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A08707 The ansvvere of the vicechancelour, the doctors, both the proctors, and other the heads of houses in the Vniversitie of Oxford (agreeable, vndoubtedly, to the ioint and vniforme opinion, of all the deanes and chapters, and all other the learned and obedient cleargy, in the Church of England.) To the humble petition of the ministers of the Church of England, desiring reformation of certaine ceremonies and abuses of the Church. University of Oxford. 1603 (1603) STC 19011; ESTC S113819 26,966 50

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proceedings as these factious persons haue beene audatiously venterous praeposteriously heddy to manifest their malice thereby to distract and draw the people from their loue liking of the present state Wherevnto wee were the rather invited by the commendable example of our Reverend brethren of the Vniversitie of Cambridge who to make knowne their dislike of these such like factious Schismatikes haue passed a grace in their publicke Congregation to this effect Placet vobis A grace passed in the Vniversity of Cābridge Iun. 4. 1603. against factious Puritaines vt quicunque doctrinam vel disciplinam Ecclesiae Anglicanae vel eius partem aliquam dictis aut scriptis aut quocunque alio modo in Academiâ Cantabrigiensi publicè oppugnaverit ab omni suscepto gradu suspendatur à suscipiendo excludatur ipso facto By which their wise and necessary Decree they haue not only encouraged vs vnto this our Apology but with all assured vs that both they themselues and as we conceaue many thousands moe of the iudicious and obedient Ministers of this land are readie to giue vs the right-hand of fellowship in this worke and willing to subscribe vnto the same if the cause did necessarily require it or the time would permitte But your Lordships know right well that Truth obtaineth no great auctoritie by the many voices that acknowledge it at once And for our parts we vtterly condemne the course that these Schismatikes have therein taken Who to bolster out their stale obiections and false calumniatiōs have trudged vp downe diverse Shires to get the consent of they care not whom so they may make vp the tale and pretend a number In which kind that was a notable Stratageme which farre besides the Authors purpose we did light vpon of late May it please your Lordships to haue patience while wee propose it and so leaue it to your Honorable censure H. I. a man that was of ordinarie partes of as ordinary place when he lived among vs is now it seemes become a principall Agent and a speciall Procurator of the publicke cause among the factious He much mistaking in his strong conceipt that to insinuate with a man of wisedome woulde bee sufficient to fetch him over to that side Writes vnto one of eminent sorte among vs after this fashion MOreover I am to let you vnderstād that many learned and godly Ministers a a Scilicet in Iune when their Petition was Exhibited in April before are about to exhibite to the Kings Maiestie a Petition for the Reformatiō of things amisse in our Church wherevnto a consent of as many as cōveniently we can get is very behooueful My opiniō trust is cōcerning you that you will be not only a partaker but also a furtherer of this Christiā duty I have sēt you here inclosed the forme to be subscribed by all such as have good will to this purpose I pray you let me have an answere hereof from you as soone as you may vvith so manie of your well affected friendes handes therevnto as shall bee thought good It is not intended that your names shall bee rashly shewed to any mans preiudice but be reserved to a fit opportunity if we shall perceive that they altogither being brought forth will further our desires suite Of the good successe whereof we conceave good hope thanks be to God Thus beseeching God to keepe and sanctifie vs for his service and to give vs vvisedome in all thinges Ibid you hartely farewell VVoodstreete in London the XXX of Iune 1603. Yours to his power H. I. Post script I could wish you to conferre with D. A. about this matter Thus much of the Letter Now the Forme to be subscribed vnto is this VVe whose names are vnder written doe agree to make our humble Petition to the Kinges Maiestie that the present state of the Church may bee farther reformed in all things needefull according to the rule of Gods holy worde ●nd agreeable to the example of other reformed Churches which haue restored both the Doctrine Discipline as it was delivered by our Saviour Christ and his holy Apostles Your Lordships see the manner of the men This collusion and coven were very base betweene man man But for them thus to vse their Soveraigne first to give him a Petition in the name of a Thousande and then to scatter it abroad with this glosse Of the good successe of our suite we do conceaue good hope thanks be to God Therby ex post facto to begge and steale as many hands to it as could be got this is such stuffe as wee will passe over with reference to that of Tully vnto Antonie a Philip. 