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A17219 Questions of religion cast abroad in Helvetia by the aduersaries of the same: and aunswered by M. H. Bullinger of Zurick: reduced into .17. common places. Translated into Englishe by Iohn Coxe. 1572 Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; Coxe, John. 1572 (1572) STC 4074; ESTC S113230 103,005 301

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did set on Moses chair could haue deriued the petigree of their succession from them selues euen vnto Aaron but bicause their life and Doctrine did not agrée with the life and Doctrine of Aaron and other godlye Priestes their succession auailed nothing against Christ and his Apostles neyther were Christ and hys Apostles false Doctoures or disseuered from the true Churche bicause they were not able to proue theyr succession as the Pharisies coulde For the woorde of God and the institution of Christ was sufficient for them Wherefore sith euen wée also now haue on oure side the woorde of God and the institution of Christe there is no succession of Bishoppes that canne proue vs to be no Christians or to be oute of the true Churche The Histories of Popes and other like Prelates which are written yea euen by theyr beare frendes and defendoures doe sufficiently ●e●●●ie that almost al of them haue obtained this dignitie and place by moste ●ilt●●e meanes by Symonie wi●ked artes violence murthers and tray●erous conspiracies wherefore if it woulde ple●le them a little more narowly to consider héereof they shoulde ●●nde by better aduise there were no i●lt cause to bragge of theyr succession but rather to burie the same in silence sith by it their euilles and horrible filth●●esse is so clearly detected But God hathe ●one this to the ende the truthe might be reuealed and the go●ly warned to gather them selues together vnder our head Christe and into hys true Churche In times paste aboute a thousande yeares agone it was an vsuall kinde of speache amongste the Fathers to say The Apostolike seate the Sea of Antioche of Alexandria of Rome But by the name of sea or seat they did not vnderstande only the seate or place oute of the which the Bishoppes ●f those Cities did teache but rather the Doctrine which the Apostles and their Disciples preached first in those cities Wherfore the ancient Bishops which by lawfull election obtained any of those seats did preache defend publishe and preserue in the church the Apostolicall doctrine and that oute of the wrytings ▪ of the blessed Apostles But where is nowe I pray you the Apostolike seate Where are the bookes and preachings of the Apostles Where is theyr holy life What Doctrine teache they and in what sorte liue they now which boast of the Apostolike seate Teache they and gouerne they not contrarily to the Apostles Doctrine There is no néede to speake muche of it heere for all men sée it and knowe it yea they finde by experience that they are so shamefully wandered from the Apostles that if nowe the sayde Apostles and holy Bishoppes of the primitiue churche shoulde come amongste them and beholde the pride and pompe which these Prelates vse in their gouernemente they woulde not onely disalowe them for theyr successoures but also accuse them for their ennimies And Paule truely speaketh very well of this kinde of succession of Prelates in the. 20. of the Actes of the Apostles For I knovve sayth he that after my departure ther vvil come amongste you gredy vvolues not sparing the flocke Moreouer of your ovvne selues shall men arise speaking peruerse things to dravv disciples after them But when Paule spake these things where I pray you was there a more holye congregation than his disciples And yet notwithstanding he sayth Oute of you yea euen oute of your ovvne selues there shall come euill and wicked men which shall scatter and destroy the flocke of Christe Wherfore it is no wonder to hear that at Rome other places there were in times past holy Bishops in whose places now succéedeth most wicked men corrupte bothe of doctrine and lyfe And in that parte addeth that these things shall shortly come to passe after his departure or deathe we may easily perceiue that to be of no force which the Popish Prelates so often alleage saying It is impossible that errors should be of so long cōtinuance in the Church neither that God woulde suffer errors so long to remayne And agayne that it is impossible that in those places wherein the Apostles haue preached and so many godly Bishoppes haue bin resident all corruption and abhomination should now altogither reigne But all men sée what the state and conditions of these things are yea and moreouer with greate gréefe and sorowe I speake it it is euident vnder what gouernement and in what miserable corruption the auncient and chiefest churches of the East partes are nowe in these dayes But of all these things the blessed Prophetes and Apostles haue spoken and forewarned vs to the ende we should not thereby be offended nor seduced by any The. vj. Question Whether they do beleeue that the christian Church is not only visible but also inuisible The Answere IT behoueth in this place to vse some distinction For the congregation of the saincts which are in heauen althogh we behold them with-the eies of our faith desire to be coupled with thē in the rest ioy which they possesse yet are they inuisible to the faithfull which liue here on the earth touching the bodily sight Furthermore ●ith God alone knoweth the harts that he only knoweth who are faythfull and who not and bicause many doo boste them selues to bée faythefull whiche notwithstanding are nothing so but are mere hipocrites which thing none séeth but God alone yea and bycause many tymes men iudge those to be wretched ●inners and abiectes from God which yet neuerthelesse are not separated frō him but are better affected in their heart towards God than we doo know and are also knowne to him only therfore in respect hereof also the church of Chryst is called inuisible Agayne bycause the vniuersall churche of Chryst can neuer be gathered togither that we may wholly see it before the la●●e day and iudgemente of our Lorde Jesus Chryst it is also called inuisible But she is not called inuisible as though s●e were not at all for we doo willingly confesse that vpon this earth the church of Chryst is visible also For it is euident that the congregations of the Corinthians ▪ Ephesians Philippians c. are called of Paule the church and we know also that euery one of those faithfull in those churches were visible althogh yet neuerthelesse the spirit those spiritual gifts which they had were inuisible but when they shewed foorthe them selues by the exercises of sundry vertues But what needed this questiō Or what profite cōmeth thereby to the faythful Truly it tendeth ●o th●● e●de the Popes and Prelates desire to bée accompted the visible Church and hereby would fayne haue all power and authoritie to bée conueyed ouer vnto them The. vij Question Whether they do beleeue the Church of Rome to be the true catholike Church The Answere SE héere I pray you their purpose for to this ende groweth the drifts of all their arguments namely to haue vs confesse the Churche of Rome which now is and the head therof
