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A18368	A treatise against iudicial astrologie Dedicated to the right Honorable Sir Thomas Egerton Knight, Lord Keeper of the great Seale, and one of her Maiesties most honorable priuie Councell. VVritten by Iohn Chamber, one of the prebendaries of her Maiesties free Chappell of VVindsor, and fellow of Eaton College.	Chamber, John, 1546-1604.	1601 (1601)	STC 4941; ESTC S107654	105,203	193

at any time they saye true yet it is so that any man may see it was rather by hap then by skill For if any vnskilfull man not professed that way should set downe weather for euery day at all aduenture we doubt not but he would hit sometime euen as they doe But the vanitie of their trade can no way better appeare then by comparing of diuerse Almanacks together where you may see if you wil see the exceeding folly of both parts as well of them in writing as others in beleeuing Adrian Turnebus reporteth of himselfe that he was wont to make trial of their art By this meanes many times saith he to trie their art at the beginning of the yeare in a new almanacke where they write raine I write drouth where they calme I windie where they cleare I clowdie obseruing the euent and at the yeares end I gathered the sum of both our predictions found my selfe a great deale better and truer Astrologer Whereby we may see what a goodly art that is which a man may seeme to haue by scoffing and laughing at it but what will blessed Cardan himselfe say in this case In his commentaries lib. 1. cap. 2. his words be these of Astrologers they handle saith he their matters so carelesly that they make the art to be great y slaundered Since therefore their predictions are for the most part false or rather all false to speake on it is plaine they proceed not from any art or certaine obseruations but of rash and ignorant babling at all aduenture Betwene art and hap hazard is this difference the one hitteth oft and very sildome faileth the other faileth commonly and scarse euer hitteth no not one in a hundred Now what reason is there that one trueth should credit so many lies rather then so many lies shold discredit that one trueth which might haue bin a lie as well as the rest but that the blinde man sometimes hitteth the haire But since their lies are mo then their truthes why may we not thinke that they hit vppon the truth by chance for when they conclude that their art is good because sometime they hit by as good an argument will I proue that all arts be they neuer so superstitious sottish are good for there is none of them but if they be still ghessing they wil sometime hit Wherfore if Astrologers shal condēne any diuining arts as false they may be proued to speake contradictories since they may be all proued true by as good reason as they bring for their art but if againe they shall hold them all for true they shal be no lesse subiect to contradiction For suppose the Chiromancer the Astrologer and the Geomancer were al put to one question no doubt they would seeldome agree in the truth and when any of them hapned vpon the truth you should finde it there where you least looked for it either because chaunce ruleth most where there is least reason or because in the worse arts the diuell is more ready to deceiue For that of S. Augustine is most true that Astrologers by the inspiration of the diuell which they perceiue not doe sometime tell the truth which hapneth most commonly when they seeme miraculously to foretell any particular euent For Ptolemy himselfe saith that no man can foretell a particular without some diuine inspiration The Astrologers iugling in predictions and our rashnes in beleeuing seemeth Tullie to haue touched very finely lib. 2. de diuinat What needeth many words saith he since we see daily these iugling companions conuinced how many things haue I knowne them to assure Pompey Crassus and Cesar that none of them should die til he was old at home and with very good reputation and famously yet Pompey died in Egypt where he was beheaded Caesar in the Senate by stabbing Crassus among the Parthians with his whole army Wherefore I cannot but maruaile saith Tully if any liue who will beleeue them whose predictions are daily confuted by deedes and euents Seneca in his booke entitled Ludus in mortem Claudij Caesaris by the way gyrding and scoffing at these vagabond lyers maketh Mercury perswading the furies to kill Claudius to vse this reason to wit that these miserable Chaldeans may not alway lie For they were wont yeare by yeare and moneth by moneth to giue out the death of Claudius his words are these Patere istos mathematicos aliquādo verū dicere which euery yeare moneth since he came to the state haue bin burying him much like this of Claudius is that which is written of pope Alexander the sixt of that name the Astrologers of that age were wont to giue out year by yeare that he was but a dead man and cold not passe still the present year yet as it were in contempt of their predictions he liued still and held out strong and