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A19031 An advertisement concerning a book lately published by Christopher Lawne and others, against the English exiled Church at Amsterdam. By Richard Clyfton teacher of the same church Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618. 1612 (1612) STC 5449; ESTC S118626 88,142 134

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indifferent judgment of all hovv these men have dealt vvith us in this behalf And sooner also might vve publish both these and other things then vve doe vvere it not for the troubles that these men and others have procured us and still doe As for the personall matters published in the book aforesaid although vve leave the matters concerning others to them selves doe for this Church acknovvledge that indeed vve have had our transgressions and infirmities like as in the Churches of Corinth Galatia and others in all ages and at this day may be seen for vvhich vve are much grieved yet is it good needfull for the Reader here alvvaies to remēber that saying Quis erit innocens si accusare sufficiat If to accuse be sufficient who can be innocent For ther vvill be accusers alvvaies as M. Parker upon the same saying inferreth in his book as long as the Maxime liveth M. Park scholast disc against symbolizing vvith Antichrist in ceremonies c. 2 book pag. 118. vvhich one gave once in Alexanders court Fortiter calumniare nam etsi vulnus curetur cicatrix tamen remanebit Give out calumniations mightily for though the wound be healed yet will the scarre remaine But the godly will better consider of things remēbring the common frailtie even of the best and not forgetting the commandement of God vvhereof M. Parker in his testimonie seasonably putteth the reader in minde Thou shalt not receive a false tale agoinst thy neighbour as also knovving that all lying reprochfull dealing should not by right live longer then the lye of the Gibeonites And hovv ever vve be dealt vvithall in this sort yet must vve comfort our selves in the assurances of Gods mercies and in the common and continuall lotte of Gods servants vvalcking through good and through euill report before us Novv touching these men and their dealings I purpose not in particular to shevve hovv ungodly unjustly they have dealt against us not onely contrarie to all pietie but against all modestie in laying opē the infirmities transgressions of some vvhose repentance is knovvn even to these reprochers thē selves as it was to the whole Church also in shamelesse publishing of some things never heard of in our Church nor so much as knovven to the parties vvhō they mention besides their uttering of some things also verie false and untrue And that so as the vvriting it self in the cares and judgment of the vvise doth sufficiently convince the Authors of aboundance of malice argues in them vvant of grace of the feare of God a just judgment of God upon thē that have vvalked haltingly before God in his Church and have vvilfully refused to heare the voice of Christ Iesus in the same that have so spitefully sclanderously vvritten against this Church against the Pastor and other Officers members thereof have thus vvith their bitter venemous toungues smitten them whō the Lord doth accept and to vvhom I trust he vvill requite good for this their cursing as David in a like case did comfort himself 2 Sam. 16 7-12 And touching our forbearing novv to ansvvere their vvriting being such as it is it may suffice that vve have shevved heretofore concerning the like vvriting of Thomas Whites that vve can have ansvvered such shamelesse vvritings least such fooles should be wise in their owne conceits Prov. 26 5. and so might doe by this book for the reproches and sclaunders therin conteyned as vve did by that other but it seemes partly not so needefull seeing the same things and the like are novv published by these that vvere then also by Thomas White vvherunto ansvver vvas given partly not meete or good to follovv these vvicked men in their ungodly courses but to observe that other proverbe of Salomons vvhich saith Answer not a foole according to his follie least thou also be like him Prov. 26.4 as also to leave them and their dealings to the judgement of the Lord to the censure of all godly indifferent men to judge vvhether they vvould justifie any amongst them that should so carrie thē selves as to publish to the vvorld the slippes and sinnes of the particular persons of their societies For if men should take this course as these have done vvhat volumes might not be vvrittē of the faults sinnes of particular Churches Is there any societie or companie to be found on earth that if any vvould make a diarie of their lives yea even of them that are religious and godly but there vvould be found manie things amisse amog thē and yet no grace to any of such a companie especially in such a spitefull manner to commit such personall sinnes to print Let these men take a like survaie of such societies or Churches that they are vvithall and see if they can not finde as manie yea if they vvould not be partiall a great manie moe vices and other manner transgressions then vvith al their sclanders they are able to charge this Church vvithall And vvill not any then judge these men in this their doing to have shevved great malice and partialitie and that not the spirit of God but Satan that enemie to Michael his Angels hath set them on vvorke to reproch the truth it self by this their vile dealing Or vvould them selves take it in good part if vve should laye open their ovvne personall sinnes vvhich vve knovve by them both manie and great VVhat have they then done to us or hovv have they kept herein that rule of Christ vvhich saith Whatsoever ye would that men should doe unto you even so doe ye unto them Mat. 7.12 But being sorie to see thē thus adde more sinne to their former sinnes for vvhich they vvere excommunicate I vvill leave thē for the Lords censure to vvorke upon them if so it please God for the saving of their soules in the daie of the Lord Iesus Christ 1 Cor. 5.4.5 And here by this occasion vve vvill speak a litle concerning Gods vvorke about tvvo others vvho haue hertofore vvritten against this poor Church and against the Pastour and members thereof as novv these have done The one vvas George Iobnson the Pastours brother vvho dyed at Durham the manner of vvhose sicknes and death vvas signified hither to his brother by vvriting frō thence by a friend of his that vvas often vvith him both before in the time of his sicknes VVho vvrote hither that he being in prison bestovved the most of his time in finishing the book which before he had begunne and whereof some sheets are printed vvhich vvhen he had done it pleased God to visite him vvith sicknes unto death At vvhich time on his death bedde he gave out as he vvrote is vvell knovvn verie heavie great exclamations about his sinnes by the Lord layd to his charge calling unto God for mercie And in this sort sayth the Gentleman that vvrit the letter vvas present there he cōtinued by the space of an houre that
