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A20770 A treatise of the true nature and definition of justifying faith together with a defence of the same, against the answere of N. Baxter. By Iohn Downe B. in Divinity, and sometime fellow of Emanuel C. in Cambridge.; Selections Downe, John, 1570?-1631.; Baxter, Nathaniel, fl. 1606.; Bayly, Mr., fl. 1635.; Muret, Marc-Antoine, 1526-1585. Institutio puerilis. English. 1635 (1635) STC 7153; ESTC S109816 240,136 421

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of all the heauenly hoste of the blessed Spirits therein whereas Saint Paul himselfe though hee had beene rauished vp into the third heauen euen into the Paradise of God 2 Cor. 12.3.4 yet returning backe neyther durst nor did vtter any such thing and lastly that hee talken so familiarly of Churches and Chancels and Monks and diuers other orders and ceremonies which are well knowne to be of a much latter date omitting I say these and the like obiections although perhaps not so easy to bee answered consider with mee I beseech you these few reasons following First if these were the books of that Den● which was Saint Pauls Scholler how commeth it to passe that neither Eusebius in his Ecclesiasticall history nor Ierome nor Gennad●ui purposely writing Catalogues of all the famous Writers before them nor Origen nor Chrysostom nor any ancient Father so farre as I can learne maketh any mention of them vntill Gregory the Great who liued about 600. Hom. 34. de 10. dragm yeares after Christ and speaketh very doubtfully of them too For as for Athanasius whom you affirmed to quote him I suppose you meant him in his Questions out of the old and new Testament wherein hee cites his Mystica Theologia But neither was this booke of Denis knowne in the time of Athanasius nor did Athanasius himselfe write that Biblioth l. 4. as your Sixtus Senensis thinketh For had hee written it would hee thinke you haue vouched his owne authority and that with such arrogance vnder the name of Great Athanasius or could hee haue mentioned Gregory Nazianzen who flourished so long after his decease I trow no yet hee doth both Quest 23. 117. 129. Act. 17. 34. Ib. 16.3 c. Secondly it is well knowne that S. Paul was the man that conuerted Denis and that before his comming to Athens Timothy had beene entertained by him and in his company had trauelled ouer many countreyes and grew so intimate and deere vnto him that he both counted and called him his Son 1 Tim. 1.2 2. c. 1.2 Which being so it cannot reasonably bee imagined that the true Denis would proue either so vngratefull or so presumptuous as this counterfait sheweth himselfe to bee vngratefull in that forgetting Saint Paul he euer speakes of one Hierotheus in obscure man in comparison as of his Master presumptuous for that as if hee were a Father to Timothy as well as Saint Paul hee calleth him his Sonne notwithstanding hee were farre more fit to bee his disciple Thirdly Diuin nom c. 5. Strom. l. 8. this Denis citeth Clemens the Philosopher not Clemens of Rome as some would haue it but of Alexandria for in him the very passage quoted by Denis is to bee found Deuin nom c. 4. And yet this Clemens liued two hundred yeeres after Christ Hee citeth also these words out of Ignatius My loue is crucified as if hee had beene present at his Martyrdome Memod and yet the true Dionysius suffered vnder Domitian whereas Ignatius both wrote his Epistle and was martyred some good while after him vnder Trajan Hee further citeth the Gospell and Reuelation of Saint Iohn as if they had a long time beene parcels of holy Scripture howbeit if wee may belieue history both those books were written but a little before Saint Iohns death and fourteen yeeres after the death of Dionysius And yet againe in an Epistle to Polycarpus hee speaketh vnto him as vnto a reuerend Bishop and Doctour Neuerthelesse Dionysius himselfe suffered in France in the yeere of our Lord ninety sixe as Writers testify but Polycarpus in the yeere one hundred sixty sixe and of his age eighty sixe so that at the death of Dionysius Polycarpus could be but a stripling and about sixteene yeeres old Fourthly according to the Prouerbe the Rat perisheth by bewraying himselfe for speaking of Infants and why they are baptized thus he saith Hier. Eccl. c. 7. Hereof wee say those things which our diuine Masters being instructed by the old tradition haue brought vnto vs. In which words ere hee was aware hee hath discouered that nor Paul nor any other of the Apostles could be his Masters for it is both vntrue and absurd to say that the holy Apostles were instructed in the point of Christian Baptisme by the old tradition Lastly this Denis writeth that himselfe together with Timothy and Hierotheus were present at the departure and funerall of the Blessed Virgin Mother Ep. ad Tim. Now story saith that shee liued threescore and three yeeres being fifteen yeeres of age when she bare Christ whereunto if yee adde thirty three yeeres of Christs life and fifteen more to make up her full age it will appeare that shee dyed eight and forty yeeres after her Sonnes birth and fifteen after his Ascension But on the other side it plainely appeareth that Denis Arcopagite was not conuerted vnto the Christian Faith till the eighteenth yeere after the ascension one and fifty yeeres after Christs birth Our Diuines gather it thus The Scripture witnesseth that Saint Paul was not called till Christ was ascended Reinold in Conc. 8. d. 2. Act. 9.5 Gal. 1.18 Act. 9.26 Gal. 1.21 Act. 13.4 Gal. 2.1 Act. 15.4 Act. 16.1 Being called hee stayed three yeeres in Damascus and Arabia before hee came to Ierusalem Thence he went into the coasts of Syria and Cilicia and the Countreyes thereabout And fourteen yeeres after hee came to Ierusalem againe with Barnabas to the Councell From the Councell hee went to Derbe and Lystra Where hee receiued Timothy And hauing trauelled through Phrygia Galatia Mysia Macedonia hee came at last to Athens Act. 17.34 where hee conuerted Denys So that it must needs bee about eighteen or at the least seuenteen yeeres after Christs Ascension before Saint Denys know Christ All which duely considered it is euident that the Blessed Virgin dyed if not three full yeeres yet more then two before the conuersion of Denys and consequently that he could not be one of those Brethren who were present at her death and funerall Whence also it followeth ineuitably that the Authour of that booke cannot possibly be this Denys This argument being pressed by that renowmed Reinolds vpon Iohn Hart Confer c. 8. d. 2. hee confessed ingenuously that hee knew not how to accord it And these or the like reasons haue so preuailed with sundry of your owne side that they haue beene forced some to doubt of him others vtterly to disclaime him from being the true Denys Praef. in Probl. Alex. Aphrod Theodorus Caza affirmeth those books of the Hierarchy to be none of Denys the Athenians In Act. 17. Ibid. Erasmus also professeth himselfe to be of the same mind And Laurentius Valla saith that the learnedest men of his time entitled one Apollinarius vnto them Cardinall Cajetan not onely saith it In Act. 17. but also sheweth how vnlikely it is that hee who wrote of the Names of God and of the Heauenly and