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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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and scope The beloved Spouse of Christ is no receptacle for any filthy person obstinate in any filthynesse against the purity of the Lord Jesus who hath commanded his people to purge out the old leaven not only greater portions but a little leaven which will leaven the whole lumpe and therefore this Hereticke or obstinate person in these vaine and unprofitable questions was to be rejected as well as if his obstinacie had been in greater matters Againe if there were a doore or window left open to vaine and unprofitable questions and sinnes of smaller nature how apt are persons to cover with a silken covering and to say Why I am no Hereticke in Fundamentalls spare me in this or that little one this or that opinion or practice these are of an inferiour circumstantiall nature c. So that the coherence with the former verses and the scope of the Spirit of God in this and other like Scriptures being carefully observed this Greek word Hereticke is no more in true English and in Truth then an obstinate and wilfull person in the Church of Creet striving and contending about those unprofitable Questions and Genealogies c. and is not such a monster intended in this place as mo●● Interpreters run upon to wit One obstinate in Fundamentalls and as the Answerer makes the Apostle to write in such Fundamentalls and principall points wherein the Word of God is so cleare that a man cannot but be convinced in conscience and therefore is not persecuted for matter of conscience but for sinning against his conscience CHAP. XIV Peace NOw in the second place What is this Self-condemnation Truth The Apostle seemeth to make this a ground of the rejecting of such a person because he is subverted and sinneth being condemned of himselfe It will appeare upon due search that this selfe-condemning is not here intended to be in Hereticks as men say in fundamentalls only but as it is meant here in men obstinate in the lesser Questions c. First he is subverted or turned crooked 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a word opposite to streightnesse or rightnesse So that the scope is as I conceive upon true and faithfull admonition once or twice the pride of heart or heat of wrath drawes a vaile over the eyes and heart so that the soule is turned loosed and from the checks of truth Secondly he sinneth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is being subverted or turned aside he sinneth or wanders from the path of Truth and is condemned by himselfe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is by the secret checkes and whisperings of his owne conscience which will take Gods part against a mans selfe in smiting accusing c. Which checks of conscience we finde even in Gods owne dear people as is most admirably opened in the 5 of Cant. in those sad drowsie and unkinde passages of the Spouse in her answer to the knocks and calls of the Lord Iesus which Gods people in all their awakening acknowledge how sleightly they have listned to the checks of their owne consciences This the Answerer pleaseth to call sinning against his conscience for which he may lawfully be persecuted to wit for sinning against his conscience Which conclusion though painted over with the vermillion of mistaken Scripture and that old dreame of Iew and Gentile that the Crowne of Iesus will consist of outward materiall gold and his sword be made of iron or steele executing judgement in his Church and Kingdome by corporall punishment I hope by the assistance of the Lord Jesus to manifest it to be the overturning and rooting up the very foundation and roots of all true Christianity and absolutely denying the Lord Iesus the Great Anointed to be yet come in the Flesh. CHAP. XV. THis will appeare if we examine the two last Quaries of this place of Titus to wit First What this Admonition is Secondly What is the Rejection here intended Reject him First then Titus unto whom this Epistle these directions were written and in him to all that succeed him in the like work of the Gospell to the Worlds end he was no Minister of the Civill State armed with the majestie and terrour of a materiall sword who might for offences against the civill state inflict punishments upon the bodies of men by imprisonments whippings sines banishment death Titus was a Minister of the Gospel or Glad tidings armed onely with the Spirituall sword of the Word of God and such Spirituall weapons as yet through God were mighty to the casting down of strong holds yea every high thought of the highest head and heart in the world 2 Cor. 10. 