Consciences are not so sear'd with an Hot Iron as R. W.'s is against the True Lord Jesus Christ who casteth a Flood of Wickedness against him and his Light but we expect no other it is nothing to us R. W. Bringeth James Brown that saith The Kingdom of Heaven that is in the Saints is not in the Pharisees Fol. G. F. p. 259. G. F. Answ. That which is in the Saints is in the Pharisees in a Measure though it be but as a Grain of Mustard-seed or as a Little Leaven But this is fully Answered in the Append. where he bringeth it there And R. W. Replieth and bringeth Luke 11.12 Christ's Saying If I by the Finger of God cast out Devils no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you And this R. W. Malitiously bringeth to Oppose Christ's Words cited when the Pharisees demanded of Christ When the Kingdom should come he answered them and said The Kingdom of Heaven cometh not with Observations neither shall they say Lo here or Lo there for behold the Kingdom of God is within you Luke 17. Now whether must we believe Christ or R. W And this he bringeth to Disprove our Principles and Profession not to be True and hath here manifest his own Profession and Principle not to be according to Christ. And R. W. Thou say'st That the Pharisees expected a Temporal Kingdom and yet thou say'st Christ's Visible Kingdom is his Church And the Apostle telleth thee His Kingdom standeth in Power c. and the Holy Ghost and what is Visible but Temporal And we do not say That the Pharisees had such a Kingdom as the Saints in Joy and Peace with the Holy Ghost for their Darkness could not comprehend the Light therefore they were not like to receive such a Kingdom And what Kingdom was this in the Pharisees if it was not a Measure of the Seed which Christ Soweth in all Grounds and of the Spirit and of the Light which enlightneth every man that cometh into the World R. W. And whereas thou Scoffingly say'st What do We talk of Measures but that We are all one in Quality and Equality c. Answ. Let the Reader see if there be any such Words in G. F.'s Answer R. W. cannot bridle his Tongue and keep in the Rule But R. W. Thou say'st What a Stinking Work do these proud Pharisees make of Christianity how justly c. Answ. This R. W. might have applied at home his Stinking Work and proud Pharisees c. What! must not we own Christ's words nor Scripture Were not they Fools blind Guides and Pharisees that would not own Christ's Doctrine and so it may be said Still of R. W. R. W. Asketh the Reason Why this Seed doth not Grow and this Leaven doth not Spread within the Pharisees Can a Nation be Subject to the King of England or Spain c. and yet not know how nor have no Knowledge or Feeling of it at all Can there be such a God such a Spirit such a Fire â—ea but such a Mustard-seed or Leaven such a Teacher and yet not grow not prevail nor prosper nor be perceived ye Fools and Blind And so goeth on a-railing to the end of pag. 113. Answ. Here thou hast manifest thy self to be as Blind as the Pharisees concerning the Doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven within as Christ preached For is it not the same Seed that is sown upon all Sorts of Grounds by the Seeds-Man though Christ tellâ—th thee Ye are Thorns and Stony Hearts and what ye do to the Seed And is it not the same Light that enlightneth every man that cometh into the World which the Saints believed in which Thou and the Pharisees and the New-England-Professors hate and thou callest an 〈◊〉 So thy principle and profession is False and not agreeable to the Primitive profession and principle And is not the same Grace which bringeth Salvation appeared to All Men which the Wicked turn into Wantonness and walk despitefully against it And is not the same Spirit which is poured out upon All Flesh by which the Sons and Daughters Prophesy c. but if thou quenchest the Spirit and turnest the Grace of God into Wantonness and the Carnal Mind choke the Seed and erre from the Spirit then thou may'st say Why doth it not Grow Why doth not Leaven Spread Why doth it not Spring Why don't it Grow and Why are they not Subjects to the King and yet thou art building the Tombs of the Righteous And all such that erre from the Spirit turn the Grace of God into Wantonness and hate his Light and by their Carnal Mind choke the Seed and are Rebels to the Kingdom of Heaven and go read the Talent of the Slothful Servant However thou hast improv'd the Devil's Talent and hidden the Lord's thou and the New-England-Priests and therefore ye persecute him with your Tongue and Hand and a many Vnsavoury Words that are in this page which are not worth mentioning And so in all this thou hast prov'd thy self not to have the Spirit of Christ Jesus but an Opposer of his Doctrine and prov'd thy own profession and principle False and contrary to Christ's and the Apostle's words R. W. Thou say'st That the Quakers Religion is Heresy and they themselves Hereticks in the Matters of God's Worship Answ. The Religion we maintain which the Apostles above 1600. years since set up which is Pure c. and therefore we forsake yours And the Worship of God which Christ set up 1600. years ago this we in Practice maintain and we do not differ from the Servants of God the Prophets and Apostles but we have Unity with them in the Faith and Spirit of God Glory to the Lord God for ever And we believe we Shall prove thee in the Heresy thou speakest of which thou confessest John Stub stood up and said That Heresy was defined by some to be an Opinion obstinately stood in against the First Christian Purity and this thou confessest too First thou say'st R. W. That our Religion Way or Sect was False c. and upon this Ground R. W. will prove Our Religion is not only Heresy in Matters of Worship but also in Doctrines of Repentance Faith c. Now come on R. Williams make good thy Charge and see if thou hast not thrown thy self in the same Condition as thou chargest us R. W. Thou say'st First as to Worship We deny the Converting or Gathering of Saints into Visible Congregations affirming the Church to be Invisible the Ministry Invisible the Baptism and Supper Invisible Answ. Let the People in New-Engâ—and Judge whether we do not Gather people into Visible Assemblies let their Meetings there speak And though we do say as the Apostle saith 1 Thes. 1.2 2 Thes. â— The Church is in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ yet the Saints Bodies were Visible upon the Earth and thou that deniest this Doctrine deniest this Primitive Doctrine and so holdest another Opinion than the
which are Greek words Answ. But where doth thou read in the Scripture the word Humane and Trinity Let 's see where it is written for thou say'st It 's the Rule and Touch-Stone give us Chapter and Verse that we may Touch it And so it 's thou that hast Catched here and there G. F.'s Sentences like a wild Indian as thou speakest of but in all thou hast done thou hast not proved thy false Assertions And R. VV. saith Any sober Soul may read in most of their Books and in G. F.'s Book such Tautologies and needless Repetitions that may even turn the Stomach and make him abâ—or to touch a Quakers Book Answ. Truly R. VV. of all the Books that ever we have read we did never read so much of Tautologies over and over the same thing and so much of false English whether it be the Ignorance of R. Williams the Orator or the Printer we shall leave it and therefore we are fain to Answer thee over and over the same thing as we were to Answer the priests in Oliver's Days the same thing over and over And therefore in this if any one is to be found Fault withal it is the priests and R. VV. But R. W. saith G. F. had many Bullets flying about his Ears c. Answ. But none of those Persecutors Bullets nor thine touched him nor us neither â—ot we were and are Arm'd with the Breast-plate of Righteousness and with the Armor of Light and the Shield of Faith and the Helmet of Salvation and the Sword of the Spirit the WORD of GOD and the Armor of Light which thou say'st is simply called Light R. VV. can scarcely speak of the Light of Christ without scoffing at it R. VV. saith He cannot but observe that all along he notoriously nibbles ar words and quarrels at words p. 185. Answ. Now R. VV. Is this good English Nibbles aâ— words And so R. VV. might have applied this at home This proud Bladder is big with Simon Magus And High and Haughty R. VV. might very well have applied this at home also who is Puffed up and Swell'd up against the true Lord Jesus Christ and his Light and his people in whom Christ ruleth And R. VV. bringeth Henry Haggar G. F. fol. p. 253. saying You call all Men Dead and Carnal in the Serpent's Nature in what Form soever they differ from you G. F. Answereth All that are not in the Light to wit of Christ that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World which is the Way to the Father Differ from us such be Dead such be Carnal in the Serpent's Nature For none cometh to the Life but who cometh to the Light in what Form soever they be And such as Differ from us Differ from Christ For none cometh from under the Serpent's Head and Nature but who cometh to the Light to wit of Christ. For how can they be in Vnity with God and his People and hate the Light and call it an Idol as R. VV. doth But R. VV. falleth a railing and saith This proud Soul What Julian the Apostate what Duke D' Alva what Wolsey could have spoken more Imperiously Insultingly and Bloodily then this Wild Fox hath done against all the true Servants and Witnesses of the Most-High c. Answ. Let the Reader see the Railing of this Orator But who are these Witnesses that R. W. speaketh of Such as are not in the Light of Christ Jesus which enlightens every Man that cometh in the World They are not in the Way to the Father which is CHRIST the Light then they must be such as Differ from Christ and his Saints in the Light and how can these be True Witnesses but must be like R. W. that saith The Light of Christ and the Light within is a Fancy a simple Light a frantick Light an Idol So R. VV. might have kept his Flood of Fire and Brimstone at home for it toucheth us not And G. F. plainly maketh a Distinction of such as hate the Light hate Christ that have Errred from the Light and quenched the Spirit They have the Name and Titles that Christ gave to them And 1 Cor 6 1 Tim 9. are owned as they speak And the Dreadful Voice of God in Job hath not knock'd out our brains but opened our Understandings And we do not make a Noise about our Bibs and Aprons and Muckingers These words thou might'st have kept at home who findest Fault with us because we own the Apostle's Doctrine and so thou might'st as well have found Fault with him who taught the Saints Concerning Apparel but this Doctrine R. VV. slighteth R. VV. And thou say'st again God is not properly a Spirit no more then he is Light Answ. Yet Christ saith The Father is a Spirit Joh. 4. And that Message the Apostles bore of God they said In him was Light and no Darkness In this thou art Erred from Christ and his Doctrine Joh. 1. R. VV. And 1. Cor 6 Eph. 2. These we own as they speak And thou confessest That God dwelled in his Temple of Old as a Man in his House and a King in his Palace Answ. And doth not he Dwell now in his Saints by his Light and Spirit But the Quakers never said That the House the outward Man is God But how canst thou say That God or Christ dwelleth in Man when thou call'st his Light an IDOL But Henry Haggar is fully Answered in the Answer to the Appendix p. 163 c. where he bringeth him And R. VV. bringeth Sam. Eaton G. F. Fol p. 2. saying That the Scripture is to Judge of Doctrines and Manners G. F. Answ. The Jews had not an Infallible Judgement that had Scriptures but stood against Christ the Light and Judged him to be a Devil and that Judgement was not Infallible And that Doctrine and Manners of theirs was not Right which stood against Christ the Light And R. VV. thou bring'st David's Saying The Word is a Light to our feet and a Lanthorn to our paths Answ. But R. VV. was the New Testament written then and many of the Prophets And if not What Word was it then that was a Lanthorn and a Light to David Was it not the same Word that came to Jacob before Scripture was written Why doth Christ say Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have Eternal Life and they testify of me but ye will not come to me that ye might have Eternal Life And were not the Jews in the Ditch and are still with R. VV. and the rest of Persecutors of Christ the WORD that became Flesh And did not the Apostles preach the Word that was made Flesh to the Jews and Heathen And were not the Jews mad against the Apostles that preached the Word and had Scriptures and against Christ the Word And did they not say Christ was a Deceiver as thou say'st now his Light is a Fancy and a Whimsical Christ within SO we may see through all Scriptures of
many things against Christ Jesus Answ. Hast not thou here manifested thy Ignorance again for the Light of Christ within is not opposite to the Ministers of the Spirit and such as turn them from Darkness to Light c. And the Apostles bid the Saints Look unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of their Faith not unto them and is not He the VVord the Apostles Preached and told them it was nigh in their Hearts to hear it and do it And Moses describeth the Righteousness of the Law c but the Apostle saith The Righteousness of Faith which speaketh on this wise mark Speaketh say not in thy Heart who shall ascend into Heaven that is to bring Christ down from above or who shall descend into the deep that is to bring Christ from the Grave c but what saith it The VVord is nigh thee in thy Heart and in thy Mouth and this is the VVord of Faith which we Preach Now mark the Apostle Preached the VVord of Faith in Peoples Hearts and Mouths and was not this VVord in Abraham's Mouth and Jacob's Mouth and Moses Mouth and the Prophet's Mouth and dost thou say Enquiring Men in all Ages should not perceive a Breath of this Wind and because thou and the Priests in New-England do not perceive a Breath of it therefore thou judgest others like thy self And how could all the Prophets see Christ without the Light which was Life in the Word by which all things were made And whereas the Apostle saith How should they hear without a Preacher and how should he Preach except he be sent what is this to your Preachers that never Heard the Voice of God and run when God never sent them And the Apostle saith But have they not all heard mark yes verily c so Then saith the Apostle Faith cometh by Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God And Paul who was fully perswaded he ought to do many things against Christ Jesus c shewing that he had heard of Christ with his External Ears and outward Means and had heard the Prophets that spake of Christ yet was a Persecutor of Christ in his Members in his False Conception like thee and the Priests in New-England And though Paul heard Steven's Sermon yet he was not Converted but at his Conversion Christ told him It was hard to kick against that which had pricked him for Christ knew what had prickt him that made him kick again when he was a Persecutor of Christ in his Members like R. W. and the New-England Priests and Professors and it is the way of the Persecutors about Religion to kick against that which pricketh them R. W. And thou say'st Therefore it is Grace that doth All and yet thou say'st This is something but reacheth not home but what this something is thou hast not told the World And thou say'st If all Men in the world have this Light which is sufficient without Hearing why should not some especially the Wise and Enquirers c. perceive it or something of it as Paul did not until he heard something and because God had a purpose to make an Extraordinary Vse of him c. Answ. What is this to R. W. and the New-England Priests who are Strangers to this Work And Christ who enlightneth every Man that cometh into the world he saith Learn of me c and God saith This is my beloved Son HEAR YE HIM Yea the Saints heard the Apostles which were Ministers of the Spirit but was the Apostle therefore the Author of their Faith and Finisher or were the Apostles the Word which they Preached And as for thy Wise and Enquirers some ask and have not because they ask amiss but as Christ Enlightneth every Man that cometh into the sworld so if they do not hate the Light in that Light they will â—ee more Light and see Christ their full Satisfaction And thou say'st It is Grace that doth All If so what do the Scriptures and the Teachers do then which are thy only Sword Weapon Rule and thy outward Means which thou hast been busying thy self about But R. W. the Scripture saith Grace and Truth cometh by Jesus Christ which shed his Blood and tasted Death for every Man and this Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared to all Men and God said to Paul It was Sufficient So it is Sufficient to Teach People and bring their Salvation if they do not turn it into Wantonness and walk despitefully against the spirit of Grace and such are not like though they do enquire to perceive that deny that which they should perceive withal R. W. And thou bringest T. P. saying To say the Officers of the Church are Invisible it is plain of their Father the Devil G. F. Answ. to T. P. and saith The Holy Ghost made the Officers of the Church Overseers and that made the Officers the Overseers to be Invisible For they saw with an Invisible Eye and so they were in the Spirit which is Invisible and not in the Flesh else they could not be Overseers in the Church of God and you are the Visible Apostatized from them And R. W. replyeth and saith This is one of the most impudent Fooleries that either Fox or as the Proverb is any Dog could be impudent in Answ. Here you may see how R. W. beginneth with Railing Language which he had better applyed to his own Spirit which cometh from it but he hath not proved out of the Holy Scripture his Lying Proverb R. W. And thou sayst G. F. acknowledgeth a publick Assembly of Christians as well as of other pretending worshippers Turks Jews c. and also he acknowledgeth the Ministers Officers and Over-seers of their Assemblies Answ. Doth G. F. here mention the Over-seers made by the Holy Ghost of the Turks and Jews but them in the Apostles days why dost thou abuse his Words R. W. And thou say'st G. P's Reason is notoriously silly and impudent why Because G. F. saith The Church is in God and the Overseers are made by the Holy Ghost Answ. Doth not the Apostle say The Overseers were made by the Holy Ghost and the Church was in God as Act. 20 28 and Thes. 1 and is this Doctrine of the Apostles notoriously silly and impudent why because you are not in the same Holy Ghost and your Church is not in God as theirs was R. W. And thou say'st Are the Secrets of God always secret and never to be Revealed the Child in the Womb the precious Stones c. when brought forth are no more Invisible than the Sun in the Firmament Answ. Were not the Children in the Womb or precious Stones Invisible before they were brought forth in themselves how proveth R. W. and the New-England Priests that to be like unto the things of God The Secrets of God are Revealed by his Spirit which is Invisible and so they are Secrets to them still to whom they are not Revealed by the same Spirit And this Spirit that doth
Light and an Idol thou and they deny Christ that bought you Worse than Peter that Deny the Light which he Commandeth to believe in And so you are Come Short of every Good Work but not of the Evil who would parallel your selves with the Faithful Messengers of Christ and finding Fault with them ye do not see your own selves for the Faithful had Victory R. W. He bringeth Thomas Hodges G.F. Fol 372. saying The Scripture speaketh of God after the Manner of Men. G. F. Ans. The Scripture speaketh of God after the Manner of the Spirit and to the Spirit whereby Men may receive him and know him by the Spirit which Natural Man cannot R. W. replyeth and beginneth with Railing Language as he useth to do and saith Here he denyeth the Heavenly Mystery of God revealing himself to us after the Manner of Men having Head Eyes and Mouth c. Answ. His Heavenly Mysteries God Revealeth by his Spirit doth he not doth not the Apostle say The Mysteries and Things of God are Revealed by the Spirit and R. W. can the Things and Heavenly Mysteries of God be Revealed but by his Spirit to Men And if God be likened to a Husband-man a Shield a Rock c. he is not these Outwardly for when God Revealed himself to Abraham and them he spoke those things to he Revealed them to them by his Spirit by which they understood them and by the same Spirit he Revealeth them now R. W. Thou tell'st us of a Late Speech of one of the best Philosophers and of the best Christians that Old or New-England ever had viz. Then shall we know to wit in the Next Life in Heaven in the Heavenly State to come how to answer that Great Question What is God but this Poor Wild-Asses-Colt G. F. he can resolve that Question c. and so goest on Scoffing Answ The Apostle saith He that cometh to God must believe that he is and that he is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him Hebr. 11. and did not the Saints know what God is while they were upon Earth and must this be laugh'd at by you Philolosophers and is this the best Christian both of Old and New-England that saith We must know what God is in the heavenly State to come and what not in this Life then how will they know him to be a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him if they do not know what God is in this Life how can they know how to Worship God in Spirit and in Truth if they do not know him to be the Spirit in this Life and what must we Infer from R. W's Words his best Philosophers and best Christians That we must not know what God is in this Life Then you may know what the Devil is and not what God is in this Life and the Great Reason and Abilities he hath as R. W. saith And do not the Scriptures say God will dwell in the Saints and walk in them see Corinth and they were to glorify God in their Spirits and in their Bodies which were God's And is not he called a God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and God said unto him Walk thou before me and be thou perfect for I am God Almighty and All-sufficient and did not he know what God is and did not all the Saints know what God is that gave forth Scripture while they were upon Earth And did not John say We are of God 1 Joh. 4 and did not he know him what he is and John said God dwelled in him and he in God Joh. 4 15 16. and whosoever confesseth the Son of God hath God and he that dwelleth in Love dwelleth in God and God in him 1 Joh. 4. And G. F. doth know That God is and is the Rewarder of them that diligently seek him blessed be his Name for ever And did not the Apostles and Prophets know this while they were upon the Earth before the Next Life and Heavenly State to come else how could they declare it if they did not know it That God is and is the Rewarder of all that diligently seek him whil'st they were upon Earth But R. W. thou art out of this Diligence and in an Evil Work against God's People that are diligently seeking him that know That God is c. R. W. Thou speak'st of the Devil blowing out the Candle and Torch and Sun of the holy Books and Records c. and then thou say'st Is it not the Devil's Trade to play the suttle Hunter as do also his Journey-men who ly in wait to Catch men and to trim his Pits and Gins and Snares with Green Leaves c. viz. Fair Pretences of the Spirit Immediate Spirit Infallible Spirit Teachings of the Spirit the Manner of the Spirit Speaking to the Spirit and Christ within you the Hope of Glory c. and these are fair Leaves thou say'st and sweet and heavenly green Boughs on which the Old Serpent twineth and from whence he uttereth even Scripture it self and the names of God and Christ and Spirit in a Frantick Purpose to Stab the holy Scriptures and God and Christ and Spirit also Answ. R. W. Thou must apply this at home and the New-England Priests and Professors Can the Devil blow out the Torch and Sun of the holy Books and Records what is this Sun thou hast not manifest it if he could he would have blown it out afore now but the Sun of Righteousness or Substance of the Holy Records is too hot for him to blow out for Christ will destroy and consume him with the breath of his Mouth and the Brightness of his Coming And the Devil and Antichrist may get the Form of Godliness and the Sheeps-cloathing and so from that to talk of Christ without but neither the Devil nor thou nor Antichrist can endure to hear the Talk of the Spirit within Christ within and of his Infallible Spirit and the Teaching of the Spirit and the Manner of the Spirit 's speaking to the Churches and Christ in you the Hope of Glory was not this the Doctrine the Apostles preached He that hath an Ear let him hear what the Spirit saith to the Churches and the Apostle was Minister of the Spirit And what dost thou Blasphemously call this Doctrine of the Apostles a Trimming of the Devil and his Journey-men its Gins and Snares and the Serpent's Twining with these fair Leaves green Boughs And so dost thou call the Apostle's Doctrine a Frentick purpose to stab the holy Scriptures and God and Christ and Spirit also and is not this Blasphemy in thee can the Devil catch God and Christ and his Spirit and stab them what is the Devil here greater then God Christ and his Spirit O R. W. the Envy hath blinded thee I must tell thee Christ destroyeth the Devil and his Works the Devil can not stab Christ nor God nor his Spirit but he will cast him alive in the Lake of Fire and the Lord will judge thee
G. F. to say that in his Book which was Evident to all the people there was not in it when we came to read it And how darest thou say Thou compared'st the Assertions of G. F.'s Opposites and G. F.'s Answer when thou wast making Observations and Expositions upon G. F.'s words and giving Meanings of them because they did not serve thy Design but what Observations and Expositions did he ever make of G. F.'s Opposites Words And when thou wast reproved and told That G. F.'s Words were Able to speak for themselves thou scoffingly said'st That we were like a Gall'd Horse winching c. but this is thy own Condition R. W. So the Reader may see thy Folly and Contradiction in one page laying it upon Thy Continual Importunate Vrging and in another page upon Our being Gravelled and Willing to have it answer for us R. W. Thou say'st G. F. picketh out some particular Lines Sayings and Sentences and out of the Book of his Opposites to his utmost Advantage c. and for Instance bringest Samuel Eaton from G. F.'s fol. pag. 3. saying The Saints have not Christ in the Flesh. And G. F.'s his Answer Contrary to Christ's and the Apostle's Doctrine who said They were of his Flesh and of his Bone and they should eat his Flesh and they that eat his Flesh have it in them From whence R. W. Affirmeth That Christ Jesus had such a Body as might be Really and Materially in the Saints and that it is Clear that We are one with the Papists c. Answ. R. W. Is not this thy own Condition of which thou accusest G. F. in Picking out here and there out of his Book what thou thought'st would make for thy Purpose and Advantage but did it not Make against thee in the Dispute to the Sight of the people that was not prejudic'd and cannot the Saints feed of Christs Flesh and Blood and be of his Flesh and Bone except they have the Whole Body of Christ Really and Materially in them and for thy Affirming That Christ had such a Body as might Really and Materially be in the Saints we deny G. F. speaketh no such words it is thy own And the Quakers Feed upon Christ Jesus Spiritually for Christ saith His Words that he spake were Spirit and Life but we know the Papists feed upon Bread and Wine which is not the Flesh and Blood of Christ and so that 's thy Envy that leadeth thee to Join us with the Papists R. W. And To feed upon Christ Spiritually or Eat Christ Spiritually thou say'st wholly destroyeth his Material and Fleshly Being Answ. R. W. This is thy Ignorance of Christ who is at the Right Hand of God and cannot be Destroyed and dieth no more And if To feed upon Christ Spiritually is Wholly to destroy his Material and Fleshly Being then Thy Feeding upon Christ Fleshly doth it not Destroy his Material and Fleshly Being What must we Observe from this Thy Feeding upon Christ Fleshly and not Spiritually doth not destroy his Material and Fleshly Being and is that a Feeding upon Christ by Faith R. W. And R. W. Thou bringest from G. F.'s fol. p. 4. Sam. Eaton his Sayings The Saints do not see Christ the Heavens contain him And G. F. Answ. The Apostle saith They Sate with Christ in Heavenly Places So he is Contrary to the Apostle And Christ was in them and walked in them and God dwelt in them and Christ in you except you be Reprobates R. W. Replieth I said That as the Papists were up Ridiculously and Odiously with Hoc est Corpus Meum This is my Body so they with the Light within you that Lighteth every man Christ within you except you be Reprobates And therefore to Alledge Christ within and their Sitting in Christ in heavenly places is but Irrational Nonsence and Jesuitical Equivocations And The truth is they were Gravell'd with these Considerations Answ. Let the Reader Judge whether R. W. doth not call Christ's and the Apostle's Doctrine Irrational Nonsence and Jesuitical Equivocations and the Papists Hoc est Corpus Meum up Ridiculously and termeth it Ridiculous and Odious with the Papists For is not this the Apostle's Doctrine Christ within you did not the Apostles preach Christ within people or the Light within people to give them the Knowledge as may be seen Col. 2. and 2 Cor. 4. and Ephes. 2. how the Saints Sate in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus And we do grant That the Heavens do contain the Man Christ and thou dost confess That we do believe that he Died Rose and Ascended and then thou say'st in that Sense and Respect the Saints cannot now Sit Bodily with Christ in Heavenly Places O Deceit Is there any such word in G. F.'s Answer If they Fâ—ed Spiritually must they not Sit Spiritually it's thou that art Gravell'd and in the Swamps and Bogs thou tell'st us of R. W. Thou bringst John Bunion from G. F.'s fol. p. 8. saying The Lord Jesus Christ is a far in his Bodily Presence G. F. Answ. And yet he saith The Lord is at hand And the Apostle said He was in them and Christ said He would dwell in them R. W. Thou say'st G. F.'s Book was brought forth the same with mine and J. B. took it and went along with me in the Quotations and â— read and alwayes Endeavoured to make my Proof out of the Allegations But W. Emmondson kept strict watch and stood Centinel that no Observations of Senses or Meanings should pass and he was resolved to keep out the Fire and Light of Christ Jesus And so thou fall'st a railing and flattering thy self Answ. R. W. Why dost thou find fault with W. Edm. who Kept a strict Watch over thee that thou should'st not Pervert and Wrest and give Meanings to G. F.'s Words which they did not intend and otherwise then they spake themselves as thou confessest he said Let G. F.'s words alone they are sufficient to speak for themselves R. W. For thou bringst Fol. p. 9. John Bunyon Affirming That the Son of Mary God man is absent from his Church G. F. Answ. Contrary to Christ's Words I in them and they in me and I will be with you to the End so that thou are one of the Blind Prophets and contrary to John who saith We are in him to wit in the Son of God that is True And thou say'st He to wit Christ is Absent from his Church the Apostle said He was the Head of his Church and dwelt in the Saints by Faith but of Your Church we believe He is not the Head but will Grind you to Powder And Mark what is become of you now when you were up in Oliver's Days are not G. F.'s words fulfilled c. And thy words and thy Doctrine are corrected by Christ and the Scriptures And Christ saith Where Two or Three are gathered in my Name I will be in the midst of them and the Saints are Flesh of his Flesh and
