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A33521 A word to the upright for help and preservation in these erring dayes by errours detected, in a book, called, A testimony for the truth, Christ and his light, by some that go by the name of Quakers, wherein they manifest their foundation for salvation, which they call, the Christ of God / by him who seeks the well-fare of all men, Robert Cobbet. Cobbet, Robert. 1668 (1668) Wing C4775; ESTC R40844 31,405 34

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be spoken against and is not this Child the Babe born of Mary which saith Luke grew and waxed strong in spirit filled with wisdom and the Grace of God was upon him Blush you Atheistical and notional men that for a covering to your errours for that the Scriptures of truth rebukes you to shame for to hide your selves in your fallaciousness say that Christ was him that was in the person Jesus but at length through the Grace of God for the sake of his Son who is the truth you have unmasked your selves for a gloss tell us Israel drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them which Rock was Christ not distinguishing him as he was the word that made the all things from his capacity as he became flesh for Redemption of all things and thence being deceived deceive but we tell you that the Word who would become man in Christ became the arm and strength to Moses who he chose to be the Angel of his presence that saved them saved them by the hand of Moses from destruction from Pharoah and his Host by which bringing to them deliverance from the waves of the Sea and showing them his power by destroying the Aegyptian force obliged them to the obedience to Moses that God had made the Captain of their Host who being saved by his so wonderful power rejoyced in their salvation and sang the Song of Moses the Angel of Gods presence unto the Glory of God who was their Rock of power in his invisible strength being their salvation they drank of its salvation which obliged them to Moses and this is the meaning of the Apostle in his directing his Discourse to the Church which word of God being become our Redeemer in Christ as he saved Israel by the Angel of his presence from destruction of the waves and Pharoah's wrath to the intent they might possess the Land that he to Abraham had promised who being by what he appeared to Moses without the Creture type to himself what he would be in Christ within the Creture that as he led Israel by the hand of Moses into the Canaan Land to possess the fruits of this life figured to himself what he would bring his children unto by Christ in the City of God which was typ't by Israels Canaan of Rest But what shall be said to the scoffing Saducse more then that the stone that the builders refuse is become the chief corner stone and the head of the building But what makes this for your Opinion that the light in the conscience is Christ the light in their conscience saved them not neither is it said that they drank of the light Christ in conscience but of the rock that followed them which rock was Christ and if that the light in conscience could either have saved them out of the destruction of Pharoah and his Host they needed not the Angel of Gods presence Moses and the rock that followed them for their help likewise if the light in the conscience could have saved the world from sin there had been no need for God to have sent his Son the love of his bosom to dye for the world that they might be saved who being the promised one that God to Adam made when he said The Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head Is He the Lord and Saviour and not another but in that I am not ignorant of the strange conceptions that you have of the Seed and as monstrously speak of it am willing to present you with the truth you know that it is written That the Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head and the Scriptures declare that that Seed is Christ to whom the Covenant was made by God as written My Covenant shall be unto thee and unto thy Seed and to thy Seeds Seed so long as Sun and Moon shall endure who being the Seed promised it saith That if the Lord had not left us a Seed we had been as Sodom and Gomorrah who being him that was promised to Abraham that should come of his flesh came of his flesh from his Liniage of the Lines of Mary who being that holy thing that was begotten by the Holy Ghost of his Mother Mary for the Saviour saveth man from their sins through his sufferings and death to whom the Law Psalms Prophets and Apostles declares unto as their writings at large doth shew who being him that God promis'd for the Messiah that should save his people Israel from the hands of all their Enemies that they being delivered from fear might serve him all the dayes of their life and Christ being him to whom the promised are made in him they are Yea and Amen and Christ being the Seed God promised to Adam for his Salvation and his Seed the Word incorporates himself with and in that Christ that by that Christ salvation may be brought to light who being his power by which Christ repell'd the tempter with his temptation when tempted by him when led for that end into the wilderness and was his strength to undergo the wrath of God when he drank the Cup of his wrath and sustained him upon the Cross by whom he offered up his body unto death upon the Cross for reconciliation by whom he the word that reconciled the world unto himself by himself as it is written God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself not imputing to them their sins and Christ the Serpent breakers head God makes a promise unto that his children that he should beget by his power unto God should be concerned in the Covenant of life and peace in the Kingdom that he prepared for him who knowing who they were that believed on him prays his Father that he would keep them by his own name saying that while he was with them he had kept them but going to the Father from his children saith Father I pray not for the world but for those that thou hast gave me out of the world for they have loved me and have kept my word and believe that I came down from thee and that thou hast sent me and not for these alone but for those also that shall believe on me through their word which the parable he speaks doth clear for saith he the Seed of the Kingdom sown in the heart is the word and he that sows it is the Son of man and the children begotten by the word are the Seed of the Kingdom canst thou believe that thy eye may be inlightned to see the truth if so it be thy portion thou wilt see I have told thee the truth for it is written Thou art my Son This day have I begotten thee that thou shouldst be the light of the Gentiles and the glory of the people Israel who being begotten by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin his Mother Mary is and was that Seed of the Woman the breaker of the Serpents head So my conclusion is that the Seed Christ that is the Saviour is Christ in
