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A20037 That the pope is that Antichrist: and An answer to the obiections of sectaries, which condemne this Church of England Two notably learned and profitable treatises or sermons vpon the 19. verse of the 19. chapter of the Reuelation: the first whereof was preached at Paules Crosse in Easter terme last, the other purposed also to haue bene there preached. By Lawrence Deios Bachelor in Diuinitie, and minister of Gods holy word. Deios, Laurence, d. 1618. 1590 (1590) STC 6475; ESTC S118248 84,851 202

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not drinke wine nor strongdrinke that ye may put difference betweene the holie and vnholie and betweene the cleane and vncleane This helpeth not an Eldershippe but rather establisheth an Archbishop Deut. 17.8 An Eldership of laie men it can not set vp For Aaron and his sonnes were Priestes The next is out of Deuteronomie If there be anie matter of plea thou shalt come vnto the priests of the Leuites and vnto the iudge that shal be in those dayes And againe that man that will not hearken to the Priest or the Iudge that man shal die This likewise doth ouerthrowe the laie presbyterie and by proportion and like equitie establisheth the Archbishop and the prerogatiue of the Prince And last of all 2. Chro. 19 2. that in the Chronicles maye warrant an hie commission for the whole land but not a presbyterie for euerie parish Thus it sayeth Moreouer in Ierusalem did Iehoshaphat set of the Leuites and of the Priestes and of the chiefe of the families of Israel for the iudgement and cause of the Lorde and they returned to Ierusalem This was generall for the whole kingdome and will not helpe to erect a presbyterie in euerie parish The places of the newe Testament are these The first out of Matthew Matth. 18.17 If he wil not heare them tell the Church If Christ when he spake this had relation to the state of the Iewes hee might meane the generall Synedrion at Ierusalem for particular they had not If the state of the Church to come be vnderstoode then either the gouernors in what forme soeuer it shall bee or else the whole bodie of the Church may be meant but an Eldership of laie persons can not anie waye bee inferred of wordes so generall Another place is in the Epistle to the Corinthians 1. Cor. 5.4 when yee are gathered together by which wordes the whole Church is meant and not anie laie Elders For hee speaketh to them that were puffed vp and shoulde haue sorrowed and those were not Elders onely if there were anie in the Church of Corinth and it is manifest that he writeth to the whole Church And out of the Epistle to Timothie they would fetch an vnteaching Eldership when hee sayeth 1. Tim. 4.14 despise not the gift which is giuen thee by prophesie with the laying on of the hands of Eldership This presbyterie or Eldership Caluine sayeth maye be meant of the office which hee receaued to bee an Elder that is a Minister of the worde and not of anie companie by whome he receaued it And how shoulde wee thinke that the laying on of handes to make a Minister shoulde pertaine to them that are no Ministers After these particular places for their Eldership they haue some also which seeme to inferre these and all their other officers but the chiefe are two The first is to the Romanes Rom. 12.6 Seeing then that we haue giftes that are diuerse according to the grace that is giuen vnto vs whether we haue prophesie let vs prophecy according to the proportion of faith or an office let vs waite on the office or he that teacheth on teaching or he that exhorteth on exhortation he that distributeth let him do it with simplicitie he that ruleth with diligēce he that sheweth mercie with cherefulnes hence they will seeme to fetch all their officers But this none of the ancient fathers none of the learned writers of our time did see till of late This seemeth not exactlie to agree to their plot for first here are three names for doctrine Prophesie Teaching and Exhortation and all maye bee performed by one man Then to Rule and to haue an Office are so generall that they can not bee restrained to the forme and name of such Elders as they appoint To distribute and to shewe mercie either pertaine to all or else if there must be such officers it is not necessarie vnder their names of Deacons and Releeuers nor at all times but as time occasions require Their other place is to the Corinthians 1. Cor. 12.28 God hath ordained some in the Church as first Apostles secondly Prophets thirdly Teachers then them that doe miracles after that the giftes of healing helpers gouerners diuersitie of tongues Here are more then fiue and by no direct waye can these precisely bee hence fetched Apostles Prophets Teachers diuersitie of tongues pertaine all especiallie to doctrine The gift of working miracles and of healing were but for those times Helpers and gouerners are too large names to bring in onely Deacons and Relieuers and Elders into euerie congregation in such sort and order as they prescribe Gouernors wee haue and helpers although wee haue not their Elders nor their Deacons These are the chiefe places whereon their discipline is builded Other they haue in the Actes and to the Ephesians and Timothie and Titus but none of them make the whole number nor the particulars in their forme and especially which is the chiefe they helpe not their Eldershippe of vnteaching persons Now then wee may haue Christs gouernement and seeke his kingdome although wee haue not these officers in these names and this order Their newe officers are not necessarie to the building of the Churche but peraduenture they whome we haue doe pull downe the Church That is their opinion for thus they speake of our estate In steade of these they remaine most seruilely subiect to the Antichristian gouernement of the popish Archbishops Byshops Chauncelors Archdeacons Deanes Commissaries Doctors Proctors Aduocates Notaries Registers Purseuants Cursetors Summoners and from the Apostaticall seate of the Byshops they receaue as Antichristian and false a Ministerie as their Parsons Vicars Curates Hirelings Lecturers Mercenarie preachers All which together with this people stand bounde and subiect to the Byshops Romish courtes of hie commission of faculties of arches of prerogatiues of delegates of their Commissaries and the rest Because wee haue some officers of like name though not all nor of like qualitie as they childishlie imagine They saye neither gouerners nor subiectes neither pastors nor people can bee the Churche of Christ. Foure orders they make here of thinges and persons to bee condemned and remoued First all those that haue Ecclesiasticall gouernement committed vnto them the Byshops and all that doe assist them Secondlie all sortes of Ministers preachers and not preachers Thirdly Ecclesiasticall courts and iudgements Last of all the whole people for being and continuing subiect vnto those If we aske a reason of this their peremptorie sentence wee can perceaue none here but because they are popish and Antichristian If I shoulde confesse this and saye the gouernement is such and defende our Church by the example of the Church in Babylon as one doeth I shoulde iustifie them and condemne our selues I shoulde lye against the trueth and against mine owne soule But thus I saye If these thinges be popish as they doe stand among vs let them bee excluded naye let vs bee excluded out of the