Humane Soul or Body is no more but such a Soul and Body as all Mankind have c 1 Corin. 10. Answ. We charge R. W. and all his New-England-Priests where ever the Prophets and Apostles give that name HVMANE to Christ's Body and Soul And the word HVMANE is not a Bugbear nor Odious to G. F but for thee and the priests to give such Names to Christ our Lord and Saviour which the Scriptures do not give and yet say the Scriptures are the Rule that is Abominable And there is no such word in 1. Corin. 10. that calleth Christ's Body and Soul HVMANE and whether is Christ's Body Celestial or Terrestrial or which Glory doth he bear seeing there is a Glory of the Celestial and a Glory of the Terrestrial Body 1 Corin. 15 14. And G. F. doth grant and all the Quakers that Christ was made like unto us Sin excepted and had a Body and Soul or else how could he suffer and is risen the same that did Descend is Ascended as the Apostle saith And Christ said he was from above and ye are from beneath and ye are of this world and I am not of this world Joh. 8 and his Light within thou callest here Dagon their Monstrous Horrible Idol of a Christ called Light within O! this Light and Christ within R. W. cannot endure to hear of that Evil Spirit that dwelleth in him maketh him thus to blaspheme it But we must tell thee None knoweth Christ but as he Reveaâ—eth himself by his Light within for Christ saith No man knoweth the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will Reveal him R. W. bringeth Daniel Gawdry in G. F.'s folio 282. saying we shall not see Christ as he is until he come to Judgement and then and not before we shall see him G. F. Answ. You where you are see him not nor know him as he is we do believe you but the Saints the true Church whom he is Head of whom he is in the midst and in whom he is And Christ told his Disciples They had known him and they knew the Son of God and had the Son and they had the Father also and he that hath not the Son hath not Life and they had handled and seen him And the Hope in it self is Pure and that is it which purifieth man and maketh him pure as He is Pure c. Answ. And are not these Christ's and the Apostle's words but R. W. putteth in an IN more than G. F. and then he crieth Non-sence and Silly Lines and he Leaves out as you may see pag. 282. in G. F.'s Book where he leaves out Daniel Gawdry's words how he contradicteth himself For after D. G. hath said We shall not see Christ as he is till he come to Judgement then and not before we shall see him and then D. G saith Every man that hath this Hope purifieth himself And what Hope is this is not this Christ in him the Hope of Glory and dost not thou see him And when R. W. saith He was not desirous to trouble the Auditors with more Quotations but still they urged Hast thou any more so it 's like thou wast Gravelled but dost not thou Contradict thy self before thou saidst how thou Vrged'st them to bring out the Book R. W. And thou say'st That G. F. affirms c. That Christ Jesus is as much now seen visibly as ever he shall be seen c. and then he falleth a Railing and crieth out Deluded Soul But let the Reader read G. F.'s Answer to G. D. and see if there be any such words there as R. W. hath forged who saith G. F. affirmeth c And thou Observest in G. F. 's Answer That he cannot keep out of his Burrow of confounding a Visible Eye and a Spiritual a Visible and an Invisible Seeing and then fallest a Railing Answ. But let the Reader see if there be any such Confounding in G. F.'s Answer that R. W. speaketh of But Christ saith No Man knoweth the Son but the Father nor the Father but the Son and he to whom he Revealeth him Is this Revelation or Sight a Visible Eye seeing Christ saith Flesh and Blood hath not Revealed the Son of God to Peter but the Father that is in Heaven R. W. Thou say'st Though we use to please Children and Fools with the Words of Christ dying at Jerusalem we see him in the midst of us he is the Invisible Head of the Church in God c. Answ. Roger these are Words of thy own That we use to speak so as to please Children and Fools for we do Really own Christ's dying at Jerusalem And why dost-thou scoff at Christ he being in the Midst â—f his People by his Spirit and is that Visible or is Christ in the Midst of People upon the Earth as a Man Visible or is he in his Church by his Spirit Ruling and Ordering it who is the Head of it And doth not Paul tell thee That the Church is in God and why dost thou scoff at this and say We please Children and Fools with such Speeches for God's Saints being walking upon the Earth how doth Christ exercise his Prophetical Office his Kingly Office his Priestly Office c doth he it Visibly or by his Power and Spirit and so we do own Christ as the Scripture setteth him forth R. W. Bringeth Richard Mayo G. F.'s Folio p. 276. saying That he did believe in a Christ that died at Jerusalem but not in a Christ within G. F. Answ. He that doth not believe in a Christ within doth not believe in a Christ that died at Jerusalem and he that doth not believe in a Christ within and preach Christ within is a Reprobate according to the Apostle's Doctrine Col. 2. 2 Cor. 13. And he is not in a True Belief of Christ without who believeth not in Christ within but is in the Devil's Belief and believeth as the Devil 's do R. W. Replieth A humble Soul may see how this Subtle Traitor under the golden Name of Christ and Christ within in the Heart he Stabs at the Heart of the True Lord Jesus who suffered for poor Man-kind in Man 's own Nature at Jerusalem Secondly I observe his Virulent Venemous Mind and Pen stabbing damning and reprobating all that truly believe in the true Lord Jesus whom he confesseth to have been a Real Man dying at Jerusalem c. except they can believe that he is now no where to be found but in Every Man's Heart that cometh into the world that is No where Answ. Let the Reader see if there be any such words in G. F.'s Answer to R. M And what must we Observe from R. W.'s words here If Christ which is in Heaven that doth enlighten every Man that cometh into the World and dwelleth in the Hearts of his Saints of them that Receive him yet He is No where as R. W. saith and Preaching Christ in people except they be Reprobates as the
Apostle did preach the True Lord Jesus Christ him that died at Jerusalem if this be Virulent Venemous and Stabbing Traiterous Reprobating and Damning all that truly believe in Christ let the Wise in Heart Judge and read Col. 2. and 2 Cor. 13. But R. W. we Charge thee and the New-England-Priests to make good by Scripture That the True Lord Jesus Christ who suffered at Jerusalem and is at the Right Hand of God that his Heart can be stabb'd and that he must die again who dieth No More No R. W. he is out of your Reach though ye may Stab at him in his Members O! that ever thou should'st take the Name of Jesus in thy mouth and call G. F. Subtle Traitor that Laboureth in the Lord and Preacheth the Name of Jesus Christ his Death and Sufferings who is manifest in his people But Roger why did'st thou not bring in R. M.'s Doctrine who saith The Gospel was not the Power of God no more then a Rose-cake which he laid his hands upon in the Window Fol. 278. but this thou hast left out thou thought'st it would make against thee And then thou say'st p. 52â— That they were Worthy of Christian Esteem and Honour which were our Opposers and Persecutors like thee and the New-England-Priests R. W. He bringeth from page 246. Fol. Christopher Wade saying c. and bringeth him again in the same page and bringeth the same Author from G. F.'s Fol. 248. and again from Fol. 249 and again in the same page the same Author and once more in the same page where he bringeth but bits and pieces of G. F.'s words and leaveth some out And R. W. thou scoffingly say'st as the Reader may see that readeth G. F.'s Book Thou art Occasioned to follow this Fox in his Holes and Burrows to hale him out before God Angels and Men as a most-Greedy and Audacious Fox and Wolf not sparing the Son and Lamb of God nor his precious Lambs and Sheep Answ. These are Vngracious Expressions R. W and thou must know God and Christ and his Angels before thou canst bring any before them and art blasphemously calling the Christ of the Quakers a Whimsical Christ. And did R. W. bring these Quotations in the days of his Dispute for these are but empty scoffing words as Fox in his Burrows and Holes most-Greedy Audacious Wolf thou may'st apply them at home and to the New-England priests Thus far we can say The Son of God is come as John saith and we are in him who hath given us Eternal Life and an Vnderstanding to know him and loveth all his Lambs And it is the New-England-priests that have Not spared the Flock the Precious Lambs and Sheep of Christ and SHED THEIR BLOOD and thou wouldst Devour them if it were in thy Power who persecutest them with thy Tongue But God and Christ is above thee and thou shalt know Christ whom thou callest the Quakers Whimsical Christ will Judge and Reward thee in the End for thy Evil Speaking against him R. W. Saith That the Notion of Christ within Opposite to Christ without is a most Frantick Whimsical Gross and Blockish Fancy For though he grant Christ c. yet making him only Spiritual and such a Christ as is Whole Christ God and Man in every man in the World he maketh Christ to be but a Whimsical Christ and that Man that died at Jerusalem but a Babilonian Fancy Answ. Let the Reader see if there be any such Sayings in G. F.'s Answer as R. W.'s here That the Whole Christ that died at Jerusalem God and Man in every man in the World c this is thy own Babilonish Fancy We say Christ that died at Jerusalem Lighteth every man that cometh into the World and they that believe in the Light receive Christ in them and he that hath the Son hath the Father as the Scripture saith But he that hateth the Light of Christ as thou dost hateth both the Son and the Father and receiveth him not and that will be both thine and their Condemnation and so God Revealing his Son in the Apostle and in his Saints and their preaching him in the people is not in Opposition to Christ without that died at Jerusalem Frantick Whimsical Gross Blockish Fancy R. W. might have kept these Vngracious Vnsavoury words which savour not of the Spirit of God at home for his own food and his New-England priests R. W. He bringeth G. F.'s Fol. 222. the Author of Hosanna the Son of David c. saying Christ is without his Saints in Respect of his Bodily Presence G. F. Answ. They are Flesh of his Flesh and Bone of his Bone and they Eat his Flesh and drink his Blood And how have the Saints his Mind and Spirit and he in them and they in him and sit with him in heavenly places And he is the Head of the Church how then is he Absent ye Poor Apostates from him who feel not Christ within you And he is in the Saints and they feel him R. W. Replieth I Observe this Viperous Tongue saying to the Unknown Heavenly Author c. Old Persecutor he should have said of the people of God and then R. W. falleth a Railing instead of Answering and saith What is this but a Hight of Devilish Pride going before Destruction and Condemnation this proud Swelling Bladder pufft up with a Tympany of Wind what a huge Swelling Shew he maketh c. what Brutish Impudency a gross Frantick Papist c. And these Vnsavoury Vngracious words Roger might have kept at home for they be his own And R. W. thou say'st G. F. will not distinguish between Christ's Spiritual Presence and his Bodily he will not consider the Difference between Christ's Spirit and Body c. between their Sinful Flesh and Bones and the Sinless Flesh and Bones of the Man Christ Jesus c. between God manifested in the Flesh and Bones of that Man Christ Jesus and manifested in the Flesh and Bones of Believers in him and then fallest a railing c. and say'st the Self-conceited into the Dungeon of such Black and Heâ—lish Ignorance Answ. This is thy own Wilfulness that canst not receive a Distinction in thy Self-conceit and Dungeon and Black Hellish Ignorance For have not we said over and over and was it not declared to thee in the Dispute That we own God Manifested in the Flesh and Bones of the Man Christ Jesus and Suffered and Died at Jerusalem that is Risen and is at the Right Hand of God and that also he is Manifest by his Spirit in his Saints And as Christ saith They must eat his Flesh and drink his Blood if they would have Life in him who is that Bread that cometh down from Heaven whose words were Spirit and Life and doth not the Apostle say The Saints were Flesh of his Flesh and Bone of his Bone and what must we deny the Apostle's words and Christ's Doctrine here because thou gain-say'st it But why didst not
our Bodies which are his Temple have him alwayes Absent Then how should he Dwell in us how should he be Our Life how should we Fâ—ed upon him and how should our Hearts be Sanctified by him and how should we be His seeing the Apostle saith He that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his And If Christ be in you the Body is dead because of Sin and If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the Dead dwell in you he shall also quicken your mortal Bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you Rom. 8 10 11. and as G. F. Answereth That the Life of Christ is manifest in our mortal Flesh and manifest in our Body according to the Apostle's words 2 Corinth 4 10 11. Now R. W. wouldst thou have us Deny G. F. in this and not to Plead for him why dost thou not speak out and say Thou wonderest that we will not deny the Apostles but plead for them for did not they preach this Doctrine and did not they preach Christ within after his Resurrection and said he was their Life and they that had him not had not Life And did not the Apostles say they were Of his Flesh and Bone c why should'st thou wonder that we own G. F. in holding according to the Scriptures And dost not thou often in thy Book say G. F. owneth that Christ that died at Jerusalem as pag. 50. thou say'st he Owneth Christ without and that died at Jerusalem and page 52. thou say'st He confesseth him to have been a Real Man dying at Jerusalem now whether we may with more safety take his own words to be his mind or take thy sayings He Intends so contrary to his words for this is thy way of proving him and us all to deny Christ by thy Meanings that thou bring'st Contrary to our Words all may see that read thy Book See pag. 45. where thou say'st That Quakers say Christ was born at Bethlehem and died at Jerusalem but intend in truth and reality no other Birth Life nor Death but what may be Extant and wrought in the Heart of Man Here as in many other places of thy Book all may see how Contrary to our Words thou Judgest our Intents and from this Ground which we say in the presence of God is false and nothing but thy own Inventions thou thus Judgest and Condemnest us as Deniers of Christ's Coming and Suffering in the Flesh for Sin but here we find thee in the Bog and Swamp lost between Christ within and Christ without which the Apostles preached their Gospel being hid from thee thy Eye being darkned And R. W. thou say'st Thou wondrest we should be so blinded and hardned as to plead for G. F. in all particulars And in the same page thou say'st Thou dost not Remember that any of thy Three Opposites answered to any of thy Observations on Fox's Principles Answers and Evasions Is not hâ—re a Palpable Contradiction first to say We did so much plead for and excuse G. F and then to say Thou dost not remember We gave any Positive Answer if so what did we plead Thou say'st All our work was to keep our selves within our burrows R. W. He bringeth Francis Higginson's Saying Christ's Humane Nature c G. F.'s Fol. 71. G. F. Answ. Where doth the Scripture speak of Humane the word HVMANE where is it written that we may search for it Though we do not deny that Christ according to the Flesh was of Abraham but not the word HVMANE and Christs Nature is not Humane which is Earthly for that is the First Adam R. W. replieth and saith This Ignorant simple Cavil as I have before proved it to be from 1 Corinth 10. is often brought by G. F. in his Book in a horrible Equivocation to overthrow and destroy that Humane Nature that Flesh and Body of the Lord Jesus who yet had such a Body they say that died at Jerusalem Answ. Dost not thou here Contradict thy self in saying We say That he had such a Body that died at Jerusalem they are not G. F.'s words the Humane Body of Christ it 's the Priests for we own the Flesh and Body of Jesus Christ and as for Equivocation thou may'st keep it at home And Christ saith his Flesh and Blood is Meat indeed and he is the Bread of Life that came from Heaven and is it Humane Flesh R. W. that the Saints eat and is it Humane Blood the Saints drink but thou should'st have proved this by Scripture in plain words And doth not Christ say That he is from above and ye from beneath I am from Heaven and ye are from the Earth and as is the Earthly such are the Earthly and as is the Heavenly such are they also that are Heavenly The First Man is of the Earth Earthly the Second Man Mark Man is the LORD FROM HEAVEN 1 Cor. 15 47 48. and Christ is of the Seed of Abraham according to the Flesh This is according to Scripture But R. W. saith This is a Mental Reservation according to their Flesh God in their Flesh and Christ in their Flesh sâ—ffering at Mystical Jerusalem within them Answ. R. W. read in any of the Quakers Books or let the Reader see whether there be any such word in G. F.'s Answer as Christs suffering in Our Flesh at Mystical Jerusalem these are R. W.'s words which he hath forged as the Reader may see he often forgeth many words which were never spoken by us and then he crieth out Traiterous and Blasphemy Mental Reservation which indeed is his own Condition For we declare that God was manifest in the Flesh of Christ and Christ Suffered in the Flesh without the Gates of Outward Jerusalem and is Risen and is at the Right Hand of God and nevertheless Christ is manifest in our mortal Bodies and God dwelleth in us and walketh in us and we are his Temple And now we cannot deny this which is the Apostle's Doctrine though R. W. opposeth the Apostle's words and saith That we deny Christ without and God manifest in the Flesh his Sufferings at Outward Jerusalem Death and Resurrection which we own But this is his Wickedness and Wilfulness and he putteth us in his Bear 's Skin to set his Dogs at Us to make people believe That We do not believe Christ died at Jerusalem because we say that he is manifest within Us 2 Cor. 4 10 11. And we are of the Seed of Abraham and Isaac and are in Christ Jesus the Light in whom all Nations are Blest and thou that art not in him and He in thee art in the Serpent's Nature and Reprobate as thou speakest of R. W. And thou bring'st Act. 13. At Antioch Barnabas and Paul in a Synagogue of the Jews made the Humane Nature of the Lord Jesus as also in other places the great Subject of their Discourse and Preaching c. Answ. And had Christ no Body till Paul and Barnabas made it
This was the true Light which he bore witness to that Lighteth every Man which was the Life in the Word and R. W. with all his Evil Speakings witnesseth against it and calleth it a Fantastick Light a Childish Vapour and Whispering and Peeping but he might have kept this at home And The Father of Lights he saith proclaimeth us to he Children of howling Darkness and that there is no Light in them Answ. The Father of Lights proclaimeth no such thing nor his Son but saith Every One that doth the Truth cometh to the Light and every one that doth Evil hateth the Light and will not come to it because it reproveth him And this is R. W.'s Condition R. W. asketh What Light have the Papists Jews and the Devil when they bring Scripture to Christ and so falleth a railing Answ. But if the Jews and Papists do hate the Light like R. W. yet I never heard the Jews and Papists call it an Idol and a frantick Light as R. W. doth and we say neither he nor the Papists or Jews can see neither the Scriptures nor Christ without the Light And we never did say That Christ did enlighten the Devil himself with his true Light for Christ saith There is no Truth in him but R. W. saith That there is something of God that is from the Power and Wisdom of God in the fallen Spirits and the Devils themselves which we Charge R. W. and all his New-England-Priests to give us Scripture for those Words as in his Append. p. 5 and therefore why doth R. W. ask G. F. What Light hath the Devil himself And thou say'st The Devil bringeth a pertinent Scripture and Promise to Christ Jesus as ever the Papists or Quakers This R. W. might have kept at home with the Jesuitical Diabolical Reservations and venemous and poisonous with his Unsavory Ungratious words R. W. bringeth Enoch Howet G. F. Fol. p. 14. his sayings The Scriptures to be the Only Weapon whereby Christ overthrew the Devil G. F. Answ. Who bruiseth his Head to wit Christ was before the Scripture was yet the Scripture is for Correction and Doctrine furnishing the Man of God in his place And Christ the Seed was before the Scripture was and all that have Scripture and not Christ cannot Overcome the Devil ye and the Papists doing his Work For they that Overcome him it is with the Power of Christ for Christ saith Without me ye can do nothing and those have the Scriptures of Truth which the Devil is out of R. W.'s Reply How doth Christ's bruising of Satan's Head and being before Scripture was disprove c. and so falleth a-railing Who sees not Fox in his Burrough Answ. R. W. doth not or will not state G. F.'s words right as he hath spoken them as the Reader may see viz As Christ who bruiseth his Head being before Scripture was who bruiseth his Head by his Power and destroyeth Death and the Devil the Power of Death who is manifest in Time c. And R. W. saith As for G. F.'s saying They that have the Scripture and not Christ cannot overcome the Devil And R. W. Replieth What News doth he tell the World which no body denieth and yet thou say'st again How doth this deny that Christ Jesus overcame the Devil by Scripture which is the Sword the Only Sword and is called a Sword Append. p. 88. Answ. But R. W. thou must show us a Rule for it in Scripture Chapter and Verse That the Scripture is the Sword the Only Sword and yet thou say'st Append. p. 94. That it the Scripture doth not avail without the Spirit of God And how doth this hang together R. W That they that have the Scripture without the Spirit cannot overcome the Devil and yet The Scripture is the Sword and the Only Sword by which Christ overcame the Devil and The Scripture doth not avail without the Spirit and yet it is thy Only Sword and in thy Book called Experiments Epist. to Lady Vane the Younger 1652 thou say'st That the Two-edged Sword is of his God's most Holy Spirit which pierces between the very Soul and Spirit c. But these things are Answered more Largely in the Appendix R. W. saith Is all Scripture or Writing given forth by Inspiration of God and is profitable though G. F. alledgeth the Scriptures by Halves for Correction and Doctrine c. and Then it clearly follows that as Christ Jesus overcame the Devil by the Scriptures so c. Answ. Christ was the Power of God and the Devil brought Scripture to him and said It is written but Christ overcame him by the Power who is the Substance of the Scriptures And Christ through Death destroyed the Devil the Power of Death and was that by Scripture And G. F. doth confess he doth not write all the Scriptures which thou Scoffingly callest Halves neither doth R. W. write all the Scriptures nor half neither And Christ did not Overcome the Devil by the Scripture when he corrected him by Scripture in his Power and Spirit And the Apostle saith All Scripture given forth by Inspiration of God is profitable for Doctrine Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness that the Man of God may be perfect and throughly furnish'd to all good Works 2 Tim. 3. and this he doth not say to the Men of the World that be in the Evil Work like R. W. and his New-England-Priests and Professors are R. W. And thou say'st So by the same Weapon this Suttle Fox and all other of Satan's Foxes must be corrected confuted catch'd and destroyed except they repent for ever Answ. What! must the Scripture destroy us and that which is of no value without the Spirit of God R. W but this is Answered as I said afore Largely in the Appendix R. W. And with Scoffing words to no purpose thou say'st How he runneth in and out of his Holes c. As for the Quakers Power here pretended in Opposition to the Scriptures c. and Thus sometimes a Devil of Drunkenness Swearing Stealing runs away from the Sermons of the Quakers as a Naughty Devil sometimes as the Chiding and Conjuring of a good Witch that he may get the faster hold by c. Self-Conceit and Contradiction to the Scriptures by Will-worship and superstitious Inventions against the Holy Institutions and Commands of the true Lord Jesus Christ. Answ. R. W. and his New-England-Priests and Professors might have all those Vngratious Vnsavory Words kept at home But what is this good Witch he speaketh of for we own the Holy Scriptures and the Commands c. of the true Lord Jesus Christ and his Worship in Spirit and Truth And if thou had'st Overcome the Devil by the Only Sword of the Scripture we should never have such Railing Expressions from thee which proceed from him And thou tell'st a Story of the Devil and how a Child lieth down and crieth but thou might'st have kept this at home with all the rest of
Apostles did And the Ministers of Christ are Ministers of the Spirit though their Bodies be Visible while they be upon Earth And we never said That Outward Assemblies or Outward Men which did eat Outward Bread and Wine which is Visible were Invisible this is a Lying Charge from a Lying Spirit But the Baptism with the Holy Ghost and with the Spirit which is the Baptism of Christ we charge R. W. and his New-England-Priests to prove that Visible and by Scripture But whom hath R. W. Converted in New-England who are his Assembly if he cannot shew them his Epistles as the Apostles could then he is gone away from the Institutions of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Messengers c. and cometh under his own Charge and not we And where is the Assembly of R. W.'s and with whom And we tell R. W. that he must come to Repentance from his Dead Works and Faith towards God before he cometh to know the Christians true Religion And whereas R. W. speaketh of the Two Doctrines of Laying on of Hands and of Baptismes concerning the Circumstances of which God is pleased to permit his Children lovingly differing and discussing c. Answ. If these things Baptism Laying on of Hands c. Anointing with Oil and Washing the Saints Feet be laid aside and practised not by R. W. and his New-England-Priests and if that were Institutions and delivered by Christ and his Apostles for practice in worship or doctrine to be held up in the Church Then if you be gone from the practice of these things then are you fallen and gone away from the Institutions of the Lord Jesus Christ delivered by him his Apostles and Messengers and so fallen into that which thou chargest the Quakers with and so proved thy self a HYPOCRITE to Charge others with Neglect of that which thou dost not practise thy self R. W. Thou say'st Repentance it was an Heavenly and Saving Work of God upon the Soul c. and it was preach'd by Moses and the Prophets by John Baptist by Christ Jesus and his Apostles Luke 24. And Christ sent his Apostles to preach the Gospel to all Nations c. Answ. This disproveth R. W.'s Charges against us For as the Lord hath commanded us to preach Repentance yea in New-England as the people well knoweth yea and to himself as he hath confest and to other Nations but he and his New-England Priests like a Company of Hard-hearted Jews stopped their Ears to it But doth R. W. and the New-England-Priests go into all Nations and preach Repentance and the Gospel according to his own Charge if not he and the New-England-Priests are gone away from the First Institution of Christ his Apostles and Messengers and your Repentance is no more than the Papists thou speakest on who remain in your Persecuting Spirit Vnrepented of So it 's no true Repentance and your principle and profession is no sound principle or profession whilst thou wouldst have God's people PVNISHED and the New-England Priests Persecute them Those Christians that are come to true Repentance they Love one another and they Love Enemies and their Repentance is beyond yours and the Scribes and Pharisees which do Persecute So it 's clear that thine and the New-England Professor's Repentance is no true Repentance whose Hands are full of BLOOD and Cruelty and whose Tongue is full of Persecution And R. W. Thou say'st The Protestants protested against this Repentance of the Papists and Quakers Answ. And why against the Papists but is it not clear that R. W.'s and his New-England-Priests and Professors Repentance is but like the Papists Saul's Ahab's and Pharaoh's and the Philistians and Judas's For have not ye Protestants in Newâ—England manifested your Swords and Staves against the people of God call'd Quakers that have warn'd you to Repent and HANG'D BVRNT with an HOT IRON CVT OFF EARS and SPOIL'D the GOODS of the people of God and your Repentance is not come so far as Judas's was to make Restitution of the GOODS you have SPOIL'D And because R. W. liveth under a Government where he cannot have the Magistrates to punish us yet he saith he desireth that we might be punisht So it seemeth he wanteth Magistrates yet we must be Punisht though it be in Matter of Conscience But Christ and the Apostles give him no such Command and therefore his Repentance is a false Repentance and he is out of the Spirit that Christ and the Apostles were in which was to Love Enemies Overcome Evil with Good if there were such a thing And it 's plain and true that the Church of New-England is the Whore because the BLOOD of the Saints is found in her But God will reward her and them that are in her and cry her up And R. W. Thou say'st For all their Craking of Fear and Trembling c. there hath appeaâ—ed no Sense of Godly sorrow c. and Brokenness of Heart in them for their Sinful Nature c. but immediately upon their Bowing down to Satan and Owning him as a Light and Christ and Spirit within c. Answ. R. W. Thou in the Spirit of Horrid Blasphemy against Christ his Spirit and Light within art not like to be Sensible of our Sorrows and Brokenness of Heart And here hast not thou manifest thy self an Vn-repented Man worse than Judas For did ever Judas or the Papists nay the Turks call the Lord Jesus Christ the Only-Begotten Son of the Father who is full of Grace and Truth who saith himself he is the Light of the World did they ever call Christ and his Light and his Spirit Satan and they that Bowed down to Christ a Bowing down to Satan O Blasphemer what an Age of Darkness and Blasphemy are the New-England-Priests come into that hold â—orth such a Doctrine And here is it not clear let all that fear God see how R. W. is Degenerated and his New-England-Priests if this be their Doctrine from the Doctrine of the Apostle as he falsly chargeth the Quakers For the Apostle turn'd people from Darkness to Light c. this he confessed in his Examination as may be seen in the Acts and open'd the Eyes of the Blind c. and after that he had preach'd Christ's Death and Resurrection and at the Right Hand of God and many come to believe he preach'd Christ within them except they be Reprobates and told them that the Light that shined in their Hearts gave them Knowledge And so thou goest on with many false Accusations which are Answered in other places And R. W. Thou say'st VVhy should they say Thee and Thou to the Aged Learned Holy and High Ans. This R. W. bringeth that we are gone from the Institutions of Christ and his Apostles as in pag. 114 but we Charge R. W. and the New-England-priests where Christ and the Apostles instituted that we should say YOV to a Single person But who are these Learned Holy and High Is it R. W. and his New-England-priests that
set themselves in the place of God and call themselves Holy and High but it is himself that is the Aged And was not our patience manifest in bearing thy Cankcred Spirit which utter'd forth all these railing words against us let the people Judge R. W. And thou say'st Why should they not sâ—t Silent even Scores and Hundreds of them possessed with a dumb Spirit as in a Form and Order of Christian worship waiting for the Spirit Answ. R. W. Had better been Silent who hath brought forth such an Evil work and to have VVaited upon Christ as we do who speak as the Spirit giveth us Vtterance Which was the practice of the Church of the primitive Times which thou art erred from and now scoffingly callest Dumb Spirit because thy Railing Spirit were not fed with words according to thy Will And this is a False Charge of thine VVe wait for the Spirit But we VVait for the Signification and Motion of the Spirit for the Holy men of God spoke as they were Moved by the Holy Ghost But thou say'st There is no Voice nor Motion within that is to be turn'd to lissen'd to or hearken'd to in Heavenly Things as page 83. And now Is not R. VV. gone into the Darkness and from the VVay of all the Holy Prophets and Holy Apostles and Holy Men of God that Spoke when they were Moved by the Holy Ghost And is not R W. in the Steps of the Jews that Christ speaketh to that had neither heard the Voice of the Father at any time nor seen his Shape R. W. Thou sayst The Protestants both English French and Dutch have manifested against the Papists and therein against the Quakers That Repentance is a Turning of the whole Soul from all Sin as Sin to all of God as God Answ. What must we infer from his words in this place If that R. W. and his New-England-Priests and others be Turn'd so from all Sin by the Repentance to God as God that they are as Pure as God as Holy as God as Righteous as God and yet he findeth Fault with this in the Quakers But we must try R. W. by his Fruits and his Protestants especially in New England if their Repentance and his be not like to the Papists and how dare R. W. speak of this Repentance when he Blasphemeth so much against the Light of Christ and calleth it an Idol and a Frantick Light But that which he casteth upon us is come upon himself who like the Pharisees of Old their Conversion and Sin is from one Sin to another and their Swelling Pride of a Dropsie and Tympany c. as he scoffingly speaketh of of his Conceited Faith Repentance Justification Sanctification Mortification c. all this he might have applied at home and to his New-England-Priests who all along proveth himself and his New-England Professors to be the very people in the things he Chargeth upon us And it were well if ye could see nothing but Hell and Damnation in your selves as thou speakest of but this ye cannot See until ye come to the Spirit and Light of Christ which thou callest Blasphemously an Idol and a Fancy and therefore art not like to See the true Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ and his Light And thou sayst R. W. How do they Superciliouâ—â—y and Pope-like belch out as from Hell God I thank thee that I am not like these Publicans Answ. R. W. and his New-England-Priests might have kept this at home with his superciliouâ—â—y as he calleth it if he had found such a word in G. F.'s Book he would have roar'd and made some work at it and shewn it in print but Roger hath not hit our Conditions but himself And R. W. Thou sayst How instantly do they rail revile condemn and curse breath out Fire c. as Fire Brimstone from the mountains in Sicily c. against all that oppose them far from the Teaching of Christ and his first Messengers as Lambs c. Answ. Let the Sober Reader look in R. W.'s Book and see how he Condemneth himself and his Practice But how doth R. W. Rail against the Papists and Mahomet yea Protestants too as Formal and hath not R. W. and his New-England-Priests done more than Breathing out Fire from the Mountains of Sicily who have Hang'd and Burnt with an Hot Iron O! he and they might shame if they had any in them thus to upbraid the People of God called Quakers and to tell them they be in Cain's Nature and Core's and Balaam's and the Pharisees and Jezabel's and the Whore's that drinketh the Blood of the Saint's when Yâ— have done it and persecute for Religion like Nebuchadnezar this is not Railing And to tell R. W. when he calleth the Light of Christ an Idol and a Fancy and tellest him he is a Blasphemer this is not Railing And when R. W. saith A Bowing to Christ his Light and Spirit is a Bowing to Satan as in pag. 116. to tell him he is a Blasphemer against Christ's Light and Spirit this is not Railing But we do not matter what he and the New-England-Priests say against us but it woundeth our Souls and Spirits to hear the Son of God in whom he is well pleased to be thus blasphemed by such that falsly calleth himself a Christian And Christ did not Rail when he cried Wo against the Blind Scribes and Pharisees calling them Whited Walls and said They were of their Father the Devil nor the Apostles who called such as he Evil Beast and Slow-Bellies and cried Wo against such as went into the Way of Cain Neither did they Rail against Elymas and Simon the Sorcerer which Spoke Truth unto them But thou that givest us Names to the Lambs and Children of God and hast no Motion within of Heavenly things of Supernatural Light art degenerated from the Spirit and Practice the Saints were in in the Primitive Times I and J. B. do maintain and preach true Repentance towards God and Faith in Christ Jesus as the Apostles did And thou sayst He continued above half an hour though not so long as W. Edmondson in preaching this Doctrine But why did'st not set it down and thou confessest They delivered many holy Truths of God p. 119 R. W. Thou goest about to Prove Our Faith is False Answ. But we shall see if R. W. hath not prov'd his own and his New-England Priests and professors Faith contrary to Christ's and the Apostles and the Faith of God's Elect which Christ Jesus is the Author and Finisher of And is not R. W. erred from this Doctrine and Faith who maintaineth with Fr. Duke The Scripture to be the Ground of Christ's Faith and the Saints pag. 102 103 104. and so erred from the Apostles in the Primitive Times who said Look unto Jesus the Ground Author and Finisher of Faith He did not bid them Look to the Scripture the Ground Author and Finisher of Faith but to Christ. And R. W. thou sayst That thou wouldst demonstrate
