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A04901 A confutation of monstrous and horrible heresies, taught by H.N. and embraced of a number, who call themselues the Familie of Loue by I. Knewstub. Seene and allowed, according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions. Knewstubs, John, 1544-1624. 1579 (1579) STC 15040; ESTC S108097 192,800 286

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perceiue it not palpable was that blindnesse of the men of Ashdod who ceassed not to worship their God Dagon notwithstāding they did see him fallen before the Arke his head lying a parte from his bodie But yet this familie doth farre passe them for they doe bring into the worlde and woorship here as God one H. N who is not remoued a little from his head but vtterly without any head iudgement or sense at all his proofes being generally such as reason and iudgement doe vtterly renounce The Lorde in mercie keepe vs from those sinnes which in due desert doe so close vp our eyes as wee can see no thing at high noone day An other Title which he taketh vpon himselfe is that he is annoynted with the holie Ghoste in the olde age of the holy vnderstanding of Iesu Christ This title he claimeth to be giuen him from the Apostle in the 4. chapter to the Ephesians verse 13. Where the Apostle speaking of the diuersitie of giftes that were in the Church saieth God hath geuen some to bee Apostles some Prophetes some Euangelistes some Pastors and teachers for the gathering together of the saintes c. giuing the reason withall to witte that wee might growe vp to be men in Christ and to be no longer as children readie to bee carried away with euerie winde of doctrine Hee telleth vs then what a good order the Lord hath left in his Church to keepe vs from the daunger of errour and to make vs like men growne to bee strongly stayed in the trueth But we heare nothing what speciall successe this ordinance of the Lord hath had with H N. For what a reason is this Apostles Pastours are giuen of God to keepe his Church from errour and to make them as men strong and stayed in the trueth and therefore H. N. is strongly stayed in the trueth or as it liketh him rather to speake therefore H. N. is annointed with the holy ghost in the olde age of the holy vnderstanding of Iesus Christ Vpon order taken for procuring things to be done H. N. will necessarily enforce that the same are done He might with as good reason say that because there is a law in this lande against theft therefore euerie man liueth iustly and truely of his owne and there is not a theefe to be heard of in this realme For vpon no other warrant then this that order is left in the Church to keepe men staied and strong in the trueth H. N. wil inferre it must of necessitie be that himselfe is stayed in that trueth He proceedeth further in his titles as not taking himselfe sufficiently commended hitherto and affirmeth that he is godded with God in the spirit of his loue and referreth vs for the triall of this title vnto the 21. Chapter of the Reuelation and third verse as vnto the best euidence that he can bring and therefore he hath dealt wisely to leaue the other chapters without anie specialtie In this place the state of the godly is described what it shall be in the life to come to wit that they shall be glorified enioy the presence of their God being freed frō all griefe and paine The wordes of the text be these I heard a great voice out of heauen saying behold the tabernacle of God with men he wil dwel with them they shal be his people God himself shal be their God with thē God shal wipe all teares frō their eyes and there shal be no more death neither sorow neither pain Because it is sayd in the text that God shall be their God with them so that they shall enioy his glorious presence whereas albeit he bee nowe their GOD yet he is not their GOD with them in that glorie which accompanieth the presence of his Maiestie H.N. reasoneth thus God shall be God with his people and therefore H. N. is GOD with God or godded with god It asketh no paines of me in manie woordes to set these two partes asunder that is perfourmed in the same labour that bringeth them togither For it is neuer better seene how white and blacke differ then when they come once to be vewed the one with the other Can not God haue licence to dwell with his people in the life to come except before there shal passe a graunt to H.N. to bee godded or made God with God here in this life or if there were any such compact doeth this place prooue it that hath not so much as a sillable sounding that way Can not God be with them but therevpon it must follow that they bee Godded with him If there were any such thing in trueth as God willing it shal hereafter appeare there cannot be yet this place doth not so much as with a good countenaunce comforte him therein The place being so direct for our comfort in the life to come and for all that by him included within the limits of this life telleth vs that he hath not yet chaunged his iudgement touching euerlasting life but that here in his opinion all that is to be hoped for must be had As for the title it self to be godded with God it is a blasphemie not to be borne And the place from whence they drawe it will not suffer it to bee hidde vnder the proprietie of the Dutche tongue In the next title he challengeth againe that which is proper and peculiar onely vnto Christ in that he is God that is to be the true light of the perfect being For in that place wherevnto hee appealeth for defence after a plaine deniall of Iohn the Baptist to bee the true light it is verified of Christ That he was the true light which lighteneth euerie man that commeth into the worlde Giuing him this prerogatiue aboue Angels and all creatures that hee is the true light shining of and in himselfe whereas all other borow their brightnesse of him What will this man bee ashamed of who dare to say of himselfe that he is that true light which lighteneth euerie man that commeth into the worlde for so be the very wordes of that place wherevnto he sendeth vs what can bee more blasphemous then to lay claime to that which belongeth not vnto Christ himselfe but onely in respect of his Godhead This blasphemie is yet more euident in that which foloweth For there it is thus written God is light and in him is no darkenesse at all therevpon H. N. concludeth himselfe to be the true light These blasphemies if a man should deale with them in desert are rather by open execration to be repelled then to haue the honour of anie entertainment though not otherwise then by confutation Thus much of his person Nowe to his office Touching his office he sayth that he is elected to bee a minister of the gracious worde which is nowe in the last time raised vp by God according to his promises He bringeth nothing for proofe of this his election but passeth it ouer