lusty But in the yeare 153. these wise artificers changing their note would now contrary blesse him with long life affirming that he should liue long in great successe and prosperitie But least they should be any whit truer in now prophesying his life then they had bin before in prophesying his death he died in the selfesame yeare See with what a full streame and maine opposition Saint Ambrose went against these liars lib. 4. in Hexaem Cap. 7. A little while agoe saithe he when there was great need of rain one said lo now the new moon will bring shortly raine and notwithstanding our great want yet I was loth that such blinde assertions should proue true Finally I was very glad that wee had no raine til it being obtained by the prayers of the church gaue sufficient proofe that we were not to rely vpon the change of the moone but vpon the prouidence and grace of the creatour By this example the vanitie of Astrology was confuted and the force of christianitie and godly prayer confirmed Albumazar referring all great chaunges to ten reuolutions of Saturne which is in 300 yeares hath counted Christ to be borne 600. yeares after Alexander the great in which computation he is about 300. yeares out But no maruell of him since he is so far out in a plainer computation of Ptolemy the mathematique making him one of the kings of Egypt which raigned after Alexander when it is well knowne to the contrary that he was no king and liued in Adrian the last time 160 yeares after those Ptolemyes that were kinges of Egypt It were infinite to lay their lies together that one of 1588. may stand for many and the rather because it hapned in our memory It were well that all of that trade had those two figures 88. seared in their foreheads that when they meet they might laugh one at another as did the Aruspices in olde time Howsoeuer they might laugh it was no laughing matter to the Catholike king and his inuincible Nauie who will be famous for that exploit till 88 come againe The Spaniards belike thought that this consummation

which they vse when they are vrged with the examples of beasts plants and such like As was said before a great question might be moued whether for men the conception or natiuitie were to be taken for other things the same doubt is greater For example in a chicken are three notable times the hatching the laying of the egge and the first conception of it If a figure-flinger should be asked the destiny of an hen whether shee were to die at shrouetide or by the foxe or to be thrashed to death to answer the question which of these three times would he take for setting his figure Againe the hen hatching all her young ones at once let him answere whether they must all haue the same fortune how many of them should flye away with the kite how many die of the pip or otherwise In sowing of corne though it all fall into the ground at once in the same position of heauē yet you shall see it proue diuersly of some will come good wheate of some darnell of some smutty geare and of some that which we call solders which could not be if the figure of heauen preuailed Farther I haue heard of some husbandmen that one and the selfe same graine shooting out from his roote diuerse eares will yeelde some of them good wheate other some smutty To these and such like obiections they are wont to answer that their art extēdeth no farther then men it doth not reach to cattes wormes flies herbes and such like To this their answer we may well reply that of S. August lib. 2. de Gen. ad lit cap. 17. Quid autem insulsius et hebetius quam cum istis rebus conuincuntur dicere ad solos homines sibi subijciendos fatalem stellarum pertinere rationem What can be more senslesse or sottish then when they are vrged with these things to say the starres haue power onely ouer men to rule them Phauorinus in the 14. of Gel. cap. 1. saith Nulla ratio videtur cur ea syderum vis in hominibus valeret si deficeret in caeteris It were no reason to say that the starres had power ouer men if they had none in other things But will you see the brauery of imprudency They that now restraine their art to men only denying it in beastes are wont when it pleaseth them to extend it euen to citties houses and such like as if by constellations they could tell vs what should become of these things The story of Taruntius Firmanus is reported by Tull. lib. 2. de diuinatione who at the request of Varro cast the natiuitie of the citie of Rome Quidam Lucius Firmanus familiaris noster inprimis Chaldaicis rationibus eruditus vrbis etiam nostrae natalem diem repetebat abijs Parilibus quibus eam a Romulo conditam accepimus Romāque in iugo quum esset Luna natamesse dicebat nec eius fata canere dubitabat O vim maximam erroris etiam ne vrbis natalis dies ad vim stellarum lunae pertinebit Fac in puero referre ex qua affectione coeli primum spiritum duxerit num hoc in latere aut in coemento ex quibus vrbs effecta est potuit valere One Lucius Firmanus an acquaintance of mine a very odde fellow for mathematiques was wont to fetch the