by Instances out of G. F.'s Book all along that he confounded and made all one both Faith and Justification c. and made Believing in Christ but a meer Babel and fallest a railing because that G. F. saith He that hath Faith hath Repentance hath Justification Sanctification c. Answ. But dost not thou Confound thy self for thou sayst That Repentance is a Turning of the whole Soul from all Sin as Sin to all of God as God as this is R. W.'s Form of Words and yet R. W. have not they then that have Repentance Faith Justification and Sanctification And G. F.'s words are He that hath Faith hath Repentance Can any have Faith without Repentance or any Justification without Repentance and Faith or any have Sanctification without Repentance Faith thou wouldst have Justification Sanctification without Faith and Repentance Thou mayst keep thy Babel to thy self And Christ Jesus that preach'd Repentance saith Believe in the Light that you may become Children of Light and this Light thou callest an Idol and a Fancy and so hast plainly manifest thou art no true Believer in the Lord Jesus Christ nor true Christian and who wouldst have Faith Justification and Sanctification without Repentance hast neither true Faith Justification Sanctification And so as for Babel Non-sense Confusion Monstrous thou mayst keep at home R. W. And thou sayst Thou told'st us that we and the Papists talk of Faith and G. F. talk'd much of Faith Answ. As for the Papists Faith thou and the New-England-Priests might have applied at home But for the Saints Faith it is the True which Jesus Christ is the Author of and we have received it from him and not from Men. And thou in disproving our Faith thou hast prov'd thy self out of the True Faith in Christ which thou opposest R. W. And so thou sayst They have put out the True and Living Faith and have put in a painted or Glass-eye in the Room of it Answ. This is thy own condition who deniest the Faith in Christ Jesus that he is the Author and Finisher of Which in all this Work thou goest about to overthrow but thou canst not R. W. And thou sayst True Faith is Receiving of Christ Jesus as only King Priest and Prophet it is believing on and receiving of Christ distinct from God Joh. 14. And This true Lord Jesus Christ the Quakers turn into a meer Fiction Dream or Imaginary Christ in the Mind of Man c. And thou fall'st a-railing and tellest us We are like the Papists and sayst The Quakers Transubstantiation is worse then the Fantastick Transubstantiation of the Papists Answ. How can R. W. receive Christ Jesus as a Priest King and Prophet and believe in him who call'st the True Light of Christ an Idol which John bore Witness unto Or be a Believer as Christ Commanded and said Be a Believer in the Light and he calleth this Light a Fancy So no Believer in the True Christ nor no Receiver of Christ King Priest and Prophet Neither is R. W. in the True Faith which Christ Jesus is the Author and Finisher of who maintaineth The Scripture is the Ground of Christ's Faith and the Saints yet he saith Christ is afore Scripture And he confesseth that Abel Enoch Noah Abraham c had Faith afore Scriptures and again he saith That true Faith is Receiving of Christ. But let R. W. and his New-England-Priests prove by Scripture That God the Creator of all things and the true Lord Jesus Christ his Son whom we believe in according to Scripture as the Prophets and Apostles did can be turn'd into a Fiction and Dream let him make this Blasphemy good by Scripture if he can And R. W. who calleth himself Orator did the Apostles turn Christ into an Imaginary Christ Dream and Fiction when they preach'd Christ in you except ye be Reprobates and is this Worse than the Papists Transubstantiation prove this by Scripture And thou art degenerated and the New-England-Priests if this be their Doctrine and Preaching of Christ and the Apostles in the Primitive Times R. W. And then thou sayst that we say All Spirit and no Body and so not consisting of Flesh and Spirit and yet thou contradictest thy self and say'st We are of his flesh c And then thou fall'st a-railing and thou sayst That we say All must die and rot and never rise again and sayst So you have blown up and Juggled away the Flesh of Christ Jesus both his and your own altogether And further thou sayst We can give no Account of the Flesh of the Man Christ Jesus and thou fallest a-railing Answ. Dost not thou see how thou Contradictest thy self but instead of proving thy false Charge thou hast utter'd forth many more false Charges Where did ever we say in any of our Books That we shall not rise again or That Christ is not risen The same that Descended is the same that is Ascended and at the Right Hand of God did not we confess this before thee at Newport and yet thou Wickedly sayst That we can give no Account of when we gave Account according to Scripture as the Apostle saith And did not we say that we believe the Resurrection as the Apostle did and as we have born the Image of the Earthly so we shall bear the Image of the Heavenly 1 Cor. 15. R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers which grant Christ Jesus to have been born lived and died as we c. and here thou overthrowest thy Babel of false Charges And then thou Contradictest thy self and sayst And yet now Transubstantiated into a Spirit and the Quakers Flesh so that in the upshot the Christ in whom they believe is vanished by an Hellish Chymistry into themselves c. Answ. R. W. How far art thou degenerated from the Apostles Doctrine did the Apostles say so when they preach'd Christ within and said They were Flesh of his Flesh and Bone of his Bone And Christ saith Except ye eat my Flesh and drink my Blood ye have no Life in you c. and wouldst thou keep us from our Heavenly Food by which we have Life And art not thou worse then the Jews that loaded the Manna from Heaven who addest Lie unto Lie to prove thy false Charge but the Father of Lies hath set thee at Work and the Day will come when Christ will reward thee who Blasphemest him R. W. And thou sayst They do believe on themselves and that lying Spirit within them Answ. R. W. Thou canst not speak Truth thou art not like indeed this is another false Charge For we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as he hath taught and the Apostles and deny Our selves and thy Lying Spirit within thee And we know thy condition where thou art and the New-England-Priests better than thy self and if you had been good we would not have forsaken you And R. W. Confessed That J. B. had delivered many Holy Truths of God and yet thou sayst At
Faith Worketh by Envy Malice Persecution Bloodshed and Murther And so Poor Bancrupts ye may apply to yourselves And if ye were in the Grace which cometh by Jesus your Practice and thy Words would have been more Gratious which testifieth you are not in the Grace of God which the Apostle was in but have turn'd it into Wantonness R. W. Bringeth Joseph Miller's Saying It 's an Error to say we are Justified by that which Christ doth in us G. F. Fol. p. 47. Answ. Contrary to the Apostle who saith We are Justified by Faith in his Blood And the Faith is in the Heart and the Blood is in the Heart that purifieth it And the Mystery of Faith is held in a pure Conscience And the Word of Faith is within Rom. 10 and Faith giveth Victory over the World and that which giveth Victory Justifieth and Christ is within who is Justification Sanctification c. and if either of them is found within thou art in an Error and not fit to talk of these things thou understandest not R. W. Replieth and saith Grant that in a true Respect and Sense Faith is within and the Blood c. And then he saith Will it therefore follow twice over Answ. And doth G. F. say that they were not Without before they were Within or else how should they come Within and doth G. F. say any such word that they are one in his Answer So as for thy Babilonish Mystery Jumbling and Blending thou might'st have kept at home who hast confest to the Truth and canst not own it R. W. And thou sayst It 's true Christ dwelleth in our hearts by believing the Apostle saith by Faith Ephes. 3. and thou sayst Consequently his Cross his Manger his Grave his Literal Bloodshed are Within c. and his Spear Soldiers High-priests Scribes Pharisees Pilate Romans Jerusalem are literally within us Answ. This is thy own Brutish Fancy as thou callest it to talk at this Rate which neither we nor the Apostle preach'd such a false Doctrine and therefore thou mayst take it home again as a Forging by thy own spirit And cannot Christ be preach'd by the Apostles and his Servants now in the Hearts of his Saints without all these Outward Things as thou Maliciously bringest here And the Reader may see there is nothing in G. F.'s Answer for him to bring these Words For we own the Man Christ Jesus really shedding his Blood without the Gates of outward Jerusalem c. And a many Vnsavoury Words thou hast here which thou mayst take home again But can Christ Jesus be blown up and Vanish together with the Scriptures as thou affirmest and according to thy Consequence here O no he is Ascended far above thy Blowing up But thy Antichrist may be blown up who callest the Light of the true Christ an Idol and a Fancy And R. W. bringeth John Bunyan G. F. Fol. 10. saying It is not Faith and Works that Justifieth a Man before God but it is Faith and Good Works which justify in the Sight of Men only and such Works will not justify in the Sight of God And he saith That Works are only to justify their Faith to be true before Men. G. F. Answereth Abraham was not justified only to Men by his Obedience but to God and where is Faith there is Justification which worketh by Love And the Saints Faith and Works were not only to justify them in the Sight of Men For the Work of God is to do what he saith and his Will which who doth not are not justified in so doing but are to be beaten with stripes Who seek to be justified by their Faith and Works in the Sight of Men are in a Dead Faith and Works both for such seek to please Men more than God And R. W. Replieth and falleth a-railing and saith G. F. maintaineth a Covenant of Works Answ. But there is no such thing as the Reader may see but the Faith which worketh by Love as the Apostle speaketh of the New Covenant and this R. W. who is so Envious cannot see But he maintaineth the Faith of Christ Jesus and also the Faith of Abraham and the Apostle saith They are of Abraham who walk in the Steps of the Faith of Abraham who is the Father of the Faithful R. W. And thou sayst The Work of God according to Christ's Doctrine is to believe in him whom God hath sent It is true it is the Command of God to keep his Commands but since the Deadly Fall of Man none not one being able c. Answ. What! None can keep the Commands of God neither in the Old Testament nor in the New that cometh to Christ and doth the Work of God To believe in his Son whom God hath sent then None loveth God nor believeth For is not this the Command and Work of God to believe in his Son What! are the Commands of God in the New Testament only to be talked of because they did not keep them in the Old Now doth not the Apostle say The Law is fulfill'd in one Word Love God and thy Neighbour as thy self We know R. W. and his New-England-Priests c. have not kept this Command for if they had Loved God they would not have kill'd his people for Love doth not kill nor Envy And also R. W. if he had Loved God and kept in his Love we should not have had this Envious Evil Work brought forth And R. W. saith They that do not God's Will are not justified in so doing And therefore R. W. concludeth They that do God's will are justified in so doing and that their Sins are pardon'd as Paul and David by pardon of Sin describe justification And thou sayst That there is divers Significations of this Latin Word Justification Answ. What is this to the Purpose as to Christ's words They that do not the Will of God are un-justified in so doing And wa not Paul's c. Sin pardon'd by Christ through Faith who Justified him But dost thou justify the Papists and the New-England Priests and Professors Drinking the Blood of the Saints and thy self who would'st have us to be punisht so thou wouldst have us Beaten and the New-England Men did Beat us because we did not do your Wills But you cry Pardon of Sin by Christ Jesus and are doing the Devil's Work and not Christ's Will and Command which is To love one another and to love Enemies Thou sayst R. W. Doth it follow therefore that they that do not Steal Whore Murther c. by this abstaining from Sin and by this their Work they obtain their Pardon and stand by this their Work Legally right and justified in the Court of Heaven Answ. R. W. Are they Justified that Run on in their Sin Stealing Whoredom and Murther which the true Faith that Christ is the Author of leadeth from purifieth from and giveth Victory over such Evils and seeth Christ the Author of their Faith whom he hath bought with his
as ever we could meet withal did believe that the Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared to all men and is not that Saving which bringeth Salvation which the Wicked turn into Wantonness and walk despitefully against the Spirit of Grace But what doth R. W. say of them that had tasted of the good Word of God Heb. 6 I do not believe that ever he or the New-England-Priests came so far And how can R. W. talk of Falling away from Grace and Light and is yet in the Fall and calleth Christ's Light an Idol and so not come to it R. W. And thou sayst Thou told'st us that the Papists and we were Confederates in their Endeavours to raze the Heavenly Records and to rob the Saints of the Holy Scriptures This is a false Charge for we esteem of the Scriptures more then thou and the New-England-Priests and they And thou sayst The Papists own the Snriptures to be the Word or Will of God c. but the Quakers will not vouchsafe it the Name of the Word of God Answ. Here then the Papists differ and are one with thee and the New-England-Priests and are Contrary to the Prophets and the Apostles who call the Scriptures WORDS and Christ Jesus who saith they are Words and his Name is called the Word of God and not scoffingly as thou call'st it our Simple Pretence but really he is so And thou that givest the Title to the Scripture which belongeth to Christ which the holy Men of God did not art degenerated from both Spirit and Speech R. W. And thou sayst The Papists horribly abuse the Scripâ—ures and call it a Nose of Wax c. and so do the Quakers â—riumphing over it c. as over a Dead Letter a Carkass c. Answ. R. W. These are thy own forg'd Words Where did ever the Quakers call it a Dead Carcass and triumph over the Scriptures for thou sayst thy self The Letter profiteth nothing without the Spirit And the Apostle saith The Letter killeth but the Spirit giveth Life and was he therefore a Papist R. W. And thou sayst The Papists prefer the Vulgar Latin Copies before the Hebrew and sayst Do not the Quakers simply and brutishly bind themselves to the bare Letter of the Common English Answ. Here the Quakers and the Papists Dis-agree And dost not thou say That the Scriptures are the Word of God which we say are Words And must not we own Scriptures as they call themselves for dost not thou say They are the Touchstone and if the English Copies be not true why dost thou tell us The Scriptures are the Touchstone and the Rule and the Word of God and why hast not thou and the New-England-Priests mended them all this time And dost not thou say That Ravius proclaimes above a Thousand Faults to be in our Last Translation How now R. W. and yet are they the Touch-stone and the Rule and the Word of God how darest thou say they are the Word of God if there be a Thousand Faults in them And how darest thou say They are the Touch-stone the Ground of Christ's Faith and the Saints as in thy Book pag. 102. and the Priest saith They are the Means of Faith yet thou dost extol this Man calling him a most-Famous Hebraician â—hat saith There be above a Thousand Faults in the last Translation of them And R. W. saith The Papists set up a Judge in Controversy above the Holy Scriptures c. and the Quakers say the same of their Spirit c. Answ. But how canst thou call it the Holy Scriptures if thou sayst There be a Thousand Faults in them And is not the Spirit aâ—ove the Scriptures that gave them forth and the Word of God which was afore they were as thou hast confest But the Quakers are not agreed with the Papists here but the Papists are agreed with you If the Spirit of God be not the Judge and not to be set above the Scriptures ye and the Papists are of one Spirit but not in that that gave forth the Scriptures and the Word of Wisdom which was afore they were Written R. W. And thou sayst The Papists will not deny to make the Scriptures the Rule to be tried by it yet their Church and Pope must Interpret it Answ. That is like to you that do Interpret them and give Meanings and find Fault with us for taking it Literally so ye and the Papists are agreed And then thou fall'st a-railing But we tell you both that the Holy Ghost proceedeth from the Father and the Son the Spirit of Truth is that which leadeth into all Truth R. W. And thou sayst The Papists generally use not the Scriptures in their Devotions in their Mother-Tongue but in Latin which thou callest the Whore's Tongue of Italy And then thou tellest a long Story of Luther and sayst The Papists and Quakers slight the Holy Scriptures Answ. But here thou canst not Join the Quakers with the Papists for we do not use in our Devotion to speak the Scriptures out of our own Language Neither do we justify the Papists in â—o doing R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers at first took off themselves Families and Assemblies from any use of it to wit the Scriptures Answ. This is altogether false all people knoweth it is that knows both our Families and Assemblies R. W. And thou sayst The Papists and Quakers say If the Scriptures were consumed and quite taken out of the World there would be no Loss c. Answ. This also is false the Quakers never said so they never had such a Thought in their Hearts that we know of But No man knoweth the things of God in the Scriptures but by the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God leadeth us into all Truth of the Scriptures both to the Comforting of our Assemblies and Families R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers and Papists love the Scriptures no better then Goliah loved David's Stone Answ. And we may say to thee Thou lovest the Scriptures no more then thou lovest the Light of Christ who callest it a Fancy and an Idol But by the Scriptures and the Spirit of God that gave them forth we have proved thee That thou neither lovest the Scriptures nor the Spirit of God which gave them forth which we love and esteem R. W. Thou sayst The Papists and Quakers Shake hands in the most Hellish Doctrine of Justification by what Christ worketh within us Answ. Is the Apostles Doctrine Hellish and Popish who are Justified by Faith and doth not Christ work Faith within how doth it purify the Heart And this Faith within owneth Christ it doth not deny that he died without the Gates of Jerusalem for all men And where do we put Justification for Sanctification and is not this Sanctification wrought within Men And where do either ye or the Papists confess that Christ is the Author and Finisher of Faith for thou wrongst the Papists For if they confess that that
Faith that purifieth their hearts giveth them Victory and Access to God they need not plead for a Purgatory when they are dead nor thou for a Body of Sin and Death to the Grave R. W. Thou sayst The Quakers are Papists in that Infallible Spirit c. to wit the Spirit of Truth which Christ and his Father hath sent to lead us in all Truth Answ. This Holy Ghost the Papists have denied to our Faces and therefore thou Abusest the Papists And ye have confest ye have not the same Holy Ghost that the Apostles had and therefore they and the New-England-priests are of one Nature for they have said the same And this Spirit shall reprove the World of Righteousness c. as Christ saith And if all men did believe in the Light and not turn the Grace of God into Wantonness nor grieve the Spirit which God hath poured out upon them it would Teach them and instruct them And that we do exhort people to that they may escape the Dreadful Judgements of God who will Judge the World in Righteousness And then thou scoffest against our Preachers c. But we have preach'd the Everlasting Gospel in New-England and other places and it had been very well if thou had'st turn'd to the Spirit of God within thee that thou makest slight of R. W. Thou sayst The Quakers are Papists in a high Lofty Conceit of Perfection when in Calvin's time this Spirit came from Hell c. Answ. Dost not thou Contradict thy self and sayst The Papists hold a Purgatory then how are they like the Quakers that hold Perfection And so they are near thee that must have a Combate or a Fighting all thy Life and no Overcoming And how darest thou to say The Spirit and Doctrine of Perfection came from Hell in Calvin's Time c. for it is the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles to his Saints and Followers R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers in the latter Years in Lancashire came from the Grindletonians Answ. This is also false the Grindletonians know otherwise and the people in Lancashire R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers and Papists are great Friends in their Notions and Practice of Revelations c. and Inspirations Answ. How can the Papists own true Revelation that own not the same Holy Ghost as they were in that gave forth Scriptures So their Dreams and Visions are like thine and so not like the Quakers who know the things of God that are reveal'd by the Spirit of God And thou that scoffest at Revelation Inspiration c. knowest not the things of God but art in the Natural dark State thou speakest of And R. W. Thou sayst What a Noise we make about Vncovering the Head Knee Wearing of Lace c. and saying of You and Thou and Musick and Painting and thou callest it Idle Popish Trash and Trumpery Answ. These are thou and thy Protestants that make such a Noise about them Nay would'st thou not have us to be punish'd for doing those things p. 200. And What must we infer from all this R. W. would have his Musick and the Head Vncovered and Knee bowed to him and Wearing of Laces and You instead of Thou said to him and he is offended at us because we deny such things and so are the Papists his Brethren And we tell R. W. and his New-England-priests that they never shall know true Religion till their Flesh be Silent to know what it is to Tremble at the Word of God and to work out their Salvation with Fear and Trembling for it is God that worketh in us both to Will and to Do. But this Voice and Motion hath R. W. not known nor heard yet R. W. Thou sayst The Papists and Quakers are Brethren in Iniquity in their Affirming â—hat the Pope is not the Anti-Christ Answ. And how can this be when G. F. said Anti-Christ was come in the Apostles Days and the World went after him And thou and ye New-England-Priests and the Papists that are inwardly Ravening from the Spirit and Grace and Truth in the heart and Anointing and Word and Faith there though ye do profess Christ and the Apostles Words in the Sheeps-Cloathing and drink the Blood of the Saints as the Papists and New-England have done must needs be the Whore and Anti-Christ your Fruits have declared it and thou art Stirring up the Magistrates to punish us who were the Livery of the Bloody Whore R. W. Thou sayst The Papists change their Names and why the Quakers guided by the same Hellish Spirit and Fancy are so tender about owning their Old Names Answ. Let the Reader see how Angry this Old Doting Man is where had any Quakers changed their Names as the Papists have done this is no Comparison But I must tell thee as John said He that overcometh hath a New Name And Our Names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life and doth R. W. think this is the Old Name nay this is not And yet we do not say we are weary of our Old Names which our Parents have called us by But will R. W. say that was a Hellish Spirit that changed Paul's Name and therefore was he like a Papist And if thou dost call the Holy Ghost the Spirit of Truth a Hellish Spirit and so blasphemest against the Holy Ghost remember Christ's Sentence R. W. Thou sayst again The Papists and Quakers are led by one Spirit of feigned Holiness c. Monkish Solitariness c. must be sequestred from Wordly Business is the Beggars Life and Paul wrought night and day with his hands which I never read of any of these Lying Apostles Quakers in all their Travails to have done Answ. All people may Judge thee here Led with a Lying Spirit For of whom hath our people Begg'd and where are our Nuns and our Fryaries thou fillest up thy Book with such Lying Stories The Spirit of God Leadeth us to no such things no more then he did the Apostles But R. W. to prove us that we are not According c. as thou sayst because thou hast not read that we labor night and day in our Travails as the Apostles and therefore our Doctrine our Practice our Faith and our Religion must not he according to the Apostles Herein he hath proved all his Priests in New-England not to be in the Doctrine of the Apostles which have so much a Year which the Apostles had not and that you are gone from the Religion Practice and Profession of the Primitive Messengers and Teachers And it is known that we have Labored night and day in our Travails though he hath not read it and have not been Chargeable to any and coveted no Man's Gold nor Silver And let him enquire in Rode-Island and Long-Island whether J. B. did not work there or no R. W. Thou might'st have kept that at home to say The Quakers Tongues and the Papists are both spitting and belching out Fire from one Fire of Hell Answ. And this is thy
own Condition let any read thy Vngratious Words and see if the Papists can be worse R. W. Thou sayst The Protestants hope and speak Charitably of the Salvation of many of the Papists Answ. But ye shall hear R. W.'s Charity viz If it please the most-High Old and New-England may Flourish when the Pope and Mahomet Rome and Constantinople are in Ashes in his Epistle to the King And further in his Epistle to Baxter and Owen The Pope and Mahomet whom some of you may live to see flung in the lake which burneth with Fire and Brimstone Here is R. W.'s his Protestants Charity R. W. And thou sayst G. F. and the rest they Judge all that differ from Christ that is themselves Answ. This is a scoffing Word to say That Christ is Ourselves for he teacheth us to deny Ourselves who Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World And they that hate the Light hate Christ from whence it cometh and are not the true Believers and have not Vnity with Christ or with us who walk in the Light or amongst themselves either So with the Light they are condemneâ— that hate it Joh. 3. R. W. Thou sayst The Quakers and Papists are Fire brands both in the matter of Persecution c. and thou sayst The Protestants cried out against all Persecution and further I say the Quakers most vehemently cry out against Violence against Creatures but against their Corruptions and Corrupt Principles Answ. Is this good Sense R. W. those are thy own words And further this is a false Charge as to say The Papists and Quakers are Fire brands both in the matter of Persecution For this thou shouldst have applied to the New-England priests whose BLOODY HANDS have been embroiled in the BLOOD of the Lambs of Christ. And therefore thou and the Papists are one and not the Quakers as thou hast proved them all along thy self and the priests and Professors in New-England to be one with the Papists and not the Quakers For whom have we IMPRISON'D whom have we WHIPT whose EARS have we CVT OF Whom have we BANISHT and whose GOODS have we SPOILED because they would not hear us nay R. W. Christ hath given us better Weapons And we do believe that the Word of the Lord that we preach'd amongst you is Cutting but thou art afraid we shall get an Outward Sword O! we have better Weapons to maintain our Religion the Lord hath abled us withal the Shield of Faith and the Sword of the Spirit c. And what is Cain that kill'd Faithful ABEL now afraid Well he may but we leave God to revenge the BLOOD of his Faithful Servants which hath been drunk in New-England And there is no such thing neither in G. F. nor E. B nor J. Stubs maintaineth that any should be punish'd for Religion Conscience Faith or Worship as thou falsly chargest but that Magistrates are to punish Evil-doers and as Christ saith He that doth Evil to wit any Murther Theft Adultery c. hateth the Light And as for our Agreement with Papists Arminians Pelagians c. This is like the rest of thy false Charges and Comparisons And what dost thou talk of Election and Predestination c. when thou callest the Light of Christ an Idol For these are Mysteries to thee who art not come to take heed unto the Light that shineth in a dark place R. W. And thou tellest us of the Protestants Doctrine of a Certain Number of God's Elect that are Chosen and drawn by Mercy out of the Lump of lost Mankind Answ. Now if they be drawn by Mercy must not this be by the Spirit of God within And is not this contrary to thy own Doctrine to say There is no Voice nor Motion within of heavenly things and supernatural Light And thou speakeâ—◠〈◊〉 his Call in Time by his holy Word and Spirit c. And is not this Spirit and Call within then is there not a Voice and a Motion And how canst thou talk of the New Birth and believe not in the Light to become a Child of Light Those things indeed ye New-England-Protestants hold in Talk but not in Possession R. W. And thou sayst The Quakers are Brethren with the Socinians c. in making Christ a Type and Figure an Example how Christians ought to walk not that the Blood that was shed upon the Cross at Jerusalem was a sufficient Price and Satisfaction c. for the Sins of the whole world Answ. It 's like thou wrongest the Socinians as thou dost us For we tell thee thy Charge is false and a Lie in thy Mouth For we say Christ is the Substance of all Figures and Types but doth not the Apostle say He left us an Example how Christians ought to walk even as he did But R. W. and his New-England-priests cannot endure to hear talk of this Walking and this Example This is Socinian this is Quaker's and yet the Apostle's Doctrine and thou that deniest this art degenerated from the Apostle's Doctrine Practice and Walking For even hitherto were ye called because Christ also suffer'd for you leaving you an Example that ye should follow his steps 1 Pet. 2 So we can commit our Case to God who judgeth righteously and doth not heed thy false Judgement And so we own the Lord Jesus Christ both his Birth Suffering Death Resurrection though thou falsly drawest this Consequence upon us That the Body and Blood and Death of Christ is nothing but a Fancy We have heard thy Foul Words and Slander the Lord knows there is no such thing in our Hearts and if thou hadst the Fear of God in thy Heart thou wouldst never have publisht such things to defile peoples minds with such Lying Imaginations of thy own Brain And thou shalt know one day that the Lord will return Judgement upon thee for all thy Hard Speeches against us R. W. And as for Devilish Jesuitical Tricks thou might'st have kept at home who sayst G. F. buggles at the Word Humane as at a Ratle-snake Answ. Nay he doth not but to give a New Name to Christ which the Scripture doth not give which thou sayst is the Rule And we do not find the Word in the Scripture and therefore why canst not thou keep Scripture-Terms R. W. Thou sayst Yet then examine them as I have done what is become of him then he is vanisht into a Spirit and Ghost Answ. R. W. had not a Word to say to G. F. when he was at Providence where was the Spirit and Ghost then as thou callest it but railest upon him behind his back And art thou like to Examine us or our Principles without the Light of Christ that callest it an Idol Nay R. W. thou knowest not thy own Condition and therefore thou art not like to Examin ours R. W. saith The Sabellians and Quakers are one confounding Father Son and Spirit in one Answ. Then thou mayst say Christ confounded the Father and the Son when he said