authoure namely that all menne should come to the Sée of Rome to finishe all controuersies of religion and that they should take al interpretations from the Popes holinesse But if the church of Rome were now as frée from errors as was the church in that time when Paule and Barnabas came thither we would not be ashamed to require and take answeres from hir But bicause the doctrine church which Peter planted in Judea is in this our age neither to be founde in Rome or at Jerusalem and they of Rome are rather founde like vnto those of whom Peter prophesied in the seconde chapter of his seconde Epistle we therefore by good right ought to depart from that church And yet doe we not spoile eyther the churche of Peter or the aunciente doctrine of their due honoure for we doe followe the true and aunciente Doctrine and churche of Peter and séeke to haue all controuersies of Religion iudged by the doctrine of Peter and the other Apostles Wherefore lette these Romishe harlottes looke rather vppon their owne wallet and diligently consider what greate honoures they giue to S. Peter and his seate and Churche which haue chaunged the same into a market of marchaundise and sincke of al horrible sinnes as al the world may sée and eache godly man dothe greatly lament In dede Paul spake his minde first in the councell at Jerusalem but what would yée therewith Knowe yée not that he accused his aduersaries and therfore it behoued him to speake first But yet I maruell muche that yée attribute not the cheefest place in thys councell to S. Peter For your contention is onely for the cheefest place the greatest pompe and glory For these men haue quite forgotten that doctrine of Christe saying Hee that vvill bee greatest amongst yee lette him be your seruaunte and submitte himselfe vnder all if he vvill enter into the kingdom of heauen And therfore me thinketh they are like to the Pharisies of whō Christ speaketh in the gospel saying that they loue the vppermost ●eates and to be reue●enced of men But that they maye see me will denye them nothing that may iustly appertaine vnto them lette them endeuoure firste to be made like vnto Paule and Peter and then will we gladly giue them the cheefest place But if they be not suche then is there no cause why they should brag vnto vs of their holynesse and great titles for we may knowe them euen as the rotten trée is knowne by his frutes Further more the holy Ghoste was in that councell at Jerusalem for so it is written in the fiftienth of the Actes But what maketh that for you Or what doth it further your cause For it foloweth not that the holy Ghoste is in al your councels as we haue sufficiently proued already And againe we doe not call in Question the things which are inspired giuen by the holy Ghost but those things onely which you and your forefathers haue fayned oute of your owne braines and so thruste vpon the church contrary to the word of god But if you estéeme the holy Ghoste so much as you beare the world in hande yée do why then obey yée not the things which by his inspiration he hath deliuered For in the councell of Jerusalem in which the holy Ghost was present thus is it decreed It seemeth good to the holy ghost and to vs that vve lay no more burthen vppon you And why I pray yée haue not you and your forefathers obserued this Why haue yée laid so intollerable burthens on the backes of the poore Christians Why call yée vs heretickes for that we goe about to restore the churche to her former libertie and deliuer the same from these intollerable burthens But if those your ordināces are so necessary to saluation why thē do not you your selues obserue the same Truely you manifestly declare your selues to be of the number of those of whome our Lord said They lay heauie burthens vpon the shoulders of other men but they vvill not touche one of them vvith their little finger Matth. 23. The sixtienth Question Whether the church of Christe haue decreed any thing against or contrary to god and that thē they shewe the same in what pointes it consisteth The Answere WE haue already sufficiently spoken concerning the holy christian churche which dependeth only vpon the word of God and therefore we haue not either to charge or accuse the same But as cōcerning the late vpstarte church of Rome we not only accuse it of diuers crimes but also haue already shewed that euidently what shée wanteth and wherfore we forsake and accuse hir The fourth Common place Of Free will. The seuententh Question Whether men haue not fre wil to doe good and euil The Answere THis Question touching the frée wil of man is the very ground foundation of that proude and arrogant doctrine concerning the merites of man as though there were any good in vs of our owne selues or as thoughe we were able to doe good fréely by our owne power for the which God muste néedes let vs haue eternall life But yet the holy scripture teacheth vs an other lesson how that man cā not do any good thing as of him selfe neither by all his power accōplish any good For his vnderstanding and frée will not being regenerated is so fowly blotted and defaced in him by his first trāsgression and so wrapped in sinne and wickednesse that euen by nature he is caried hedlōg vnto al manner of euil so as he is made very vnfit and vnapte to goodnesse And then what libertie or free wil can be attributed to such a man S. Paule saith The wisdome of the fleshe is an enemie to God neither is it subject to the lavve of God neither can it be Read the third Chapter also of his Epistle to the Romanes But who so euer is borne a newe by grace throughe the operation of the holy Ghoste of him is this saying of Christe to bee vnderstanded He vvhich dothe sinne is the seruaunte of sinne But if the same haue made you free then are you free in dede That is you are made frée from sinne the diuel death and damnation that fréely and with good will by the operation of the holy ghost and not by cōpulsion you might do the good thing which you do And they whiche are so redéemed and indewed with Christian libertie they attribute not the good which they doe vnto their owne power and frée will but to the grace of Christe and to the holy ghost which worketh the same in them For Christe saythe in the fiftienth of Jhon He that abideth in me and in vvhome I abide he bringeth forthe muche frute for vvithout me you can doe nothing And S. Pauls saith in the second Epistle to the Corint and third chapter we are not able to do any good thing of our selues as of our selues but all our habilitie thereunto commeth of God. And in an other