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&_o mist_n prove_v with_o a_o multitude_n of_o testimony_n with_o great_a ostentation_n that_o which_o we_o romanist_n do_v not_o deny_v nay_o we_o all_o ingenuouslie_o confess_v that_o the_o true_a church_n must_v not_o of_o necessity_n be_v always_o eminentlie_o &_o flowrishinglie_o visible_a yet_o never_o so_o obscure_a &_o cover_v which_o cloud_n but_o that_o the_o professor_n of_o it_o may_v be_v find_v &_o name_v even_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o her_o great_a mist_n for_o we_o say_v with_o saint_n ambrose_n 2._o li._n 4._o hex_z cap._n 2._o videtur_fw-la sicut_fw-la luna_fw-la deficere_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la deficit_fw-la she_o seem_v to_o fail_v like_o the_o moon_n but_o she_o do_v not_o fail_v obumbrari_fw-la potest_fw-la perire_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la she_o may_v be_v obscure_v but_o she_o can_v perish_v so_o that_o in_o this_o section_n sir_n humphrey_n in_o steed_n of_o a_o egg_n give_v we_o a_o scorpion_n &_o in_o lieu_n of_o prove_v the_o church_n to_o have_v be_v so_o obscure_a &_o latent_fw-la that_o none_o of_o her_o member_n can_v be_v find_v &_o name_v he_o only_o or_o chief_o produce_v the_o error_n &_o heresy_n of_o those_o who_o do_v most_o impugn_v &_o obscure_v she_o 611._o in_o so_o much_o as_o both_o those_o who_o be_v call_v &_o those_o who_o where_o choose_v by_o christ_n do_v err_v grievous_o both_o in_o manner_n &_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n by-way_n page_n 611._o nay_o it_o seem_v his_o passion_n do_v so_o much_o transport_v he_o that_o rather_o than_o fail_v of_o his_o purpose_n of_o impugn_v the_o absolute_a visibilitie_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n he_o lay_v violent_a hand_n even_o upon_o the_o holy_a apostle_n accuse_v then_o that_o they_o err_v both_o in_o doctrine_n &_o manner_n as_o in_o his_o 611._o page_n the_o reader_n may_v see_v in_o plain_a term_n to_o omit_v that_o all_o or_o most_o of_o the_o author_n which_o he_o cite_v be_v either_o of_o his_o own_o profession_n &_o obtrude_v in_o among_o the_o 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certain_a place_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o same_o suppose_a declination_n of_o the_o pope_n &_o church_n but_o so_o ridiculous_o &_o corrupt_o that_o on_o the_o one_o side_n a_o man_n of_o judgement_n that_o read_v it_o will_v hardly_o abstain_v from_o laughter_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_n he_o will_v be_v sorry_a to_o see_v the_o divine_a word_n of_o god_n so_o profane_v &_o abuse_v especial_o by_o those_o who_o so_o much_o brag_v of_o the_o scripture_n that_o they_o will_v scarce_o vouchsafe_v to_o read_v any_o other_o book_n but_o pure_a bible_n and_o to_o the_o end_n the_o knight_n counterfeit_v proceed_v in_o this_o particular_a may_v appear_v i_o will_v rehearse_v one_o instance_n or_o two_o that_o by_o they_o the_o reader_n may_v consider_v of_o the_o rest_n page_n 670._o how_o come_v it_o
have_v a_o implicit_a faith_n of_o all_o those_o object_n which_o they_o now_o confess_v themselves_o to_o believe_v according_a to_o that_o deductive_a manner_n or_o else_o they_o have_v no_o faith_n at_o all_o of_o they_o before_o they_o be_v deduce_v whence_o it_o far_o follow_v that_o ever_o since_o they_o make_v their_o foresay_a illation_n or_o consequence_n their_o faith_n be_v new_a and_o quite_o distinct_a from_o their_o own_o faith_n in_o former_a time_n the_o absurdity_n of_o which_o most_o necessary_a sequel_n i_o remit_v to_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o reasonable_a and_o judicious_a learned_a reader_n to_o determine_v by_o occasion_n of_o this_o i_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o take_v yet_o more_o clear_a notice_n of_o the_o great_a perversitie_n of_o the_o preposterous_a novellist_n who_o as_o they_o reveile_v their_o violence_n in_o reprove_v the_o foresay_a receive_a doctrine_n of_o implicit_a or_o inexpress_v faith_n so_o likewise_o they_o be_v no_o less_o peremptory_a 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