Things in the time of the Law in the Old Covenant R. W. And thou say'st We cry out against Ornaments of Garments and otherwise against the Order God hath set in his Works and the Variety of his Gifts for Necessity for Conveniency for Delight c. Answ. How now Roger art not thou one with the Papists here Now we charge R. W. and his New-England-Priests to make it good by the Scripture in the New Testament where Ornaments of Garments are called the Order of God and that they should set forth his Works and that Variety of his Gifts for Necessity for Conveniency for Delight This is a Brave Ranting Doctrine of R. W.'s for the Lust of the Eye for the Pride of Life which is not of the Father And art not thou degenerated here from the Apostle's Doctrine in the Primitive Times That the Women should adorn themselves in Modesty of Apparel c. not with broidered Hair or Gold or Pearls or Costly Array but plaiting the Hair And Gold and Pearls and Costly Array setteth out the Creature and are for Delight and Conveniency But the Apostle doth not say to the Christians that those are for Conveniency But R. W. is angry with the Quakers because they Cry against such things 1 Tim. 2 9. and 1 Pet. 3.4 Who is Adorning let it not be that Outward Adorning of plaiting the Hair and the wearing of Gold or of putting on of Apparel but let it be in the Hidden Man of the Heart Now here ye may see these things are forbidden by the Apostle and R. W. saith for Conveniency for Dilight And here all may see how he is degenerated from the Apostle's Spirit and Doctrine like unto the Vain People Papists and Jews and how he opposeth us that stand for the Doctrine of the Apostle In this he will have Proselites enough for Delight and Conveniency his Vain Doctrine Contrary to the Apostle And these are some of the Proofs to prove us to be Like unto the Papists Arminians and Socinians and Judaism and that we are not as they were in the Primitive Times which all these will receive this Doctrine from R. W. very Joyfully and so he is nearer to them than the Quakers which testify against all such things And so J. B. and W. E. might well tell thee how thou hast charged them and Proved nothing and so these things are left to every Man's Conscience to Judge whether R. W. hath proved his Charges or prov'd himself to be the Man found in those things which he hath falsly charged upon us the Lord God and the Witness in People knoweth it And R. W. Thou sayst Thou asked'st us where was the Man Christ Jesus now that we confess'd was Born in Bethlehem and died at Jerusalem Answ. We say He is where the Scriptures say He is to wit at the Right Hand of God He that Descended is the same also that Ascended and yet Manifest by his Spirit in his People Ephes 4 10. To this R. W. saith Then musl his Body be Ubiquitary as the Transubstantiators and Consubstantiators are forc'd to hold then must his Monstrous Body come from within his Saints yea from within all Mankind to Judgment Answ. This R. W. might have told to the Apostles if he had been in their Days and compared Paul's Doctrine with the Papists Transubstantiation who told the Saints that Christ was in them except they were Reprobates And what must we Infer from this Doctrine That Christ cannot be within his Saints by his Spirit who is at the Right Hand of God and filleth all things but he must be within them as a Man of four foot Long as the Priest saith And whereas thou sayst That then his Body must be Ubiquitary that is Every where thou may'st as well tell the Apostle so who saith He that Descended is the same also that Ascended up far above all Heavens that he might fill all things And was not this Christ that must Judge the World according to the Gospel R. W. And thou tell'st us of a Woman Elizabeth Williams that the Lord open'd her Mouth and saying This Man hath discharg'd his Conscience he hath fully proved what he undertook against you and the Words which he hath spoken shall Judge you at the Last Day And then thou goest on pleasing thy self Answ. But what hath this Woman set R. W. in the Room of Christ and must his Words Judge us and must we believe that R. W.'s Words Lies false Charges and Slanders are equal with Christ's Words So she hath proved R. W. the Anti-Christ his Words must Judge us But R. W. how could the Lord open this Woman's Mouth when thou say'st There is no Voice nor Motion within in Heauenly things c. But how can R. W. tell us of the Father of Lights when he calleth Christ's Light an Idol and a Fancy And so as foâ— Deceived and Deceiving Souls R. W. had better to have kept this at home R. W. Thou sayst Thou presented'st a Paper to us at Providence which thou hadst presented at Newport Anabaptists moving for the Reading of it Answ. And Wm. Edmond might very well call upon thee to make good thy Written Charges for thou hadst written already more than thou couldst make good and thou bringing in of fresh Matter to spend time and to put by what was already in hand For the Business we had with thee was to make good thy false Charges which thou neither couldst nor hast and we said well If the Letter contained Matter tending to prove thy false Charge it should be read Then R. W. saith he put it up at the Motion of Capt Holden Now the Reader may see that we profered fair viz If that it concerned the Matter of thy false Charge it should be read And R. W. Thou sayst of John Green asking Whether R. W. be here as a Delinquent charged at the Bar or as a Disputant upon Equal Terms and thou sayst We waved this as well as we could Answ. He might have seen that R. W. charged us and therefore it was but Civil in all people for to have heard him to make good his Charges who charged so many horrid false Charges against us or joined with him which we offered fairly to them and shewed their Civility to us as strangers in the Country For it was he that Summoned and Arraigned us and not that we Arraigned him which the Vnprejudic'd Reader may see in his Book over and over how he has Arraigned us and Judged us and Condemned us but was turn'd back upon his own Head So it had been but Civil for any of the people that took his Part to have Joined with him or else to have Ceased differring any New Matter till he had done And R. W.'s Seventh false Charge and Position is viz The people called Quakers in Effect hold no God no Christ no Spirit no Angel no Devil no Resurrection no Judgement no Heaven no Hell but what is in Man
which are thy own words not ours And G. F. asketh you the question concerning the Soul but why doth not R. W. Answer it and tell what the Soul is as the Reader may see in pag. 147 in the Book And then thou tell'st a Story of the Manichees when this is nothing to the purpose to prove thy Charge but to fill up the Book and Time And the Apostle saith Beware of Dogs and Cantâ— 2 Beware of Foxes which thou bringest Then the Lambs must beware of such as thou and of the New-England-Persecutors R. W. And thou say'st You are to fly c. from these brutish Fancies brutish Barkings and Blasphemies against the infinitely Glorious and Inconceivable Excellencies of God c. Answ. Then they must Fly from such as thou who callest Christ's Light an Idol and a Fancy and therefore thou art not able to know neither Christ nor his Godhead R. W. And thou qoutest G. F.'s Fol. p. 67 Fran. Higginson saying That one should say He was Equal with God G. F. Answ. And in the Catechism of the Assembly of the Priests called Divines which they have put forth to the Nation in which they have laid down for young Children and old Men and all to Learn That the Holy Ghost and the Son are Equal in Power and Glory with the Father Yet if any one come to witness the Son of God to by Revealed in him or any come to witness the Holy Ghost in them as they did that gave forth the Scriptures or witness the Mind of Christ or witness that Equal with the Father that Equality which you speak of ye Priests destroy that which ye have put forth to the Nation and cry out Horrible Blasphemy c. R. W. Replieth and beginneth with Raiâ—ing and saith The Quakers say that they are Equal in Power and Glory with the Father the Son and Holy Spirit c. Answ. Now let the Reader but read G. F.'s Answer and see how horribly he abuseth it doth he mention WE but only the Holy Ghost and Christ and the Son of God to be Equal with the Father according as the Priests said and yet they are against this Son and the Holy Ghost to be in Man and Woman And the Reader may see how he hath changed a many words in G. F.'s Answer to instead of or and Equality for Equal and so hath changed the sence and crieth out Horrible Blasphemy as ye may see in G. F.'s Answer And besides he hath left out many of his words Anâ— how can they who are Witnesses of the Holy Ghost and Witnesses of the Son how can it be meant they be Equal when they are but the Witnesses of it The Reader may see if R. W. hath not doâ—e this on purpose to wrong G. F.'s words R. W. Bringeth G. F.'s Fol. p. 282. Daâ— Gawdry saying Surely they cannot be Perfect here or hereafter in Equality but only in Quality G. F.'s Answ. Christ maketh no distinction in his words but saith Be ye Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect and be ye Merciful as He is Merciful and as He is so are we in this World And that which is Perfect and Merciful as he is Perfect and Merciful is one in Quality with the same thing And R. W. Replieth and saith The Quakers challenge an Equality with God and crieth Horrible Blasphemy Answ. But let the Reader see if there be any such thing in G. F.'s words in his Answer but using Christ's words Be ye Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect and Be ye Merciful as He is Merciful and as He is so are we in this present World Now if these words be Blasphemy then R. W. may as well call John's and Christ's words Blasphemy But none of those Stories proveth his Assertion And there is not the word Equality in G. F.'s Answer which R. W. hath basely thrust in And R. W. Bringeth G. F.'s Fol. p. 248. To say that God is substantially c. Thou bringest Names and there is no such thing in that page as the Reader may see in G. F.'s Folio aforesaid And then thou sayst That the Quakers make themselves Father Son and Holy Ghost Answ. All people may see we have need of great patience to hear all thy Lies and false Charges for it 's thy own Confession Thou say'st that G. F. Answereth That God will dwell in Man and the Saints had Vnity with the Father and the Son and this is Scripture as in John 1. And how darest thou enviously say upon these words of G. F.'s They make themselves Father Son and Holy Ghost And thou sayst We make no Distinction between Christ Jesus himself and his Saints or Believers in him when often we declared Christ in us the hope of Glory and Christ in you except ye be Reprobates And how did the Apostles make the Saints the Father Son and Holy Ghost who preached this Doctrine R. W. might as well charge the Apostles as the Quakers R. W. And thou sayst We make no other work of Redemption and Justification but what is wrought in our Spirits Minds and Fancies called within them Answ. R. W. we say Christ is made unto us Redemption and Sanctification we make him not God has made him so to us For we know him so by his Light within and dost thou pervert our words And thou might'st as well have Charged the Apostle with such sayings as us who saith 1 Cor. 1 30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus who of God is made unto us Wisdom and Righteousness and Sanctification and Redemption This we witness Glory to God for ever And R. W. Bringeth Christopher Wade G. F.'s Fol. p. 246 saying God the Father never took upon him Humane Nature G. F.'s Answ. Contrary to Scripture who saith GOD was in CHRIST reconciling the World to himself And art Ignorant of the great Mystery GOD manifest in the FLESH and his Name is called the Everlasting Father As for the word HVMANE which is From the Ground it comes from thy own Knowledge which is Earthly and Christ took upon him the Seed of Abraham and David according to the Flesh and this is Scripture-Language R. W. Replieth and saith The Bottom of this is to deny the Lord Jesus to be a Man c. Answ. Let the Reader see and read G. F.'s words how he wrongeth him for G. F. speaketh no such thing And doth not Christ say to his Disciples when they asked him Shew us the Father and he Answered them and said Believest not thou that I am in the Father and the Father in me the words that I speak unto you I speak not of my self but the Father that dwelleth in me c. John 14. And R. W. Bringeth in Priest Fâ—rgison G. F.'s fol. p. 293. saying That Christ the Father and the Holy Ghost are not one but they are Three therefore Distinct. G. F.'s Answ. This is a denying of Christ's Doctrine who saith I and my Father are One
manifest to us by his Spirit and dwelleth in our Hearts by Faith Eph. 3 yea it is for his sake that the Birth of the Flesh Persecutes us and so we follow the Lamb his Leading AND so as for Apollo's Worshippers by whose Priests the Devil gave Oracles R. W. might have applied at home who owneth no Voice or Motion of Heavenly things in him and therefore how can he Worship God in Spirit and Truth AND this Hebrew Child the Lord Jesus Christ will stop thy Mouth as he did the Devil's whom Apollo Consulted withal as thou say'st for neither he nor thou have proved your Lying Charges And G. F.'s words stand against thee clear from thy Charges R. W. And why dost thou say We upbraid all other Ministers and people for being out of the Infallible Spirit Answ. Do not your Ministers and Peoplâ— and Professors Confess Ye have not the same Immediate Holy Ghost as the Prophets and Apostles had So then are not ye Fallible Pope and Papist-like and not true Ministers and Over-seers made by the Holy Ghost who are not led by the same Holy Ghost as the Apostles were and so degenerated from the Apostles Spirit in the Primitive Times And J. Stubs witnessing the Vnction and saying as in John c. Hereby we know that we dwell in him because he hath given us of his Spirit John 1. and W. Edmondson they did not proudly boast of the Spirit as thou scoffingly say'st but they spoke what they knew R. W. saith The Apostles were Eye-Witnesses of the Resurrection of Christ c. but who are you c. Answ. Yea but Who are you and who art thou that callest the Light of Christ a FANCY R. W. And thou say'st That G. F. said at Providence that he opened the Eyes of the Blind Answ. But thou didst not hear him say so for thou wast not there and yes he and we do turning them from Darkness to Light But thou that callest the Light a Fancy stoppest their Eyes As for the Pope's and Balaam's thou migth'st have put in Balak too Saying This he and his New-England Priests might have applied to themselves and not to the Quakers for they have not only railed and cursed but HANGED outstript Balak and Balaam AND as for the Quaker in London and She-Apostle that called some Devil in New-England That was not of God that SHED his Servants BLOOD nor that Envyes them AND the Quaker at London carrying Dung in to the Priest It was to shew him that it was Like his and your Profession who ventur'd his Life But you New-England-Professors could cast him into your Prison at Boston That is your Entertaining of Strangers at Boston R. W. Thou say'st It is the great point of horrible Pride both among Papists and Quakers exalting Dung and Dirt of their own Qualifications â—xcellencies Graces c. and so goest on railing and say'st That we count the Business of this Christ as the Pope said but a Fable Answ. This is false the Lord knoweth it It never enter'd in our Hearts And thou that art to prove thy false Charges with such horrid Lies add'st Lie unto Lie and therefore what are your Qualifications and Excellencies but Dung and Dirt which thou might'st have applied to thy self and not to us And let the Papists Answer for themselves And R. W. should go to Rome and tell them so but there he dare not shew his Head R. W. And thou say'st That We exceed the Pope in our Doctrine of Perfection Answ. Yes Roger and Thee too who say'st Thou must have a Combate to the Grave and be Fighting all thy Life time and givest the Apostle the Lie who said He had Fought a good Fight c. and then he was not Fighting R. W. Thou say'st G. F. makâ—s aâ— the Saints born of God Answ. What is a Saint R. W The Apostle tells thee He that believeth is born of God John 1 5. So thou manifestest that thou art not a Believer that opposest his Doctrine But these and many other things are Answered which he bringeth over and over to fill up this Book R. W. Thou say'st They can prove that the Three that bear Record in Heaven and the Three that bear Record in the Earth and the Scripture is within them they made it c. Answ. R. W. Thou art a Forger of these words which thou bringest to prove thy false Charge and to say That we are the Father Son and Spirit when we never spoke such words neither are such words in G. F.'s Book neither did we ever hear such words before as thou hast invented What! because Christ saith He and his Father are One And We have the Spirit of Christ and he dwelleth in us and We are the Temple of God Doth it follow that the Apostle had preached this Doctrine and said The Saints were GOD And because John saith There is Three that bear Record in Heaven c. and therefore doth it follow that They are the Three Well! but R. W. thou may'st do thy work and those Lies may be Food for the Persecutors in New-England but not for the Children of God And H. B. affirming that which he spoke to you was that God gave him c. But what was his Ridiculous Folly acted amongst you at Barbadoes and London since that thou hast not set it down And thou should'st have put down his Name at large for we do not know who it is thou speakest of But R. W. would have us to know that His Words were from God yea and his Sisters but his Words and Spirit are favored not to be from GOD. AND J. Stubs spoke Truth That it is our practice to pay Tribute to Caesar and Honor to whom Honor c. But R. W. saith It was against our Principle and Practice to shew Respect to any Person Answ. That is false and thou knowest much Respect was shewed unto thee and Patience yet thy Peevish Spirit was offended because we called thee Old Man AND there are no such Words in G. F.'s Writings that say That we are the Higher Power the Dignities the Most-High GOD but that every Soul must be Subject to the Higher Power O. R. W how darest thou speak those Forged Lies without Shame Blushing and Trembling if thou haâ—'â—â— any Fear of God in thy Heart Do the Magistrates in Rode-Island profess any such thing which have the Government or the Governours And where did we desire Tribute of R. W. or the New-England-Professors or the whole Creation We charge thee and them to Answer it mention the Person and Time And we are the same as ever we were AS for Juggling and Dissembling thou may'st keep at home and it would be well if thou and the New-England-Priests and Professors could find a Day of Repentance For have not the New-England-Priests and thou taken the Authority of God to Judge and Rule over Mens Consciences which is the Seat of GOD R. W. And thou scoffingly say'st That we
not suffered as for Childrens Baubels Fantastical Traditions of Men Inventions and Dreams nor Earthly Dignities c. but for the Pure Life of Truth and the Name of JESUS the Lord knoweth it by such as got the Form of Godliness and the Sheeps-Clothing and persecuted the true Sheep that heard Christ's Voice And we do not Endevour to Trample as ye and the Pope do the Bodies of Saints under Feet And John in Revel he speaketh of his Sufferings and Tribulations which we hâ—ve a Fellow-Feeling of which our Persecutors that cannot own the Light of Christ IESVS have not who scoff at us and so he would have done at the Apostle John if he had been in his Days And so as for Fierce Heady Proud Conceit R. W. might have kept at home R. W. And thou say'st No question some of them have a Notion of Wrath yet to come and therefore rather then to endure Fire of Hell they will give up their Lives to the Flames and others of them Fast 40. Days c. Answ. R. W. thou hast manifest thy persecuting Birth and Ignorance both of us and the holy Men of God for it 's not in Wrath we suffer but in Love to God and his Son And ye Foul and Adulterous spirits would make Rapes of his Virgins and before they will loose their Dignity and their Testimony of IESVS they will DIE in Love to their Saviour that died for themâ— And why dost thou scoff at Fasting many of us have Fasted 30. or 40. Days together And thou often tellest of a John Fox but I must tell thee and the New-England-Men ye have no Lot nor Part in that neither who are Persecutors in the Spirit of them that persecuted them And did not the Martyrs turn their Sufferings unto the Glory of God and so have we though Ungodly Men like Wolves have hunted us like Innocent Lambs and Christ's Chickens And when ye have done we have said The Lord forgive you if it be his Will And have not ye been Vnthankful for your Peace and Liberties and forgotten the time when ye were called to an Account And now ye are at Ease your selves persecuting others with Pen Tongue and Hand And it 's known the Quakers have Confess'd their Sins to him that is able to forgive and pardon them and hath died for them therefore they do not come to the New-England-priests and R. W. and make them Popes to Confess their Sins to them who are Miserable Comforters and will tell them They must have a Warfare with their Sins while they Live till they go to the Grave R. W. And thou say'st Some of them say they can sin no more against God then God can sin against them Answ. It 's like this is some of the Ranters had it been the Quakers R. W. would have told their Names in print But however R. W. might have put their Names in print and where they lived then we might have known the truth of his Assertion and where they had been for we deny all such Blasphemy and Blasphemers But doth not R. W. say often That Repentance is a turning the Soul to God as God from all Sin in his 6. false Charge But is not your Confessing of Sin like Pharaoh's and Judas's For have not ye been Confessing these 20. or 30. or 40. years but when will ye Forsake Pharaoh was such a Confessor as ye are and yet persecuted so your Confession is Just like Pharaoh's But hath R. W. and the New England-Priests and Professors shewed any Meek or Patient Spirit or Thankfulness either But we do not say but they said over these Words and so R. W. saith as the Papist Parrot said over the Pater Noster but ye have Persecuted the Meek Patient Thankful Sufferers of Christ Jesus And ye like a Frozen Hard-hearted People have not been Sensiâ—le of his People nor God's Mercies to you And as for a People thou speakest of professing Christianity so Fierce so Heady High-minded Hardned Censuring Reviling Cursing Damning Savage Barbarous c. R. W. might very well have kept this at Home And G. F. and G. B. do not Spit out Fire and Brimstone against New-England-Persecutors but tell you what will be your Portion and our Desires are that you might Repent R. W. And thou say'st Some of their Predictions have and may come to pass as do also of Conjurers and Witches Answ. Nay R. W. ye shall find it the True Spirit and Power of God and the New-England People and not like Saul's Cause that went to the Witch But R. W. we do very well remember how the New-England-Professors Searched Two Women of the Servants of God under pretence of being Witches to the Shame of all Modesty and Christianity But the Proverb concerning the Cow with Short Horns we have found the New-England-Priests and Professors Horns Long enough but thine is Short enough because thou livest under a Government which doth not Persecute for Religion But it hath pleased God to put a Hook in your Jaws that ye take no more the Lives of the Saints of God And R. W. Thou say'st VVhen the Devil is a Fisher longing for troubled and bloody VVaters yet God hath graciously proved so many of the bloody Prophecies of thâ—se VVaspish Prophets and Prophetesses c. Answ. R. W. might have applied this at home and his New-England-Priests and his Sister with him as in p. 114. her Prophecy there AND what hath R. W. and New-England-Priests and Professors been Fishing in and whose Fishers are they let their BLOODY hands and GALLOVSES speak to be Persecutors of the Lambs of Christ Jesus and Kickers against the Pricks Saul-like they prickt their own Heels R. W.'s Thirteenth false Charge These many Books and VVritings are extreamly poor lame and naked swell'd up only with High Titles words of Boasting Vapour I could never pick out any Wheat of solid rational heavenly Truth out of their Heap's of Chaff and Dreams and Fancies of New Christs New Spirits c. Answ. No more then the Chief Priests could pick out of Christ's and the Apostles Doctrine who looked upon him as a Babbler and pestilent Fellow and a Setter-forth of New Gods And we do believe that those Persecutors never read our Books for any Good with any good mind but that which is Chaffy It was not like that the Persecutors with tongue pen and hand should read the Persecuteds Books for any Good R. W. And W. E. said The Word was as a Fire and a Hammer c. and thou say'st The Word that we meant was but a Painted Fire and Hammer and never broke nor burned up Sin Answ. It 's like R. W. never Felt nor Heard the Word of God yet at least Received it and it 's not like when he is pleading so much for his Hat and Knee and his Honor. But the Saying of Christ is come upon thee I know you that ye have not the Love of God in you and ye have not
Attentions unto the Gospel and so receive a Pardon Therefore as the Apostle saith No Man knoweth the things of God but by the Spirit of God nor the Son nor the Father but by Revelation Christ saith But do any receive that Pardon but who receive the Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the world by which they see their Sins and him that pardoneth them Seeing the Pharisees and the Jews this Day who have the Scriptures do not receive this Pardon seeing the Jews have the Scriptures now or may have them And the Pharisees in the Days of Christ would not receive this Pardon or Justification who did not believe in the Light of Christ as he taught as ye may see it seeing Christ said to the Jews If ye continue in my words c. and Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you Free And so they are so now And those professing Jews could say to Christ's Face They were of Abraham because they had the Scriptures but Christ told them They were of their Father the Devil and his Lust they would do As R. VV. and his New-England-Priests say They are Christians but whose Works have they done and still do But If the Son therefore shall make you Free ye shall be Free Indeed And if all the Righteousness of the Best Men as R. VV. saith to wit good Thoughts good Words good Actions Alms Prayers Preachings Sufferings be but as Womens Menstruous and Filthy Clouts then why doth Christ say Let your Light so shine before Men that they may see your good Works and glorify your Father which is in Heaven And doth not the Apostle say He hath Created us unto Good Works And what are the Works of the Saints in the New Covenant so bad as the Transgressors were in the Old Covenant seeing thou hast made no Distinction but Jumbled all together But these are thine and the New-England Persecutors Best-Mens Works R. VV. bringeth Enoch Howet's Saying Fol G. F. p. 16. It is an Expression of a dark deluded Mind to say that God is not Distinguished from his Saints And G. F. Answ But God and Christ is in the Saints and walketh in them and he is a Reprobate and out of the Apostle's Doctrine that denieth it And R. VV. saith I Reply to this Canting Gypsie Answ. And that is all that he saith here who cannot endure to hear of God and Christ dwelling in his people But may not he as well call the Apostle Canting Gypsie who preached this Doctrine as 2 Cor. 13 and 1 Cor. 6. and 2 Cor 6. And R. VV. bringeth in Ralph Farmer p 74. That God the Creator is distinct from all Creatures That Christ being God only in One Person remaineth distinct from all Men and Angels Let the Reader read G. F.'s Fol. p. 74. and there is no such thing in that page And therefore he hath not done as becometh an Orator as he calleth himself to the King Nevertheless R. VV. hath given an Answer to these words which are not found in the page in G. F.'s Book that he quoteth and saith Is there no Distinction between Infinite and Finite Answ. We never said that the Finite was the Infinite but this doth not prove that God and Christ is Distinct from his people and doth not dwell in them And R. VV. saith G. F. saith his Opposite is a Reprobate R. VV. asketh Why And he saith The only Reason G. F. gives is because he licks not up the filthy and Hellish Poison of Fox's Childish and Hellish Blasphemy against the Eternal Godhead and crieth poor Dust and Ashes Answ. And let the Reader see It is because G. F. saith God and Christ will dwell in his Saints and walk in them according to the Apostle's Doctrine Aad this Doctrine of Christ and the Apostle he calleth Hellish Poison Childish and Hellish Blasphemy against the Eternal Godhead Now let the Gentle Reader see how this Man raileth and doteth against the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles with a Venom under his Tongue And again R. VV. bringeth Joseph Kellet G. F. Fol. 22. saying They be all alienâ—ted from God and Enemies untiâ— Faith but these are R. VV.'s words instead of until this should be Non-sense in G. F. but with R. VV. who calleth himself the King's Orator it must be Good Sense who found fault with G. F. because there was an â— to much though this might be the Printers G. F. Answ. So they have denied their School-master which is until Faith which will keep them out of the Alienation which is the Law as Paul speaketh of And R. W. replieth and falleth a-railing with many Filthy Words Answ. Which are not worth mentioning here And Paul Rom. 8. Is not this as Solomon saith The Legs of the Lame are not Equal to Contradict thy self Gal. 3. And then thou goest on in a kind of Preaching but nothing to the purpose who cavil'st against the Apostle's words and manifestest another Spirit and canst not disprove them And where-as thou alledgest That G. F. his words are uncertain as Whether the Alienation is the Law c. If thou werest not willfully Prejudicate and Blind thou might'st understand that the last word Which is Relative not to the Word Alienation but School-master for Paul saith The Law was the School-master unto Christ and who were under this School-master were not in the Alienation because they had a Belief in him to come although not as when he was come R. W. Thou bringest G. F. Fol. p. 27. Baxter's Sayings To say that any is Perfect and without sin is the Devil 's Speaking in Man G. F. Answers Contrary to the Language of the Apostles and Christ who bid them Be Pefect And the Apostle spake Wisdom amoâ—g them that were Perfect and said They were made free from Sin And it is the Devil 's Speaking in Man that speaketh for Sin while Men are upon the Earth for the Devil holdeth him up that maketh Men not Perfect which Truth maketh Men Free again from the Devil and speaketh in Man and saith Be Perfect Here R. W. saith that Be Perfect and G. F. saith that Are Perfect but is that Be Perfect according to the Grammar seeing thou findest so much Fault with G. F And R. W. saith The Perfection signifieth no more then Sincerity and Uprightness Answ. Then is R. W. or any of his New-England-Priests and Professors Perfect in Sincerity and Vprightness and compleat Fulness in its Kind What Fulness is this R. W. And thou say'st Sometimes it 's Fortified Strong and Armed and sometimes it s the Fulness of the Godhead to whose Incomprehensible Ocean not one drop can be given nor one drop can be taken from him Answ. And doth not the Apostle say Of his Fulness we have received Grace for Grace And Grace and Truth cometh by Jesus Christ and is not this in the Hearts of God's people And Christ saith Be ye Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect And
