere_fw-la sancto_fw-la svo_fw-la spiritu_fw-la regat_fw-la &_o magis_fw-la ac_fw-la magis_fw-la confirmet_fw-la i_o e._n jesus_n preserve_v you_o govern_z and_o more_o and_o more_o confirm_v you_o by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n in_o that_o great_a office_n which_o be_v commit_v to_o you_o and_o epist._n 58._o to_o the_o same_o grindal_n he_o say_v dominus_fw-la te_fw-la isthic_n speculatorem_fw-la &_o judicem_fw-la constituit_fw-la now_o from_o these_o favourable_a testimony_n of_o beza_n in_o behalf_n of_o episcopacy_n we_o may_v conclude_v 1._o that_o he_o do_v not_o think_v episcopacy_n unlawful_a else_o will_v he_o have_v wish_v the_o continuance_n of_o a_o unlawful_a sinful_a government_n in_o england_n as_o i_o show_v you_o a_o little_a before_o express_o he_o do_v 2._o if_o beza_n think_v presbytrie_n the_o first_o and_o apostolical_a government_n yet_o certain_o he_o judge_v it_o not_o unalterable_a otherwise_o 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