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all_o spurious_a one_o as_o blondel_n himself_o and_o for_o your_o better_a direction_n you_o may_v see_v the_o name_n of_o blondel_n in_o the_o margin_n without_o any_o addition_n of_o book_n or_o chapter_n though_o a_o huguenot_n confess_v the_o prayer_n for_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o element_n be_v that_o god_n will_v by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n sanctify_v the_o element_n whereby_o the_o bread_n may_v be_v make_v the_o body_n and_o wine_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o for_o this_o he_o cite_v st._n basils_n liturgy_n cyrill_n hieros_n mystag_n catech._n after_o that_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a cyrill_n alexand._n ep._n ad_fw-la calosyr_n and_o greg._n nyssen_n orat._n catech._n and_o here_o we_o have_v all_o that_o pretend_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n except_o optatus_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o altar_n be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n now_o the_o mischief_n be_v first_o that_o all_o these_o author_n 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to_o celebrate_v holy_a prayer_n and_o mystery_n clara_fw-la &_o vernaculâ_fw-la voce_fw-la so_o that_o the_o vulgar_a may_v understand_v tell_v they_o out_o of_o the_o apostle_n to_o what_o little_a putpose_n it_o be_v to_o do_v it_o otherwise_o and_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o only_o be_v accountable_a for_o it_o at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n but_o punish_v by_o he_o also_o upon_o transgression_n of_o this_o command_n four_o we_o deny_v that_o the_o latin_a tongue_n be_v the_o most_o public_a in_o europe_n or_o that_o there_o be_v any_o fitness_n that_o the_o service_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v in_o all_o europe_n in_o that_o language_n which_o be_v most_o public_a and_o what_o if_o the_o latin_a tongue_n be_v understand_v which_o yet_o be_v not_o always_o true_a by_o those_o that_o frequent_o recite_v the_o prayer_n sect._n 18_o even_o as_o the_o unknown_a tongue_n which_o s._n paul_n so_o vehement_o cry_v down_o be_v understand_v by_o he_o that_o speak_v it_o what_o 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