all things and yet this sense which literally is so proud and Blasphemous c. Answ. Roger Why dost thou abuse the Quakers For where doth G F or any of the Quakers write and say They know all things as God or that they are Omniscient or Omnipotent And why dost thou find fault with G F who brings the Apostles words to the Saints But ye have an Vnction from the Holy One and ye know all things c. and Let that therefore abide in you which you have heard from the beginning and If that which ye have heard from the Beginning shall remain in you ye also shall continue in the Son and in the Father And These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you but the Anointing which you have received of him abideth in you and ye need not that any man teach you but as the same Anointing teacheth you of all things and is Truth and is no Lye and even as it hath taught you ye shall abide in him c. Here John explains his own words better than R. W. can do and such as continue in the Son of God they continue in the Father and know the Antichrists and the Seducers to shun them 1 John 2. And dost thou not wickedly bring That the Devil pretends that he knoweth all things and offers to reveal so much to his Conjurers and dost not thou bring this in Opposition to John's words who exhorted the Saints to the Anointing within them which will teach them to know all things and had'st thou been in John's days thou would'st have said as much in Opposition to him as thou hast done to G. F. who bringeth but John's words And John saith That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you that ye also might have fellowship with us and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ and must not this Fellowship be witnessed by the true Believers in Christ Jesus But it 's like thou art more acquainted with the Devils pretences and what he reveals to his Conjurers then with that which the Apostle John did declare which he had seen and heard and therefore I believe if R W. declared nothing but what he hath seen and heard from the beginning as John did he would have little to say 1 John 1. And as for Paul's saying I can do all things as R. W. brings but R. W. has left out Christ for the Apostle saith I can do all things through Christ who hath strengthened me and so can all that walk in his Spirit for without Christ they cannot do any thing that is good And Christ saith I am the Vine and ye are the Branches and he that abideth in me and I in him the same bringeth forth much fruit for without me ye can do nothing John 15 5. And thou say'st to take the Apostles words he can do all things c. and the Saints know all things according to John's doctrine and say'st Yet this sense which literally is so Proud and Blasphemous c. Here thou hast judged the Apostles to be Proud and Blasphemous which directed the Saints to the Unction within from the Holy One which taught them all things And the Apostle could do all things through Christ that strengthened him R. W. And thou say'st Doth not the Spirit of God Prov. 28. open this to us saying Evil men understand not Judgment but they that seek the Lord understand all things ver 5. that is God Answers their Prayers and enables them to do all that he calls them to when the proud and scornful are rejected Answ. It 's well thou wilt confess so much though thou hast added to Salomon's words But I question much whether ever thou heard God or Christ's Voice immediate from Heaven by his Spiâ—it For Salomon's words are true as he speaks and gives a better sense then thou canst R. W. Thou say'st Therefore I believe it is that the most Holy most Just and Wise Lord leaves these poor proud scornful souls to seek Wisdom and not to find it to be ignorant knowing nothing as God's Spirit speaks and to discover their ignorance in so many fundamentals of Christianity and in so many practices immodest irrational more then Savage as I have proved against them Answ. No such proofe hast thou proved And here thou fall'st a railing in thy false judgment but as Christ saith With what judgment ye judge ye shall be judged Thou think'st thou art plucking a Mote out of our eyes but sees not the Beam in thy own and truly Roger thou hast hit thy own Condition and mist us As for proud scornful and savage c. and immodest practices these are but thy railing Expressions a wave of the Sea which thou had better have kept at home and applyed to thy own Spirit for we can praise God through Jesus Christ for what he hath revealed unto us And I strange that thou darest take the most-Holy Just Lord in thy mouth and utter such foul Languages against his People And who those many are that practise Immodesty which thou tell'st the World of thou hast neither mentioned their Names nor their Immodest practices therefore it is a slander And wherein are we Ignorant of the fundamentals of Christianity seeing we believe all that is written in the Scriptures concerning God and Christ R. W. And thou say'st The Quakers confest their Light to be Conscience and J. Bunion denyes plainly that Conscience can justifie And R. W. replyes and saith That Conscience looks back of a mans mind or spirit upon it self in point of justification or pardon of sin and Conscience looks upon a cursed rotten nature And J. Bunion calls the Light Conscience A poor Dunghill-Creature that will convince of sin as in G. F's Folio pag. 10. Oh how doth R. W. J. Bunion contradict each other the one says It will not justifie the other says In point of Justification or pardon of sin And thou says that Adam and Eve's Conscienceâ— condemned them they confest the Fact and thou say'st That poor Conscience which every man Jew or Gentile Civilized or Pagan comes into the world with c. and the first man and woman their Consciences condemned them c. and thou further say'st Could this their Condemning Conscience especially with mincing of sin as all natural mens Consciences do I say could tâ—is Conscience or Confession pardon their Sin renew their Hearts and be their Justification or clearing and Salvation Answ. Hast not thou Answered thy self in the Second page Do'st not thou say that Conscience in point of justification looks upon a mans mind and spirit c. in point of Justification or pardon of sin and yet thou call'st it a Natural Conscience and Adam and Eve and every man has it thou say'st that Abimelecks Conscience justified him from the Fact of Abraham 's Wife and Joseph's Conscience justified him c And thou wrong'st the Quakers in saying that
they confess their Light to be Conscience In this thou perverts their words and thou would'st have it so for G. F's words are The Light which you call Conscience which is the Light of Christ as you may see all along in his Book And thou calls Conscience Natural and J. B. calls the Light wherewith Christ enlightens every man that comes into the world Conscience and a poor Dunghill-Creature which never doth G. F. nor the Quakers call it Conscience nor Natural but as you call it And where did ever any of the Apostles call the Conscience â— poor Dunghill-Creature or that was Natural that Condemned Adam and Eve and is the Light which Christ said Believe in and that the Apostle turn'd people to from darkness a poor Dunghill-Creature and a Natural Conscience is not this your ignorance of Christs and the Apostles Doctrine And if Conscience stands in point of Justification or pardon of sin hast not thou here set it up in the room of Christ and his Blood for we say it is Christ that justifies and pardons sin and his Blood that sprinkles the Consciences from the dead works to serve the Living God And G. F's words will stand which the Apostle brings Rom. 2. and that which will accuse them or excuse them in the day when God shall judge the secrets of all men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel that was that which may be known of God which was manifest in them which God had shewed unto them So this was not a Natural Dunghill-Conscience but it was something of the Spirit of God in them that brought them to do the Law of God For the Apostle saith He is not a Jew that is one outward but he is a Jew that is one inward and sets up Circumcision in the Spirit and the Heart above that in the Letter Rom. 1 19. cap. 2. throughout And the Apostle saith In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God the same was in the Beginning with God all things were made by Him and without Him was not any thing made that was made And in Him was Life and the Life was the Light of Men and the Light shin'd in Darkness and Darkness comprehended it not And John said He was not that Light but he came for a Witness to bear Witness of that Light and that was the true Light which lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us c. Now you bear witness against this Light and some of you calls it a Natural Conscience and some calls it a Dunghill-Creature and some a Created Light and R. W. calleth it an Idol and a mad frantick Light And John the Divine saith In him was Life to wit the Word by which all things were made and Created and this Life is the Light of Men and he bore witness to it that all Men through him might believe And Christ saith Believe in the Light that you may become Children of the Light John 1 12 36. and we must tell you that this Light is the Condemnation of them that hate it and whose Consciences are â—eared and doth evil And so the Light of Christ Jesus is a further thing then Conscience for it lets a Man see his Sin and his Saviour Christ Jesus that saves him from Sin and they that believe in the Light as Christ commands are grafted in Christ and are past from death to life and have the Witness in themselves as 1 John and Rom. 11. And after Adam was condemned for Sin and the Jews were condemned by the Law of God for their Transgression yet Christ was promised to Adam that the Seed of the Woman should bruise the Serpents head that led them into Sin which came according to the promise of God and the Prophesies of the Prophets and as the Apostle saith When the fulness of time was come God sent forth his Son made of a Woman made under the Law to Redeem them that were under the Law c. And so there is no Salvation by any other name but by the Name of Jesus who suffered for our sins and rose again for our justification Rom. 4 25. Rom. 5. And we are justified not by the works of the Law but by the Faith of Christ Jesus which Faith he is the Author of Gal. 2. and we are justified by the Grace which comes by Jesus Tit. 3 7. and we are justified by the Blood of Christ Rom. 5 9. And so Christ is our Justification Sanctification and Redemption Glory to his Name for ever R. W. says That after Abimelech 's and Joseph 's Conscience was justified c. and further he saith Was this the pardon of Abimelech 's Sin his Justification after the canting Language of this poor Fox and all the Foxians that I have seen and I have read all that I could come at Oh! how little do these poor Beasts seek what infinite Justice infinite Punishment infinite Payment is what Conscience truly pacified is upon true pardon of Sin and true peace of Conscience sprinkled with the Blood of that only Lamb of God Christ Jesus Answ. God said unto Abimelech that he should restore unto Abraham his Wife and Abraham should pray for him and he should live and he did restore Abraham his Wife and Abraham did pray for him and God did heal Abimelech and his Family as in Gen. 20. And thou art made to confess that his Conscience justified him from the Fact and this was before Christ was come in the Flesh and Crucified and shed his Blood for the Sins of the world which sprinkles the Consciences and the hearts from dead works to serve the Living God and whose Garments are made white with the Blood of the Lamb c. And we having an High-priest over the House of God Christ Jesus let us draw near with a true heart the Apostle saith having our hearts sprinkled from an evil Conscience and our bodyes washed with pure water Heb 10 20 21 22. and Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through Sanctification through the Spirit unto Obedience and sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus Christ. And we are come to Jesus the Mediator of the New Covenant and to the Blood of Sprinkling Glory to his Name for ever and hearken to him who speaks from Heaven who is our Shepheard But what is G. F's or the Quakers canting Language which thou Scoffingly calls Poor Beasts thou hast not instanc'd it But thou hast read our Books with an evil eye by which thy body is full of darkness or else thou might see how often we mention in our Books that Christ hath bought us with a price which is his Blood and how that all dyed in Adam and how that Christ dyed for all that they that live might live to Him and that all might believe in Him who dyed for them and if they do not they are Condemned with the Light which they
takes away the stony heart and the Sin And as Daniel saith He shall make an end of Sin and finish transgression and bring in Everlasting Righteousness and make reconciliation for Iniquity â— Dan. 9. R W. And then thou say'st And yet we poor men of Jabesh Gilead must leave the Testimony as Gilead imports and suffer Nahash the Serpent to put out our Eyes Answ. This is thy own Condition if thou could'st see it and truly R W. thou art blind enough without putting out of thy eyes R W. And further thou say'st and must believe that every man hath the New Covenant Christ Jesus and the Kingdom of God with the Pharisees in every mans heart and yet he never knowes of it Answ. Nay thou do'st not believe this Neither do the Quakers say that every man hath Christ Jesus the New Covenant for them that hate the Light of Christ hate him the New Covenant and do not believe that it is he that doth enlighten them and hath dyed for their sins without the gates of Jerusalem And Christ saith to such If ye do not believe that I am he ye shall dye in your sins and that is a sad dying for such are they that hate his Light c. And Christ said to the Pharisees Luk. 17. when the Pharisees demanded of Christ when the Kingdom of God should come he answered them and said The Kingdom of God cometh not with Observations neither shall they say Loe here or Loe there for behold the Kingdom of God is within you Now says R W the Pharisees c. never know of it and therefore Christ has taught them where to know it But we do not read that the Pharisees made such slighting words against Christs doctrine as R W. doth but we must believe Christs words before his And we do charge R W. and his N. England Priests to make it good by Scripture A New Covenant consisting of sin R W. And thou brings J. Bunion who saith It is a Counterfeiting of the new birth for men to follow the Light within wherewith men comeing into the world are enlightned withal And then R W. goes on and sayes There is two Opinions of the Light and saith it is not enlightning Every man but let him look in his Latine how it sayes there And then he saith There is two Opinions how Christ lighteth every man First as God in the Creation Secondly as God Man and Mediator And again thou say'st that it must be read in this sense that Christ Jesus the True Light coming into the world lighteth every man that is in the world freely that will receive him even as many whomsoever look up to him the stung Israelites to the brazen Serpent c. And that the meere phrase imports no more then a Light held forth to all the world as the Sun in the Heavens and Christs followers are called by Christ the Light of the World Answ. Why dost thou abuse the Scriptures and would'st â—o about to darken them with thy Meanings and Opiâ—â—ons and thy dark Sense For though thou take this Scripture as it speaks The followers of Christ are the Light of the world yet thou would not take Johns words chap. 1. as he speaks them For thou say'st he lighteth every man c that will receive him even as many whosoever took up to him which is true in a sense These are thy words and not Johns For John saith That was the true Light which Lighteth every man that cometh into the world and the Light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not and they that hate the Light and love darkness more then Light and will not come to the Light because it will reprove them these are enlightned with the same Light as they that loves it John 3. But dost thou see thy own Contradiction for thou say'st Christ Enlightens every man as God-man and Mediator c. and then thou say'st That he enlightens every man that will receive him even as many as look up to him and therefore by thy words they that do not receive Christ and look not up to him are not enlightned by Christ. So in this thou contradicts thy self and speaks contrary to the Apostles doctrine who saith That was the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world that â—â—in'd in darkness and darkness comprehended it not And therefore in thy darkness thou canst not comprehend the Light so for shame give over abusing the Scriptures And how is the World Condemned with the Light if it be not enlightned The Sun is a Light or a publick Minister to all men except they be blind they may see it but Christ enlightens every man and is the Covenant of the Light which God hath given to be Salvation to the ends of the Earth But they that love the darkness rather then Light it is their Condemnation as before and them that receive Christ he giveth power to become the Sons of God And thou say'st The â—ord Every man c. is used not Absolutely but Comparatively c. so taken in many places and bringst 1 Col. 28 which the Apostle speaks of We warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every one perfect in Christ Jesus and say'st which cannot Literally be true And yet thou takest That the followers of Christ are the Light of the world to be literally true and not the other and this is thy Ignorance of the Scriptures and the power of God For the Apostle saith We warning and teaching every man c. For did not Christ bid his Disciples Go and Preach the Gospel in all Nations unto every Creature Matth. 28 9. Mark 16 15 and wilt thou say that this is not Literally true thou that lyes at home and opposes Christ and the Apostles doctrine who warned every man and taught every man that they might present every man perfect in Christ Jâ—sus And this they laboured and strove and travelled for that were imperfect in Old Adam to present them perfect in Christ Jesus and the Apostles words are true and plain to the understanding of them that hath the Spirit that gave them forth but not to thee And so John's words are true Joh. 1. Christ enlightneth every man c. R W. And thou say'st Christ as a Mediator enlightens none but the Elect and art finding fault with the word All and say'st Fox runs c. willingly ignorant about the word All And thou say'st That Christ as a Mediator of the New Covenant enlightens none but whom the Father gives him unto whom he gives repentance and opens the door of Faith and gives them to believe c Answ. Here still thou art in opposition to the Apostles doctrine and Contradicts thy self For dost not thou say a little before How that Christ enlightens every man as God in the Creation 2dly as God man and Mediator and now thou say'st Christ the Saviour enlightens none but whom the Father
forth who called them the Holy Scriptures of Truth And thou needest not tell us What the Pope and the Jews and the Turk have and the Jews had the Scriptures of Moses and the Prophets but would not receive Christ the Word R. W. And thou tellest of a written Pardon sealed with a broad Seal of a King or State and say'st What a fancy is it for a Condemned wretch first to hearken to a Pardon within to a King within a Writing within a Seal within and to slight the true Pardon in the King's way to be Conveyed from without to the Mind and Spirit within and to lose his pardon and deliverance as thousands of poor cheated souls must do Answ. The King 's written Pardon to Condemned men setteth them free but the Written in Scripture doth noâ— set men free nor Pardoneth mens Sins and Trespasses but it is Christ that dyed for their sins and shed his Blood for them and this the Scriptures testifie of that he hath purchased them with his Blood and he is the Offering for Sin And if the written Scripture be the Pardon of Sin of the Condemned World as the King 's written Pardon is for Condemned persons then all that have the Scripture have their Pardon by thy meaning but pag. 64. thou say'st The Scriptures avail nothing without the Spirit of God set it home upon us so here thou contradicts thy self And Christ saith Search the Scriptures for they testifie of me and in them you think to have Eternal Life but you will not come to me that you might have Life So the Life is in Christ and he that hath Christ hath Life and they that have not him have not Life and they that have not the Spirit of Christ are none of his though they may have the Scriptures And they who had their Garments made white it was by the Blood of the Lamb and not by written Pardons and they that are the true Believers in Christ the Light and are in the New Covenant as Heb. 8. he blotteth out their Sins and Trespasses in whom God writeth his Law in their hearts And 1 Cor. 15 3. Christ dyed for our Sins according to the Scripture so it is not a written Pardon though the Scriptures declare this And Christ dyed for the Vngodly Rom. 5 6. Christ dyed for us 1 Thes. 5 10 So he it is that Pardoneth And the Apostle said This is a faithful saying and worthy of all Acceptation that Christ Jesus came into the world to save Sinners of whom I am chief 1 Tim. 1 15. so it is God and Christ that doth Pardon and Forgive Sin Col. 2 13 and Luk. 5 20 and they that witness this their Sins are forgiven them For the true Believers are Sealed with the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God is within and hear the Voyce of Christ their Shepherd Thy sins are forgiven thee and so have their Testimony of pardon within and so come to be built upon Christ the Rock and Foundation So it is one thing to have the Writings and another thing to have the Seal of the Spirit of Christ as they had that gave forth the Scriptures and they that are Sealed with it have the comfort of God and Christ and the comfort of the Scriptures c. R. W. And thou bring'st R. H. which saith It is against the Light of Nature for Women to preach c. And G. F. Answers R. H. and saith Contrary to the Apostle's Doctrine the mind of God and the Prophets who said God would pour out of his Spirit upon All Flesh and his Sons and Daughters should prophesie So that he is a Limiter of the Holy One a Quencher of the Spirit in Darkness and this is above the Light of Nature And R. W. Replyeth and saith What is the Light of Nature but that Light in which every man cometh into the world with as the Quakers speak which differeth from the Light of Beasts c. Answ. What is this to G. F's Answer for G. F. and the People of God in Scorn called Quakers which thou in Scorn callest Foxians do not say That the true Light which is the Life in the Word which enlightneth every man that cometh into the world which is a Light to be revealed to the Gentiles as Simeon speaketh is a Natural Light or Light of Nature For this is the Super-Natural and Light from Heaven which John speaketh of in the Scripture and as God said I will give him for a Covenant and a Light to the Gentiles and he shall be my Salvation to the ends of the Earth and where doth John or the Apostles call the true Light which is Life in the Word which Lighteth every man that cometh into the world a Natural Light or Light of Nature And then thou goest on and tellest a great Tale of the Natural Light in man which is nothing to the purpose to G. F's Answer R. W. And then thou say'st It 's true that in Religious and Christian matters there is no respect of persons with God as of man before the woman otherwise then to Order Natural and Civil And thou say'st It 's true the Wisdom of God preferreth some Women before thousands of men c. as Lady Jane and Q. Elizabeth c. And thou say'st Christ appearing to Mary Magdalen and other Women and sending them to carry the first Tydings of his Resurrection to his Apostles c. and Mirjam and Huldah c. Prophecying before Christ's coming and at his coming according to Joels Prophecy his Spirit on his Daughters as well as his Sons c. yet this favour of God towards Women destroyeth not the Order which the God of Order or Nature hath set in those Bounds Limits and Distinctions between Male and Female c. Though the Holy Scripture were silent yet Reason and Experience tells us that the Woman is the weaker Vessel that she is more fitted to keep and order her House c. And the Lord hath given a Covering of longer hair to Womâ—n as a sign of covering Modesty and Bastfulness Silence and Retiredness and therefore not so fitted for Manly Actions and Employments Answ. Here doth not R. W. contradict himself Though the Apostle doth say That the Woman is the weaker Vessel and it is so known yet is not Christ and his Spirit as strong in the Female as he is in the Male For thou say'st There is no respect of persons with God as the Man before the Woman and God preferreth some Women before thousands of Men as Lady Jane and Q. Elizabeth and Deborah and yet thou say'st Women are not so fitted for Manly Actions and Employments These were Manly Actions and Godly of Q. Elizabeth and Deborah c. And then thou sayâ—st She being the weaker Vessel she is more fit to keep and order her House and Children c in Silence and Retiredness c. but in this thou confoundest thy self for these were Fitted with
Manly Actions and Mary Magdalen and other Women that first declared the Tydings of the Resurrection of Christ to his Apostles those were Godly Actions Neither was Mirjam and Huldah forbidden in the time of the Prophets nor Philip's four Daughters in the time of the Gospel neither did any say to them as R. H. doth It was against the Light of Nature for Women to Preach And the Spirit of God by which these Famous Women were led then and now doth keep Gods Order and Distinction in the Sex of Male and Female and they know a time to speak and a time to be silent and it teacheth them Modesty and to know the Fruits of the good Spirit which leadeth them to Prophecy R. W. And thou say'st Therefore because of Joels Prophecy or beâ—cause we must not limit or quench the Spirit as G. F. saith there is no ground in Gods ordinary course of Nature to permit Women to pretend to be Apostles and Messengers to the Nations or Preachers and Teachers in the publick Assemblies Answ. And Reader see if he hath not abused G. F's words who bringeth the Apostle's and the Holy Mens Doctrine I say All those that Quench the Spirit and hate the Light of Christ and have the Form of Godliness and deny the power they are to be turned away from they are not Fit to preach neither in Nations nor in publick Assemblies but those that are led by the Spirit of God Male or Female are not to be Limited and Quenched And were not Mirjam and Huldah Prophets in the Assembly and to whom did Philip's four Daughters Prophesie and did not Mary Magdalen Preach Christs Resurrection to the Assembly of the Apostles And the Apostle saith Every Woman that Prayeth and Prophesieth with her head Covered c where did these Women Prophesie and Pray if not in the Assemblies of the Corinthians 1 Cor. 11. And yet R. W. in his 140. page justifieth a Baptist-Woman she being his Brother's Wife her Loud speaking or Preaching in the Assembly at Newport at the End of the Dispute she saying R. W's words shall judge you at the Last day So he Contradicts himself R. W. And thou say'st Because we find no such Commission to wit Women-Messengers and Speakers in Assemblies given by Christ Jesus or any such practice amongst the first Believers Answ. What! No such Commission given by Christ had not Mary Magdalen and other women Commission and such as Prophesied as 1 Cor. 11 and Phebe a Servant to the Church and Priscilla do'st not thou Contradict thy self here again And thou sayd'st before A Woman was not so fit for Manly Actions and yet thou bringest Lady Jane Q. Elizabeth whose Actions were Manly Godly and do'st thou not Contradict thy self here again for thou do'st not make a Distinction of Women here in this Head R. W. Thou say'st The Lord hath set a preventer c. with the Reasons to the Corinthians and to Timothy to Answer those Scriptures with a flam viz. That Eve the Transgressor and Women that be Tatlers are forbidden and the Woman Jezabel c. And why may not Women be Lord Mayors and Bayliffs and Sheriffs c. and Generals and Commanders c. Answ. What is this to the purpose because Eve the Transgressor and Tatling women and Jezabel are forbidden to Teach doth the Apostle forbid Sons and Daughters to Prophecy doth not the Apostle Preach to the Jews of Sons and Daughters Prophesying which was the practice among the true Believers though not among you And do'st not thou say There is no Respect of persons with God as of man before a woman and yet thou say'st The Lord hath set a Preventer to prevent the Women of such unnatural boldness and Eve in Transgression and Tatling Women and Jezabel that disobey the Lord such are Forbidden for are they like to exercise the Office of the Spirit of Prophecie And Women Mayors and Bayliffs and Sheriffs as thou Scoffingly bring'st what is this to Sons and Daughters Prophesying for thou darest not say but that Deborah and Q. Elizabeth were Commanders and Rulers which the Lord called them to which is not very common to Women And R. W. why had thy Sister such Vnnatural boldness to Preach so loud and pass such a Sentence without thy Reproof at the end of the Dispute at Newport which Vnnatural Boldness thou hast justified and put her in Print R. W. And thou say'st That Reason that the Spirit giveth to the Corinthians for the Vailing of Women in publick Assemblies maketh much more for their Vailing and Silence in matter of Prophesying and Praying c. Answ. The Apostle saith no such thing 1 Cor. 11. that women should be silent either in Praying or Prophesying but he sheweth them how that they were to Pray and Prophesie Covered and therefore thou wrongest the Apostle and the Scripture in saying It maketh much more for their Vailing and Silence in matters of Prophecy and Preaching and Praying For the Apostle there maketh a distinction of men and women exercising their gifts and the Man praying Vncovered and the woman praying Covered he giveth the Reason and explaineth it himself to him that hath an Ear. R. W. And thou tellest the world a Story of Two Maries that came from London and bid thee Repent and Hearken to the Light within c. And thou askest them the ground of their Travel and Employment and they alledged Joels Prophecy c. And thou say'st These Women animated the Sea-men to Fight and Prophesyed that an hair of their head should not perish and then thou say'st They were slain and Tydings came on this whole matter c. Answ. But R. W. who told thee this Story for their Names thou hast not declared to the World And if Two Maries did bid R. W. Repent and hearken to the Light of Christ within him he standeth in need enough of it for had he Repented and come to the Light of Christ he would have been out of this Evil work And as for his saying the two Marys told him the ground of their Travel they alledged was Joels Prophecie and this is like unto that They Animating the Sea-men to fight c. but these are Scoffing words which do not become an Old Man much less a Christian to tell such Stories to the world R. W. And then thou say'st In some extraordinary Case as in Abraham's Case with Isaac c. but we must not tempt God But if God hath poured out his gifts of Knowledge and Vtterance upon some women more then others they have three large Fields to walk in mentioned in the Scripture viz Of their Instructing their Children 2. As occasion justly calleth them from home of Instructing other women especially the Younger 3. Of confessing boldly the Name of Christ when he suffereth Tyrants to bring persecution on them Answ. Are these the Large Fields the Scriptures mention for Sons and Daughters Prophesying and must it be the Occasion and not the
Spirit to cause the Elder women to Instruct the Younger as Occasion calls them from home and is it not their Duty and do'st thou make this a Comparison with Abraham in the Case of Isaac as thou say'st surely no for it is the Duty of all Christian Women in their Families To instruct their Children But what is this to Daughters Prophesying for did not Priscilla Instruct Apollo as well as Aquila and doth not the Apostle speak of Women that Laboured with him in the Gospel Phil. 4 and were these only their Families or as occasion justly called them from home Did Mary Magdalen and other Women preach Christ's Resurrection As occasion called them from home or as Christ sent them and did not they confess and preach Christ at other times as well as in times of Persecution and all true Christian Believers that Believe in the heart with the mouth they will make Confession unto Salvation Rom. 10. R. W. And thou bringest T. H. that saith The Sight of the God-head without Faith in Christ is the foundation of all false Worships And G. F. Answers to T. H. Can any see the God-head or have a sight of the God-head and not see Christ and have Faith in Christ and who hath Faith in Christ do not they see the fulness of the God-head and dwell in Christ And were not their minds turned To that of God in them which declared the Invisible things of him from the Creation of his Eternal power God-head which the Apostle found fault withal c. Rom. 1 let all Examine and Judge Read the Scripture and try R.W. Replyeth to G. F. and saith I have Conversed with all the Indians of New-England c. and I have read Rom. 1. often and I find that first theris generally in all Man-kind in the world a Conviction of an Invisible and Omnipotent and Eternal Power and God-head and thou say'st That this Conviction doth arise from the Creation c. And then thou tellest what men hold c. Answ. Do'st not thou here speak contrary to the Apostle's Doctrine for doth not the Apostle say Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them and God hath shewed it unto them why do'st thou speak contrary to the Apostle's Language and say'st It riseth from the Creation And must not that which Is general in all Mankind in the world be the Spirit of God which Convicteth them of the Invisible and Omnipotent and Eternal Power and God-head and yet thou say'st There is no Voice nor Motion to be hearkned to in Heavenly things in matters of Super-natural Light p. 83. for the Apostle saith That which may be known of God so it is Of God which God hath shewed unto them therefore God will Judge the world in Righteousness who acteth contrary to that which he Sheweth them Rom. 1 19. R. W. saith I find not that every man or men by all their Natural Light or Wit or Christ within could find out how the world or himself man or woman were Created though Naylor telleth us in Print that if never a Letter of the Scripture had been writ yet their Spirit could tell them all things Answ. We do believe thee that thou and All men in their Natural State or Natural Light cannot find out the worlds nor how they were made c. because that Solomon saith The world is set in thy heart c. Eccles. 2. And whereas thou say'st Nor the Light of Christ within In that thou speakest Ignorantly for the true Light of Christ which is Life in the Word by which All things were made this Light that shineth in their hearts giveth them the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Christ Jesus the Word by whom All things wâ—re Created And as for I. N's saying that If they had not had the Scripture yet the Spirit of God teacheth them all things and why not Did not the Spirit of God teach them all things that gave forth the Scripture and is not the Spirit of God the same which led the holy men of God to give forth Scriptures which the Holy Ghost now leads into the Truths of them And the Apostle saith By Faith we understand the worlds were made by the word of God c. Heb. 11. and so by the same Faith it is understood now in the same Faith Moses describeth it who saw him that was Invisible and saw Christ who is the Author and Finisher of this true Faith which Faith thou and the New-England-Priests are erred from as is manifest R. W. Thou say'st All men confess that the Will or Mind of God is pure and as they could come to know it it is to be adored and kept and observed and that it was ever and is wickedness to sin against it Answ. Then must not this be the pure Spirit of God that maketh them to confess to his pure Will or Mind and to confess that it was ever sin and wickedness to sin against it R. W. And thou say'st None for all the Light and Spirit in every one could ever find how Sin and Death and Sorrow came into the world nor how such Inclinations and Dispositions of sin came into themselves Answ. Then thou art out of the Faith and Spirit and Light that Moses was in and the Apostles for the Apostle that turned people from the Darkness to the Light of Christ Explaineth it Rom. 5. And do'st not thou think that he saw it with the Spirit of God within and the Light of Christ which lighteth every man that cometh into the world and that Moses did not see it with the same Light of Christ and the Spirit of God because thou say'st None for all the Light and Spirit in every man could find it And such that did understand Visions and Dreams and the Scriptures c. it was by such as Obeyed the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God Revealed such things to them R. W. And further thou say'st Thou findest in all Men a Conviction that God is just and powerful and doth bring Plagues and Punishments upon persons for gross sins as Adultery and Murder c. Answ. And before thou confessest more General That it was ever and is wickedness to sin against it to wit the Mind of God pag. 28. And will not this Teach them to Resist the Devil that Teacheth them to Forsake sin and will not that Teach them to Glorifie God as he is God if they obey it and what is all this that thou hast spoken in thy Answer here to the purpose for sometimes thou grantest what G. F. saith in Rom. and then thou speakest slightingly of the Light of Christ and callest it Natural which is from the Spiritual man But all that see their Happiness and their Blessedness in the world that is without End they must see it by the Divine Light of Christ and do Resist the Devil with the Faith that Christ is the Author
