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A18448 The oration of the most noble and reverende father in God the Lorde Cardinalles Grace of Lorrain made and pronounced in thassemblie [sic] at Poyssi, the kyng beyng present, the sixtene daye of Septembre, in the yeare of our Lorde 1561 / translated out of Frenche into Englishe by T.S. Guise, Charles de, Cardinal de Lorraine, 1525-1574. 1561 (1561) STC 5010.5; ESTC S283 23,800 31

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is putte oute of the Churche he ought to bee vnto vs as a heathen or publican And althoughe that in this poyncte there is but one onely and simple veritie yet good God howe many sortes doo we see of Sacramentaries That woulde to God you woulde in deede referre them as you seeme by woorde in the .xxviii. article of youre confession prynted Howe ofte doo they reproue one an others opinion and yet howe ofte doo they change their owne In suche sorte that in the exposition of the wordes of our Lorde in his supper they be so among theim selues deuided that a manne way easily shewe you eighte opinions at the least not onely diuers but some of theim also cleane contrarye Howe muche better were it to perseuer in the opinion whiche the Catholike churche delyuered vnto vs frome the beginnyng whych in few wordes is this The opinion of the sacrament in the beginning That the very and lyuinge bodye of oure Lorde IESVS CHRIST and his very blood is present in this holy sacrament and is there receyued And these be those reasons besides an infinite number of other that kepeth within the vniuersall churche in this simplicitie of confession and puritie of faith my reuerend brothers the archebishops and bishops and al other that befor the religion here assembled First and formoste the verye and expresse woordes of oure Lorde This is my bodye This is my bloode Whiche wordes yf they be not of so great force as they be in word and sounde why bee the selfe same woordes and the lyke in all poynctes repeted by the three Euangelistes and by thapostle Sainct Paule Wherefore after the sayenge of Saincte Mathewe the fyrste of the Euangelistes Sainte Marke Saint Luke or saincte Paule doo not write after suche fashion as oure sacramentaries so longe tyme after would make exposition sithens that it is not a thynge contrary to the custom of the said Euangelists that in a matter of farre lesse importance they themselues sometymes doo make exposition and sometyme the writyng of the one is made playne by the other As where the first and the thirde saythe That it is a harde thynge yea and impossible for a ryche man to entre into the kyngdome of heauen The seconde as it were expoundyng the other calleth hym the ryche man which putteth his trust in his rychesse The other .iii. also doo saye that that thyng which to men is impossible is possible with God The like also is to be sene in other places sufficientely whyche for breuitie I do omyt So sayth that holy martyr and philosopher Iustin in his seconde apologie to the Emperor Antonine that the apostles haue taught vs in their writinges which bee called the gospels that this holy meate which we calle Eucharistia is the flesh the body blood of our sauior IESVS CHRIST But in this point there is muche more And because that in these fewe wordes Hoc est corpus meam spoken by saint Mathew and saint Marke there should remaine no doubte Saint Luke hath expressed the same by woordes The opinion of the Euangelistes makynge therof no maner of doubt or ambiguitie This is my body saith he which is deliuered for you as though he wold say not a mysticall bodye as the churche is called by S. Paule but the body of the fleshe of Iesus Christ certainly true and conceiued by the workyng of the holy ghoste of the purest blood of the most blessed and perpetual virgin Mary This body of fleshe I say wherwith the day after he spake these wordes in his supper he dyd reconcile vs by his deathe vnto God his father And here we must note that in these wordes there be foure things Fovver thynges to be considered in the sacrament Psal 18 An historie written plain true without doubt a most clere euident cōmandement For the cōmandemēt of our Lorde doth lighten and illuminate our eies A Testamēt cōfirmed by the death of the testator therfore of strength force Which ought not to be so obscure as to cause the heires to bee in controuersie sute about his will made so plaine and manifest by the wordes of the testament Rom. 8. whereby we bee heires of God and the coheires of IESVS CHRIST It is also a sacrament whiche maketh and exhibiteth that which it doothe figurate Whiche foure thinges ought not to bee vnderstanded allegorically or spoken by parable but the sence thereof to be kept whiche we obserue For nothyng can bee spoken more plaine And yet notwithstandynge ye wyll not acknowledge this sence who shal be iudge of this controuersie or rather who herein shold be more indifferent and iust then our cōmune mother The Church I say which went before vs and hath regenerated vs all in Iesus Christ And this is the vniuersall consent of our old and holy fathers beyng either assembled in general coūcels or els writē by them whē they were dispersed throughout the churches in all tymes And firste touching the coūcels forasmuch as the first .iiii. Generall councels approue the veritie of Christes holy in the sacrament general Coūcels be by ye aproued acknowleged This same faith wherof we haue made profession here before is writen in the acts of the coūcel of Nice which was the first and in the councel of Ephesus which was the third In al other coūcels which haue bene sythens that tyme celebrated there canne nothing bee found to the contrarie albeit that alwaies euen before those iiii great councelles this doctrine hath ben thus preached so of all men written And the churche of god during so troublous tymes wanted not false bishops false ministers and false christians louers of dissentions and diuisiōs who knowing all kinde of Idolatrye had no more power to dissemble their faith herein then these holy bishops to abide suffer the same And thus much touchyng Councelles But which way shal I begin to enter in the testimonies of our fathers shal I begyn frō this yere vntil the apostels time folowing the order and succession of our bishops and the names of the churches wherein God hath bene called vppon Shall I speake of this laste fiue hundred yeares or of the other fiue hundred yeres to a thousand Which no doubte be great in number sufficient to prescribe against an Innouatour But you desire an other thing Let vs speake then if ye wil stand thervnto of the first fiue hundred yeres which immediatly folowed the doth of our Lord IESVS CHRIST Lette vs all make I saye of that most pure and holly tyme a councell where the writinges of al our bishops doctors and pastours of all the churches whether they were in Asia in Europa or Africa be pervsed sene let vs folow the pluralitie of voices of al their opinions not onely in the cōtrouersy which we haue in this holy sacrament but in al other wherin oure payne and trauayle shall not bee greate Doctors and learned men of