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A19461 A modest and reasonable examination, of some things in vse in the Church of England, sundrie times heretofore misliked and now lately, in a booke called the (Plea of the innocent:) and an assertion for true and Christian church policy, made for a full satisfaction to all those, that are of iudgement, and not possessed with a preiudice against this present church gouernment, wherein the principall poynts are fully, and peaceably aunswered, which seeme to bee offensiue in the ecclesiasticall state of this kingdome. The contentes whereof are set downe in the page following. Covell, William, d. 1614? 1604 (1604) STC 5882; ESTC S108881 174,201 234

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lament for them because they are with God This stoicall age need not this doctrine it is sinne to forget that wee are friends and christians 20 The Priest praieth for the Prince and the people answere of another matter That praier which wee offer vp for that power vpon earth which doth rule ouer vs if the people answere with this voice and mercifully heare vs when wee call vpon thee is no fault to bee done and peraduenture were a fault not to bee done Litle things will offend them who can bee so curious to mislike this 21 Crossing in Baptisme Popish And yet to Baptise vsing the signe of the Crosse is not popish Wee are not of their mind who thinke the crosse whereupon Christ suffered was like Pithagoras letter neither is this crossing a sacrament though it put vs in mind of our manfull fight vnder the banner of Christ crucified wee vse it not as bestowing a grace vpon vs but thankfullie remembring what was done for vs a Signe that may be vsed amisse wee can forbeare if it please the Church but in the meane time wee can and doe vse it with obedience beecause wee doe know how 22 That all may bee saued all trauailing by land or by water It were pittie but their mouthes were stopt who forbid vs to pray that all men may bee saued It is the reuealed will of God and although wee know that all are not yet beecause wee know not exactly who are and that our desire is extended without exclusion equally to all in that sence as our sauiour willeth so wee wish and desire that all men may bee saued for those that trauell if a blessing come vpon them whilst they trauel to good ends by land or by water and this for our prayer the church hath an interest by the communion of Saints if they trauel to euil ends and finde successe this mercie serueth to make them better and therfore as wee pray that God would strike through the loynes of those who rise vp against him and against his annoynted so whilst wee know not definitiuely who are such Indeffinitly wee pray for his defence to all those which trauell by land or by water where politick respects or Gods reuealed will particularly forbid not ther Charitie commandeth for to pray for all 23 Bells and Organs are from Popes To refuse them for that reason were rather mallice then wisdome for seeing the one calleth by the sound the people to the Temple the other by sounding furthereth the prayse of God in the temple it is not their author that can be a reason to make vs mislike either they ayme at some other end whom so harmelesse inuentions can so much displease That wee worthely lamenting our sinnes may obtaine of thee perfect remission they tell vs not in this what they doe mislike and therefore wee will accept of their gentle allowance wherein they say this requireth a fauorable exposition that the words were well ment as they were appointed for vs. 24 On Christmas day it is said thou hast giuen vs thy Sonne this day to bee borne of a Virgin the same words wee vse all the weeke after as if Christ vpon euery day had bene borne a new I hope it is not the memorie of his Natiuitie that doth displease them If this day when perhaps it was not be that which in this they do mislike the Church tyeth no man to so strict an acception of this day as if it were ment this verie particuler day but that it may without offence bee vnderstood of the solemnitie of that feast if they haue learned to think and to speake otherwise wee haue no such custome neither the Church of God 25 Scripture openly abased to shew a necessitie of Baptisme from that place except a man be borne againe of water and of the Spirit Wee hope a necessitie they will not deny of Baptisme and if this place bee not sufficient to proue it wee will be readie to afford them other if this be that which offends them our interpretation of it other haue told them concerning this wherein their negatiue is all that is alledged that in expositions of Sacred Scripture where a litterall construstion will stand the farthest from the letter is commonly the worst 26 That wee pray for the dead when wee say remember not O Lord our offences nor the offences of our forefathers No but because God punisheth temporallie sonnes euen for the iniquities and transgressions of their fathers as the infants in the flood in Sodome which they well knew who asked our Sauiour who had sinned this man or his father and that wee goe on for the most part to fill vp the measure of our fathers sinnes which must fall heauie vpon vs when it commeth with a double force therefore not for them but our selues wee say Remember not O Lord our offences nor the offences of our forefathers 27 Out of the Collect vpon Sainct Michaels day prayer is made for the help of Angells And why not doth any man think that they doe not help vs beeing ministring spirits and seeing he hath giuen his Angells charge ouer vs may not wee pray to haue their assistance wee onely aske them as Christ thinkst thou that I cannot pray to my father and hee will giue moe then twelue legions of Angells If any thing bee misliked beesides these these being but small occasions of so great a difference our Church doubtlesse hath many which are able and wil be willing to giue them what satisfaction they can demaund but if it offend them beecause it is auncient or solemne or sober or charitable wee are sory for their weaknesse but wee had rather offend them then the whole Church of God CHAP. XIIII ¶ Of Tolleration of diuers Religions and how far discenting opinions from the true Christian faith may and ought to bee permitted in one and the same kingdome THere are few kingdomes in the world which haue not at some times diuersities of religion nourished and brought vp in the bosome of them for the enuious man whilst others sleep is watchfull and diligent to sow Tares these vsually either in mercie or for their nearenesse to that which is good are suffered to grow till the time of haruest If naturall bodies of men either had no diseases or that rest were not sometimes auaileable to procure their health Wisdome were a vertue in Phisitions of litle vse and vndoubtedly patience would bee thought Sloth But seeing the eyes of councell in all euills that are looke not so much what they be as what they may bee and that the best perfection which humane indeuours doe or can receiue is from that leysurable maturitie that times affoord moments and instants being onely fit either for powres infinit or for weaknesse that is furthest from them all men haue as much reason not ouer hastely to censure what the wisest doe as the wisest haue warrant and example not ouer hastelie to performe