of R. W. And thou say'st Hence according to G. F. 's Opposite all Man kind have invented so many false Gods false worships c. yet out of no more Love to God then the Lamb beareth to a Lyon c. and then thou quotest the Philistines Samaritans and Sechemites c. Answ. Thy words are General All Man-kind all the world over What! did Methuselah and Jared and Lamech and Abraham and Moses and the Prophets and the Apostles Invent did they Invent any False Gods for thy words are All Man-kind have Invented so many false Gods and Worships all the world over What! is there no part of the World free hath not God his Seven Thousand still as he had in the days of the Prophets that Do not bow their knee to Baal 1 King 19. And did not all those that Invented all those false ways and worships go from that of God In them which God had shewed unto them R. W. And then thou say'st The Sechemites for fear of Lions or hope of Gain will be of any Worship or Religion as most this day in the World will be yea all and every soul except to whom in and from the Holy Scriptures the Holy Spirit Revealeth the Incomprehensible Mystery of a Mediator Answ. Then they are not All Man-kind And as for Being of any Religion for hope of Gain that thou and the Priests might have kept at home for the Gain that Gods Servants got that were sent to preach the Gospel among you was Gallowses Whips Prisons and bad Language And they that own the Holy Spirit to Reveal Christ the Mystery the Mediator which Holy Spirit leadeth into all Truth they will own us and not them that talk of it and live out of it R. W. And then thou bring'st I. H. his saying The Justification and Redemption by obeying the Light within is a Mystery of Iniquity G. F. Answ. He that believeth is justified from all things and cometh not into Condemnation for he hath the Witness in himself and that lets him see to wit the Light of Christ the Redeemer the Saviour the Light which walking in it he is cleansed from all sin So no Mystery of Iniquity for the Mystery of Iniquity is out of the Light and none seeth Justification and Redemption but with the Light which cometh from Christ who hath enlightned them To this R W. Replyeth and beginneth with his Foul Language and saith This is subtle but being examined it will be a Mystery of Hellish Iniquity and lighter then Vanity it self Answ. Poor Man he might very well have kept this at home And then he goeth on and saith G. F. confoundeth Justification and the Light of Christ and Faith and Obedience after his Babilonish wont all in a Juglers Box within together so that the English of it is Faith is Christ Obedience is Christ Justification is Christ c. And then thou say'st It is true Figuratively Answ. If it be True Figuratively why do'st thou call it Babilonish and Juglers Box and Lighter then Vanity and Hellish Iniquity but G. F.'s words are plain enough as they speak but thou that art in the Hellish Iniquity and the Juglers box c. may'st Cavil at them R.W. And because that G.F. saith None see Justification Redemption which cometh from Christ who hath enlightned them but with the Light within R. W. saith That G. F.'s words may be in plain English thus rendred None sees Christ and Christ but with the Christ within which cometh from Christ who hath Christed him Answ. Now Reader see if G. F.'s words speak as he Maliciously saith For can any see Christ Jesus their Sanctification Justification and Redemption but by the Light which Christ hath enlightned them withal for with the same Light they see their sins and Christ their Saviour and Redeemer c. And thou say'st It is a Mystery or a subtle Trick of Hell to call Faith Obedience and Obedience to the Light Justification c. Reader read G. F.'s words and see if G. F. hath either mentioned the word Obedience or Faith p. 29. So R. W. Inventeth words and then he called them a Mystery and a subtle Trick of Hell to call them as he hath invented them which is his own subtle Trick of Hell for there is no such word in G. F.'s Answer And then he calleth it True sense and saith True Sense as Mony answereth all things but we cannot deny the Apostle's Doctrine how that Christ is made unto us Wisdom and Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption and thy Distinguishing of Heavenly matters is like thy Distinguishing of G. F.'s words as hath been shewed before in thy Contradictions R. W. And then thou say'st It is another Gospel and yet not another but is a Dream and dead Picture of an Image or an Idol to put-in our Obedience and Working Answ. What Contradictions and Confusions are these and what work makest thou about Obedience for G. F. hath not mentioned the word Obedience but thou fightest with thy own words but seeing thou makest such work with Obedience read Rom. 1 5.6 16.16 19. and 2 Cor. 7 15.10 5 6. 1 Pet. 1 2. R. W. And then thou say'st I know they Father this Bastard upon the most-Holy God himself saying It is His Obedience His Righteousness and His Working in the room of the Death and Blood-shedding the Sufferings and Merits of the Lord Jesus Answ. I did never hear so many foul words and such Perversions from any man in my Life the Reader may see in R. W.'s own Book there is not the word Obedience in G. F's Answer which he replyeth to And we do say that Christ Jesus was Obedient unto Death even the Death of the Cross Phil. 2 and the Apostle saith As by the Disobedience of one Man many were made Sinners so by the Obedience of One to wit Christ many were made Righteous And the Saints are Obedient to Christ's Faith and Spirit c. R. W. And then thou goest on and tellest of Laban changing wages c. and then thou tellest us of the Papists and Jews c. and the Bargain of Do this and Live and a Bargain of Saving our selves and a Bargain of Flying out of our selves only to Gods Mercies in the Mediation of Christ Jesus and then again render our selves so Holy so Obedient so Righteous so Loving so Chaste so Meek so Patient so Temperate that in thought word or deed we sin not And this our Holiness is Christ and God and Spirit and Justification c. Answ. Reader did'st thou ever hear how he hath jumbled things together here Where did Christ and the Apostles use these words as Making of Bargains with his People it's like R. W. thinketh he is Wiser then they that gave forth the Scriptures and their words are too simple for him to speak but R. W.'s Scoffing Expressions here do not touch us he may apply this at home And this we say Every one that followeth Christ must Take
up his Cross and deny himself he that will be his Disciple and they must Die with Christ if they Live with him and suffer with him if they Reign with him and his Spirit teacheth Temperance Patience and Holiness yea to deny that which is Unholy both in Word and in Thought And the Righteousness of Christ Jesus is our Fine Linnen and it is God and Christ that doth justifie by the Spirit who art thou that dost Condemn And where did we say that Our Holiness is Christ and God though we cannot deny Christ to be Our Holiness c. who deny Self-holiness R. W. And thou say'st I know the Writers of the Quakers make this high Obedience to be the Crown of some high Saints among them as the Papists do and that others come not so high are taken by the fleshly Spirit and Repent and Confess and be more watchful as they say in a Contradiction of J. Naylor Answ. These are most horrid Lyes and Reader see if G. F. speaketh any of these words in his Answer to T. H. as to the Crowning of high Saints like the Papists for their Obedience or Making their Obedience a Crown for it is the Lord Jesus Christ that Crowneth his Saints that believe in his Name and grow up in his Grace and Truth And as for a Fleshly Spirit and Repent and Confess this you may apply at home for we own no Repentance nor Confession but what is made by the Spirit of God in which we have Unity and for Exhorting to the watchful that is Christ's Doctrine And it is no Contradiction to say He that is born of God cannot sin for the Apostle John explaineth this in his Epistles better than thou can'st which the Quakers own which thou makest a great Jumble about For the Apostle saith He that believeth is born of God and overcometh the world and is not that the world in mens hearts and he writeth to Young-men and Fathers which had Overcome the Wicked one and to Little Children that they sin not and if any man sinneth we have an Advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the Righteous and he is a Propitiation for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole World 1 Joh. 2. R. W. Thou say'st Yet again in a horrible Mystery of Iniquity they exclaim against the Protestants for saying A Child of God cannot fall from the true Grace Finally or Totally Answ. Here are no such words in G. F.'s Answer to T. H. Or how hangeth this together thou say'st They say He that is born of God cannot sin then how Can they Fall from the true Grace But what say'st thou to them that Crucifie the Son of God afresh and do despite against the Spirit of Grace and turn it into Wantonness and these are such as do not Own the True Grace of God which is their Teacher though it hath appeared to them nor do not Believe in the Light of Christ Jesus but hate it And If the Righteous Fall they rise again but the Wicked Fall into Mischief R. W. And thou say'st Here is a Mystery of Hellish Iniquity in that they confess such a Man Christ to have been and his Blood-shedding the Types and real Predictions and Figures of him a real Death Resurrection and Ascension yet upon the point by a Devilish Chymistry evaporate all these and leave nothing but a Christ within as God and Man whose Name is now Light c. Motions within Answ. As for Hellish Mystery of Iniquity and Devilish Chymistry thou may'st keep at home for according to the Scriptures of Truth we do believe Christ Jesus his Birth Sufferings Resurrection and Ascension who fulfilled the Prophets and the Types and Shadows of him And what must we not call God and Christ as the Scriptures call them for God is called the Light and Christ saith I am the Light And though Christ is Risen and Sitteth at the Right hand of God yet he doth dwell In his Saints his Temple according to the Apostle's Doctrine as you may see 1 Cor. 6. and 2 Cor. 6. And what must not God's people Obey the Motions of the Spirit of Christ and his Light and to take heed to it by which they may see Christ their Saviour and Justification and Salvation and the Lord their Righteousness and the Apostle stirred up to Perfection and to Holiness which all the Saints are to follow R W. And thou say'st It is a Hellish Mystery of the Devil to Cosen poor souls with a Notion of the Difficulty and Hight of their profession and of Worshipping God in Spirit and Truth which they say no body in the world doth but they Spirit within Answ. Our good Profession which we make is of Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour who hath enlightned us to follow him and his Worship that he hath set up in Spirit and Truth and they that quench the Spirit and hate the Light and will not come to Truth cannot worship God in Spirit and Truth John 3.4 And this Truth and Spirit of God is Within people and thou or they that draw people from the Truth in the Inward parts and Spirit within you draw them into the Hellish Mystery and Cosen poor souls as thou speakest of for coming to Christ and his Worship And whereas thou say'st Thou toldest them of an Image in the Bed but David was gone c. but this is thy own Condition And then thou say'st That their Religion is one of the Easiest in the world Nay thou never trod the Path thou do'st not know what it is the Gallowses and Goals and Whip-Stocks manifest whether Our Religion be Easie. R. W And whereas thou tellest us What will delight our Ears and Minds to wit various Tunes of Musick c. Answ. But that which Delighteth Vs is the Lord Jesus Christ and his Holy Ghost and the Joy of the Lord is our Strength And that which thou applyest to Us thou may'st keep at home it 's thy own and none of ours R. W. And thou say'st If a poor soul give way an Inch and lets in one thought of yielding to the Voice of a Spirit within they are filled and ravished with Curious Notions of Justification Holiness and Righteousness God and Christ and the Spirit within them Answ. How endlesly do'st thou speak against the Voice of the Spirit of God in his People And the Apostle exhorteth Not to walk after the Flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8 1 2 5 6 9 10 11 13 16 26 27. Rom. 12 11. and 1 Cor. 6 20 34. 1 Cor. 12 13. Gal. 5 5 16 18 25. Eph. 4 3 5 9. Phil. 1 27 That you stand fast in one Spirit Phil. 2 1 If any fellowship of the Spirit c and those are the Poor souls that do not hear what the Spirit saith to the Churches And they that Obey the Voice of God and Christ must Obey the motions of the Spirit and the Holy Spirit leadeth to Holiness
Reveal the things of God doth make them Overseers R. W. And thou say'st The Christian Profession and Professours how-ever they were wrought and prepared and by divers Means by God's Spirit yet c. Answ. But what these divers Means are R. W. hath not told the World But what is this in opposition that the Holy Ghost made not Overseers in the Church in the Apostles days it is nothing to that R. W. And thou say'st Yet the Lord Jesus Christ compareth them to the most Visible Conspicuous and Glorious Things and Persons to the Sun and Moon in the Heavens and the Heavens and Stars also to Mountains and Cities c. and to Kings their Houses and Palaces c. R. W. What is all this to oppose the Apostle's Doctrine and say The Holy Ghost did not make them Overseers which is the Consequence of R. W's Jangling For we do grant what the Lord Jesus Christ doth compare his Holy People to in Scriptures but that 's not thy State R. W. And thou say'st Although the Lord Mayor of London and the several Officers of the City are not made and ordained in the publick Streets nor Generals c. are they not therefore Visible c. Answ. What a Story is this who opposeth thee in this who saith They are not Visible But what is this to oppose the Apostle's Doctrine still who said The Holy Ghost that is Invisible made them Overseers Will R. W. say It is the Holy Ghost that maketh all Mayors and Generals and Officers which are Visible Officers by Visible Commissioners else what doth he bring this Comparison for The Work of Christ's Overseers is Spiritual it is with a Spiritual Eye and a Spiritual Discerning and by a Spiritual Power and to watch over the Invisible Spirits of People the Souls of Men and Women R. W. It is most true c. that the Church is in God and then thou Contradictest thy self and say'st And is it not also true in one Sense that is thy Sense not the Apostle's 1 Thess. We live in God and move in God and have our being in God c. Answ. What Roger one while a Church and not in God and yet Live in him and move in him as thou confessest Thou say'st The whole Creation is Gloriously Visible Who saith to the contrary of that which is Outward R. W. And thou say'st The Saints their Assemblies and Officers are in God Visible to the world c. though in an Heavenly Spiritual Sense transcending the being of the Creation Answ. And yet R. W. bringeth J. M. to Contradict himself in his Append. pag. 21. and saith The Wise Heathen Philosophers had a greater measure of Light in them which is the first Adam than any I can find now And R. W. opposeth G. F. for setting up Christ the Second Adam and his New Covenant and his New Creatures above the First Adam and the Heathen-Philosophers and now in his 42 Page he confesseth This transcends the being of the First Creation Why didst thou oppose G. F. then in thy 21 Page and there Contradict what thou say'st in page 42 But where doth the Scripture say That the Saints and their Assemblies and Officers are in God Visible for God is a Spirit and they that are joined to the Lord and are in the Lord it must be by the Spirit for none knoweth his things but by his Spirit that is Invisible And G. F. never denyed that the Bodies of the Saints and Officers and Assemblies were Visible now and in the Apostles dayes and they were and are to be seen with Visible Eyes or else how could they have been persecuted in the Apostles days and in New-England if you had not seen Quakers there you could not have Hanged them And thou say'st It is most true and most sweet that the Church is in God yet again G. F's Reason is notoriously Silly and Impudent because he saith to the Priest R. W. defendeth that the Church is in God So Roger put thy Words together and see what Sense thou canst make of them R. W. Thou say'st Yea G. F. and his c. for all their being in God and some of their proud and silly Answerings in Courts that they Live in God and Dwell in God c. Answ. See R. W's Contradiction before in the same page where he saith We live in God and move in God and have our Being in God c we must not now confess this that he just now owned without being called Proud and Silly But why must not we tell where our Living and Being is before your Courts and are not they Silly and Proud as thou speakest and live not in God that cannot endure to hear People tell you where their Living and Being is And yet thou say'st They disown not their own Visible Congregations c. Why should they disown their Visible Assemblies or Teachers or Overseers which are gathered together in the Name of Jesus and are Ministers of the Spirit and are made Overseers by the Holy Ghost that is Invisible and their Singing and Praying in the Spirit they own As for those Audible Performances thou speakest of the Saints perform their Worship Praying Preaching c. by the Spirit is the Spirit and Truth Visible in which God is worshipped let R. W. and all the Priests prove that by Scripture if they can R. W. And thou say'st VVhy doth this poor notoriously Visible Cheater thus prate of Invisibilities especially in times of Peace and not in Elias his Case Answ. What! must they not talk of Faith by which the Invisible God is seen nor the VVord of God which was made Flesh by which all things were made nor talk of the Holy Ghost which made Overseers And did not the Apostle say Ye are not in the Flesh but in the Spirit Rom. 8 9. and yet all these were upon the Earth but thou art dark not knowing the things of God But you Professors that prate so much of Visibility are Invisible enough at Times running away and flying your Testimony but the things that are seen that are Temporal your striving is in and so thou pleadst for Visibility And though we are for God's Invisible things against your Carnal envious Minds yet have we not been visible in Tryals and Persecutions did we hide from you R. W. And thou bringst M. Bine which saith The Scriptures may be understood by the Help of Tongues And G. F. Answ. All Scriptures were given forth by Inspiration and so without the same Inspiration it is not understood Again Pilate had the Scriptures and Tongues and yet did not understand the Scriptures nor Christ the Substance of them and this you have set up since the Apostacy your Tongues you Raveners from the Spirit R. W. replyeth and saith That G. F. confesseth that every Syllable or Title in the Scripture is the Word or immediately revealed VVill of God against his and the Quakers common Song hath God any more Words than one Answ.
Spirit as literally and properly as the Scripture declareth him And thou say'st again That W. Edm. shewed but little Philosophy and Divinity Doth not the Apostle bid the Saints Beware of Philosophy and if they had known God and Divinity by it the Apostle would not have bidden them beware of it surely And thou say'st That W. Edm. affirmed that properly and really that Scripture of Wolves coming in Sheeps-Cloathing was to be understood Literally without Meaning And what meaning wilt thou give to Christ's Words are not Men called Wolves really that worry Christ's Sheep about Religion for Christ doth not say They are Wolves with four Feet and when Christ spoke Parables he said He that hath an Ear let him hear and sometimes he expounded them to his Disciples And the Scripture calling God a Father and a Husband and Christ a Rock and Christ's Believers are called a Body a House a Flock are they not really so for it doth not say They are a Flock of Sheep as outwardly or other Creatures nor an outward House c. And then thou goest on with a great Tale and tell'st What the Papists hold and what is amongst them Roger though thou and you of New-England are separated from the Church of Rome yet you are found in the same Old Spirit of Persecution R. W. And whereas thou say'st By God's holy and wise Permission the Devil sends out his old known Spirit of pure Invisibles and pure Immediate and pure Worshippers in Spirit and Truth Answ. Roger do not Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit of God For is not God's Spirit and Truth Holy and Pure in which he is Worshipped and is not God's Holy Spirit Invisible or is it Mediate R. W. And thou say'st This Spirit to wit of the Quakers being Cozen German to or Sworn Brother in Hellish Equivocation with the Jesuites c. Answ. These are thine and the New-England Priests Conditions as your Fruits have declared it for the Quakers obey the Commands of Christ who saith Swear not at all R. W. For thou say'st The Quakers Churches they are as they Childishly vapour Bodies without Wants or Distempers c. Answ. Reader see if there be any such Words in G. F's Answer for G. F. speaketh of the Mystical or Spiritual Body he doth not speak of Naturals nor Bodies of outward Families or Bodies of Nations and Cities or Armies Nor Visible Churches nor the Body of Visible Churches but the Spiritual Body For doth not the Apostle speak of a Spiritual Body and a Natural Body and so it is God that doth supply both And G. F. doth not speak of the outward Bodies of the Saints for is that Mystical R. W. And then thou say'st What known Divisions and Passions about J. Naylor's and others Cases what Envyings Cursings Apostasies and Moral Idolatry as that of Covetousness in this Colony known notoriously Answ. Thou hast not particulariz'd who they be and what is their Covetousness who is known so notoriously as thou say'st in that Colony therefore we look upon this as a Slandering of thy Neighbours for we question whether thou hast admonished them if it was so before thou told the World And as for Cursings and Envyings and Divisions thou mightst have kept that amongst you New-England Professors but if any one do not walk as becometh the Gospel we do Admonish them And if there be any Difference about outward Matters according to the Apostle's Doctrine we do end it amongst our selves according to Truth and Righteousness 1 Cor. 6 and God hath given us Judgment in such Matters as well as Spiritual R. W. And thou say'st I have fairly Collected that the Spirit of the Quakers tends to Incivility and Barbarisme and to suddain Assassinations Murthers and Persecutions Answ. This is thine and the New-England Spirits whose Persecution is known for you have proved it already And thou wouldst have us punished and yet thou wouldst not have it called Persecution as in thy 200 page Is not your Law standing by which you Murdered God's People and do not your Laws and thy stirring up to Punishment Collect or declare your own Spirit not to be the Spirit of Christ for where would it have any to be punished for Matters of Religion and Conscience towards God And so as for thy Lies and abusive Speeches we can say The Lord forgive thee if it be his Will R. W. And thou say'st I believe that I have and can further make it good that the Eternal Father of Mercies stops millions of Mischiefs in the world daily which the Natures Grounds and Principles of Men and the Quakers Spirit also now to turn and overwhelme the world withal Answ. Here thou hast manifested thy self to be of the Spirit of them that opposed Paul who said he was a Pestilent Fellow and a Turner of the World upside down And as for the Principles of Men beside the Quakers they may answer for themselves and thy Slanders may serve such as are given up to believe Lies but sober People that know us will not receive nor believe thy Lies but it will make more to believe the Truth which thou canst not stop But let the Reader see if R. W. in all his Rambling Reply hath said any thing to the Spiritual or Mystical Body which was G. F's Question R. W. And thou bringst J. Clapham his saying Men may be called of Men Masters and it is but a Cavel to deny it and they may deny to be called Father as well as Master And G. F. Ans. Thou hast in this denyed the Doctrine of Christ and slighted it who saith Be not ye called of Men Master for ye have all one Master which is Christ and ye are all Brethren and thou hast shewed thy self out of that Brotherhood And there is a Birth to be born which calls no Man Father upon Earth which thou art ignorant of And R. W. replyeth and falleth a Railing and calleth it G. Foxs's lame Answer Answ. Let the Reader see if it be not Christ's Doctrine which he might as well have called Christ's Doctrine Lame which he Preached to his Disciples R. W. And thou say'st Among other Foolish Passions and Affections haunting all Men and the Quakers especially these two are notorious viz. Pride and a lazy Ignorance these two are the Sir and Dame of most of these Wild Monsters Answ. R. W. might have kept this at home for it is his own Condition who kicketh at Christ's Doctrine that G. F. brings who saith Neither be ye called of Men Master for one is your Master even Christ and ye are all Brethren And he manifests himself to be in the steps of the Pharisees who love to be called of Men Rabbi And so for his Foolish Passion and Pride c. and Lazy Ignorance and wild Monstrous Spirit he may apply at home who doth not obey Christ's Doctrine And we know that those Opposites have written against Christ's Doctrine who love to be called of Men Masters and against us
because we hold it forth And is it Scornful Pride and a Robbing all Mankind of their due to obey Christ's Doctrine as thou speakest of for thou say'st of their due Respects and favourable Glaunces of God 's Care of Order and Prudent Distinctions and Differences amongst the Sons of Men in Families Cities Nations Armies Natives c. Answ. Doth G. F. mention any of these either Families Cities Nations c for G. F. speaketh how Christ taught his disciples that they should not be called of men Masters And did Christ Rob them of all these titles and break God's care or order when he said Be not yet called of men Masters R. W. Thou sayst Sure he cannot but Remember and his own and all the Light in the Quakers if seriously minded will tell them that in robbing all the world of their severall due moderate and sober Titles and Respects they do it but by a Judgling Hocas Pocas a back door c. rob all others of their Points Ribbonds and Laces c. Answ. You may see what work R. W. maketh here agaiast Christ's doctrine to his disciples and how like the Scribes and Pharisees and Hypocrites he appeareth it's like R. W. and the New-England Priests are offended because the People called Quakers do not call them Masters And thou sayest The Pope and the Quakers are compared Nay R. W. is nearer unto them who pleadeth to be called of men Master like the Papists for their Jesuites and Priests are called of men Master and plead for it as thou dost and callest them Civill Respects and therefore it is plain that thou art found in their Spirit R. W. And then thou say'st The Dogged and Scornful Quakers are far from their Spirit being prouder than the Papists And thou Contradicts thy self and say'st The Pope and Quakers compared Answ. For the People of God called Quakers obeying the Doctrine of Christ cannot call your Teachers Masters and if you did not love it Pharisee-like you would never make such work about it and Christ hath interpreted what the Master signifieth And did Christ only condemn the Pharisees and not such as your Teachers for being called of Men Masters did not he teach his own Disciples the contrary R. W. And thou say'st The Foxians itch of being called of Men Masters c. in Religion undervaluing and slighting others Answ. These are False Charges as our Practice declareth it R. W. And then thou tellst a Story of James Naylor and what one should call G. F. Answ. But who that One is thou hast not declared And as for James Naylor he Repented and the World knoweth it therefore it 's no Credit for thee to Publish that R. W. Thou say'st Half a Humane and sober Eye may see that in all his Declamations against the Pharisaical or Popish or Foxians Rabbies c. Answ. These are Railing Accusations For where do the Quakers own that Title Rabbi as they are Preachers of Christ as thou and the Pharisees and the Papists do thou speakest of in a Religious Account as they were Teachers but in a Civil Account as Fathers Masters and Mothers by Children and Servants we never deny this in a Civil account but practise it But what is this to oppose Christ's Doctrine and not to obey his Command which thou art now Fighting against we believe many a Priest could have wished that Doctrine of Christ had been torn out of the Bible it cutteth your Pride so R. W. And thou say'st How childishly doth Fox Answer this his Opposite viz. That although it be unlawful to call Master yet not unlawful to call Father for there is a Birth which his Opposite is ignorant of Answ. We say Yes and thou too But dost thou say It is Childish for Christ to say Call no Man Father upon the Earth Matth. 23 9 is not this Childishness or Ignorance in thee to oppose his Doctrine And did not the Disciples of Christ believe in the Light and so became Children of Light and as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God John 12 Rom. 8 And this is according to true Christian Regeneration and Change R. W. And thou say'st Paul said Though you have ten Thousand Teachers yet I have begotten you Sure it is their Immediate denyes the Mediate Answ. What is all this to the purpose to oppose Christ's Doctrine in Matth. 23 But R. W. hath left out Paul's Instrument through which he begot them to wit the Gospel which the Apostle saith Is the Power of God unto Salvation Rom. 1 and 1 Cor. 4 15 and he told them That they had not many Fathers in Christ and why didst thou leave out that R. W. And thou say'st How simple is that Consequence that because God is an Extraordinary Father therefore I may call all Men Fathers but not Masters when God is both Father and Master and both Titles are forbidden in a true Sense c. Answ. And yet thou wilt not obey them thy self but railest against the Quakers that do and God is the Father of his People and Christ is the Master of his Followers But come R. W. and the New-England Priests shew us a Scripture out of all the New-Testament of Master Matthew Mr. Mark Mr. Luke Mr. John or Mr. Peter and Mr. Paul and Mr. James c and if Roger Williams and the Priests of New-England will be called of Men Master how is it that they do not give the Title Master to the Apostles when they read their Epistles or to the Evangelists And hast not thou written in thy Book and applauded thy self to the World how that one called thee Master Williams and so hast set forth thy Title to the World in opposition to Christ's Doctrine R. W. Bringeth W. Thomas's saying Men are saved but not by Christ within us G. F. Fol. 106 Answereth W. T. How is Man's Salvation wrought out but by the Power of Christ within How is the Old Man destroyed but by Christ within how is Justification felt but by Christ within And the Seed Christ made manifest that suffered without is made manifest within there is Redemption and Life He that hath the Son of God hath Life Redemption to God out of the First Adam and who feel Christ within feel Salvation and who do not are Reprobates though they may talk of him R. W. replyes to G. F. and saith This Subtle Fox is in his Burrough confounding under the Term Christ the Person of Christ and the Love and Spirit und Grace or Fovour of Christ as if they were all one Answ. Let the Gentle Reader judge Is not the Love and Spirit and Grace and Favour of Christ to be manifest within who suffered without But let the Reader read my Words here and mine in R. W's Book and compare them together and see how many he hath left out And see the Abusive Words of R. W.'s who saith Confounding under the Term of Christ the Person of Christ.