pedigree of our cittie from that feast wherein it is thought to haue been builded by Romulus Farther he added that the moone at that time was in Libra not sticking also to reade the destiny of it O the force of ignorance must the foundation euen of a citie be drawne too within the compasse of Moone stars Admit it were of some moment in a child how the heauens were affected when it was borne must therefore the like needs bee graunted in bricke and mortar wherof the city was made In Merton Colledge in Oxford in the Wardens lodging a window there hath the figure of heauen when the first stone was laid with these verses adioyned Cubice sume decem vndena bis accipe quadrae Summis sex septem iungas tempora Christi Tunc surgunt domus haec condita quando fuit Richardi impensis Fitziames Praesidis aedis Sedi Roffensi Praesulis eximij Do take the cube of ten and eke of twentie two the square To which adde sixe and seuen and so of Christ wil come the yeare When the first stone here was laid Pisces 5. Mercurius 27 Luna 1. Aquarius 16. Venus 15. Capricor 28 Capricor 10. Sagit 2. Iupiter 11 Scorpio 11 Libra 19 Virgo 5. Leo. 16. Cancer 28. Cancer 10. Taurus 5 Mars 5 Gem. 2. Aries 19. Sol. 2. Saturn 1 Figura coeli in primilapidis iactura anno Christi 1497. 12. die Martij hora 10. minuto 20. ante meridiem dies erat Sabathi hora verò Veneris CHAP. VIII Of the vncertaintie and falshood of their Predictions BVut to grant them which is more then needs that there is somwhat in their predictions yet it is no more then we see was of old in Apollos Oracles such as that Aio te Aeacida Romanos vincere posse Aeacida the Romans stout Shall ouercome there is no doubt Or that Croesus Halim penetrans magnam peruertet opū vim Croesus by passing Halis floud Shall be the bane of mickle good For some in steed of a man will describe vnto you a dawe or such like One missing a siluer spoone which was hidden by a Cornish Chogh which hee had in his house and going to the figure-flinger to know what was become of his spoone the figure-flinger answered the party which had it had long legs went in a blacke coate with a paire of red stockings he had a beake nose was borne westward from that place he might seeme to be a gentleman by his high birth but he thought no Englishmā by reason of his strange tongue Now the Chogh indeed had long legges red shanks blacke feathers a beake was borne westward and high and in steed of speach chattereth With this blind description many were called into suspition but the poore Chogh in the end was found to haue hid the spoone This tale goeth for good with many but I am out of doubt that they cannot ghesse so well If they will get any credit to their ghesses let thē ghesse at somewhat that shall happen to morrow or shortly after the euent whereof we are like to see and as they carry themselues in that so trust them in the rest If in these and such like they shall faile shall we bee such puppies as to beleeue them in the rest As if they colde say true in nothing but where they could not be controlled If we were not too much besotted that which they say about windes and weather as snowe raine frost drouth and such others might sufficiently put vs in minde how to credit them in the rest and that there is no art in their predictions How commonly doe they say false in these And if

〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and sometime 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 If any man wil call to mind how willingly Virgil is wont to imitate Homer how glad he is whēsoeuer his good hap is to resemble him he will easily acknowledge that this my coniecture is not altogether 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is to no purpose and out of tune For answer to the first reason where it was said that the leape yeare changeth the nature of things we say that it is most false for neither could I euer obserue it in any and this present 1600. being leape yeare doth sufficiently conuince the contrarie For wee see the course of nature by that means nothing interrupted or changed for we continue all still as wee were last yeare men are men and women are women still neither are fruit or beastes or bathes or children euer a whit weaker or worse then they were other yeares So that the leape yeare for any thing I see might well vse the defence of merie Skelton who being a Priest and hauing a child by his wife euerie one cryed out oh Skelton hath a child fie on him c. Their mouthes at that time he could not stop but on a holy day in a mery mood he brought the child to Church with him and in the pulpit stript it naked and held it out saying See this child is it not a pretie child as other children be euen as any of yours hath it not legs armes head feet limbes proportioned euery way as it shuld be If Skelton had begot a monster as a calfe or such like what a life should poore Skelton haue had then So we say for the leape yeare if it had changed the nature of things as it is charged how should it haue done then to defend it selfe If the nature