2. Tu autem eò liberior c. It is the advantage some Men have that they dare to do such things as a modest Adversarie cannot well reprove But it is suteable to the Imputations they have laide vpon their late Princes governement And now also whē his Maiesty shall frustrate their vaine imaginations they have lefte their olde wont if some of them doe not verifie that of the Poet Fermentum quae semelintùs Pers Satyr 1. Innata est rupto iecore exibit Caprificus Howsoever the Thing that we would specially obserue out of this Script is in the māner of Subscriptiō Where hence it doth most plainely appeare that the particulars specified in the Petition are not the vtmost End whereat they aime they haue another marke All thinges needefull according to the rule of Gods VVord agreable to the example of other reformed Churches is their Vp-shot But is it so indeede Why They of the Petition desire onely Reformation of certaine Ceremonies and Abuses They neither as factious men affect a Popular Paritie in the Church nor as Schismatickes aime at the dissolution of the State Ecclesiasticall their humble suite is that the offences follovving may bee removed amended qualified They good men desire That vvhich shall be preiudiciall vnto none but c. It is true The voice of the Petition might seeme to be the voice of Iacob though the hands of the Subscription appeare plainely to be the hands of Esau were it not that there is also a Clause in their Petition Now that we have their owne exposition of it we can observe it and that it is repeated thrice for failing viz. These and some other vsed These and other such like These vvith other such Abuses which houldeth very good correspondēcy with the forme of Subscription Heeretofore we could not tell what to make of those wordes and therefore made them no answere They seemed vnto vs a very Nemo Scit a Mathematike Line diuisibilis in semper devisibilia but now vpon this new Advertisement having cōpared thē we finde them Paralele to those All things needfull c. in the Subscriptiō Which tell vs plainly They wil never have an end till either they have set vp the Presbitery Or else be cut of by Authority The
third last remarkeable matter which we humbly referre vnto your Lordships due regard is a certeine Semblance which in this our halfe yeares silence vvee haue observed in two contrary Factions that haue shewed themselues by their Petitions discontented with the praesent State Ecclesiasticall Government namely in the Papists and the Puritants VVe will vse their owne style and come as neere as we can to their very words 1 They Both intitle themselues the Kinges afflicted subiectes and aboue all other his devoted servants 2 They Both pretend an enforcement of a speedy recourse to his Maiestie for a present Redresse and Reformation 3 They Both cōplaine of being overwhelmed with enduring persecution through losse of Living Liberty 4 They Both ground their Doctrine and Discipline vpon the sacred text of Gods word and Gospell 5 They Both condemne the obedience of Protestantes to the Lawes Established to bee not for Conscience and zeale but for Morall honestie and feare of temporall punishment saith the Papist For their owne quiet credit and profit in the world saith the Puritaine 6 They Both renoūce a publicke alteratiō dissolutiō of the State Ecclesiast but the one pleads for a private Toleration the other forsooth for a Godly Reformation 7 They Both deny that they exhibite their Petitiōs with a tumultuous spirit or with a disloyall Schismatical minde Of vvhich their Semblable Assertions in arguments so opposite we might say in a word as the Orator doth of contrarie Opinions It cannot be that more then one of them should possiblie bee true but it is very possible that both may bee false Yet we rather take vp that in the Booke of * Iud. 15.4 Iudges and say of them and their designes Verily these men are like Samsons Foxes They have their heades severed indeed the One sort looking to the Papacy the Other to the Presbiterie But they are tyed togither by the tailes vvith fire brandes betvveene them Which if they bee not quenched in time are able to set the whole Land in a Combustion