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A09618 The examinacion of the constaunt martir of Christ, Ioh[a]n Philpot arch diacon of Winchestre at sondry seasons in the tyme of his sore emprisonment, conuented and banted, as in these particular tragedies folowyng, it maye (not only to the christen instruction, but also to the mery recreacion of the indifferent reader) most manifestly appeare. Reade fyrst and than iudge. Philpot, John, 1516-1555. 1556 (1556) STC 19892; ESTC S100457 120,727 301

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booke and read the place The which after I had read I sayd it made nothing against me but against the Arriās and other heretiks against whom Ireneus wrote prouīg that they weare not to be credityd because they did teache and folowe after straunge doctrine in Europa that the chefe churche of the same was founded by Peter and Paule and had to his tyme continued by faythfull succession of the faythfull Bishops in preachyng the true Gospel as they had receyued it of the Apostles and nothyng lyfe to the late sprong heretikes c. Wherby he cōcludeth against thē that they were not to be heard neyther to be credited The which thing yf you my lordes be able to proue nowe of the churche of Rome then had you as good autoritie against me in my cause nowe as Ireneus had against those heretikes But the church of Rome hath swarued frō that truthe and simplicitie of the Gospell which it maintained in Ireneus tyme and was vncorrupted frō that which it is nowe Wherfore your lordships can not iustly applie the autoritie of Ireneus to the churche of Rome nowe which is so manifestlye corrupted from the primatiue Churche London So wil you say stil it maketh nothing for the purpose what so euer autoritie we bring and wil neuer be satisfyed Phil. My lorde when I do by iust reason proue that the autorities which be brought against me do not make to the purpose as I haue already proued I trust you wil receyue myne answere worcest It is to be proued most manifestly by al auncient wryters that the sea of Rome hath alwayes folowed the truthe and neuer was deceyued vntil of late certayne heretikes had defaced the same Phil. Let that be proued I haue done worcest Nay you are of suche arrogācie singularitie vayne glorie that you wil not se it be it neuer so wel proued Phil. Ha my lordes is it nowe tyme thynke you for me to folowe singularitie or vaynglorie synce it is nowe vpō daunger of my lyfe and death not onlye presently but also before God to come and I knowe yf I dye not in the true faythe I shall dye euerlastingly again I knowe yf I do not as you would haue me you will kyll me and many thousandes moo Yet had I leuer perishe at your handes than to perishe eternally And at this tyme I haue lost al my cōmodities of this worlde and nowe lye in a colhouse where a man would not laye a dogge with the which I am wel contented Cole Where are you hable to proue that the churche of Rome hath erred at any tyme and by what historie certaine it is by Eusebius that the churche was stablyshed at Rome by Peter and Paule and that Peter was Bisshop .xxv. yeres at Rome Phil. I knowe wel that Eusebius so wryteth but yf we compare that which S. Paule writeth to the Galathiās the first it wil manifestly appere the cōtrarie that he was not halfe so long there He lyued not past .xxxv. yeares after he was called to be an Apostle And Paul maketh mencion of his abidyng after Christes death more then .xviij. yeres Colle What did Peter wryte vnto the Galathians Phil. No I saye Paule maketh mencion of Peter wrytyng to the Galathians of his abiding And further I am hable to proue bothe by Eusebius and other historiographers that the church of Rome hath manifestly erred and at this present doth erre because she agreeth not with that which they wrote The primatiue churche dyd vse according to the Gospel And ther nedeth none other profe but cōpare the one with the other London Hearke my lordes wise parabable I maye compare this man to a certayne man I reade of which fell into a disperation and went into a wood to hang him selfe And when he came there he went vewyng of euery tree and could fynde none on the which he myght vouchesaffe to hang himselfe But I wil not applie it as I myght I praye you maister doctor go forth with him Nother you nor they are hable in this case Colle My lorde there be on euery syde on me that be better hable to answer him And I loue not to falle