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A51572	The Messias of the Christians and the Jewes held forth in a discourse between a Christian, and a Iew obstinately adhering to his strange opinions, & the forced interpretations of scripture, wherein Christ the true savior of the whole world is described from the prophets and likewise that false and counterfeited Messias of the Jewes, who in vaine is expected by that nation to this very day, is discovered / written first in Hebrew, but now rendered into English by Paul Isaiah, a Jew born, but now a converted and baptized Christian.	Münster, Sebastian, 1489-1552.; Eliazar Bar-Isajah.	1655 (1655)	Wing M3039A; ESTC R42183	58,523	257

the iniquity of Israel but in the month Nisan they shall be delivered which month also before when they were delivered out of Egypt was the beginning of redemption they shall come forth before Nisan and shall ascend towards the land of promise but in the first day of that moneth the building of the Temple shall bee finisht and they shall dedicate the Altar in that day and when they shall be in their journy God shall judge them in the desert as it is written As I live saith the Lord God I will bring you out from the people and will gather you together out of the Nations in which you have been scattered and will lead you into the desert of the people and will judge you there face to face as as I judged your fathers in the desert of the Land of Egypt the meaning of which place is this When I shall bring you forth out from the people I will not lead you to the land of Israel untill I shall judge you in the desert of the people for there I will take vengeance of you and will destroy the rebellious and every wicked one whom I shal find amongst you I will take my judgement of you in the place where no man shall bee found to passe or repasse lest the Nations should see your evill and should rejoice over you but he saith face to face that is between mee and between you onely without any mediatour Christian Shall then all the Nations beleeve in one God Iew Divers faiths shall not then be in the world as now but a chosen language shall returne to the people that all may call upon the Name of the Lord and may serve him with one shoulder for then shall be fulfilled that which is written To gather together all nations that they may come and see my glory I will set a signe amongst them and I will send forth the rest of them to the Gentiles that they may shew my glory and bring all your brethren from all Nations a gift to the Lord on horses and chariots as if he should say I will cause all nations to come with Gog and Magog and see my glory wherewith I will be glorified among them and I will cause the remnant to goe into all Nations and declare my glory among the Gentiles who have not come to Ierusalem and when they shall heare that great miracle which God hath done in the Tents of Gog and Magog they shall bring the sons of Israel on horses and chariots for a gift to the Lord and they shall bring them honourably apparelled set on horses and chariots and the seed of Israel shall continue all the daies of the world neither shall the Israelites ever perish or be led into banishment out of their owne land as those Nations thought who came with Gog and Magog to besiege Ierusalem who thought to lead away Israel and blot out their name Again the Prophet saith and all flesh shall come and worship before my face saith the Lord for all that are left of all the Nations shall come every yeare to Ierusalem to worship the King of Heaven and celebrate the feast of Tabernacles He saith evidently the Feast of Tabernacles which battell of Gog and Magog shall bee in that time Also the Nations shall come from every part of the world to seek the peace of Israel bringing a gift to her A gift as it is written Thus saith the Lord behold I give to her namely Ierusalem peace as a river and the glory of the Gentiles as a flowing stream not that it shall hurt like an overflowing flood but as an overflowing flood comes unawares so glory shall suddenly come to them that is the riches of the Gentiles and all the daies of the world the Nations of the world shall serve Israel and the Israelites shall have dominion over their enemies and they shall revenge that bondage which the Gentiles have abused in their servitude all the daies of the captivity and now also all the Nations who doe not serve the Iewes are the debitors of death and worthy of banishment as it is written in Isaiah Arise shine for the Nation and Kingdome that will not serve thee shall perish therefore all the time that they serve the Israelites they have a strong hope as it is said And strangers shall stand and feed thy sheep and the children of strangers shall bee thy husbandmen and thy vine-dressers Whence it appeares you ought to serve us every houre to fulfill that which is said the greater shall serve the lesser It is also written with you that Saint Iohn hath said the Iewes are to be honoured for our salvation came from them Christian That last is false because it is not written in the booke of Iohn that ye Iewes are to be honoured by the Christians but thou hast added that to the words of our Messias who said it not But yet you have not told me who is Gog and who is Magog and when their battel shall be against the Israelites Iew Magog is a name of a Nation and Gog the name of the King reigning in that Nation But Magog came of the sons of Iaphet and behold they say