A WORD TO THE UPRIGHT For Help and Preservation in these ERRING DAYES By Errours detected in a BOOK Called A TESTIMONY FOR THE TRUTH CHRIST and his LIGHT By some that go by the Name of QUAKERS wherein they manifest their Foundation for Salvation which they call The CHRIST of GOD. By him who seeks the well-fare of all men ROBERT COBBET London Printed in the Year 1668 A Word to the Vpright for help and preservation in these Erring Dayes A Pamphlet that Entitles it self wrote by some people called Quakers coming to my hands which may blind the eyes of some from having their persons and principles in admiration from a knowledge by experiencing of some things by them taught am willing for your sakes that desire you may know the truth to the acknowledging of the truth to set the truth before you that you may escape the errours of perdition and in that it saith He that denies me before men him will I deny before my Father that is in Heaven put my Pen once more to paper to the clearing up the truth the cause the Pamphlet from its Allegorizing the Scriptures of truth and its Erronious Assertions against the truth that doth so deface the beautiful face of the truth declared by Law Psalms and Prophets Christ and his Apostles that their requirings of men to the obedience of faith to Christ the Saviour of men who bought us by his blood is in danger I fear to be had in scorn and contempt with many and Atheisme start up and over-spread by the corrupting the young sprouts of the Nation to an Opinion of late broach't in this Nation the Opinion asserted is That the Light in Conscience whereof every man that comes into the world is enlightned is Christ Redeemer Advocate Mediatour and Saviour which I suppose if you will bear with me to say is a Doctrine and Gospel that hath no footing in Scriptures nor in any foundation at any time amongst the Sons of men till it took rise in fifty two by the hands of George Fox which Doctrine of the light in Conscience had it been kept in its Office as a School-Master to bring unto Christ had been a Doctrine of good Morality but putting it up for Christ the Advocate Mediator Redeemer and Saviour stands in my spirit as a high mistake for that to me it doth utterly deny the Son of God and makes null the blood of the Covenant and that it doth so appear to be the intent of the Writers of the paper is manifest by what is said in the paper of all Pro●… 〈…〉 having Faith on the Lord Jesus the Son of God for their Saviour and the sufferings of his person for their salvation in dirision called it Professors stuff querying whether it is good Doctrine to preach him in his person for Saviour and his death and sufferings the cause of salvation affirming that his sufferings are not everlasting and that the person Christ is not the Saviour of men but that that was Saviour something that was in that Christ to wit the Light in the Conscience positively declaring in a certain place that the blood of Christ was not that that did atone with God for man for the transgression of men But my business being to dissect the paper that if it may be to strengthen your Faith on the foundation the Prophets and Apostles have laid come to inspect the paper which paper pag. the 3. for what reason I know not unless this that the two first pages being to fence against the Scriptures that did at large confirm the truth being too plain a discovery of their bottom durst not stand to the judgment of men but say you contend not with me about the coming of the Lord in the flesh nor his death sufferings resurrection and ascention but if true that you said your paper had kept in we must intreat your patience to step along with us a little before you come to meet with an unfolding this mystery for truly I must tell you that my friends are in a cloud but by what above said you may have a guess of what they mean by their dark sayings but in that we shall meet with these particulars in the paper we pass to Page the 4. Where they tell you that Christ was truly a Light before and when he took upon him the form of a Servant both before he appeared in a bodily similitude in the likeness of sinfull flesh and then also and is Gods salvation to the ends of the Earth which extends farther then his personal presence did though therein he did bear witness to the truth to his inward and spiritual manifestation to the new and living way Friends pray be not offended with me to tell you the Serpent twinds about the Tree to catch you in his deep deceit for having told you that his appearing in flesh was to bear witness to his inward and spiritual appearing which they that know him so that know no man after the flesh that though so had known him yet so know him no more to make you believe they are some excellent things fly aloft by telling you the real end of his coming in flesh is known and reserved in the spirit which say you he directed his unto and in a caper cry that his name was from everlasting and is to everlasting the Lord is one and his name one receive it who can Friends I pray be not big worded out of the truth I deny not but the ends of the coming of the Lord into the world was to beget his Children into fellowship by communion with his Father and Himself by giving to them his Life which is mans Light which my Brethren being our Salvation we have it by him who is our Saviour Christ Jesus who hath bought us to God by the price of his blood and for the big words the Lord is one and his name one receive it who can we own it for ever that our God is only one God but this is as he is unmanifested but as God is manifested he is Father Word and Spirit and although God is one of whom are all things yet there is the Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things who is Mediatour betwixt God and man and Christ by whom is all things being the word that was made flesh for redemption of man did the Fathers will in that body of flesh through the offering it up to the death of the Cross by the Eternal Spirit according as he said I will give my flesh for the Life of the world who giving it up unto death reconciled us unto God by the body of his flesh that tasted death as saith the Scriptures and although he is Everlasting as he is the Word yet as he was the man Christ he was of time according to the saying Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee which you find was when the Holy Ghost over-shaddowed Mary which was saith Paul When the fulness of time
