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A79570 The church-man and the Quaker dialoguing: with a reply to an answer to a late pamphlet, called, A sober dialogue between a Scotch Presbyterian, a London church-man, and a real Quaker 1699 (1699) Wing C3997; ESTC R231838 14,460 32

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that he knows that there are diversities of Gifts but the same Spirit and differences of Administrations but the same Lord and diversities of Operations but it is the same God which worketh all in all and that he is taught according to Scripture to distinguish but not to divide the Gift from that Spirit nor the Illumination from Christ For although this Answerer saith The Quakers common answer is That Christ cannot be divided He matters not that so long as it 's true neither heeds he the Commonness of it Was that Faith er'e the Less True and Saving which Paul calls the common Faith Titus 1.4 Or that Salvation not Compleat or Sufficient of which Jude wrote because he writes after the Common Salvation see Jude What Idle Impertinent Scribble doth this Man make about Common Light Common Illumination and being Saved by the Light within without any thing else Now if he could prove that Christ without and Christ within could be divided which he grants he cannot he might do something towards proving that Christ that lighteth every Man within and shews Man Sin by his Light within was not able to save without something else but Christ when he had preached himself the Light of the World bid or commanded That they should believe in the Light that they might be Children of the Light and Children of the Day And may we not well conclude that those that answer his Command take his Counsel and Believe and Abide in him the Light will be saved It 's not all G. K. and his Friends twisting twining and confidently crying out of Gross Ignorance Error and Blasphemy nor his calling to the Clergy and their applying to the Parliament against the Quakers and their and the Presbyterians Independents and Baptists telling the Parliament If F. B. writes true which I suppose no Man that hath a Grain of Charity can believe he doth they are sorrowfully affected that the Quakers are joyned with them in the Toleration But it shews what G. K. and those he herds with would be at They want the Toleration to be taken away from the Quakers and pretend that the Professors are sorrowfully affected that they are joyned with them according to F. B's Sheet lately delivered to the Parliament but I do not believe he either truly represents the Conformists or Nonconformists therein but abuseth and belyes both as he doth the Quakers For if it were true the Professors then would seem to be willing to do that with a Toleration which they did not do when under Persecution viz. Stand alone But away with such Deceit all his idle Clamours about being saved by Christ within without something else for those that receive and believe in him that is Christ the Light will not cannot do not in the least Slight Undervalue Disesteem or Disbelieve what he did for them without them and now doth for them in Heaven but Own Honour and Esteem of the Lord Christ in all his Offices and bless him for all his Gifts knowing that although there are diversities of Gifts differences of Administrations it 's the same Lord and diversities of Operations but the same God So that the Seed the Lord promised he would give to the Woman and he whose day Abraham saw and rejoyced in that Moses Prophesied of and all the Holy Prophets yea he that was Born of the Virgin Mary wrought Miracles preached himself the Light of the World suffered and died for our Sins and rose again for our Justification is one and the same Christ and Saviour And therefore all the Noise Clamours Slanders false Accusations and Misrepresentation of prejuced Spirits and their Insinuations so the contrary can never hurt the Quakers nor do I esteem that what the other hand saith of the Light viz. in his Advice p. 16. 7. viz. I have often known that some which have been reproved by that Light have greatly rejoyced believing it to be a Sign that their Consciences are yet alive and not made Shipwrack of Is this any proof that Christ the Light is not sufficient to Save without Something Else or any thing else besides himself whom God hath given to be a Saviour to all Men but especially to them that Believe And let him in his next shew what that Something or any thing else is besides Christ And it may be well for him and G. K. his Friend if Christ's Light doth reprove them for their Evil Deeds their Passion Strife Hatred Contention Envy and false Accusation if they turn thereat and from those things for which they were reproved But let them remember That he that being often Reproved and hardeneth his Heart shall be destroyed and that without Remedy for if they Sin out their day and will have none of his Reproofs and set at nought all God's Counsel the Lord will laugh at their Calamity and mock when their Fear cometh as Desolation and their Destruction cometh as a Whirl-wind And if that be their States all the Baptists and Priests in England cannot help and deliver them Therefore they had best be wise and consider their Ways and amend their Doings As for the farther advice by another Hand I see little or nothing in it but what was answered in the fore-going except his Blaming the Author for reflecting on what G. K. when he was one of them wrote from which I observe the real Quaker and he is agreed that G. K. is not now one of them And let him in his next tell us what distinct Society of Christian People will own G. K. for one of them and what Name they are called by that it may be known But this is something of a Digression and therefore I return to the Answerer P. 5. The supposed Presbyterian having said That in Men that reproves for Sin is only the Law written in the Heart p. 6. The Church-Man is made to check the Presbyterian and to tell him He fears he does not well consider the word only for if it be granted that it 's Christ as the Divine Word that reproves for Sin as the Quakers say then don't you carry it too far by asserting it 's only the Law Answerer The saying that in Men that reproves for Sin is only the Law hath this true obvious sense without any strain to wit the common Illumination that is in all Men And this sense the Answer saith the Quaker is obliged to hold to if he will follow his greater Patrons G. Whitehead and W. Penn Reply Hath G. W. or W. P. ever said that the True Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World was not Christ or that Christ that True Light was not sufficient to Save without something else or that that True Light Christ that reproves for Sin was only the Law or common Illumination given by Christ and of the Divine Word to all Mankind and was not sufficient to Salvation through Faith in Obedience to Christ this Light and Word did they ever say so I observe in p. 8.