that from the daies of Alexander King of the Greeks the posterity of Magog have been shut up in the end of the north whom Alexander shut up there within the mountaines whence they have not gone forth hitherto but they shall goe forth in the time of salvation after that Israel is gone out of captivity for so wee have found it written that Alexander the Macedonian shut up Gog and Magog within great and high mountains out of which there is no egresse but in one place onely where hee made a very strong building whose wals are of Iron that no man can goe forth thence also in that wall hee hath made by wonderfull industry iron men who continually as it were with hammers and axes doe smite upon the wall that the men who are within the wals may thinke that building is to be continued and fortified for ever that none of them may ever go forth and that building shall not be broken neither shall any passage be made until that great and terrible day come when it shall please the Lord that they may goe forth thence for then mountaines shall be throwne down and the steep places shall fall and every wall shall fall to the ground for thus saith the Lord God behold I am against thee O Gog and I will bring thee forth all thine army horses and horsemen and all of them clothed with all sorts of armour even a great company with bucklers and shields all of them handling swords Persia Ethiopia and Lybia with them all of them with shield and helmet Gomer and all his bands the house of Togarma of the north quarters ver. 14 15. In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely thou shalt know it and shalt come out of

the dew of herbs and the earth shall cast out the dead Where he signifies the second comming of the Messias to judgement when God himselfe in the day of judgement shall raise the dead to life The same is also in the Prophecy of Daniel and many of them that sleepe in the dust of the earth shall awake that is the resurrection of the dead to life shall be common to all the just and the wicked shall also receive their bodies but to be punished in them and in their soules and dye perpetually Moreover when the Prophet saith thy dead hee directs his speech to God and then a voice shall come from heaven and shall say to them awake and sing ye that dwell in the dust So when he saith they dew he speakes figuratively to God for as the dew doth quicken and cause the herbes to grow up so the dew of divine power shall quicken the dead and the earth shall cast forth her dead that is God shall condemne the wicked and thrust them out into hell but the just shall goe with Christ into eternall life and then the present world shall have an end and the elect shall be with God in the Kingdome of heaven for ever and ever but the wicked shall be shut up together with the devill into hell from whence they shall never be delivered as it is said in the same place some shall awake to eternall life but some to reproaches and to perpetuall abomination Behold this is our faith concerning the resurrection of the dead and so also our holy Prophets have taught Iew Our Rabbies also have taught us how we should beleeve but after another manner for they have said the resurrection of the dead shall bee for all the just and for some wicked for the Lord shal cast forth those that be dead that is the wicked to the earth but that cannot give them life Moreover the dead which then the Lord shall raise to life shall not differ from other men in the use of humane life for they shall have a free choice of good and evill for therefore he saith some to eternall life but some unto reproaches and eternall abomination untill at length they come into contempt and a continuall consummation that no part of good shall come to them but even as the Prophet saith at that time the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord Then the abundance of divine knowledge shal so much increase that the faith of God shall never be wanting neither shall man bee changed but to good and to perfection and many Iewes say these things shall be before the daies of the Messias at which time miracles without number shal come to passe Christian And here you likewise erre seeing all these miracles are fulfilled already some few excepted which shall come to passe in the second comming of the Messias namely in the end of the world when God and the Messias shall come to judge the quick and the dead for the Messias is come already and hath quickned the dead some from a corporall death some from a spirituall death At this day Idols have ceas'd in the world as it is written The earth is filled with the knowledge of the Lord for all Nations professe at this day one God At this day much people walk to the house of the God of Iacob which is the congregation of the faithfull beleeving in Christ who also figuratively are called the spirituall Ierusalem At this day the wolfe remaines with the Lamb that is the wicked and devourer with the meeke and doth not hurt him Peace also was through the whole world in those daies when Christ was born for then one man namely Octavianus did reigne over the whole world in peace But in the world to come which is the kingdome of Christ there shall bee peace without end now the Ports of Ierusalem are open that every one that will may enter and the mountain of the Lord is established upon the top of the mountaines and is lifted above the hils To day in the heavenly Ierusalem which is the City of beleevers in Christ who is