c. And how can G. F. say That Christ suffered without his Person without the Gates of Jerusalem who yet is manifest within his People according to the Apostle's Doctrine And it was the Favour of Christ and the Love of God that Christ should die for Sinners and it is the Love and Favour of God that he should be made manifest in his People R. W. And then thou tellest a story of a King and General or Admiral which is to no purpose And the writings of G. F. where they come there is not G. F. except he be there Answ. But what is this to the purpose that Christ that suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem must not be manifest in his people by his Spirit Many may have the Scriptures that speak of Christ but if they have not the Son they have not Life as John saith And if thou owned'st that in the Truth which is spoken of Ephes. 2. and Gal. 2. thou wouldst not oppose the Quakers R. W. And thou confessest Faith is given of God c. and this Faith and belief is wrought by Christ Jesus and finished by him and may with a good sence be called Christ himself Answ. Let the sober Reader see if G. F. do mention in his Answer or any where else that Christ is Faith but the Authour and Finisher of it And how can Faith be wrought in Men's Hearts if Christ the Worker of it be not there also by his Spirit And then thou goest on in thy Story and tellst us a Story of Humph. Norton That he resolved Christ only into a Spirit c. This is like the rest of thy Slanders for we do not believe thee that Humphry Norton owned not the Man Christ Jesus but the Question is Whether R. W. and the New-England Priests will own Christ to be a quickning Spirit And as for Paul's saying to the Corinthians He was absent in Body yet present in Spirit this will prove that Christ by his Spirit is in his People though he be at the Right Hand of God And then thou tellest us a Story of Souldiers to no purpose against G. F's Answer of Christ being manifest in his Saints that suffered without And can any see Christ Jesus at the Right Hand of God but by his Spirit and his Light within did not Stephen see him by the Holy Ghost and was not that within And that is true which was sent to them that stood gazing As they saw him go so should he come as in Acts 1 10 11 which also said Ye men of Gallilee why stand ye gazing up into heaven the same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall come in like manner as ye have seen him go into Heaven And did not Christ appear to his Disciples after his Ascension and to Paul and was manifest in his Saints and will come and Reward every man according to his Works as in Revelations And thou goest on and usest many words but to no purpose And if Christ be felt in the bruised Reed and the smoaking flax and the poor in Spirit and to feed the Hungry and Thirsty is not this all within and is not he the Hope of Glory manifested within his People and doth not the sup with the Saints and the Saints sup with him the Heavenly Supper And doth not he stand at the door and knock but you will not open and cleave to his Light and receive him And without his Light you may seek Day and Night and grope in the dark and never find him R. W. And thou sayst There is a false Feeling of Christ a false Conception in a Woman and how many are bold to cry Lord Lord open for we have Prophecy'd in thy Name Answ. Truly Roger this is thy own Condition and the New-England Priests and Professors in the False Feeling and Conception that do not believe in the Light as Christ Commands but persecute them that believe in the Light and truly feel and are become Children of the Light and have brought forth the true Birth and are graffted into Christ. R. W. Thou say'st I will not say as G. F. hath said All that have not my Feeling or Working of Christ are Reprâ—bates Answ. G. F's Words are the Apostle's Doctrine who saith If Christ be not in you you are Reprobates c. 2 Cor. 13 and therefore he bids them Prove and Examine themselves and so it is every true Christian's Duty R. W. And whereas thou say'st Yet this I say as Solomon A Whore is loud and clamorous Truly R. W. thou art of her for I never heard so many clamorous Words from a Man's Mouth in my Life as from thine but it is well thou hast shewed thy Spirit which will be abhorred by all sober Men and Women And then thou say'st The Devil spoke as Holy and Heavenly VVords as Angels could have spoken yet it was but the Devil in Samuel's Mantle Answ. R. W. this is thy own Condition for thou may'st bring the Scriptures as the Jews and the Devil did that tempted Christ and oppose him as the Jews did in they days of his flesh as he being the man Christ So now thou opposest his Divinity and the divine Light which is the Life in the Word which Light his believers believed in and which Light shines in their hearts and gives them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus 2 Cor. 4. R. W. And thou bring'st Giles Ferman G. F. Fol. 117. Saying Paul Swore after Christ and the Angels Swore I wonder Paul should so forget himself and Sin so fearfully in Swearing So the Quakers Light that denyes Swearing is of Satan and not the Light of Christ. G. F. Answers to G. Ferman Christ the Light which Satan is out of who is the Oath of God endeth all Oaths Sworn by Prophets or Angels whatsoever and who Swear be fallen into the Condemnation of the Devil And it is no where said that Paul Swore but such as thou art matter not what you speak So that spirit that Preaches for Swearing is not the spirit of Christ. But the Spirit of Anti-Christ Preacheth up that which Christ and the Apostles Preached down and Preached condemnation to them that Swear R. W. Replyeth though he hath left out Preacheth Condemnation to them that Swear of G. F. words and also hath left out That which thou preachest up to wit Swearing Christ and the Apostles Preached down So here and there thou hast taken some of G. F's Words And further thou say'st that G. F. dare not deny but the Angel and Paul Swore after Christ and yet thou say'st that Christ put an end to Swearing and that it is not said that Paul Swore and callest it G. F.'s old Song Answ. Here thou contradicts thy self for G. F. saith It is no where said that Paul Swore And if the Angel did Swear is it not said in the Scripture I will bring forth my Begotten into the world let all
the Angels worship him that saith Swear not at all But what is this to the purpose the Command was to men not to Swear and to the Apostles to whom Christ and the Apostle forbids all Swearing R. W. And thou say'st If the Attestation in the Name of God be the formality of an Oath then if ever any man Swore in this world Paul did Saying to the Corinthians I call God to Record on my Soul c. Answ. Roger doth not speak plainly whether Paul Swore or no but is in his Ifs. And we know that this which Paul speaketh to the Corinthians will not be taken for an Oath R. W. And thou tellest us How Nations used to Swear and appealed to the Gods c And how they used to put Creatures in the Room of God as the Jews did And some write out of a Superstitious Reverence in forbearing the Name of God and indeed the Reasons that Christ gives look that way Answ. Christ and the Apostles forbid all Oaths as in Mat. 5. and Jam. 5. not only to Creatures but the Oathes that were to be performed to the Lord. R. W. Thou Say'st There seemes to be a very fair Colour put on an universal prohibition of Swearing by Christ Jesus by his Apostle James Swear not c. Is it no more but a seeming fair Colour are not Christ and the Apostle's words real and yet R. W. saith I must proclaim against G. F. in his lame and simple Return to his Opposite Concerning Paul and the Angel and further thou say'st Why may not Paul and all the Apostles c. and all the Angels of heaven and all the Saints of God upon the Earth in Pauls words call God to Record upon their Souls c. in case of Truth Answ. Yes they may and G. F. doth not deny it and if thou say'st that was an Oath thou art both Lame and Simple and hast not proved it so And as I said before Christ forbidding Swearing and the Apostles it was to men that had Oaths and Shaddows yea and all Oaths were forbidden as well as the true And the Angel Swearing in the Revelations was that time should be no longer c. Rev. 10. but what is this to Christ's forbidding men not to Swear at all And this we can say Instead of an Oath and have profered to Rulers and Magistrates that If we break our Yea Yea and Nay Nay then let us suffer the same punishment as they do that are perjured persons for our NOT SVVEARING is in obedience to the Command of Christ and the Apostle's Doctrine who saith Swear not at all R. W. And thou say'st As the fear of God is put for the whole worship of God so also is Swearing in the holy Scripture Answ. This is but R. W's Saying so but he hath brought no Chapter and Verse for it nor tells us where it is written so but speaketh contrary to Christ and the Apostle's Doctrine who saith Swear not at all And where doth R. W. prove that God commanded Swearing before Moses was born R. W. And thou say'st Thou knowest the Foxians make Baptisme c. And ere long if they continue to hearken to Samuel within them they will account Prayer and Preaching but Types and Shaddows Answ. These are Scoffing and Jearing expressions as any sober people may see And John saith that he must decrease and Christ must encrease that cometh after him who is mightier then he that was preferred before him who is Mightier in birth and in power c. and he shall Baptize you with fire and the Holy Ghost and he shall encrease Now I query of R. W. Whether he hath known John whether his Rough way be made Smooth and his Crooked way straight and his Mountain be down and whether he doth believe that Christ Jesus is come after John And what reason hath R. W. to say that the Quakers will look upon preaching and praying to be Types and Shaddows if they hearken to Samuel within them do these words savour of the Spirit of God let the sober Reader Judge R. W. And thou say'st That Swearing is as real worship of God as preaching c and the fear of God and Swearing by him is put for his whole worship Answ. And were not Offerings and Sacrifices the Worship of God in the time of the Law and doth not Christ say before Abraham was I am who saith Swear not at all and doth not Christ end the Offerings and Swearing as well before the Law as after the Law and so all Oaths For the Apostle that forbids Swearing Exhorteth to prayer and therefore thou Preachest a false Doctrine to bring people into Evil and Condemnation that preachest up Swearing against Mat. 5. James 5. R. W. And thou say'st It is a gross fancy to Imagine that the Lord Jesus in Mat. 5. gave New Commands to contradict the holy pleasure of his Father Concerning Oaths c. Answ. Christ there expoundeth the Law and tells them how they were not to forswear themselves but perform their Oaths to the Lord in the Old time and what Old time was that But Christ saith I say unto you Swear NOT AT ALL so this was the true Oath of God that he forbiddeth amongst the Jews which was a part of their worship And Christ he putteth down their Worship at Jerusalem which the Jews went there yearly to worship and setteth up a worship in Spirit and Truth and dost thou say that the Jews worship lay in nothing but the fear of God Swearing and Prayer and were they not to obey many other things in their Worship And for all frivolous Oaths Christ reproved the Jews and the Law forbad false Swearing as well as Christ and what the Prophet under the Law called Swearing the Apostle under the Gospel calleth Confessing Phil. 2 10 11. R. W. And thou sayst A Sober Eye may see that Christ intends only to reduce them to an Holy Swearing only by God's way Answ. Thou hast not proved this out of the New Testament but they proceed from thy own dark Imaginations And are thy own Traditions contrary to the mind of Christ and the Apostle who denys all Swearing and setteth up Yea and Nay in the Lieu of it and he plainly forbiddeth that Oath that the Jews were to perform to the Lord in the old time R. W. And thou bring'st F. H. and say'st The Quakers plainly Confess Swearing in cases Lawfull Answ. In this thou abusest F. H. and the Quakers but to use those words as F. H. and the Apostle do is not Swearing And hadst thou been in the same tenderness of Vsher or the Waldenses thou wouldst not have pleaded so much for Swearing And dost not thou tell in one place of thy Book how thou Suffered'st because thou could'st not take an Oath but now it seemeth thou art hardened as in pag. 60. wherein thou say'st thou could not yeild to the formality of an Oath and it seemeth now thou canst Swear and deny Christ
and the Apostle's Doctrine and plead for it And why should the Parliament and all Lawiers search well and appoint a Committee to examin if their Laws upon New appearances from Heaven have not need of Rectifying c. And as R.W. saith If Swearing be a part of God's worship c then did not R. W. Sin in not Swearing in the Chancery in England in leaving off a part of God's worship which he saith Swearing is But in this you may see how R. W. Contradicts himself and hath manifested what Love he hath to Christ and his Apostles who perverteth their words as he doth G. F's and Slights their Doctrine who saith Swear not at all R. W. And thou bring'st T. Moor saying It is not properly nor in a full sence that God is manifested in the flesh of his Saints but Roger hath quoted no page for this G. F. Answ. The Saints are the Temples of God and God dwells in them and they come to witness the Flesh of Christ and they glorify him in their Souls and bodies and the Lord is Glorifyed in their bringing forth much fruit and they witness his Seed to wit Christ the one Offering for Sin to be manifested within And such are not Reprobates that witness the One Offering Christ Jesus and they that have not him within they are Reprobates R. W. replyeth and saith A great designe of the Devil in all Ages hath been to Cavil at and hinder God's Love to mankind Answ. What! doth this hinder the Love of God to mankind and to have Christ manifest within them which is God's Love to the World And is it not the Devil's designe to deceive Man and keep his house and will suffer him to talk of Christ as long as he will but will not suffer the strong one to be bound and cast out And they that are Married to Christ who bruiseth the Serpent's head are they not of his flesh and of his bones and they that have the Son can praise God for his Love to fallen mankind R. W. And thou say'st Against this Lord Jesus Christ this old Serpent hisseth and rageth before his birth at his birth and after his birth c. Answ. We who have Christ formed in us have felt the Rage of the Old Serpent in this Age both in R.W. and the New England-Priests and professours as Christ and the Prophets and Apostles did in their Age by the professors of Christ in words as the Jews professed him to come in words And whereas thou rank'st the people of God called Quakers amongst the Libertines Manicheans Adamites Ranters c. these R. W. and the New-England-Priests might very well apply'd at home who have manifested your Order in the Dragon's power thou speakest of persecuting with Tongue and Hands as Michael the Arch-Angel when Contending with the Devil he disputed about the Body of Moses durst not bring against him a Railing Accusation but said The Lord Rebuke thee And now art not thou with thy Railing Accusations disputing about the Body and Flesh of Christ as thou may'st see in Jude and Zach 3. R. W. And whereas thou tell'st us What the Arrians hold But thou had'st better to see what thou held'st and did'st possess of Christ thy self And thou say'st But with Christ's Man-hood and the Scriptures the Devil and the Papists and the Quakers for the most part of them could with all their heart make an Everlasting parting The Devil 's End is to destroy this Saviour and Salvation to poor lost man she Quakers pretend their End to be the Exalting and Glorifying God in the Flesh of his Saints Answ. As for what the Papists and the Devil do thou may'st apply that at home who so often hast the Devil in thy Mouth And as for parting Christ Jesus from his God-head that is not our work for he is called the heavenly man the Second Adam a quickning Spirit And the Scripture we own and also are to Glorify God with our Souls and bodies which are his And we tell thee the Devil cannot destroy our Saviour Christ Jesus for he destroyeth the Devil and his Works but it 's like he may destroy your Imaginary Christ or Anti-Christ and set up another for Christ was dead and is alive and liveth for Evermore Revel 1 18 R. W. And thou say'st that G. F. plays upon the various meaning of the word Flesh he plays also upon those holy Scriptures viz God is glorifyed in the Souls and bodies of his Saints c. Answ. As for saying G. F. plays that thou might'st have applyed at home for his words are Scripture-phrases For must not all the Children of the New Covenant witness their bodies the Tempâ—es of God and him to dwell in them and waâ—k in them by his Spirit and they to bring forth fruits of his Spirit and to Glorify God in their bodies and Souls c And we do know what the Protestants do hold and what you do hold in words concerning Christ who persecute us that do possess him and you had better possess him and let him Rule in your hearts by Faith and not the Dragon the Old persecutor For we own Christ in the promise in the prophecies who was born of a Virgin his Sufferings Resurrection in whom the fullness of the God-head dwells bodily and of his fulness have we Received Grace for Grace Col. 4 R. W. And thou say'st That G. F knowes his Opposite intends such a manifestation of God in the Flesh that renders the one Single person Christ Jesus the head of the Church and that they hold there is as much difference between that one Individual person Christ Jesus the Head and his Followers as between our heads and our bodies c. Answ. If you hold this this is a Nighness betwixt Christ and his Church but do you possess it And G. F knoweth his Opposites in the other Power 's days it was a wonder to them to hear of Christ's dwelling in people so G. F. knew their meaning very well And must not God that was manifested in the Flesh of Christ that one Single person must not he and his Father be manifest in his people by his Spirit and he to dwell in them Now as he did in the Apostle's days R. W. And thou say'st How poor and lame is it that because the Saints are God's Temple therefore they must be God himself Answ. Let the Reader see if there be any such words as these in G. F's Answer for G F's words are The Saints are the Temples of God and God will dwell in them as 1 Cor. 6. and 2 Cor. 6. G. F. doth not say The Saints are God as thou hast falsly forged And doth not the Apostle Exhort the Saints that Christ may dwell in their hearts by Faith Eph. 3. and therefore thou say'st They say they are Christ himself Let the Reader see if there be any such word in G. F's Answer and whether he has not abused G. F's words here
falleth in Corse R. W. Next thou say'st I know the Foxians turn Christ yea his Blood also into a Spirit a God Answ. Where and when did they so speak or write this also is one of thy Calumnies and Lies Christ's Blood on the Cross for the World we own and Christ's Blood and Life we own and partake of by which we have Life Eternal but what hast thou to do with Christ's Blood that art not washt from thy Lies nor so much as Repentest of them that I hear of R. W. Thou say'st I have heard also the Foolish Blasphemy of one of my own Neighbours saying That the Blood of the Quakers and by Name of W. B. was Saving and Salvation to the World Answ. This is a General Charge and therefore no Charge for it 's a Charge against No Body he nameth not his Neighbour nor have we any Evidence of it and if he will both add to take from and wrest our Words yea invent Lies against us as he hath done we have Cause to suspect that this is a Slander also R. W. Again thou say'st What a Proud Frenzy is it in the Quakers to cry out We are the Conduit it self we are the Well-head Fountain and Spring and as this Frantick Fox once and again affirms no Distinction between God and Christ and his Saints Answ. O Roger Williams that ever thou shouldst at this Age and after so long a Profession of Religion so Irreligiously abuse my Book and me and those that read thee there is nothing I have ever writ to any such purpose as thou wouldst have the Lord Rebuke thee Nay thou confessest a little further that I call Christ the Author and Finisher of Faith yea that I often acknowledge Christ to be so how then are we the Well-head Spring and Fountain if Christ be so if he be our Alpha and Omega our Author and Finisher in Faith and Salvation Thus thou gropest in the Dark and â—ontradicts thy self as all Babilons-Builders do which endeth in Confusion and Destruction R. W. Bringeth the same Author saying The Light which discovers Sin and Iniquity in Man's Heart is not Christ the Door G. F. Answereth The First Adam was the Door where all Sin and Transgression entred and Christ the Light the Second Adam which doth Enlighten every Man c. saith I am the Door the Way the Truth and the Life c. which finisheth Sin and Transgression and bringeth in Everlasting Righteousness and the Way of Life out of Death which Light discovereth Sin R. W. Replyeth and after he hath rambled a while he saith What then do these poor deluded Souls tell us of a Light and Christ within every Man in the World discovering his Pure Estate his Foul Estate and his Raised Estate which no Man or Woman in this world that I ever read or heard of by Nature had any Spark or Shine of such a Light c. but they have read or heard of such things from the Holy Scriptures c. Then thou Contradicts thy self and say'st in the same Page It is granted that Nature's Light discovers a God some Sins a Judgment as we see in Indians Answ. But what Scriptures had Nabuchadnezar and Darius who spoke of the Kingdom of God and of Christ and when he had cast the Three Children into the Fiery Furnace what Scripture had Nebuchadnezar for saying That he saw Four and one like the Son of God And what must we observe from R. W's Words that he can see his Pure Estate and his Foul Estate and his Raised Estate without the Light of Christ within him And thou may'st say John was a Deluded Soul that came for a Witness to bear witness to that Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the world which he calleth the Light in the Word Joh. 1. R. W. And thou say'st Yea doubtless Nature's Light is able in Self-Deceitfulness wonderfully to counterfeit true Heavenly Light and the Devil seem an Angel or Messenger of Light from Heaven Answ. Roger thou might'st very well have applyed this at home for these are none of my Words for the Light which I speak of that Lighteth every Man that cometh into world is Life in the Word Christ Jesus and Christ saith Believe in the Light and he that believeth in it shall be saved therefore it is Saving And could the Goaler and his Company have seen their Sins without the Light of Christ to shew them their Sins with which they might see Christ their Saviour Physitian and Redeemer who fed them with his Heavenly Bread Water Wine and Oil but all this is needless and loathsom to thy full foul Soul and Stomack And can any see Christ that pardoneth Sin but by his Light by which they see their sins but thou and all thy Race would see Christ and not see your sins but that cannot be therefore you hate the Light because YOVR DEEDS ARE EVIL R. W. Thou say'st How poor a Plea is this Adam was a Door to Sin therefore Christ is the Door to the Discovery of Sin Answ. Have not all dyed in Adam and doth not Christ enlighten very Man that cometh into the world that they might see their Sin and evil Deeds and him their Saviour and Door and Way again to God and with the same Light to see how their Deeds are wrought in God and is this Natural and is it not Christ that saith He is the Light of the World the Promised Seed And as for Adam's mincing and excusing his Sin R. W. saith All this is Revealed to us and not a word yet of Christ the Promised Seed or a Light Christ to Convince of Sin as R W. saith But by what Means was this Doctrine Revealed to R. W. and the New-England-Professors to wit the State of the Fall of Adam c. if it was not Revealed by Christ and his Light R. W. Thou say'st I know the Song of this great Deluder is Turn to the Light and Hearken to the Light thou seest it chideth thee for thy Lying for thy Stealing c. is not this the Christ c. obey him and he will teach thee and save thee But the bottom is â—he English and Meaning is to hearken to Satan the God of this World Answ. Was it not the Apostle's Doctrine To turn People from Darkness to Light and are they not such as steal and lie that will not come to the Light because their Deeds are Evil such as thou art with thy Bottom and Meaning to hearken to Satan the God of this World to be ruled and guided by him and not by the Light of Christ nor to walk in it how canst thou and the New-England-Priests be saved by Christ and cleansed from all Sin and not walk in his Light And is it now become with thee and the New-England-Priests matter of Delusion to turn People from Darkness to Light to walk in it and take heed to it and did the Apostle that turned People from
Darkness to Light turn People to the God of the World what Blasphemy is this R. W. But thou say'st The Scripture is but a Dead Letter the true Christ is within thee he will turn thee from thy Sins and make thee Perfect as he is and he is come in us Ten Thousand of his Saints c. Thus thou mockest Answ. R. W. hath not proved that the Letter of the Scripture is Living for Christ saith Search or Ye search the Scriptures but ye will not come unto me that you may have Life for they are they that Testifie of me they Testifie of the Life but Christ doth not say They are Life or Living And doth not Christ shew People their Sin else how doth he Convince them of their ungodly Deâ—ds And doth not Christ say to his Apostles Be ye Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect and what dost thou kick against this Doctrine We do confess that Christ Liveth in our Hearts and if he live not in your Hearts you are Roprobates the Apostle saith R. W. And whereas he scoffingly saith He within thee is the Word of God the Christ of God the Light of God the Spirit of God God himself and He seeks Worshippers in Spirit and Truth And then thou say'st What is in all this but the noise of Fenny Bitter in Hollow Canes c what is here but that two Common Businesses may reach to 1. The Conscience of Good and Evil which every Savage Indian in the world hath 2. The Whisperings the Blindings and Cheatings of the Devil in Samuel's Mantle Answ. Here the Reader may see that R. W's Words are nothing in Answer to G. F's Assertion But what must we infer from R. W's Words but that the Preaching of the Word of God in the Heart and Christ within People except they be Reprobates and God Walking and Tabernacling in his Saints and the Spirit of God to lead his Saints into all Truth that they may be his Sons and the Light that shineth in their Hearts that giveth them the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Christ Jesus and the Worship of God that is in the Spirit in which he seeketh People to worship him These Doctrines saith R. W. are such a Conscience of Good and Evil as every Savage Indian in the world hath And further he saith These Doctrines are the Whisperings Blindings and Cheatings of the Devil pretending saith R. W. Vowing and Swearing to be the Word of the Lord to be Jesus Christ yea and that to your Feeling c. This is an Horrid Lie he knoweth it in his own Conscience for we neither Vow nor Swear but Christ Jesus the Word we feel to our Comfort and Salvation but what Comfort in this Doctrine hath he to poor Sinners And after this thou Contradictest thy self and say'st That Christ Jesus is the Door of Hope to poor Sinners here thou grantest what G. F. asserts and what thou hast been Cavilling against and so Contradictest thy self which is frequent with thee But Roger is the Worship of God in Spirit and Truth a Temporal and Visible thing prove this by Scripture and prove to us by Scripture That God and Christ and his Spirit is called a Conscience of Good and Evil and whisperings and blindings and cheatings in Samuel's Mantle Also pag. 74. he saith to this purpose Natural Men until Chang'd and Born again do but prate as the Devils do but in Contradiction to that he saith pag. 79. That it is by Outward hearing or reading and inward Convictions of Natural Conscience God hath passed Sentence of Eternal Death R. W. must this then be an Inward or Spiritual Hearing of this Sentence And when People come to see their Sins by the Light of Christ then People Cry out to Christ the Saviour the Gospel the Good News for Salvation from him they Receive this Gospel their Healing and Setteth them out of Prison and free from their Sin and with his Light it is they see themselves Blind and with his Light they see his Spiritual Eye-Salve and his precious Blood which Cleanseth from all Sin But these are too good and soft Words for thy foul Spirit and full Stomack who hast cast out so many Lies against God's People R. W. And thou bringest-in Ellis Bradshaw Fol. G. F. 224. saying There is more Words than one G. F. Answ. God is the Word and the Scriptures are the Words which Christ fulfilleth And R. W. replyeth As the Design of the Bloody Pope and Jesuites are to kindle Wars between the Protestants that the Protestants may do the Papists work so deals the Devil the old Serpent with Christ Jesus and the Holy Scripture which are but one in a Sense as the Sun and the Sun-Dial his end is to tear down the Sun-Dial c. under pretence that the Sun is within them and they need no Dials or Clocks no Visible thing that is Temporal c. and so to destroy the Person and Commands of Christ as Visible and Fleshly pretending all to be Light and Spirit Answ. Reader what is this to G. F's Answer But R. W. have not the New-England Priests and Professors done the BLOODY Pope's work as thou call'st him and art not thou a doing it and would they be so careful of the Scripture but that they make a Trade of it and under a pretence of Scripture and Dials without do the Devil's work to throw at the Spirit and Christ in Peoples Hearts and tear him out there if you could But I must tell thee R. W. that as to Christ himself and his Person though he was Dead yet he is Alive and Dies no more and he is out of your Reach and you cannot persecute him any more though they and thou may persecute him in his Members that keep the Commands of Jesus And as to Visible and Fleshly pretending and the Visible and Temporal things thy Clocks and Dials which are thy Helps to know the Invisible know this thou may'st pore on them till thy Eyes rot in their Holes and never know the Lord Jesus Christ but by Revelation R. W. Thou say'st The word Dabar in Hebrew and Logos in Greek signifie the Word c. and that it is a Metaphor to say God is the Word for God is no more a Word than he is a Man or a Spirit c. Answ. Dost thou not here gain-say John's Doctrine who saith The Word was God and wilt thou give Christ the Lie that saith God is a Spirit Joh. 4. but prove this by Scripture that John did say That it is a Metaphor to call God the Word Then dost not thou Contradict thy self and say'st The Man Christ Jesus is called the Word but was not he called the Word that was called God and did not this Word take Flesh did Christ suffer and die as he was God or according to the Flesh since 't is said The Word liveth and abideth and endureth for ever Thou say'st That G. F. confesseth that
not Hay Wood and Stubble R. W. If you come not roundly to the Pope c. or to the Light within c. nothing remaineth but Fire and Brimstone and Damnation c. Answ. Dost thou call the Light of Christ within the Pope or makest as small a matter thereof And whom have we burnt with Fire and Brimstone let all the People witness against thy Blasphemous Lying Spirit And for thy Comparing us with the Pope they own the Light within no more than thou and the New-England-Priests And thou further say'st Their Idol called the Light within here we do Charge thee with Blasphemy for calling the Light of Christ which shineth in the Heart to give the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ an Idol R. W. And thou say'st The Protestants overcome the Papists not only by Scripture and Argument but in Charity for they have hope of many among the Papists as also among the Quakers But the Papists and Quakers like Fire-ships burn and blow up all that bow not down to their Image Answ. Why how now Roger What! have you overcome Papists and Quakers by Scripture Argument and Charity and yet the Papists and Quakers blow up all that will not bow to this Image the Light of Christ as thou scornfully callest it R. W it's not the New-England-Protestants that have this Charity But hath the Light of Christ blown up R. W. and his New-England-Protestants and scorcht you so that it maketh thee and you thus rage and blaspheme against the Light of Christ and call it an Idol beast like But what Hopes have you of Papists and Quakers if they burn you and blow you up as thou say'st but thou wrongest the Papists for they own not the Light of Christ within as we do witness they persecuted us both at Rome and Paris But this know this Light thou blasphemously callest an Idol will be thy Condemnation R. W. Then thou tellest us The Quakers Spirit is far from the Spirit of Christ Jesus and how the Poor Woman desired the Crumbs as a Dog and how Christ Proclaimeth the Kingdom to the Poor in Spirit and his Blessedness to bleating Lambs and New-born Babes and how Christ Bore with his Disciples and their Ignorance of his Death and Resurrection Answ. What is all this to G. F's Answer let the Reader see alledging Christ's Promise and his Kingdom proclaimed to the Poor c. but if they hate the Light of Christ they neither receive the Kingdom nor Promise Neither did the Woman nor Cornelius hate the Light of Christ for if they had they would not have received him nor have had Faith in him And as for Christ's Disciples thou art short of them and the Quakers are not far from the Spirit of Christ for they have it or else they would be none of his like thou And we have the Mind of Christ 2 Cor. 2. R. W. Thou bringest John Brown G. F. Fol. 259. saying And them that bring People to look at the Light within them are as Korah Dathan and Abiram G. F. Answ. All that go from the Light within them are as Korah Dathan and Abiram against the Lord's Prophets Exalting themselves and Persecuting them R. W. replyeth That this Famous History of Korah Dathan and Abiram's Revolt may most properly be Applicable to the pretended Quakers and saith I know G. F. chargeth this to wit Korah Dathan and Abiram upon all that pretend to Spiritual Ministration and have not the Immediate Spirit of God as the Apostles had The Protestant Religion is a Religion protesting against the Bloody Man of Sin the Pope Answ. This is not New-England's Protestant Religion the Laws their GALLOWS their WHIPS their BANISHING their SPOILING of Goods declare it to the World And thou and thy Ministers that have not the Immediate Spirit of God and Christ as the Apostles had are in the Revolting Spirit of Korah which is truly applyed to thee and thy Ministers in Jude and not to the Quakers For you that have not the same Spirit and Power as the Apostles had are to be turned away from though you may have a Form but denying the Power R. W. And thou say'st The Quakers are Revolted from the Protestants Doctrine and Worship and sets up a Flag of Defiance against all but pretended Immediately Inspired Persons Invisible Worship and Ministers and a Sullen Proud and Dogged Conversation Answ. The New-England's Bloody Doctrines and Religion and Ministers which are not Inspired by the Spirit of God and have not the Mind of Christ and his Spirit the Quakers are turned away from such who are none of Christ's And though ye may Protest against the Bloody Whore yet you wear her BLOODY GARMENTS and do her Work with your BLOODY HANDS And as for Dogged Sullen and Froud Conversation R. W. and the New-England-Professors might have kept at home for how often have your Dogs-Teeth been in the Flesh of the People of God called Quakers with your WHIPS and HOT-IRON and CVTTING OFF OF EARS And R. W. now thou dost shew thy Teeth who desirest the Magistrates to punish us though it be for Conscience and thou wouldst not have this called Persecution no more would thy Brethren in New-England when they put God's People to Death And the Spirit of God that inspired them and maketh us Ministers of the Spirit this we do set up the same Spirit that the Prophets and Apostles were in And thou and the New-England Priests and Professors that Worship not God in his Invisible Spirit and Truth but scoff at it ye are not in the same Spirit and Power the Apostles were in and so have not the Spirit of Christ. So out of thy own Mouth you are proved to be of Korah Dathan and Abiram against God's People that are in the Spirit of Christ the Apostles were in and Truth wherein they Worship God So it 's You that are Revolted from the Spirit of Christ and God's Worship and Rebel against his Light as Korah did against his Law And there is no such Word in G. F's Answer as Invisible Persons Invisible Ministers they are of thy own shameless Forging R. W. Thou say'st As to the Pretending Quakers it is known they are not Sons of Obscurity as Reeve and Muggleton and then thou fallest a railing against the Papists and Mahomeâ—ans Answ. Let R. W. read his Book again and see if his Brethren be not worse in many things and as bad as Mahomet and the Papists and therefore why shouldst thou rail against your own Spirit who manifest their Fruits And the People of God called Quakers are not the Sons of Obscurity New-England-GOALS and their Persecution giveth thee the Lie though Christ said to his Disciples the World knew them not as it did not know him and therefore thy Charge is false against the Quakers as Korah's was against Moses R. W. saith The Quakers do advance their own People Answ. And what doth this torment R.W. and the