I was with him shewing great trouble in minde yet not without comfort in the Lord whose servant I doubt not but he dyed The vvords uttered by him and other circumstances mentioned in the Letter aforesaid vve spare yet to set dovvne as vve vvould also still have done the thing it self but that vve are thus continually provoked hereunto and that vve hope it vvill be for the good of others to stay them from such courses and above all to the glorie of God vvhich is to be observed and acknovvledged in all his vvorks And vvhereas it is so often objected by M. Bernard M. Hall M. White Christopher Lawne and others that the Pastors brother vvas excommunicated among us and his father also it is to be noted that yet never a one of them hath undertaken to shevve the causes to be unjust or the thing unlavvfull Nay vvhen Mr. VVhite made it one head of his book to except vvhat he could about the excommunications that had passed in this Church and vvrote of sundrie persons their causes in particular yet it may be observed that he doth not so much as once offer to insist upon theirs vvhich of all others no doubt he vvould most of all have done if he had thought he could have made any plea thereabout And vvho vvill not consider that such as vvould thus blame the excommunicating of any persons should first be able and carefull to shevv the causes thereof and the proceeding against them to be unjust For othervvise if they be just and lavvfull so as none can except thereagainst it is the more godly and commendable though accompanied vvith greater tryall vvhen neyther father nor mother brother nor sister sonne nor daughter are spared As in the Scriptures vve read hovv Moses commended and God blessed Levi for not knovving his ovvne father or mother brethren or children but observed the vvord of God and did his vvill against them though it vvere to the inflicting of death upon them Deut. 33.8.9 with Exod. 32 26-29 Eyther therefore let men by the vvord of God disprove the causes and proceeding in the excommunications they except against at any time or els being not able so to doe the more they vvrite against us the more it maketh for us in deede and so vvill be observed by them that are vvise according to godlynes Besides seeing the parties here spokē of are novv departed this life if M. Iohnson should vvrite any thing about thē by vvhich they should novv be foūd blame vvorthy vvho can not perceive that this then also vvould be abused against him and that men vvould not stick to saye that novv he might speak vvhat he vvould of them vvhen they vvere not living to ansvver for themselves and that although they vvere novv dead so neare unto him as they vvere yet he vvould vvrite thus and thus of them c. For they that spare not so to abuse him as novv they do even about things publikely heard and knovven vvhereof there are so manie vvitnesses yet living hovv vvould they much more abuse any thing that he should novv say or vvrite concerning them vvhen they are gone and departed this life They that observe hovv he and the rest of us are dealt vvithall vvill consider these things And it shall be good for him and us all to possesse our soules vvith pacience to vvaite on the Lord trusting in his mercie making our refuge in the shadovve of his vvings till our calamities be overpast and that it please the Lord to save us from the reproch of them that vvould svvallovve us up For doubtles God vvill send forth his mercie and his truth as he hath hitherto graciously delivered our soules from death our feet from falling that vve may vvalke before him in the light of the living Psal 57. The other that vvrote in like sorte as these have done vvas Thomas White spoken off before vvho after his living here and vvriting so ungodly as he did returned and lived a Minister at London under the Prelates vvhere vvhen he had after some vvhile gottē a benefice in such sort as he did the Lord soon ended his daies These things I thought thus briefly to mention being it may be of some not regarded as they should And hovv ever the Lord spare such mē let thē goe on in their course a vvhile yet in the end if they repent not his hand vvill finde them out and bring their vvaies upon their ovvn heads as throughout the Scriptures vve may read Psal 52. 55 12.13.14.15-23 But novv omitting to vvrite any thing more of them that have thus dealt vvith us leaving them to the Lord I vvill proceede to the next and last speciall matter vvhich at this time I purpose to speake of And that is about the persons spoken of in this last book vvho of late divided them selves from us and have since that time given forth some exceptions and Articles of difference both here at Amsterdam and othervvhere Here they gave out some vvhich vve heard of but never had copie of them untill novv that these men have printed them being taken as they say from the originall copie Othervvise also they have given out the like in letters sent into England as vve have heard by meanes of one there to vvhom they sent had certaine knovvledge thereof vvho dealt more godly and indifferently thereabout then any other of them that have in such sorte ben possessed and praejudiced against us And as that party dealt vvell vvith us in acquainting us vvith those things vvhich thus covertly vvere vvritten given out against us so did vve also for his better satisfying vvrite unto him againe in particular thereabout The vvhich both Articles and Ansvveres thereunto vve haue thought good to keep them by our selues hitherto But seeing that other the like in effect though increased in nūber are thus published to the vvorld and that therein they have not as they ought handled justifyed the causes for vvhich they separated from us vvhich vvere annexed at the end of the treatise upon Mat. 18.17 and shall also be againe annexed here but haue gone about also to possesse the vvorld vvith other matters then those for vvhich they made their breach and by these their courses doe impute blame unto our doctrine as if vve mainteyned opinions contrarie to the truth labouring thereby to sette a more glorious shevv upon their popular government and pleadings and that thereby vve perceive the truth is much hindered and vve injuried and many by their meanes and opinions so deceived that they despise the holy government of Christ vvhich he hath set in his Church to be administred by the Elders thereof refuse to submit thereunto and that not onely they vvho have thus vvritten dealt here but others also in our ovvn coūtrie praejudiced vvith these matters and sinisterly possessed vvith some of their vvritings against us and our cause are likevvise corrupted and so have shevved it