and Vprore IF in any of these or in them all there do appeare vnto your Lordships such matter of moment as might move men of care some discretion to write in defence of themselues and the present State if in our manner of writing wee haue held that hand not by way of large discourse but as the brevity of Notes will suffer which doth beseeme a modest and ingenuous answere if in neither of them there be any thing so offensiue or defectiue or impertinent but that vnder the winges of your Honorable Patronage it may passe into the Presence of his Excellent Maiestie and there attend his most iudicious and learned Censure yet so attempered with his rare singuler mildnes as in it he is wont to accept the duty service of his meaner Subiects then and not otherwise we beseech your Lordships that of your wonted favour you will accompany it with your gracefull Presence and as the Argumēt of our religious Affectiōs in al humility present it to his Highnes then wee entreate that in the Honorable regard you have of those Noble partes of this Church which God hath specially betaken into your Protectiō in the loyal remembrance you retaine of Her Maiestie that late was and her happie Government in the bounden dutie you owe to his Maiestie that nowe is and the Well doing of his whole Kingdome in the Pietie and zeale which you beare to God his Church and to his sacred truth you will take occasion heereby All as one man ioyntly to imploy that great Grace and high Favour which God hath given you in the eies of your Soveraigne to the present supporte of Religion maintenaunce of Learning defence of the Church strengthening the State setling the mindes of the People establishing peace and tranquillitie in the Land by taking the Foxes the little Foxes vvhich marre our Vines that they beare small Grapes and by chasing away the wilde Boare of the Wood and the Beastes of the Forrest that otherwise would eate them vp and vtterly destroy them So God shall take Pleasure in your Care and Conscience the King in your faithfull Service his Subiects shal dwel safe vnder the shadow of his Wings and we your Clients shall send this testimony after you Many Patrones of the Clergie many Chauncelours of the Vniversities have done vertuously but These surmoūted them all Now the God that giveth both Glorie and Grace give your Lordships all manner of Graces fitte for your High Callings in this World and That farre most excellent and eternall waight of Glorie in the World to come Your Lordships in all dutie The Vicechancelour the Doctors the Proctors and other the Heades of Houses in the Vniversitie of Oxford To the Reader IMmediately after the Printing of our answere to the Petition there came vnto vs a very kinde and wel-penned Letter concerning this matter Which wee might not suppresse though it bee but rudely here inserted without great iniury to that whole Vniversity and no lesse detriment vnto the cause it selfe JNDORSED To the Vicechancelour and others of the Vniversity of Oxford CVm nuperrimè quidem serò admodum ad aures nostras pervenisset fama de libello Regiae Maiestati pro reformandà scilicet Ecclesià à Ministris mille vt perhibentur exhibito et si nihil in eo novi reperiretur cui non plus millies antehàc responsum sit tamèn quoniam numerum iactant vt intelligerent Millenarij isti Si Saulo mille adstent Davidi in hac causa decies mille nunquam de futuros nihil prius habuimus aut antiquius quam vt Operi omni responsione indignissimo aliquod tamen responsum pararemus Quod dum meditamur defertur ad nos Academiae Oxoniensis Apologia certè disertissima quae rationum momentis brevissimè refutaret quicquid ab Istis tanto anteà labore confectum esset aut confictum Qua conspecta nihil nobis reliqui videbatur quos ita anteverterat Fratrū nostrorum in causa optima zelus industria prompta satis parata ad hominum levissimorum ictus omnes vel ex tempore refellendos quàm cum illi pondere certassent argumentorum nos numero quo Isti maxime gloriantur pugnaremus Quod anteà quasi divinantes praevidimus providimus Cum enim defuncta Elizabetha Regina optima in causa optima quod in muliere prope singulare est inauditum semper constantissimâ semper eâdem non tam Principis Religiosissimae interitum religionis si non intereuntis at summè certè periclitantis casum deplorare quam in adventum Regis novi novas res meditari Isti caepissent in dies moliri peropportunè succurrendum censuit Academia convocato senatu frequenti admodum celebri decernendum vt Quicunque Ecclesiae Anglicanae doctrinam vel Disciplinam vel ejus partem aliquam legibus publicis stabilitam scriptis vel dictis