already come a voice of weeping and mourning shall no more bee heard there but beleevers in Christ shall remaine there not onely five hundred yeares but for ever But yee Iewes do not understand this word as Isaias hath prophecied the Ox knoweth his owner and the Asse his Masters crib but Israel doth not know my people doth not consider as if hee should say they would not understand and walke in a right way interpreting places of Scripture according to their owne fancies knowing that their words are defended by no truth as I will explaine below where they say Christ shal have sons and daughters And is it not written in the Thalmud in the Treatise Nisa that the Messias shall not come till the soules bee perfected from the body that is brought out of that closet from whence the soules shall come which are created for they so call the body Know therfore their words are empty and foolish when they frame expositiōs of things to come for they doe it to triumph and obstinately to remain in their errour lest if they repented and stood off from their purpose they should lie under shame and disgrace but they themselves confesse they dare not for the people sing a recantation for otherwise they should be killed because they have so blinded the eyes of the common people with their false consolations But I know you Iewes doe object to us Christians that this gave occasion to your so tedious banishment because Iesus being born of the seed of David of the Iewes made himselfe God and drew many of the people to him who beleeved in him which neverthelesse is a very bad errour with you and your ancestors Did they not kill him for it and hang him upon a tree if they had done well God ought rather to hasten their redemption for that fact even before the end of their banishment were come especially seeing they had fulfilled that command Thou shalt root out evill from the midst of thee and did hee not promise this very thing to them by Moses Moreover if the words of Christ were lies why did not God send some Prophet or vision as he did in the daies of the Kings when they worshipped Baal and other Idols admonishing them to abstaine from that vanity and did reprove them But forasmuch as this hath not been done we may conclude that his words and deeds were true and just Blessed therefore is the man who puts his trust in the Lord and in his Christ and whose confidence the Lord is for the time wherein he hopes in him and in the Messias sent in the second house I have other Arguments which I could bring proving the Messias to be already come but I think it needlesse to alledge more here seeing I have cited those

forsomuch as at this day great Whales are found in the sea that is the greatest fishes that devour the lesser therefore powerfull Kings are compared to Whales who afflict and oppresse the poore but the Lord can easily slay them although in strength they bee not inferiour to the Whales of the sea this is the mind of Ezekiel Moreover whereas you assert one of the Whales was slaine by God you are constrained to say Ionas was swallowed up by one seeing there was not another in the sea But heare what the Prophet writes of himselfe and the Lord prepared a great fish to devoure Ionah The Lord brought not a great fish or that Whale from the end of the world which was left in the beginning of the world but that Whale which by providence was found in that sea this the Lord did ordaine to swallow up Ionah And if you object a Whale or Leviathan and a great fish are unlike I answer that is not true seeing the Rabbies do expound the word tannim for a great fish do you think that fish was a little one which swallowed up Ionah and kept him alive three daies and three nights in his belly What you bring out of the Psalmes I shortly avoid thus there the singular number is taken for the plurall which you know is frequent in the Hebrew as a man oxe sheep c. Moreover you deprave that place brought out of Iob for the Lord doth not say there the companions shall eat the Leviathan but he speaks after this manner shall the companions and associates make a banquet of him or shall the Merchants divide him amongst them after the manner of those who buy fishes and divide them into parts and that place may have this interpretation Will the companions dig a pit to draw him thither out of the sea by their hissing and take him doe you see how unhappily the Fathers have understood and expounded that place this also is very false and a great errour amongst you that the just in the world to come shall eat temporall food and corporall bread the flesh of beasts and fish herbs and corn of which bread is made which we need in this life where wee grow and doe beget an off-spring and doe renew that which is appaired in our body by the adjection of meat But in the world to come and resurrection of the dead it is farre otherwaies with us for then man shall be by the resurrection a new creature and renewed upon their former bones like that vision in Ezekiel when the Lord God did raise up his people saying I will lay sinews upon you and will bring up flesh upon you and will cover you with skin and put breath in you and ye shall live Wherfore your Rabbies have said in the secrets of the Law that there is in the neibe a very stiffe bone which being put in the fire is not hurt by it and being put into the ground doth not putrifie and they affirm the resurrection of the body doth increase by that So also it is in Genesis and the Lord made● made