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A58130 A dialogue betwixt two Protestants in answer to a popish catechism called A short catechism against all sectaries : plainly shewing that the members of the Church of England are no sectaries but true Catholicks and that our Church is a found part of Christ's holy Catholick Church in whose communion therefore the people of this nation are most strictly bound in conscience to remain : in two parts. Rawlet, John, 1642-1686. 1685 (1685) Wing R352; ESTC R11422 171,932 286

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certainly it hath an apparent tendency to the ruine of precious Souls and is a mighty prejudice to Piety and Holiness of Life as hath formerly been cited For if men can once perswade themselves that after death there may be satisfaction made for the neglects and miscarriages of their Life what wonder if they are now careless and licentious And instead of working out their own salvation themselves with fear and trembling they will be apt to leave the trouble of that work to their Executors and to the Priests by their Masses and Prayers to do it for them But woe be to those miserable Souls who build their hopes on such ruinous foundations and woe be to those Teachers who betray them to ruine by such delusions thereby serving their own bellies rather than the Lord Iesus and the interest of Religion But let us be wise now in this our day to consider the things that belong to our peace before they be hid from our eyes Now by a speedy Repentance and thorow Reformation let us see to make our peace with God through Jesus Christ in this day of Grace and Patience but if we neglect this present season there remains hereafter no more Sacrifice for Sin but a certain fearful looking for of Divine vengeance which will be the portion of all wilfull neglecters and contemners of Grace and Mercy But let us go on with your Author CHAP. IX Of having Prayers in an unknown Tongue L. HE next goes about to vindicate their use of the Latine Tongue in the Mass and the rest of their Service T. And pray what can he alledge in vindication of their using this Language when the people understand it not L. Why first he says that the Priestly Garments and the ceremonies they use may serve to instruct them for he had before said how useful their ceremonies are for the exciting of devotion and then for further instruction they must go to Catechisms and Sermons T. They had need to be very ingenious people who can learn from Priests garments and dumb ceremonies what 's the meaning of Latin Prayers Nay their multitude of ceremonies are so far from instructing the ignorant people that rather they need much instruction to know the meaning of them And instead of exciting devotion they rather extinguish and suppress it by amusing their minds and pleasing their senses with a great deal of pomp and pageantry Whatever instructions their Priests may give at Catechisms and Sermons they are not like to make them understand prayers uttered in a strange language L. He further adds that simple ignorant people may easily be mistaken if these high mysteries were done in the vulgar tongue T. A wise method truly to keep people in ignorance for fear they should run into mistakes as if a man should blindfold a Travailer to prevent his missing the way But one would think they should here rather employ themselves in the Catechisms and Sermons they talk of to give the people due instruction for the preventing those mistakes they seem so much afraid of Though by the course they take with them in this and other instances it 's plain enough they are more afraid of the peoples getting too much knowledg And no wonder whilst its a common saying amongst them that Ignorance is the mother of Devotion and so truly it is of the devotion or rather the superstition of the Romish Church whereas the most clear and solid knowledg of the will and word of God is the mother of true Christian piety and devotion But has your Author no better reasons than these for this absurd practice L. Other reasons he has whether better or not do you judg He says it makes for the union of the Latin Church that Priests travailing into other Countries may say Mass where ever they come T. Very sollicitous they appear for the union of the Latin Church that is of their own party and in the mean time care little what divisions they make in the Christian Church for their own carnal ends But of mighty consequence is this project for union which your Author mentions For what need is there I beseech you that a Priest in a foreign Countrey should officiate there where they may have Priests of their own to do it And can there not be union enough betwixt foreign Churches and the Priests that belong to them in their profession of the same faith and owning the same worship except they speak the same language and use the very same words One would think they should rather consult for an union betwixt Priest and people that they might joyn together at the same time in the same prayers but this they regard not It 's enough it seems with them for the people to be spectators only even at publick prayers as well as at the Communion though they neither understand the one nor partake of the other For very usual it is with them for the Priests alone to take the Sacrament whilst the people stand by and look on a most corrupt custom and meer innovation contrary to the first institution and design of this holy Ordinance and to the practice of all antiquity And as that cannot properly be called a Communion where Priests and people do not communicate together so neither are those to be stiled common prayers in which they do not joyn in common Nor has your Author hitherto produced any thing like a reason for this custom of theirs L. And I doubt you 'l think his last argument as weak as any viz. that the holy Scriptures have been written in Latin Greek and Hebrew these three languages being written upon Christs Cross they are therefore called Sacred and it s permitted to these three Nations to use them at Mass. T. I confess I am utterly to seek for the force of this argument if it be fit to call it so whilst it argues just nothing to the purpose The holy Scriptures were written originally in Hebrew and Greek and have been translated not only into Latin but several other Languages for the benefit of those of several Nations who were converted to Christianity of which more hereafter and accordingly they had their worship also celebrated in the same languages which the people understood as our ancestors in this Kingdom had And this surely every mans own reason may tell him is most profitable and necessary in order to true devotion that they may understandingly and affectionately joyn with the Priest in the publick worship and service This you will find expresly delivered by the Apostle Paul himself in 1 Cor. 14. 16 c. where he disapproves the use of strange Tongues in the Church as not tending to edification for that he who understood them not could not say Amen to the Prayers or Praises uttered in those unknown Tongues As to those three Languages he mentions being written upon the Cross and therefore allow'd to be used in publick worship it is such an idle and insignificant fancy that