in disputacion for that nowe a dayes a man shall but sustayne shame and obloquy therby of the people I had leuer shewe my mynde in wrytyng Phil. And I had leuer that you should so do then otherwyse For thē a mā may better iudge of your wordes then by argument And I beseche you so doo But yf I were a ryche man I durst wager an hundreth poundes that you shal not be hable to shewe that you haue sayd to be decreed by a general coūsel in Athanasius tyme. For this I am sure of that it was concluded by a general counsel in Affrica many yeres after that none of Affrica vnder payne of excōmunication should apeale to Rome the which decre I am suer they would not haue made yf by the scriptures it had bene by an vniuersall counsell that all men should abyde and folowe the determinacion of the churche of Rome Colle But I can shewe that they reuoked that errour agayne Phil. So you saye maister doctour But I pray you shewe me where I haue hetherto heard nothing of you for my contentation but bare wordes without any autoritie London What I praye you ought we to dispute wyth you of our fayth Iustinian in the lawe hath a tytle De fide catholica to the contrarie Phil. I am certayne the ciuil lawe hath suche a constitucion but our fayth must not depende vpon the ciuil lawe For as S. Ambrose sayeth Non lex sed fides congregauit Ecclesiam Not the lawe but the gospel sayeth he hath gathered the church together worcest Maister Philpot you haue the spirite of pryde wherwith ye be ledde which wil not let you yelde to the truth Leaue it for shame Phil. Sir I am suer I haue the spirite of fayth by the which I speake at this present Neither am I ashamed to stand in my fayth Glocest What do you thynke yourselfe better learned then so many notable learned men as be here Phil. Elyas alone had the truthe whē there were foure hundreth priestes against him worcest Oh you would be coūted now for Helyas And yet I tel thee he was deceiued For he thought ther had ben none good but him selfe and yet he was deceyued for ther was .vii. hundreth besydes hym Phil. Yea but he was not deceyued in doctrine as the other .vii. hūdreth were worc By my fayth you are greatly to blame that you can not be content to be of the churche which euer hath ben of that faythful antiquitie Phil. My lorde I knowe Rome haue ben there where I sawe your lordship worc In dede I dyd flye from hence thither And I remember not that I sawe you there But I am sorye that you haue ben there for the wyckednes whych you haue sene there peraduēture causeth you to
which sent me vnto you that I should haue ben Iudged the next daye after but promise hath not ben kept with me to my farther grefe I looke for none other but death at your handes And I am as ready to yeld my lyfe in Christes cause as you be to require yt London Loo what a wilful man this is By my fayth it is but folye to reason with him neyther with any of these heretiks I am sorye that you wylbe no more tractable and that I am compelled to shew extremitie agaynst you Phil. My lorde you nede not to shewe extremitie against me onles you lyst Neyther by the lawe as I haue sayd you haue any thing to do with me For that you are not myn ordinarie Albeyt I am contrarie to al right in your prison London Why the Quenes commissioners sent you hyther vnto me vpon your examinacion had before them I knowe not wel the cause But I am sure they would not haue sent you hither to me onles you had made som talke to them otherwise then it becōmeth a christian man Phil. My lorde in dede they sent me hither with our any occasion than ministred by me Only they layd vnto me the disputacion I made in the conuocacion house requiring me to answere to the same and to recant it the which by cause I would not doo they sent me hyther to your lordship London Why did you not answers them therto Phil. For that they were temporal mē and owght not to be Iudges in spirituall causes wherof they demaunded me without shewing any auctoritie wherby I was bounde to answere thē and hervpon they cōmitted me to your prison London In dede I remember nowe you mayntayned open heresy in my diocese wherfore the commissioners sēt you vnto me that I should procede agaynst you for that you haue spoken in my diocese Phil. My lord I stande styll vpon my lawful plea in this behalfe that though it were as great heresie as you suppose it yet I owght not to troubled therfore in respect of the preuilege of the parliament house wherof the