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the_o creed_n and_o why_o 6._o no_o particular_a church_n have_v power_n to_o reform_v what_o be_v universal_o teach_v and_o receive_v 7._o the_o protestant_n synod_n at_o london_n 1562._o neither_o general_n nor_o free_n 8._o gerson_n and_o all_o his_o other_o proof_n fail_v the_o bishop_n 9_o protestant_n never_o yet_o have_v either_o true_a church_n or_o council_n 1._o we_o be_v again_o tell_v that_o protestant_n do_v not_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o be_v thrust_v out_o by_o she_o without_o cause_n what_o the_o cause_n of_o their_o expulsion_n be_v we_o have_v already_o declare_v and_o shall_v not_o refuse_v here_o again_o brief_o to_o repeat_v it_o be_v because_o by_o their_o heretical_a doctrine_n and_o schismatical_a proceed_n they_o have_v first_o separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n and_o become_v both_o unworthy_a and_o uncapable_a any_o long_a of_o her_o communion_n they_o have_v raise_v a_o new_a separate_a and_o mutinous_a faction_n of_o 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pope_n alexander_n how_o sharp-sighted_a therefore_o our_o adversary_n be_v in_o his_o observation_n against_o we_o appear_v by_o this_o but_o see_v these_o fork_a syllogism_n 〈◊〉_d so_o dilomma_n be_v sometime_o call_v by_o logician_n be_v such_o currant_n coin_v with_o his_o lordship_n it_o will_v not_o i_o hope_v be_v think_v unreasonable_a if_o we_o pay_v he_o one_o for_o many_o thus_o than_o i_o argue_v either_o the_o bishop_n know_v his_o relation_n touch_v peter_n lombard_n to_o be_v false_a or_o he_o know_v it_o not_o if_o he_o know_v it_o not_o his_o ignorance_n in_o a_o point_n wherein_o he_o will_v seem_v know_v be_v hardly_o excusable_a and_o his_o temerity_n in_o affirm_v without_o sure_a ground_n such_o a_o thing_n as_o this_o to_o the_o scandal_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o a_o synod_n of_o three_o hundred_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n by_o his_o own_o confession_n altogether_o unblamable_a if_o he_o know_v it_o to_o be_v false_a and_o yet_o will_v affirm_v what_o he_o do_v where_o be_v his_o honesty_n the_o like_a be_v to_o be_v say_v of_o his_o 〈◊〉_d touch_v pope_n 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o eight_o general_n council_n define_v against_o honorius_n there_o be_v a_o mistake_n in_o it_o for_o neither_o do_v pope_n honorius_n real_o maintain_v the_o monothelite_n heresy_n nor_o do_v we_o maintain_v but_o in_o a_o question_n of_o fact_n as_o this_o be_v viz._n whether_o the_o say_a pope_n have_v real_o assert_v that_o heresy_n both_o the_o pope_n and_o a_o general_n council_n through_o misinformation_n or_o other_o jucident_n may_v judge_v amiss_o the_o bishop_n proceed_v ask_v we_o in_o the_o next_o paragraph_n to_o this_o effect_n that_o since_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n infallibility_n have_v be_v so_o easy_a a_o way_n either_o to_o prevent_v all_o division_n about_o the_o faith_n or_o to_o end_v all_o controversy_n of_o that_o nature_n whensoever_o they_o shall_v arise_v why_o this_o brief_a but_o most_o necessary_a 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council_n for_o it_o probable_o at_o least_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o their_o 〈◊〉_d disputation_n upon_o that_o subject_n to_o omit_v scripture_n wherein_o we_o confess_v there_o be_v no_o express_a mention_n of_o the_o pope_n but_o only_o of_o s._n peter_n in_o who_o right_a the_o pope_n succeed_v what_o think_v you_o of_o the_o council_n of_o 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o that_o council_n seem_v to_o say_v in_o effect_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v infallible_a when_o upon_o read_v of_o his_o 〈◊〉_d to_o they_o in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d heresy_n the_o 〈◊〉_d assembly_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d out_o with_o acclamation_n 472._o and_o profess_v that_o st._n peter_n who_o be_v infallible_a speak_v by_o the_o may_v of_o leo_n and_o that_o the_o pope_n be_v interpreter_n of_o the_o apostle_n voice_n what_o think_v you_o of_o the_o council_n of_o 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o the_o father_n in_o that_o council_n seem_v to_o attribute_v infallibility_n to_o the_o pope_n when_o they_o acknowledge_v latin_n that_o st._n peter_n be_v head_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o he_o stilll_v 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d cause_n of_o faith_n in_o and_o by_o his_o successor_n the_o bishop_n of_o 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o damas_n st._n hierome_n seem_v to_o make_v pope_n damasus_n infallible_a when_o speak_a of_o he_o and_o his_o particular_a sea_n he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n upon_o this_o rock_n i_o know_v the_o church_n which_o can_v 〈◊〉_d fail_v or_o fall_v away_o from_o the_o 〈◊〉_d faith_n be_v build_v 92._o do_v not_o st._n austin_n do_v the_o same_o with_o the_o whole_a council_n of_o 〈◊〉_d when_o beside_o their_o own_o suffrage_n which_o be_v but_o of_o a_o particular_a provincial_a council_n they_o require_v nothing_o but_o the_o 〈◊〉_d sentence_n only_o to_o the_o full_a and_o effectual_a condemn_v of_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n do_v he_o not_o speak_v