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A19243 Pope Ioane A dialogue betvveene a protestant and a papist. Manifestly prouing, that a woman called Ioane was Pope of Rome: against the surmises and obiections made to the contrarie, by Robert Bellarmine and Cæsar Baronius Cardinals: Florimondus Ræmondus, N.D. and other popish writers, impudently denying the same. By Alexander Cooke. Cooke, Alexander, 1564-1532. 1610 (1610) STC 5659; ESTC S108622 128,580 142

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set both the Church and common wealth on fire who hired a bad fellow to tumble downe great stones from the battlements of a Church vpon the Emperours head to squeaze him in peeces whilst he was at his prayers who cast the Sacrament into the fire who ordinarily carried about him a coniuring booke who shreudly bebumd his predecessour Alexander who wrested the Scriptures to couer his leudnesse who at his death confessed that the diuell set him on worke to prouoke God to wrath against the world Why might not she sit there as well as Iohn the 23 who was fitter for the campe then for the Church for profane things then for the seruice of God as knowing no faith no religion at all who taught againe and againe and maintained it before many of good place That there was no life after this but that it was with men as with beasts Who in a word liued so scandalously that cōmonly he was called by them who knew him a plaine diuell incarnate Why might not she sit there as well as Iohn the twelfth who made Deacons in a stable who made a boy of ten yeares old a Bishop who made the Lateran a plaine stewes who drunke to the diuell who when he was at dice made his prayers vnto Iupiter and Venus and to such Idolatrous Gods of the heathen Who at length was slaine euen by the diuell himselfe while he was committing adulterie as before I noted If you cannot deny but God hath suffred these and many as euill as any of these except the last to occupie S. Peters roome you may well wonder with Antoninus at the storie of Pope Ioane and say Oh the depth of the wisedome of God how incredible be his iudgements c. But you haue no cause in this respect to denie it you haue no cause to cast it off as a fable But giue me leaue to aske you a question How should this tale of Pope Ioane arise if there was not such a Pope was there euer such a smoake and no fire such a report and no probabilitie PAP No indeed Great lies arise alwaies out of some truth And so did this For Iohn the twelfth to confesse a truth was a wenching fellow and among other wenches which he kept there was one called Ioane who was all in all with him and ruled the roast Now the people perceiuing what hand she had ouer him termed her Pope and despised him Whereupon the Churches enemies tooke occasion to slander the Church as though the Church had indeed had a woman Pope PROT. This is one of Florimondus reasons is it not PAP Yes He mentions this and likes indifferently well of it But he mentions it as out of Onuphrius Wherefore take you it rather as Onuphrius answer to your question then as Florimondus answer PROT. Content prouided that you tell me how Onuphrius proues that Iohn the 12. had such a maisterfull whore called Ioane PAP Onuphrius proues that out of Luitprandus Ticinēsis a writer of that age For he witnesseth as Onuphrius saith and Florimondus beleeues that Iohn the twelfth had 3. famous whores of whom the fairest and therefore the best beloued was called Ioane PROT. Luitprandus in the place cited by Onuphrius witnesseth that Iohn the 12. kept one famous whore whom he called Raynera whom he made gouernor of many cities and on whom be bestowed many golden crosses and chalices belonging to S. Peter In like manner he witnesseth that he kept another called Stephana and that he lay with married wiues with widowes with maides who came to visite the Apostolicall Churches And withall he witnesseth that he kept a third called Anna who was a widow and her neece making the pallace of Lateran no better then a baudie house But he no where names any Ioane on whom that worthy head of your Church Iohn the 12. doted Onuphrius I suppose mistook Ioanna for Anna and Florimondus iustified the prouerbe A foole beleeueth euery thing Haue you not another answer to second this PAP Yes I haue two or three besides this PROT. That 's well And what is the first of them I pray you PAP This Iohn the ninth was made Bishop of Bonony and afterwards Archbishop of Rauenna and at last Pope of Rome by the meanes of one Theodora a famous whore who swayed all matters at Rome in those daies Now the people perceiuing that this Theodora could turne this Iohn which way she would and leade him whither she list they held him worthier the name of a woman then of a man and therefore called him Ioane and not Iohn Whereupon arose the report of a Ioane Pope PROT. And who I pray you is the father of this answer PAP Iohannes Auentinus who by reason he was a Germaine borne knew best no doubt the originall of this fable as Florimondus sheweth PROT. Then Florimondus beleeues this too PAP He thinkes it verie probable PROT. But so did not his countryman Genebrard For Auentinus lib. 4. Annalium fabellam esse asserit à Theodora nobili scorto ortam saith Genebrard Ego vero è recentioribus adulatoribus in Romanae sedis odium c. That is Auentinus holdeth that this tale arose by reason of a noble whore called Theodora But I thinke some latter clawbacks of the Emperors deuised it to discredit the papal seate Thus Genebrard And is not Genebrards no as good as Florimondus yea especially sith Genebrard spent vpon his Chronicles ten whole yeares whereas Florimondus by reason of his Clients can spare no time for such studies PAP Genebrard was a worthy man I know But I respect no mans person wherefore giue me a reason why you dislike this conceit of Auentinus approued by Florimondus PROT. I will Yet first I would haue you know that though I grant that Iohn who was first B. of Bonony then of Rauenna and lastly of Rome came to those Bishopricks by the meanes of Theodora a famous whore in respect whereof your Cardinall historiographer makes question whether he was a Pope or no and termes him sometimes Pseudopontifex Antipapa a false Pope and Antipope sometimes intrusor detentor iniustus Apostolicae sedis an intruder and an vsurper of the Apostolicall chaire yet I denie that this was Iohn the ninth for he was Iohn the tenth Iohn the ninth came by good meanes to the Papacie as your Cardinall saith He caried himselfe honestly in it and died naturally but so did not this This confirmed a child vnder fiue yeares old in the Archbishopricke of Rhemes at which fact Baronius stands agast Then this turpior nullus cuius sicut ingressus in Cathedram Petri infamissimus ita exitus nefandissimus There was neuer a filthier fellow then this This entred with infamie and died fearefully This was stifled with a pillow by the procurement of one as famous for whoredome as