conuocacion house is a membre where all men in maters propounded maye fraunklye speake their myndes and here is presēt a gentlemen of the Quenes maiesties that was present at the disputaciō and can testifie that the questions which were there in controuersy were not set furth by me but by the prolocutor who required in the Quenes maiesties name all men to dispute theyr myndes frelye in the same that were of the house Though the parliament house The Quenes gentilman be a place of priuiledge for men of the house to speake yet maye non speake any treason agaynst the Quene nor mayntayne treasō agaynst the crowne Phil. But yf any mater which otherwyse were treasō to speake of yt were it treason for any person to speake therin specially the thing being proposed by the speaker I thinke not The Quenes gentilman You maye make the mater easy inough to you yet as I perceyue yf you will reuoke the same which you did there so stubburnly mayntayne S. asse This mā did not speake vnder reformacion as many there did but agonicos and catagoricos which is earnestly persuasiblye as euer I heard any Phil. My lordes sence you will not ceasse to trouble me for that I haue lawfully done neither will admitt my Iust defence for that was spoken in the parliament house by me contrarie to the lawes and custome of the realme I appeale to the hole parliament house to be iudged by the same whether I owght thus to be molested for that I haue there spoken Rochest But haue you not spoken and mayntayned the same sence the tyme or no Phil. Yf any man can charge me iustlie therw t here I stāde to make answere Rochest How saye you to it nowe will you stand to that you haue spoken in the conuocacion house and do you thinke you sayd then wel or no phi My lord you are not myn ordinary to procede ex officio against me and therfore I am not bounde to tel you my conscience of your demaundes S. Asse What saye you nowe is not there in the blessed sacrament of the altar And with that they put of al theyr cappes for reuerence of that ydol the presence of our saueour Christ reallye and substācyally after de wordes of consecraciō Phil. I do beleue in the sacrament of Christes body duly ministred to be such maner of presēce as the word teacheth me to beleue S. Asse I praie you how is that Phil. As for that I will declare an other tyme whā I shal be laufully called to dispute my minde of this matter but I am not yet dryuen to that poynt And the scripture sayth al thinges owght to be done after an order An other b. This is a froward and a vayne glorious man London It is not lawful for a mā by the ciuile lawe to dispute his faith openly as it appeareth in the title de sūma trinitate fiide catholica phil My lord I haue answered you to this question before London Why I neuer asked the of this before nowe Phil. Yes that you did at my last examinacion by that token I answered your lordship by S. Ambrose that the churche is congregated by the word Note wel and not by mās lawe wherfore I adde nowe further of this sayng quod qui fidem repudiat legem obijcit iniustus est quia Iustus ex fide viuit That he which refuseth the worde and obiecteth the lawe is an vniust man because the Iust shal lyue by fayth And more ouer my lord the title which your lordship alledgeth out of the lawe maketh it not vnlawfull to dispute of all the articles of the fayth but of the Trinitie London Thou lyest it is not soo And I will shewe you by the booke how ignoraunt he is And with that he went with all hast to his studie and fett his book and openly red the text and the title of the lawe and charged me with suche wordes as semed to make for his purpose sayeng how sayst thou to this Phil. My lord I saye as I did before that the lawe meaneth of the catholike fayth determined in the coūcel of Calcedonia where the articles of the Crede were only concluded vpon London Thou arte the veriest beast Naye thou art a beast that euer I heard I must nedes speake it thou compellest me therunto phil Your lordship maye speake your pleasure of me But what is this to the purpose which your lordship is so earnest in You know that our fayth is not groūded vpō the ciuil lawe Therfore it is not materiall to me what soeuer the lawe sayth London By what lawe wylt thou be iudged wylt thou be Iudged by the common lawe Phil. No my lorde our fayth depēdeth not vpon the lawes of man S. Asse He wil be Iudged by no lawe but as he list him selfe worcest The common lawes are but