I say upon the bone sinewes flesh and skin and breathed into her the breath of life and brought her to Adam tha● by this mystery he might foreshew although man shoul● dye yet hee should rise in the same body and should be mad● a building of nerves bones and flesh joined together which should not be dissolved wherefore Adam called her bone of my bone because the resurrection of man should be in his first bones of eternall life Then the just no longer shall eat corporall bread which doth not free from death neither drink wine which the earth doth bring forth but shall eate the bread of Angels that is as the just shall live in the spirit as Angels so they shall eate food which shal not putrifie nor perish neither shall the elect of God want any longer the light of the Sun by day neither shall the Moone give them light by night but the Lord shall be a perpetuall light to them and their God shall bee their glory and they shal then eat spiritual fruits because eye hath not seen those things which God will doe for them who wait upon him See Isaiah concerning this place in the 60 chap. above mentioned thou shalt find many things in the text which are not to bee understood according to the bare sense of the letter as you erroneously doe for the most part but in spirit and in truth if in the future world according to your errour there were bodily eating there should be also death and consequently another resurrection which is false and a great errour for it is sowne in this world a mortall body and shall rise in the resurrection of the just immortall for they shall then be as the Angels of God which are in heaven and shall never die And to conclude you now see that those men are witlesse who say that the just in the future world shall eat a common Oxe and that salted Whale and shall drinke wine which Paradice brought forth seeing that the just in the future world shall not live in the earth but in the heavens with God Blessed is the man who shall eate bread in the Kingdome of God But I will propound another question to you and I desire you to answer me to it The question is this why doe not you Iewes believe in in our Messias seeing that in him all the prophecies are fulfilled which are written concerning him in the Law and the Prophets but do make your faces more hard than a rock yea though with open eies you see there is no salvation in the earth for the people who walk in darknesse and see no light Iew If I would answer peradventure you would be displeased but who being so provok'd can refrain speaking especially seeing the zeale of the house of the Lord hath eaten mee up and the reproaches of them who reproach God are fallen upon me You aske why wee believe not in the Messias neither receive him as you doe to wch I answer you thus In your Christ the words of the Prophets are not fulfilled which they did foretell concerning the Messias neither are the mysteries of the Law fulfilled although wee know the time of his comming is not far off and therefore through all generations they which are of the seed of David with great desire do expect in their daies the comming of salvation and the time of the King Messiah Christian And why I pray you doth that your Messias so long delay his comming to deliver you out of your tribulations in which you are or how can GOD himselfe see for this so long time your calamity which you suffer in this captivity and doth not deliver you out of your troubles executing judgement upon your enemies why doth he suffer you so to wander through the world as sheep which have no

virtue as it is said Behold I create new heavens and a new earth and the former shall not be remembred Christian Shall men dye in that Land or shall they live for ever Iew They shall not die by the sword because war shall not be there neither shall there be a naturall death exept after many yeares when a man shall be full of daies but when he shall dye they shall not weep over him as it is written the voice of weeping and mourning shall no more bee heard in Ierusalem Also in that time they shall not say of an old man that hee hath accomplisht his daies untill hee come to the three hundreth or five hundreth yeare and above such as were in the first ages in the beginning of the world But these daies which now in the world are counted for old age shall then bee the daies of youth and men shall bee accounted then as growing children as it is written they shall be fruitfull in old age they shall be fat and flourishing in the contrary manner of old men wherefore it is written elsewhere a child of a hundred years old shall die that is if any man dy in the hundreth year which shall be because of his sin they shall say of him that a child is dead and he expounds it after this manner A child of an hundred yeares who shall sin shall be accused as if he should say the curse of God shall bee upon him Then they shal not build and another inhabit as now it is neither shall they plant and another eat but according to the daies of trees shall the daies of my people be that is in the elect because they onely shall have the longest lives and that not without a miracle but not other people whereupon Ionathan hath interpreted that place thus They shall live as the dayes of trees But our Rabbies say that a living tree doth endure five hundred years Some also say there shall be some change in the nature of corne in the time of the Redeemer that it shall as vines bee preserved in strength and there shal not