from his Spirit and resist the Holy Ghost But thou say'st The Men and Women in the World have never seen or heard of any Glimps of the Sun of Righteousness What! have they never heard of Christ the Sun of Righteousness I believe there is Millions of Men and Women in the World that will say thou art a Lyar. For were not the Apostles to Preach the Gospel Christ Jesus the Sun of Righteousness to all Nations and doth not the Apostle say The Gospel was preached to EVERY CREATVRE VNDER HEAVEN whereof he was made a Minister Col. 1 23. and the Apostle saith Have they not all heard YES VERILY Rom. 10 and the Prophane Mouth thou speakest with is thy own If they hate the Light of Christ and quench his Spirit that God hath poured upon them and erred from his Spirit then they are not like to See him indeed and will not Hear him in the Spirit and his Light they will not See him nor Hear him like the Pharisees and thou R. W. And why dost thou fret thy self about the Light and the word ALL and EVERY MAN but thy Spirit is the Sect-maker and would not have ALL nor EVERY MAN who art opposite to the Prophets and Apostles Doctrine Peter saith It shall come to pass in the last Days saith the Lord I will pour out my Spirit upon ALL FLESH to wit Sons Daughters Young-Men Old Men Servants Hand-maids Joel 2. Act. 2 and John saith This is the true Light which was Life in the Word which lighteth EVERY Man that cometh into the World And Paul saith to Titus The Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared unto ALL MEN and Christ bid his Disciples To go into All Nations to Preach the Gospel unto Every Creature and the Apostle saith That the Gospel was Preach'd unto Every Creature under Heaven But R. W. saith Men and Women in the World who have never seen or heard of any Glimps of the Sun of Righteousness and yet thou say'st pag. 28. I find in all Mankind a Conviction that God is IVST and Powerful and again I find all Men confess that the Will or Word or Mind of God is PVRE I find that First There is Generally in all Mankind in the World a Conviction of an Invisible Omnipotent and Eternal Power and Godhead and pag. 102. Men and Women in the World have never seen or heard any Glimps of the Sun of Righteousness thou say'st how now R. W. dost not thou Contradict thy self here dost thou Divide the Word here as thou accusest me is this New-England's Great Oratour And so as for Vnclean Beast and Proud Fancy and Vainly and Wickedly deluding and Soul-Cheating thou might'st have kept this in thy own Bottle R. W. Thou say'st G. F's 2d Answer here is to wit The Spirit of God shall lead the Saints into all Truth and R. W. saith I observe here how like a Skittish Jade this Wild Soul runs in and out c. before he brings in the Spirit of God poured out upon the Common World and now he brings in the Spirit leading the Saints the next word he concludes is Every Man in the World to have the Spirit c. Answ. Dost not thou confess that the Holy Spirit testifieth that he is the Comforter of the Saints and is he not the Leader also and dost not thou confess that the Spirit is the Reprover of the World p. 102 103. then hast not thou made thy self the Skittish Jade thou speakest of and Running in and out are not these Vnsavoury and Vnseemly Words out of an Old Man's Mouth that professeth Christianity And if the Spirit of Truth doth Reprove the World and God hath poured his Spirit upon All Flesh then is not this the Common World and if it be upon All Flesh is not Every Man come into the World else how will God Judge the World in Righteousness according to the Gospel Thou confessest That the Holy Ghost is a Reprover of the World and that he Reproveth the World in his Threatnings and Judgments and doth not he then Reprove the World for its Unrighteousness Judgment and Unbelief also and if thou didst not Resist it it would Reprove thee for thy Vnrighteousness False Judgment and Vnbelief as Christ saith R. W. Dost not thou say The World mocks at this Holy Spirit Banisheth Imprisoneth and Murdereth such in whom the true Spirit of God appeareth And further thou say'st It is Lying Peor tells us That all the VVorld without Distinction have the Manifestation of the Spirit of God to profit withal There have been Persons professing the Order of the Holy Ghost yet are far from the Savour of the Holy Spirit Answ. This is thy own Condition R. W. and thy own New-England-Professors who Resist it as Stephen saith Act. 7. and Mock at it and BANISH IMPRISON and MVRTHER such in whom the Spirit of God appeareth this hath been the Practice of the New-England-Priests and Professors to the Dishonour of Christianity And doth not the Apostle say God will pour out his Spirit upon all Flesh WITHOVT DISTINCTION as Peter saith and is not this All the Men and Women of the World what Flesh dare say but they have the Reproofs of God's Spirit when they do Ill except it be such as R. W. and R. W's Professors that quench it and have erred from it so thou may'st take thy Lying Peor to thy self And so it is thou that art resisting and fighting against the holy Spirit of God And can any profit in the things of God without the Manifestation of the Holy Spirit that is given to profit withal and Peter and Paul say to All flesh and to Every Man so it is their Doctrine thou oppossest not with the Spirit but with the dark fleshly mind And thou tellest a story of Babilonish Orders and of Absolom which if thou did'st see that thy own Condition in the Light of Christ thou hatest it would be better for thee R. W. Thou say'st Oh! what Reproofs of God's Spirit hath G. F. and others of their Leaders had in and by so many Excellent Opposites and Scriptures and Arguments which G. F. here trampleth under his Prophane Feet without any Savour of the Spirit of God Answ. R. W. thou highly extollest the Ranters here Tim. Trav. the great Ranter one of our Opposites but thou hast manifest thy Spirit and what thou takest part with-al against the People of God And we have a Savour of the Holy Spirit of God and in it can Savour our Opposites or Old Persecutors Spirits not to be of Christ and it hath been the Evil Spirit is in thee and them that hath stroven against us And we know you may bring Scripture to a wrong End as the Devil did to Christ and the Lord hath given us Power over the Devil's Spirit blessed be his Name for ever and he hath blasted it and brought down which was up in Oliver's Days that Persecuting Spirit And we do own the Scriptures letâ—it
for thy Wicked Words here And for all thy Wicked Words and Blasphemies we cannot deny but must own the Apostle's Doctrine of the Spirit 's Teaching Really without any pretence and so G. F. meaneth as he speaketh and how the Ministers of the Spirit sow to the Spirit and Know ye not that Christ is in you Except ye be Reprobates and Christ is in the Saints the Hope of Glory whom the Apostle preached that he might rule the peoples hearts by Faith who doth rule now And all thy Railing Words are little to us We know that the Devil doth rage against Christ dwelling in his Saints and may persecute him in his Members but he is risen far above the Devil at the Right Hand of God and so he is too high for the Devil and his Journey-men to stab him as thou Wickedly say'st And we charge R. W. and all his New-England Priests to shew us where it is written in Scriptures that the living God and his Son can be stab'd and to prove these Horrid Blasphemies which we deny R. W. And thou say'st G. F. knows that we do affirm that no Reading or Hearing no Meditation no Afflictions c. can do a Soul any good until God by the Power or Finger of his own self or Spirit make the means Powerful and Effectual Answ. And R. W. dost not thou say pag. 88. that the Scripture was the Sword and the Only Sword and what R. W Reading Meditating Hearing will do the soul No Good until God by his Power and Finger and Spirit make the means Powerful and Effectual and what a Contradiction is this R. W. for pag. 88. thou say'st The Scriptures are the Only Sword by which Wicked men may kill and do hurt withal and now here It is of no Value without the Spirit and yet The Scriptures are the Ground and Author of Christ's and the Saints Faith and now thou hast overthrown thy own Assertions in thy Book withal Then R. W. thou grantest the Immediate Means of this Power and Spirit of God which thou hast been Fighting and Opposing all this while against us R. W. And thou tellest us of a Story or Proverb of a Sow Teaching the Goddess of Wisdom Answ. And this thou applyest to us but thou must apply it at home with all thy Mystical Filthiness thou speakest of and we can declare the Wisdom which we have received from Christ and God our Teacher and tell thee The Fear of God is the Beginning of it R. W. And thou runnest over and over about the Immediate Teaching of the Spirit of God within and art quarreling with the Immediate Spirit of God to G. F.'s Answer to T. H. And thou say'st again R. W. Their Spirit will tell us That God and Christ c. New Covenant and Faith and Holiness c. are all in Prison in every Man Answ. How often hast thou spoken this over and over in thy Book which are thy own Forged Lies aud not my Words as the Reader may see in my Books there is no such thing in my Book or Writings for they are Words I never heard afore For Christ is ascended far above all the Heavens and sitteth at the Right Hand of God you cannot Imprison him or his Father though his Light ye may hate and his Spirit ye may grieve and quench but as I said before it will Judge and Condemn you And we do confess The Spirit of Truth will lead us into all Truth and to God and Christ from which it cometh though thou Scoffingly say'st Round in a Conjuring Circle That Christ brings to Christ c. which yet thou confessest To be True What! hast thou brought thy self into the Conjuring Circle howbeit the Light that cometh from Christ doth give us the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Christ Jesus and this is Scripture the Apostles Doctrine R. W. saith The Lord boasts of his Servant Job to the Devil to be a Perfect Man as the Quakers urge Job 1. but God School'd him for his Pride and Impatience c. by Elihu and his own Voice and Job Confessed his Pride and Ignorance and abhorred himself and professed he would prate no more and abhorred himself as in Dust and Ashes And G. F. in his Book abhors the Term of Dust and Ashes c. with a many more Railing Words Answ. That is False for G. F. no where in his Book abhorreth Dust and Ashes as the Reader may see And R. W. what an Ill Garb hast thou put God's Words in here I charge thee and the New-England-Priests That God and Elihu did School Job or that God boasted let us see Scripture for this Doth Job mention the Word PRATING thou canst not speak Scripture-Language who art out of the Fear of God and Reverence of his Words for if thou did'st thou wouldst not Add so to them and speak that which they do not speak to corrupt Peoples Minds For the Lord saith That there is none like Job in all the Earth and Vpright and a Perfect Man one that feareth God and escheweth Evil Job 2. and it is said In all this Job did not sin with his Lips in all this Job did not charge God foolishly in his Sufferings Job 1 22.2 â—0 But thou say'st God and Elihu School'd him for him Pride but thou hast not shewed us Chapter and Verse for it so they be thy own Words Job saith no such thing of God That he School'd him for his Pride and Impatience though Job did Humble himself and what he said we own and God to him R. W. Thou say'st If it please God to shew him to wit G. F. and me truly what Sin is and what Justice is and what an Infinite Price must pay for the least Evil Thought c. if it please God by any of these Means he useth to imprint these and other such Heavenly Considerations upon our Souls we shall then for all our Pretences cry out with Peter Depart from me for I am a Sinful Man and with Job in Dust and Ashes But I fear G. F. is so taken up with with his Sitting with Christ in Heavenly Places with Immediate Dictates of his supposed Holy Spirit that God's Speaking thus to Poor Worms after the way of Men and by these Outward Means stinks in his Nostrils which if so and so Irrecoverably I desire and desire all that love God and their own Salvations to flee from him as from Korah's Pride and his Plagues for his Vial is pouring on him in Spiritual Judgments and shall be pouring out on him in Spiritual and Corporal Torments to all Eternity Answ. How now R. W Is R. W. got up in the Seat of God like Muggleton turn'd a Reeve and Muggletonian doth not Christ tell thee Thou must not Judge lest thou be Judged and Thou must Pluck the Beam out of thy Own Eye before thou pluck'st it out of thy Brothers And hast thou forgot thy self that thou werest Praying to God
we dare not for all the World to Assert that which R. W. hath Affirmed here to wit That the Blood of Christ is Corruptible and did Corrupt for we know that we are Redeemed not with Corruptible Things c. but with the Pretious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without Blemish and Spot 1 Pet. 1 18 19. 3. R. W. affirmed That Salvation was by a Man that was Corruptible I do not say Corrupted So far R. W. J. B. Answered and said to this purpose I desire not to grate upon the Antient Man but am sorry that he should so over shoot himself as he hath done so far to deny Christ and undervalue his Appearance both Inward and Outward as to say That Christ within was but a Fancy and a false Christ as he then affirmed and That Christ without was Corruptible contrary to the Apostle who said His Flesh saw no Corruption And also of his Appearance without Who then also said That his Blood was Corruptible and Corrupted as I believe many of the people that was there may yet remember I shewed then how that he had brought upon himself that Charge and proved himself Guilty of that for which he endeavoured to Condemn us And I spoke at that time of our Owning of the true Lord Jesus Christ in his Appearing in that Body and of his Suffering and Resurrection according to the Scriptures And also of his Spiritual Appearing in his Saints after his Ascension according to the Promise of Christ and the Testimony of his Apostles as I then brought many Testimonies out of Scriptures to maintain and prove the same And so signified fully to the people of our true Owning of Christ and there bore Testimony against his dangerous Words that he had then uttered before them in speaking contrary to what is written of Christ's being Corruptible and his Blood and was as I then signified truly sorry that he should so sin against God and Christ and wrong his own Soul 1. And now how could W. E. do any otherwise but Charge R. W with Blasphemy against Christ his Body and Blood For he affirmes that the Light of Christ is an Idol a Fancy a Frantick Light and Christ within an Imaginary Christ as ye may see in many places of his Book 2 He affirmes That Salvation was by a Man that was Corruptible and that this Blood was Corruptible and Corrupted Now we do Charge R. W. and all the New-England Priests together with those Baptists that took his part against us at Rode-Island and Providence at the Dispute to make those his Assertions good by Scripture if they can which we do affirm are Blasphemies and show us Chapter and Verse which he saith is the Rule and Touchstone and so let his Horrible Blasphemies be Touched and Tried with Scripture For David saith Psal. 16. My Heart is glad and my Glory rejoiceth my Flesh also rests in Hope for thou wilt not leave my Soul in Hell neither wilt thou suffer thy HOLY ONE to see Corruption And again the Apostle saith who spoke of the Resurrection of Christ That his Soul was not left in Hell neither Mark his FLESH did see Corruption Act. 2 27 31. And Act. 13 34. Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see Corruption David saw Corruption but he whom God raised again to wit Christ saw Mark NO CORRVPTION Now if R. W. and the New-England-Priests be Redeemed by a Corruptible Man and a Corruptible Blood that did Corrupt this is contrary to what the Apostle saith His Flesh saw no Corruption and They were not Redeemed with Corruptible things but with the Pretious Blood of Christ. So it is clearly proved that Christ his Flesh and Blood is not Corruptible but Incorruptible And therefore R. W.'s Corruptible Man and Corruptible Blood that did Corrupt by which he pretends he is Saved is a false Christ and not the Christ the Apostles preached the true Lord Jesus whose Flesh and Blood did not Corrupt And if the Flesh and Blood of Christ as R. W. affirmeth be Corruptible then how is he in Heaven with Corruptible Flesh and Blood when the Apostle saith Corruption doth not inherit Incorruption 1 Cor. 15 50. Christ sanctifieth the people with his own Blood Heb. 13 and 1 Pet. 1 2. the Saints were sprinkled with the Blood of Jesus and 1 Joh. 1. that Blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all Sins and Revel 1. He hath washt us from our Sins and Christ hath Redeemed us to God by his Blood Rev. 5 9 and the Saints Garments were made white in the Blood of the Lamb Rev. 7 and the Saints Overcame by the Blood of the Lamb Rev. 12 11 and Christ saith Who eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood c. and My Blood is Drink indeed Now was it Corruptible Blood oâ— Corruptible Flesh that the Saints did Eat and Corruptible blood which cleanseth from all Sins and made the Saints Garments White by which they Overcame O Horrid Darkness For will not corruptible stain and not fetch out the Stain And the Saints were to have Faith in Christ's Blood Rom. 25 The Saints are made Nigh to God by the Blood of Christ the Flock of God which Christ hath purchased with his own Blood Act. 20 28. NOW if this be the New-England Priests Principle Profession and Judgment that they be Redeemed by a corruptible Man and the Blood of Christ Jesus was Corruptible and Corrupted then they that have tolerated R. W.'s his Blasphemous book to be printed that held forth those Abominable things in his Dispute before a great Assembly of people at Newport in Rode-Island how can we say otherwise but they are â—lasphemers and own not the true Lord Christ Jesus whose Flesh saw no corruption neither was his Blood corruptible And therefore we do Conclude with the Apostle that R. W. and they that held forth this Doctrine with him are such as have Trodden under Foot the Son of God and counted the Blood of the New Covenant wherewith they were sanctified an Unholy Thing and have done Despite unto the Spirit of Grace and have Crucified to themselves the Son of God a-fresh and put him to open Shame Now see if this Man R. W. that hath spoken those Blasphemous Words against Christ Jesus his body and Blood and Spirit and Light is fit to take the Name of Christ in his Mouth And yet this Man he brought this Saying of the Priest to be G. F.'s to prove That our Christ was not the true Christ Which words proving to be the Priest's and not G. F's he R. W. stood by them and maintained them against us And so by his own Argument and Judgement by the same Rule and Words that he would have disproved ours he hath prov'd His own Christ not to be the True Christ. But should we the People of God in Scorn called Quakers have come and preach'd in New-England and told you that you were Saved by a Man that was Corruptâ—ble and that Christ's
Blood was Corruptible and Corrupted and that you were Washt and Cleansed by such a Blood then ye might have said What a Hellish Doctrine is this indeed Which we abhor and such Doctriâ—es as R. W. hath preached to us in the Dispute And our Desires are that the Lord God of Heaven may deliver all people from such Doctrines Of all the Doctrines that ever we read we never heard the like And this is New-England's Orator that so doth Flatter the King But let the King but read his former Books and his Book of the Bloody Tenant in 1652. and there he may see R. W. was in another Mind when he flattered the Parliament and justified their High Court of Justice against the Opposers And yet he pleadeth for Liberty of Conscience and against Persecution But R. W. is fallen from that Plea who now desireth the Magistrates to persecute us and punish us c. and it must not be called Persecution neither as in his pag. 200. And many things we could bring out of his former Books which would render him very Vncertain but we shall forbear at present and leave him to the Lord for his Books declare themselves what he said then and what he saith now But the Reader may see how R. W. hath invented and Forged many Words against us the People of God in Scorn called Quakers which we never spake nor wrote so that they are none of ours but his own And of those his own invented blasphemous Words he hath made an Image and set it up and hath proclaimed an Herault against it and us but is fallen upon him self And so the Light of Christ he calleth Fancy and a Dunghil a Feigned Whimsical Light a Frantick Light and an Idol and he hath affirmed that the Man Christ is Corruptible and his Blood is Corruptible and Corrupted And this is like the Priest's Saying which R. W. hath printed in his Book p. 57. because we say Christ is in his People viz. Can any Man Contain Christ a Man of four Foot long Might not the Bad and Ignorant people like him have said so to Paul when he told them Know ye not that Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates So thou art Ignorant of Christ and his Spirit how he dwelleth in his people and art far degenerated from the Apostle's Doctrine else R. W. would never have brought this against us as to say We did not own the true Lord Jesus because that a Man cannot contain a Man of four Foot long in him therefore Christ doth not dwell in the Hearts of his Saints by Faith But this is a gross Ignorance and Error from the Apostle's Doctrine For we never asserted That a Man should contain a Man of four Foot long this is the Priest's Doctrine and not ours who are the People of God And have not the New-England-Men Priests and Professors Burn'd Scriptures yea many very good Scriptures when they Burn'd our Books which were full of Scriptures and how could they Burn them without Burning Scriptures Yet we cannot but believe we have so much Charity that all the people nay all the Professors in New-England are not of the same wicked Judgment with R. W. and the rest of the New-England-priests and professors whose Hands have been deep in the BLOOD of our Brethren So our Design is all that are Simple and Tender-Hearted and have a Love to the true Lord Jesus Christ whose Flesh saw no Corruption and doth Redeem with his Pretious Blood and not with Corruptible things that they may Repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ who saith Learn of me who is the Way the Truth and the Life and No Man cometh to the Father but by him And God saith This is my Well-Beloved Son Hear ye him And so we say Hear him by his Light Grace and Truth and do not hate his Light nor turn his Grace into Wantonness nor quench his Spirit least the Light be your Condemnation For we declare unto you God will pour out his Fury upon all the Families upon Earth that call not upon his Name And God saith In the last Days which are the Days of his New Covenant he will pour out of his Spirit upon all Flesh That so with his Spirit they may call upon his Name from whom they have both Help and Strength through Jesus Christ who is the Beginning and Ending the First and the Last who is manifest in his People by his Light Grace Power and Spirit through whom they can Sing HALLELVIAH and PRAISE THE LORD And R. W. saith Append. p. 76. I observe the Instrumental and Purchasing Cause or Price is said to be his Blood which argues the Infinite Value of his Sufferings in which Respect only it is called the Blood of God I know the Light Esteem that some of these Foxians have of the Blood of the Lord Jesus saying That wicked Men the Soldiers shed it that it was spilt upon the Ground and there was no difference between that Blood and the Blood of another Saint Answ. R. W. We desire thee to observe if it be us whom thou meanest in thy scornful Word Foxians how thou chargest upon us a Light Esteem of the Blood of the Lord Jesus in sayiny That wicked Men shed it and that it was spilt upon the Ground and that there was no difference between that Blood and the Blood of another Saint Which Charge we do believe is false like the rest of thy Charges and the Matter we do disown from ever entering into our Thoughts to think much less to speak of his Pretious Blood by which we have been Redeemed That there was no difference between that Blood and the Blood of another Saint For none are Saints but such as are Redeemed by it and have Faith in it and therefore is above the Blood of all Saints But Roger recollect thy Thoughts and call to mind thy own Sayings at Newport if thy Memory be so good as thou in thy Book seemest to hold forth in writing things from thy Memory for thou say'st None writ for thee And when thou hast reviewed thy lines in page 76. of the Append. and called thy Words at Newport into Remembrance and then see if this saying be not fulfilled upon thee The Wise are taken in their own Craft In thy Book thou say'st It is called the Blood of God though at Newport thou said'st It was Material Blood as another Man's and was Corruptible and Corrupted and further said'st Thou did'st not know but that the Fowls or some other Creatures might eat it up How now Roger Art not thou now fallen into the Pit thou digged'st for others As thou did'st at Newport when thou charged'st the like thing upon G. F. and thought'st thereby to prove our Christ not to be the true Christ which upon Trial did prove to be the Sayings of the Priest And when thou found'st it to be his Sayings and G. F.'s to the Contrary than that which thou had'st Condemned in G.
lin Errors Corrected 3 14 utill until 4 29 hot an hot 8 1 fitst first 23 3 book See Part. 2. p. 249. 26 23 thought thought'st 28 5 p. 26. p. 36 38 5 and out out  ib. book books 39 30 Bunion Bunyan 41 12 Candlesticks Golden Candlesticks 70 6 Sandering Slandering 84 33 lissen listen 89 39 Chrfst Christ 97 5 Panrel's Parnel's 119 40 139 109 127 2 I. Stub J. Stubs 145 15 Believing Unbelieving 170 37 same some 201 31 Cause Case 221 29 Simitude Similitude 229 33 107 207 231 23 Lrod Lord 232 16 a made II. Part. Pa. lin Errors Corrected 12 23 written Law Law written 35 18 must it must ib. 19 a Christian blot out a 56 37 Scripures Scriptures 75 37 preaching teaching 78 12 have blot out 84 5 saith say'st 85 36 received receive 91 28 R. W. Answ. R. W. 101 34 to seek and seek 109 2 Spirit Spirits 106 18 Dothan Dathan 111 26 Immediate Immediates 119 21 G. F. G. F. his 126 9 blot out from 131 20 qnâ—â—ry query 134 36 blot out mind 138 30 there there are 146 28 very every 154 40 saying and paying 176 15 disseit on this side 180 1 blot out every 209 6 pupose purpose 211 11 lasphemers Blasphemers Tit. p R W 's Contradiction Epistle to the King Epistle to the Quakers Epistle to R. B. pag. 1.2 R. W's Contradiction pag. 4. pag. 5. pag. 6 pag. 7.8 pag. 9 pag. 22. pag. 23. p. 24. p. 25. pag. 26. pag. 27. pag. 28. pag. 29. pag. 30. pag. 31 p. 32.33 pag. 34 p. 35. p. 38.39 pag. 40 p. 41. p. 42. p. 43. p. 44. p. 45 p. 46. p. 47 p. 48. p. 49. p. 50. p. 51. p. 52. p. 53. p 54. p. 55. p. 56. p. 57. p. 58. p. 59. Let the Reader see if there be any such word as Humane Nature of Christ in 1 Cor. 10 pag. 60. pag. 61. p. 62 p. 63. p. 64. pag. 65. p. 66. p. 67. p. 68. p. 69. p. 70. p. 75. And is it not a Contradiction that thou say'st The Complainant brought substantial Proof so far as he proceeded and that the Defendants also broughâ— substantial Defence in what was substantial p. 76. p. 77. p. 78. R. W.'s Third False Charge pag. 79. p. 80. p. 81. p. 82. pag. 83. pag. 84. p. 85. p. 86. pag. 87. pag. 88. pag. 89. pag. 90. p. 91. p. 92. pag. 93. p. 94. * Worse Vsage than Paul had among the Heathen-Romans Act. 28.30 and at Malta Matth. 28.13 14 15. p. 95. p. 96. p. 97. p. 98. p. 99. p. 100 p. 101. p. 102. p. 103. p. 104. p. 105. p. 106. p. 107. p. 108. p. 139. p. 110. p. 111. p. 112. p. 113. p. 114. p. 115 p 116. R. W. is turned an Atheist p 117. p. 118. p. 119. p. 120 p. 121 p 122. p. 123 p. 124. p. 125. p. 126. p. 127. p. 128. p. 129. p. 130. p. 131. p. 132. p. 133. p. 134. p. 135. p. 136. p. 137. p 138. pag. 139. pag. 140. p. 142.143 p. 144. Seâ—â—ow is W. dâ—tes â—ere p. 146. p. 147. p. 148. pag. 149. pag. 150. pag. 151. pag. 152. p. 153. p. 154. p. 155. p. 156. pag. 157. p. 158. pag. 159. p. 160. p. 161. p. 162. p. 163. p. 164. p. 165. p. 166. pag. 167. pag. 168. pag. 169. pag. 170. p. 171. p. 172. p. 173. R. W. proveth himself and his New-England-Professors no true Christians p. 174. p. 175. p. 176. p. 177. pag. 179. pag. 180. p. 181. p. 182. pag. 183. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Within p. 184. p. 185. pag. 186. p. 187.188 pag. 189. p. 190. p. 191. p. 192. p. 193. p. 194. p. 195. pag. 196. pag. 197. pag. 198. R. VV.'s Blasphemy p. 199. pag. 200. pag. 201. pag. 202. p. 203. p. 204. p. 205. pag. 206. p. 107. p. 208. p. 2. p. 3. p. 4. p. 5. p. 6. p. 7. p. 8. p. 9. p. 10. p. 11. R. W's Contradiction and the Saints had Faith before Scripture was p. 12. p. 13 p. 14. p. 15. p. 16. p. 17. p 18. p. 19. p. 20. p. 21. Here R. W confesseth Immortality in this Life and yet he denyeth it unto us p. 22. p. 23. p. 24. p. 25. p. 26. p. 27. p. 28. p. 29. p. 30. p. 31. p. 32. p. 33. p. 34. p. 35. p. 36. Psal. 116. Psal. 139. Jonah 2. p. 37. p. 38. p. 39. p. 40. p. 41. p. 42. p. 43. p. 44. p. 45. p. 46. p. 47. p. 48. p. 49. p. 50. p. 51. p. 52. p. 53. p. 54. p. 55. * Here he quotes G. F's Words falsly saying Seeds we manifest to makâ— them Non-sense which are not G. F's Words p. 56. p. 57. p. 58. p. 60. p. 61. p. 62. p. 63. p. 64. p. 65. p. 66. p. 67. p. 68. p. 69. p. 70. p. 71. p. 72.73 p. 74. * Is this Good Sense Roger p. 75. p. 76. p. 77. p. 78. p. 79. Here thou wrongest G F's Words for his Woâ—ds are Christ is the Door and the Life which maketh an â—nd of Sin c. and G. F's Words are not That Christ is the Door that discovereth Sin p. 80. p. 81. p. 82. p. 83. p. 84. * Is this Good Sense 〈◊〉 p. 85. p. 86. p. 87. * And yet in thy book called Experiments 16â—2 thou callest the Holy Spirit the Two-edged Sword Epistle Dedicar to Lady Vane see his Contradiction here p. 88. * And yet in another Place R. W. saith The Scripture is of no Value without the Spirit p. 89. p. 90. p. 91. p. 92. * Observe Here R. W. c. maketh the Apostle Korah who turned People from Darkness to the Light Act. 26 18. p. 93. p. 94. p. 95. p. 96. p. 97. p. 98. p. 99. p. 100. p. 101. p. 102. p. 103. p. 104. p. 105. p. 106. p. 107. Should Christ Command that which is Impossible to be attained to p. 108. Note Is not this a Ranters Principle of R. W â—s p. 109. p. 110. p. 111. p. 112. p. 113. p. 114. p. 115. p. 116. p. 117. p. 118. p. 119. * From hence he might as well Argue That the Flesh of Christ being Material was therefore Corruptible which is contrary to the Apostle's Doctrine Act. 2 31. Neither did his Flesh see Corruption * Yet in another place in his Book R. W. doth affirm That he is Redeemed by the Blood of God which Blood he saith is Corruptible * Blasphemy R. W.'s Charity as he eaâ—ls it to the Quakers * R. W.'s Horrid Lies R. W.'s persecuting Spirit * Note R. W.'s presumptuous and censorious Perverâ—â—ous of Scripture-word deduced from his most-False and Abusive Inversions upon the Quakers pag. 62. where he most-blasphemously and unnaturally Inverâ—s and Argues Thâ—â— because the Saint are God's Temple therefore they must be God himself and bâ—cause Christ dwells in his Saints therefore they must be Christ himself and therefore our Flesh is God and Christ. See what blasphemous Stuff this Person hath brought forth which he most-unjustly Inveâ—â—s upon the Quakers when 't is not at all deducible from any of their Opinions or Principles We can challenge him herein for a forbid blasphemous Perverter which would the more easily appear if he durst shew those Principles of the Quakers from which he thus Inverts and Inferrs upon them those blasphemous Inferences for adhearing to the Apostle's Doctrine viz The Saints are the Temple of God and God dwells in them and Christ in them c. * But nothing proved * Can the Work of the Fatâ—â—r be destroyed Is not this Blasphemy * Can Heaven Earth and Hell be tumbled together Is not Hâ—aven God's Throne Is not this Blasphemy to say To 〈◊〉 down Heaven Earth and Hell together R. W.'s Prayer for himself and G. F. Muggleton's Curse Yet R. W. has publish't this Lie Gentiles Testimonies Testimonies of the Fathers