also_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n dovat_fw-la when_o he_o 〈◊〉_d that_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o roman_a bishop_n be_v that_o very_a rock_n 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the_o teacher_n be_v presuppose_v to_o the_o infallibility_n of_o his_o doctrine_n as_o without_o which_o this_o latter_a can_v not_o subsist_v or_o be_v believe_v by_o us._n thus_o we_o conceive_v the_o relatour_n achilles_n be_v fall_v and_o true_o it_o may_v seem_v much_o that_o in_o all_o his_o discourse_n he_o shall_v take_v no_o notice_n of_o this_o answer_n to_o this_o objection_n which_o be_v common_o give_v by_o divine_n be_v it_o because_o he_o know_v it_o not_o or_o want_v a_o sufficient_a reply_n but_o this_o be_v but_o as_o it_o be_v the_o prologue_n to_o the_o play_n the_o relatour_n main_a business_n be_v about_o the_o priest_n intention_n concern_v which_o he_o first_o of_o all_o positive_o lay_v down_o that_o it_o be_v not_o of_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n so_o as_o to_o make_v it_o void_a though_o the_o priest_n thought_n shall_v wander_v from_o his_o work_n at_o the_o instant_n of_o use_v the_o essentials_n of_o a_o sacrament_n yea_o or_o have_v in_o he_o a_o actual_a intention_n to_o scorn_v the_o church_n after_o which_o he_o tell_v we_o a_o story_n how_o learned_o a_o neapolitan_a bishop_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n dispute_v against_o the_o common_a opinion_n viz._n which_o hold_v the_o priest_n intention_n to_o be_v necessary_a himself_o press_v the_o grand_a inconvenience_n which_o he_o think_v will_v follow_v if_o any_o such_o intention_n be_v hold_v to_o be_v essential_o necessary_a in_o these_o word_n namely_o that_o then_o no_o man_n shall_v be_v able_a to_o secure_v himself_o upon_o any_o doubt_n or_o trouble_v in_o his_o conscience_n that_o he_o have_v true_o and_o real_o be_v make_v 〈◊〉_d of_o any_o sacrament_n whatsoever_o no_o not_o of_o baptism_n and_o so_o by_o consequence_n be_v leave_v in_o doubt_n whether_o he_o be_v a_o christian_n or_o no._n i_o shall_v speak_v first_o to_o his_o principal_a assertion_n which_o be_v that_o the_o priest_n intention_n be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o the_o essence_n or_o validity_n of_o the_o sacrament_n if_o it_o be_v not_o i_o desire_v a_o reason_n of_o our_o adversary_n why_o we_o shall_v not_o think_v a_o priest_n consecrate_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n as_o much_o at_o a_o table_n where_o there_o be_v wheaten_a bread_n before_o he_o and_o that_o either_o by_o way_n of_o disputation_n or_o read_v the_o 26._o chapter_n of_o st._n matthew_n he_o pronounce_v the_o word_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la as_o he_o do_v at_o the_o altar_n what_o be_v here_o want_v to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n according_a to_o the_o relatour_n principle_n here_o be_v the_o true_a form_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la here_o be_v the_o true_a matter_n wheaten_a bread_n he_o that_o pronounce_v the_o form_n be_v a_o true_a priest_n and_o yet_o in_o all_o man_n judgement_n here_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n make_v some_o thing_n else_o therefore_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n beside_o what_o be_v here_o find_v and_o what_o can_v that_o possible_o be_v if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o intention_n which_o the_o church_n require_v you_o will_v say_v perhaps_o that_o the_o outward_a circumstance_n at_o least_o must_v show_v to_o the_o stander_n by_o that_o the_o priest_n real_o intend_v to_o make_v a_o sacrament_n i_o answer_v first_o if_o it_o be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a that_o such_o a_o intention_n shall_v be_v have_v why_o be_v it_o absolute_o necessary_a it_o shall_v be_v signify_v second_o i_o deny_v that_o any_o such_o external_a signification_n by_o circumstance_n be_v essential_o necessary_a to_o a_o sacrament_n may_v not_o a_o catholic_a priest_n to_o save_v the_o soul_n of_o some_o die_a infant_n baptise_v it_o if_o he_o can_v without_o make_v any_o such_o signification_n by_o circumstance_n may_v he_o not_o upon_o pretence_n that_o he_o have_v skill_n in_o physic_n and_o that_o it_o be_v good_a for_o the_o child_n to_o have_v its_o face_n often_o sprinkle_v with_o cold_a water_n take_v occasion_n himself_o ever_o and_o anon_o to_o be_v sprinkle_v the_o child_n face_n and_o at_o one_o time_n among_o the_o rest_n to_o pronounce_v either_o soft_o or_o by_o way_n of_o discourse_n the_o word_n ego_fw-la te_fw-la 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n with_o intention_n to_o confer_v the_o sacrament_n and_o will_v any_o man_n doubt_v but_o that_o the_o priest_n do_v this_o out_o of_o a_o real_a intention_n to_o baptise_v the_o child_n be_v real_o baptise_a though_o none_o of_o the_o stander_n by_o take_v notice_n by_o any_o circumstance_n of_o what_o that_o priest_n do_v i_o ask_v therefore_o if_o in_o this_o case_n a_o true_a sacrament_n be_v make_v though_o no_o circumstance_n do_v outward_o signify_v that_o the_o priest_n intend_v to_o make_v it_o why_o be_v it_o not_o likewise_o so_o in_o the_o other_o case_n viz._n where_o a_o priest_n have_v due_a matter_n wheaten_a bread_n before_o he_o pronounce_v the_o 〈◊〉_d or_o word_n of_o 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