be need every yeare to sow new corn but it shall be sown onely once as the vine is once planted and after the corne shall bee gathered in the stalks shall remaine flourishing to the next yeare Christian In what place of Scripture did your Rabbies find that Iew In Hosea they shall preserve their corne and it shall flourish as a vine Also in that time if they aske of the blessed God raine he shall give it them and hee will give every man herbes in his field according to his desire Moreover our Masters say that at that time when the Israelites shall do the will of God he wil also do their will so that if any one alone shall have need of raine he will give raine to him alone or if any one shall want raine for one herbe in his field or garden he will give raine to that herbe alone And this is that which is said aske raine of the Lord and hee will give thee plentifull raine for every herb in the field Christian Because you have fallen upon Zachary tell me how you understand those words which are written in it shall the whole earth be turned as into a plaine Iew I will tell you behold all the land about Ierusalem which now is mountainous as it is in the Psalmes shall then be plain like the plainnesse of a champion field and it shall be exalted and be higher than all the land although now it be higher than all the land of Israel by reason of the mountaines which are about it because of which its height cannot be seene But at that time when all the land round about it shall bee made plaine its height shall be seen more than all the Land Wherefore it is said in the prophecy of Isaiah the mountain of the Lord shall be established upon the top of the mountaines and shall be lifted above the hils and many fields which now are nigh Ierusalem shall then be within the wals of the City and that City being built shall never afterwards be destroied as it is written behold the daies come saith the Lord and the City of the Lord shall be built from the tower of Hananeel to the gate of the corner c. it shall not be destroied nor pluckt downe for ever It is said also in the Psalm if the Lord build not the house they labour in vaine who build it But this hee saith of the sanctuary and City of Ierusalem Behold from that day wherein the house of the Lord was wasted and the Israelites led into captivity and the City destroied Ierusalem was now againe rebuilt and now againe destroi'd because it was in the power of the Idumeans and in the power of the Ismaelites and every year war was raised for it they build it and these destroy it againe because it is not the will of the Lord that the Gentiles should keep it built and therefore they labour in vaine who build it and in vaine doe they rise in the morning who keepe it First the Idumeans did subdue Ierusalem afterwards when they were quiet the Ismalites came and made a great war with the christians and tooke the City out of their hands and there was a continuall war between them and that discord paines and labour to possesse the City shall endure untill the Redeemer and King Messias shall come to whom the Lord God shal deliver Ierusalem without all trouble Christian Shall the City and the Temple be then built as Ezechiel saw them in the spirit of Prophecy Iew Yes for he saith thus in the 25 yeare of our captivity in the beginning of the year in the tenth moneth in that day the Lord brought me to the land of Israel and set me upon an exceeding high mountaine upon which there was as it were the building of the City from the south because in the day of mercy God will pardon the iniquity of Israel and will remember their sin no more and the Temple shall be built in the mountaine and the City Ierusalem shall be next to it on the south there the Lord shews Ezekiel the building of the future Temple that the hope of the Israelites might not faile but they might know they should return into their own land and should dwell in it securely and the building of the Temple shall bee much greater then it was at the beginning though it shall not differ in forme and order Christian Ezekiel had this vision in the babylonish captivity before the second house was built therefore it cannot be understood of the building of a third Temple Againe I aske of you at what time of the year shall the Israelites goe into their owne land after your Messias shall come Iew I have told you already namely in the day of propitiation for then God shall pardon

the living for the transgression of my people was he smitten and he made his grave with the wicked and with the rich in his death because he had done no violence neither was any deceit in his mouth Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him hee hath put him to griefe when thou shalt make his soule an offering for sin he shall see his seed he shal prolong his daies and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hands He shall see of the travell of his soule and shall be satisfied by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justifie many for he shall bear their iniquities Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great and he shall divide the spoile with the strong because hee hath poured out his soule unto death and hee was numbred with the transgressors and hee bare the sinne of many and made intercession for the transgressors You see here what Isaiah the Prophet hath said concerning the death of the Messias how he should die for our sins that he might save our soules and might lead us into the