himself by which offering broke down the middle wall of partition that stood against us and the hand-writing of Ordinances nailing our sins upon the Cross by which he made of that that was twain one having by death made peace which blood being the blood of his Humanity as he was creture was that that did with God expiate for sin Wherefore I aske thee Was it the God-head that was in Christ that dyed for the sins of the world or was it the Man-head that the God-head assumed to himself from the Lines of Adam that had fallen from bliss for whom an Offering must be made with blood I aske was it the Godhead in Christ upon whom the Cross lay by reason that man had sinned or was it the soul of Christ as Christ was man upon whom the Cross lay that offered himself up an Offering for sin in that it is written The Soul that sinneth shall dye I aske was it the Godhead in Christ that was the Offering that satisfied by death for sin or was it Christ in his person that bore our grief and carried our sorrows I aske was it the God-head in Christ that was smitten by the appointment of Pilate when Christ stood before his judgment-seat or was it the man Christ in his person I ask was the blood and the water that ran out of the side of the Lord which the Souldier pierc't the God-heads blood or the blood of Jesus as he was man in his person I aske was the body that was nailed upon the Cross which bore away our sins the God-head or was it the cretural body of our Lord I aske was the spirit of our Lord which groaned to God for Lazarus to rise from death the Deity or his own spirit as he was cretural since he said Father into thy hand I commit my spirit I ask was the soul of the Lord Jesus which his Father would not leave in Hell the God-head or was it the Man-head since he said My soul is heavy unto death and prayed that if it was possible the Cup might pass from him I aske was the Sacrifice that was so sweet a savour in the nostrils of God the God-head that was put to death or was it the Humanity of the Lord that became the Atoner for the world since not possible for the God-head to dye I ask did the Sacrifices of the Law type to the God-head of Christ as that by death he should satisfie for the sins of the world or did they type to Christ in his person to be the sacrifice since that God is neither Nature nor Creture I ask did the God-head cry My God my God when Christ was on the Cross why hast thou forsaken me or did the man Christ cry My God my God why hast thou forsaken me since the God-head cannot forsake it self I ask was the light Christ you say that was in that body Christ that body that God prepared to do his will or that body Christ with Soul and Spirit since the light is not no compaction consisting in a personal attraction that it should have flesh and blood for a body to suffer death since it is written only of Christ that God dwelt bodily in Christ in the fulness of his God-head and that it doth not any where speak of the light Christ in that person Christ unless it be in your own Books whereof indeed your Books are full therefore I conclude that the Christ that did lay down his life for a Saviour for man was not the light in conscience but Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews Now what shall I say but that the man Christ Jesus our Lord is both Lord and Christ and him hath God sealed for Christ and Saviour as he was in his person born of Mary which Simeon took up in his arms blessing God for performing to him his word that to him he had spoken Page the eighth ask that if the Light Prophets and Patriarks had they was not to trust in it for salvation perfection and justification how did it lead them to fear God when in all Nations he that feared God and wrought righteousness is accepted and not the hearers of the Law but the doers of the Law shall be justified Why are you Preachers since you know not the truth for know not you that it is said If there had been a Law given that could have gave life then righteousness had been by that Law but saith it not the Law hath concluded all under sin therefore the words asserted by you are not rightly applyed for that they relate not but to the Covenant of works as man stood related to God by nature but man not capable to keep the Law by reason of his sinfulness of flesh the Covenant of Grace came in that required faith on him that fulfilled the Law for man taking upon him the Curse that to us was due for sin the just died for the unjust who fulfilling the Law is the end of the Law to every one for righteousness that on him doth believe and that since by the Law man could not have life for that all had sinned and come short of the Glory the Covenant of Grace by faith o● Christ hath offered it self to bring m●n into the Glory for the Law saith Cursed be he that continueth not to do all things contained in the Law and he that doth the Law shall be justified by the Law and he that breaks the Law shall be condemned by the Law and the Law wrote in mans heart being the same Law that was wrote on Tables of stone so many as have sinned in the Law shall perish by the Law and so many as have sinned without Law shall perish without Law for saith he that when the Gentiles which have not the Law do by nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law are a Law unto themselves which show the work of the Law wrote in their hearts their consciences bearing witness and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another wherefore he saith by works no man shall be justified in Gods sight Now then if our justification be not by the Law nor by works done by the Law How say you that the light in Patriarks and Prophets was that that justified them and made them perfect and faith it not that by faith Abraham was justified and his faith was accounted to him for Righteousness who seeing the day of Christ rejoyced but since it is for a certain that that that did for man make peace with God was the blood of Jesus which God made Covenant with that by it he would send forth the prisoner out of the pit wherein there is no waters wherefore it is written He that believeth shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned And is not the saying of Simeon come upon you that the child Iesus should be set for the falling and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to