4. Therefore these first and second Admonitions were not civill or corporall punishments on mens persons or purses which the Courts of Men may lawfully inflict upon Malefactors but they were the reprehensions convictions exhortations and perswasions of the Word of the Eternall God charged home to the Conscience in the name and presence of the Lord Iesus in the middest of the Church Which being despised and not hearkned to in the last place followes rejection which is not a cutting off by heading hanging burning c. or an expelling of the Country and Coasts neither which no nor any lesser civill punishment Titus nor the Church at Crete had any power to exercise But it was that dreadfull cutting off from that visible Head and Body Christ Iesus and his Church that purging out of the old leaven from the lumpe of the Saints the putting away of the evill and wicked person from the holy Land and Commonwealth of Gods Israel 1 Cor. 5. where it is observable that the same word used by Moses for putting a malefactor to death in typicall Israel by sword stoning c. Deut 13. 5. is here used by Paul for the spirituall killing or cutting off by Excommunication 1 Cor. 5. 13. Put away that evill person c. Now I desire the Answerer and any in the holy awe and feare of God to consider That From whom the first and second Admonition was to proceed from them also was the rejecting or casting out to proceed as before But not from the Civill Magistrate to whom Paul writes not this Epistle and who also is not bound once and twice to admonish but may speedily punish as he sees cause the persons or purses of Delinquents against his Civill State but from Titus the Minister or Angel of the Church and from the Church with him were these first and second Admonitions to proceed And Therefore at last also this Rejecting which can be no other but a casting out or excommunicating of him from their Church-societie Indeed this rejecting is no other then that avoyding which Paul writes of to the Church of Christ at Rome Rom. 16. 17. which avoyding however wofully perverted by some to prove persecution belonged to the Governours of Christs Church Kingdom in Rome and not to the Romane Emperour for him to rid and avoyd the World of
Christians are to be exhorted not compelled But this hundreth not that Christians sinning against light of Faith and Conscience may justly be censured by the Church with Excommunication and by the Civill Sword also in case they shall corrupt others to the perdition of their Soules As for the Testimony of the Popish Book we weigh it not as knowing whatsoever they speake for Toleration of Religion where themselves are under Hatches when they come to sit at Sterne they judge and practise quite contrary as both their Writings and Iudiciall proceedings have testified to the World these many yeares To shut up this Argument from Testimonie of Writers It is well known Augustine retracted this Opinion of yours which in his younger times he had held but in after riper age reversed and refuted as appeareth in the second Book of his Retractations chap. 5. and in his Epistles 48. 50. And in his 1. Book against Parmenianus cap. 7. he sheweth that if the Donatists were punished with death they were justly punished And in his 11 Tractate upon Iohn They murther saith he Soules and themselves are afflicted in Body They put men to everlasting death and yet they complaine when themselves are put to suffer temporall death Optatus in his 3. book justifieth Macharius who had put some Hereticks to death that he had done no more herein then what Moses Phincas and Elias had done before him Bernard in his 66 Sermon in Cantica Out of doubt saith he it is better that they should be restrained by the Sword of Him who beareth not the Sword in vaine then that they should be suffred to draw many others into their Errour For he is the Minister of God for Wrath to every evill doer Calvins judgement is well knowne who procured the death of Michael Servetus for pertinacie in Heresie and defended his fact by a Book written of that Argument Beza also wrote a Booke de Haereticis Morte plectendis that Hereticks are to be punished with Death Aretius likewise tooke the like course about the Death of Valentinus Gentilis and justified the Magistrates proceeding against him in an History written of that Argument Finally you come to answer some maine Objections as you call them which yet are but one and that one objecteth nothing against what we hold It is say you no prejudice to the Common-wealth if Libertie of Conscience were suffred to such as feare God indeed which you prove by the examples of the Patriarchs and others But we readily grant you Libertie of Conscience is to be granted to men that feare God indeed as knowing they will not persist in Heresie or turbulent Schisme when they are convinced in Conscience of the sinfulnesse thereof But the Question is Whether an Heretick after once or twice Admonition and so after conviction or any other scandalous and heynous offender may be tolerated either in the Church without Excommunication or in the Common-wealth without such punishment as may preserve others from dangerous and damnable infection Thus much I thought needfull to be spoken for avoyding the Grounds of your Errour I forbeare adding Reasons to justifie the Truth because you may finde that done to your hand in a Treatise sent to some of the Brethren late of Salem who doubted as you doe The Lord Jesus lead you by a Spirit of Truth into all Truth through Jesus Christ. A REPLY to the aforesaid ANSWER of Mr. Cotton In a CONFERENCE betweene TRVTH and PEACE CHAP. I. Truth IN what darke corner of the World sweet Peace are we two met How hath this present evill World banished Me from all the Coasts Quarters of it and how hath the Righteous God in judgement taken Thee from the Earth Rev. 6. 