Kingdome of heaven and that he should see his seed and should prolong his daies and truly the pleasure of the Lord hath had a prosperous successe in his hand Forasmuch as his name hath been magnified in the whole earth and you who slew him are disperst throughout all the nations your house is desolate and you are become of the people of God not the people of God and of Gods peculiar inheritance an abomination in the eies of God and of the sons of God the sons of Belial But on the contrary they who beleeve in God and in his Christ these are the people the possession and the sons of God and they shall never see death because after this world sin shall not bee and by consequent neither death which is the punishment of sin Iew Our Masters speak far otherwise of these things for they say in the time of the Messias the earth shal be filled with the knowledge of the Lord because of the plentifull pouring forth of God whereby he shall then bow himselfe downe to the world neither shall faith be then corrupted neither shall man be changed but to good and to perfection It is also likely that then the dead shall not rise but they who have been just the wicked shall remain in death some few excepted And truly you have now seen that innumerable miracles shall be wrought in the time of the Messias as I have shewed you and because all these are not yet come to passe wee beleeve not in your Christ but doe expect our redeemer neither doe we despaire though many and great tribulations doe meet us in this our moderne captivity Christian You and your Rabbies do err very much for al these wonderfull things concerning which you have spoke to me are fulfilled already some few excepted which shall bee wrought in the second comming of Christ that is in the end of the world when Christ shall come to judge the quick and the dead for our Christ hath raised some dead from a corporall death and some from a spiritual death At this day Idolatry is taken out of the world and the earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord because all people doe at this day confesse one God Now many people doe goe to enter into the house of the God of Iacob which is the Church of beleevers in Christ Now the wolfe dwels with the lambe that is the ungodly man and the destroier with the meeke and hee doth not hurt him Moreover there was peace through the whole world in those daies when our Christ was born for one man namely Octavianus did then reign over the whole world in peace and in the world to come there shall be peace without end Now the gates of Ierusalem are open that is the Church of the faithfull is open and every man of each sex man and woman old man and young man rich and poor Iew and Gentile whosoever will may enter in Also the mountaine of the Lords house is prepared on the top of the mountaines and is lifted above the hils At this day in Ierusalem among beleevers the voice of weeping and mourning is no more heard because they have consolation here and they expect in the world to come joy which shall never bee taken from them There men shall live not only five hundred or a thousand yeares but for ever and ever Iew I understand not your words because you speake figuratively and not according to the letter of the Scripture Christian This is that which the Lord hath said by the Prophet The ox knows his owner and the asse his Masters crib but Israel doth not know my people doth not consider Likewise Moses saith the Lord shall smite thee with madness blindnesse and astonishment of hearth and thou shalt grope at noon day as the blinde man gropeth in darkness and thou shalt not prosper in thy daies Iew This is the punishment wherewith God doth chastise us for our sin but he will not throw off his people for ever Christian What is that your sinne for which this banishment which now you suffer so long after the second house is so much prolonged beyond the banishment of the first house since that it is sufficiently manifest of the greatnesse of the sins which the Kings of Iuda did and yet for them the time of banishment was not prolonged but two and fifty yeares but in the second house they did not worship Idols and neverthelesse the captivity endures wonderfull long Iew I answer you to this doubt thus The sins wch they cōmitted in the time of the first house were very grievous that even then it was decreed that the second Temple should not stand but seventy whole weeks and then againe they should suffer punishment and should beare the iniquity of their fathers to the end of the redemption as it is explained in the end of Daniel which present captivity in which wee now are is for the sins which the Israelites committed before the Babylonish captivity Christian This your answer is vaine for the sonne shall not bear the iniquity of his father if hee bee not a follower of his fathers wickednesse but I will heare what Daniel saith concerning that captivity Iew Behold he speaks after this manner Blessed is he that waites and comes to a thousand three hundred and thirty five daies but a yeare is as a long day And againe a day is a little yeare Likewise there is a certaine place found in the earth where almost a whole yeare is but one day For example there is a place where the day takes up six months and the night challengeth to it selfe the remnant of time there I say a yeare consists of one day So Daniel called dayes yeares because he would have his words shut up and sealed Christian And when shall the mentioned