of any thing change in the leap yeare it seemeth to be true in men and women according to the answer of a mad fellowe to his mistresse who being called knaue by her replied that it was not possible for said he if you remember your selfe good mistresse this is leape yeare and then as you know well knaues weare smockes But for farther answer we must tell them that the leape yeare is no worke of nature but ex positione humana at mans appointment and pleasure Wherefore since the leape yeare is but an humane cōstitution it cannot be that it should change the nature of things For the obiection of shepheards and Fruterers we say that it is but a lewd shift of craftie hinds to deceiue their masters bearing them in hand that their things are dead when they haue stolne them For the obiection of women with childe in those yeares it is of small force considering how timerous and fearfull they be and how naturally giuen to superstition Whereas they goe about to proue that the leape yeare is Saturnine by the working of melancholie which is euery fourth day the answere is plaine that melancholy in working obserueth the fourth day as we see in quartaine agues but in Saturne it is nothing so who leapeth rather by fiue for still after three ordinarie yeares complete commeth the fourth leape yeare otherwise quite then in a quartaine ague where we see continually but two good daies and the third euill and yet it is called and counted a quartaine although I am not ignorant that countrey people commonly call it the third day ague The like grossenesse is committed when they say that the Moone by her moisture raigneth ouer flegme and the sea which if it were true why should we not haue two fits euery day of a quotidian as we haue two sea tides Againe the leape yeare being but a humane constitution it had a time when it began before that time when there was no leap yeare nor intercalating what was to be said then And if we should not intercalate euerie fourth yeare but euerie eight yeare putting in two dayes or euerie twelfth yeare putting in three dayes should only those yeares bee bad and dismall And now that the Pope intercalateth certaine dayes sooner then we and at euery 130. yeares quite otherwise then we will that make no alteration in the leap yeare Againe why may not any other of the three yeares be the fourth yeare as well as the leape yeare CHAP. XX The vanitie of Criticall dayes howsoeuer deduced whether from Galens new moneth Hippocrates numbers or Conciliators tetragonicall aspects Galen the first authour and founder of criticall dayes lib. 3. de diebus criticis hath related to vs two lunarie influences the one by reason of the sun of whome the Moone borroweth her light the other by reason of the signes of the Zodiake which she passeth through once monthly Then he setteth downe as both allowed by Astrologers and confirmed by experience that the Moone in opposite and quadrangular aspects either in respect of the Sun or in respect of the twelue signes doth make great alterations in quadrangular distances frō the change shewing half only and in opposite distances the whole at full and so altereth the state of the aire Farther he affirmeth the same alterations to happen to things whē the Moone commeth to the quadrangular and opposite places to those where it was when any thing was bred or borne For example If any thing began to be the Moone being in Taurus it should vndergoe these alterations when the Moone is come to Leo and Aquarius which are signes quadrangularly respecting Taurus which also he confirmeth with the authoritie of the Egiptians Hence he thought to find the certaine and sure cause of criticall daies especially since the seuenth and the fourteenth dayes are holden as principall critikes because in the seuenth day the Moone commeth to the fourth signe from that which it was in at the beginning of the disease and in the foureteenth day to the opposite place of the same in which two places because the Moone is wont to make stirres it falleth out that in those daies likewise the diseases be troublesome and busie to death if the disease be dangerous but to good helth if it be otherwise Now Galen being desirous to proue not only the 21. as Archigenes would haue it but the twētieth also to be critical he fetcheth that from the course of the Moone which goeth round once euery 27. dayes eight houres which time is called mensis peragrationis and periodicus that is the peragration moneth Then parting this moneth into foure equall parts he alloweth to euery quarter sixe dayes twentie houres so that the 21. day by the course of the Moone belonged partly to the 21. day naturall partly to the twentieth For his twelue first houres ended concluded the twentieth day the rest beginning the 21. day This being thus he concludeth that criticall motions fall vpon the twentieth day in long diseases which proceed by numbers equall to the diseases the Moone comming to his second quadrangle in that number of daies And againe vpon the 21. day naturall in sharpe diseases