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A85228 Certain considerations of present concernment: touching this reformed Church of England. With a particular examination of An: Champny (Doctor of the Sorbon) his exceptions against the lawful calling and ordination of the Protestant bishops and pastors of this Church. / By H: Ferne, D.D. Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F789; Thomason E1520_1; ESTC R202005 136,131 385

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bishop_n advance_v in_o the_o 9_o against_o our_o english_a protestant_n bishop_n and_o labour_n what_o he_o can_v more_o indeed_o then_o all_o his_o fellow_n beside_o to_o make_v their_o vocation_n or_o ordination_n unlawful_a to_o that_o end_n arise_v defect_n in_o ordination_n how_o arise_v he_o lay_v this_o as_o the_o groundwork_n on_o which_o his_o whole_a discourse_n must_v proceed_v that_o ordination_n which_o give_v lawful_a call_n to_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n must_v be_v valid_a and_o right_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o ordainer_n of_o the_o ordain_v and_o of_o the_o ordination_n itself_o or_o form_n of_o it_o and_o that_o a_o defect_n in_o any_o of_o these_o render_v the_o ordination_n and_o so_o the_o call_n of_o the_o party_n ordain_v unlawful_a cap._n 9_o pag._n 308._o we_o admit_v the_o consideration_n of_o those_o three_o respect_n as_o proper_a and_o pertinent_a to_o the_o business_n in_o hand_n and_o do_v grant_v that_o there_o may_v be_v such_o a_o defect_n 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