4. Peace 'T is lamentably true blessed Truth the foundations of the World have long been out of course the Gates of Earth and Hell have conspired together to intercept our joyfull meeting and our holy kisses With what a wearied tyred Wing have I flowne over Nations Kingdomes Cities Townes to finde out precious Truth Truth The like enquiries in my flights and travells have I made for Peace and still am told she hath left the Earth and fled to Heaven Peace Deare Truth What is the Earth but a dungeon of darknesse where Truth is not Truth And what 's the Peace thereof but a fleeting dreame thine Ape and Counterfeit Peace O where 's the Promise of the God of Heaven that Righteousnes and Peace shall kisse each other Truth Patience sweet Peace these Heavens and Earth are growing Old and shall be changed like a Garment Psal. 102. They shall melt away and be burnt up with all the Works that are therein and the most high Eternall Creatour shall gloriously create New Heavens and New Earth wherein dwells Righteousnesse 2 Pet. 3. Our kisses then shall have their endlesse date of pure and sweetest ioyes till then both Thou and I must hope and wait and beare the furie of the Dragons wrath whose monstrous Lies and Furies shall with himselfe be cast into the lake of Fire the second death Revel 20. Peace Most precious Truth thou knowest we are both pursued and laid for Mine heart is full of sighes mine eyes with teares Where can I better vent my full oppressed bosome then into thine whose faithfull lips may for these few houres revive my drooping wandring spirits and here begin to wipe Teares from mine eyes and the eyes of my dearest Children Truth Sweet daughter of the God of Peace begin powre out thy sorrowes vent thy complaints how joyfull am I to improve these precious Minutes to revive our Hearts both thine and mine and the hearts of all that love the Truth and Peace Zach. 8. Peace Deare Truth I know thy birth thy nature thy delight They that know thee will prize thee farre above themselves and lives and sell themselves to buy thee Well spake that famous Elizabeth to her famous Attorney Sir Edward Coke Mr. Attourney goe on as thou hast begun and still plead not pro Domina Regina but pro Domina Veritate Truth 'T is true my Crowne is high my Scepter 's strong to breake down strongest holds to throw down highest Crownes of all that plead though but in thought against me Some few there are but oh how few are valiant for the Truth and dare to plead my Cause as my Witnesses in sack-cloth Revel 11. While all mens Tongues are bent like Bowes to shoot out lying words against Me Peace O how could I spend eternall dayes and endlesse dates at thy holy feet in listning to the precious Oracles of thy mouth All the Words of thy mouth are Truth and there is no iniquity in them Thy lips drop as the hony-combe But oh since we must part anon let us as thou saidst improve our Minutes and according as thou promisedst revive me with thy words which are sweeter then the honey and the honey-combe CHAP. II. DEare Truth I have two sad Complaints First The most sober
sonnes of men in this point To illustrate this The Church or company of worshippers whether true or false is like unto a Body or Colledge of Physitians in a Citie like unto a Corporation Society or Company of East-Indie or Turkie-Merchants or any other Societie or Company in London which Companies may hold their Courts keep their Records hold disputations and in matters concerning their Societie may dissent divide breake into Schismes and Factions sue and implead each other at the Law yea wholly breake up and dissolve into pieces and nothing and yet the peace of the Citie not be in the least measure impaired or disturbed because the essence or being of the Citie and so the well-being and peace thereof is essentially distinct from those particular Societies the Citie-Courts Citie-Lawes Citie-punishments distinct from theirs The Citie was before them and stands absolute and intire when such a Corporation or Societie is taken down For instance further The City or Civill state of Ephesus was essentially distinct from the worship of Diana in the Citie or of the whole city Againe the Church of Christ in Ephesus which were Gods people converted and call'd out from the worship of that City unto Christianitie or worship of God in Christ was distinct from both Now suppose that God remove the Candlestick from Ephesus yea though the whole Worship of the Citie of Ephesus should be altered yet if men be true and honestly ingenuous to Citie-covenants Combinations and Principles all this might be without the least impeachment or infringement of the Peace of the City of Ephesus Thus in the Citie of Smirna was the Citie it selfe or Civill estate one thing The Spirituall or Religious state of Smirna another The Church of Christ in Smirna distinct from them both and the Synagogue of the Iewes whether literally Iewes as some thinke or mystically false Christians as others called the Synagogue of Sathan Revel 2. distinct from all these And notwithstanding these spirituall oppositions in point of Worship and Religion yet heare we not the least noyse nor need we if Men keep but the Bond of Civility of any Civill breach or breach of Civill peace amongst them and to persecute Gods people there for Religion that only was a breach of Civilitie it selfe CHAP. VII Peace NOw to the second Quaerie What it is to hold forth Doctrine or Practice in an arrogant or impetuous way Truth Although it hath not pleased Mr. Cotton to declare what is this arrogant or impetuous holding forth of Doctrine or Practice tending to disturbance of Civill peace I cannot but expresse my sad and sorrowfull observation how it pleaseth God to leave him as to take up the common reproachfull accusation of the Accuser of Gods children to wit that they are arrogant and impetuous which charge together with that of obstinacie pertinacie pride Troublers of the Citie c. Sathan commonly loads the meekest of the Saints and Witnesses of Iesus with To wipe off therefore these fowle blurs and aspersions from the faire and beautifull face of the Spouse of Iesus I shall select and propose 5 or 6 cases for which Gods witnesses in all Ages and Generations of Men have been charged with arrogance impetuousnes c. and yet the God of Heaven and Iudge of all men hath graciously discharged them from such crimes and maintained and avowed them for his faithfull and peaceable servants First Gods people have proclaimed taught disputed for divers months together a new Religion and Worship contrary to the Worship projected in the Towne City or State where they have lived or where they have travelled as did the Lord Iesus Himselfe over all Galile and the Apostles after Him in all places both in the Synagogues and Market-places as appeares Acts 17. 2. 17. Acts 18. 48. Yet this no Arrogance nor Impetuousnesse Secondly Gods servants have been zealous for their Lord and Master even to the very faces of the Highest and concerning the persons of the Highest so far as they have opposed the Truth of God So Eliah to the face of Ahab It is not I but thou and thy Fathers house that troublest Israel So the Lord Iesus concerning Herod Goe tell that Fox So Paul God delivered me from the mouth of the Lion and to Ananias Thou whited wall and yet in all this no Arrogance nor Impetuousnesse Thirdly Gods people have been immoveable constant and resolved to the death in refusing to submit to false Worships and in preaching and professing the true worship contrary to expresse command of publicke Authority So the three famous Worthies against the command of Nobilchadnezzar and the uniforme conformity of all Nations agreeing upon a false worship Dan. 3. So the Apostles Acts 4 and 5 chap. and so the witnesses of Iesus in all ages who loved not their lives to the death Rev. 12. not regarding sweet life nor bitter death and yet not Arrogant nor Impetuous Fourthly Gods people since the comming of the King of Israel the Lord Iesus have openly and constantly profest that no Civill Magistrate no King nor Caesar have any power over the Soules or Consciences of their Subjects in the matters of God and the Crowne of Iesus but the Civill Magistrates themselves yea Kings and Keisars are bound to subject their owne soules to the Ministery and Church the Power and Government of this Lord Iesus the King of Kings Hence was the charge against the Apostles false in Civill but true in spiritualls that they affirmed that there was another King one Iesus Acts 17. 7. And indeed this was the great charge against the Lord Iesus Himself which the Iews laid against Him and for which he suffered Death as appears by the Accusation written over His Head upon the Gallows Iohn 9. 19. Iesus of Nazareth King of the Iewes This was and is the summe of all true preaching of the Gospell or glad newes viz. That God anointed Jesus to be the sole King and Governour of all the Israel of God in spirituall and soule causes Psal. 2. 6. Acts 2. 36. Yet this Kingly power of His he resolved not to manage in His owne Person but Ministerially in the hands of such Messengers which he sent forth to preach and baptise and to such as beleeved that word they preached Iohn 17. And yet here no Arrogance nor Impetuousnesse 5. Gods people in delivering the Minde and Will of God concerning the Kingdomes and Civill States where they have lived have seemed in all shew of common sense and rationall policie if men looke not higher with the eye of saith to endanger and overthrow the very Civill State as appeareth by all Ieremses preaching and counsell to King Zedechia his Princes and people insomuch that the charge of the Princes against Ieremiah was that he discouraged the Army from fighting against the Babylonians and weakned the Land from its own defence and this charge in the eye of reason seemed not to be unreasonable