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A41319 An answer to Mr. Thomas Grantham's book, called, A dialogue between the Baptist and the Presbyterian by Martin Finch. Finch, Martin, 1628?-1698. 1691 (1691) Wing F942; ESTC R7436 100,803 186

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enquire in what Sense we are to understand Christ's dying that we may know what we dispute about Let us consider 1. Who it was that dyed for Sinners and this may give light into this Controversie tho' it was only the Humane Nature of Christ that dyed or was capable of dying yet the Person was God the fellow of the Lord of Hosts therefore God is said to purchase the Church with his own Blood Act. 20. 28. If Christ indeed had not been God by nature then People might have had such low undervaluing thoughts of his Death as that he might dye in vain as to some yea as to all he dyed for But we that do believe he was God-man cannot believe but that he will infallibly save all that he dyed for Indeed if we did not believe the Doctrine of the Trinity and that Christ is the second Person of the for ever blessed and glorious Trinity and that he is the Son of God by Ineffable Eternal Generation very God as the Father is and that he took upon him Human Nature that he might suffer the Punishment of our Sins and redeem and save us we would never contend about his Death who he dyed for because if he had not been the Brightness of the Father's Glory and the express Image of his Person he could never by himself have purged away our Sins by the Sacrifice of himself It is to be feared that some Arminians are Socinians too Antitrinitarians as Michael Servetus was of whom I shall speak afterwards if God permit And indeed Arminianism prepares the way to Socinianism if God does not graciously stop Men in the way of Errour So that this I lay down as a Basis and Foundation for an Enquiry who Christ dyed for that all would consider the Eminency yea the Infiniteness of the Person that dyed for us It was he that was in the form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God tho' he took upon him the form of a Servant and was found in fashion as a Man and was obedient to Death even the Death of the Cross to redeem his Church This was the greatest wonder that ever was done in this World It is the astonishment of Angels and Men to Eternity and can any imagin that God was manifest in the Flesh and dyed in vain for any for whose sake he bare the Punishment of their Sins and went through unutterable pain and suffering for their Redemption 2. Let us consider what is the sense and meaning of Christ's dying for us It is that Christ dyed in our stead as our Surety and as a proper Sacrifice for our Sins Christ dyed not only for our good as the Socinians speak but in our stead as well as for our good Our Iniquities were laid upon him Isai 53.6 He bare our Sins in his own Body upon the Tree 1 Pet. 2.23 He suffered for Sins the Just for the Vnjust 1 Pet. 3.18 for all the Sins whatsoever of them for whom he dyed Rom. 4. ult Who was delivered for our Offences and was raised again for our Justification Those for whom Christ dyed he made an absolute perfect satisfaction for all their 〈◊〉 yea purchased Converting and Keeping Grace for them here and Glory hereafter He did not do the work of Mediator and Saviour by halves He obtained Eternal Redemption for those for whom he dyed Heb. 9.12 he gave himself for those for whom he dyed to Merit and Purchase for them Faith Repentance Grace and Glory to be infallibly bestowed upon them in the Lords appointed time and season 1 Pet. 1.18 19. Titus 3.13 14. as I shall endeavour to shew in a Chapter by it self But as for this Author and those of his way though they make a great noise about Christs dying for all Adams Posterity Yet they do really deny that Christ dyed for any Man or Woman in the World in a true Scripture Sense that is that Christ so dyed for any as to make Satisfaction for all their Sins and to purchase saving Grace here and Glory hereafter to be infallibly bestowed upon their particular persons For they say that notwithstanding Christs Death there might not one Man or Woman in the World have been saved The truth is though some may mean well and think they exalt Christ by the Doctrine of Universal Redemption Yet they do debase and dishonour Christ and bring all at last to Mans Meriting his own Salvation 1. I say that Arminians do Debase Disgrace and Dishonour Christ and that Glorious and for ever to be adored Redemption by him They talk indeed of Universal Redemption by Christ but indeed it is an Vniversal nothing in comparison of that True Perfect and Eternal Redemption that our Lord Jesus Christ hath wrought for those for whom he dyed which shall infallibly bring them to Grace here and Glory hereafter as shall God willing be manifested afterwards 2. I say that Arminians whether they do really intend it or no bring all at last to Man Meriting his own Salvation For if God the Father did no more in Electing a particular person to Grace and Glory and the Son of God in Redemption and the Holy Ghost in infusing a new Heart for those that are Saved than for those that perish for ever Then those that are Saved it is by their own Merits Worthiness Towardliness and Goodness above others and so they are not Saved by meer Grace not by any Special Discriminating Grace from the Father Son and Holy Ghost to them and so whereas God hath ordered it so that no Flesh should glory and boast in his presence These lay a Foundation for pride and self-conceit and make poor provision for admiring free special Discriminating Grace here and to Eternity in Heaven Yea one of the Arminians in answer to that question who maketh thee to differ would not mince the matter as some others do But boldly and roundly answered to the Apostles question I make my self to differ These things being premised I shall now close with you upon the Scriptures you bring and shall make it manifest if the Lord put in by his Spirit to give Light they do not hold forth that Christ dyed for all Adams Posterity 1. The first you name is Hebrews 29. We see Jesus made a little lower than the Angels for the suffering of Death Crowned with Glory and Honour that he by the Grace of God should tast death for every Man This Scripture this Author cites in the first place and Mr. J. C. in his Book called Redemption redeemed counts this Text the fullest of all other places for Universal Redemption but indeed 't is a notable Text against it and may give us much light how to understand the word all and every Man and the World in other places of Scripture 1. The Apostle shews what was the cause of Gods giving his Son to tast Death for us it was the grace of God the for ever to be Adored grace of God the exceeding
go When Job's Substance was stolen by the Sabeans and Chaldeans and his Servants slain Job worshipped and said The Lord hath given and the Lord hath taken away Chap. 1.20 21. Concerning God's All-governing Providence it is said Eccles 3.14 I know that what God doth it shall be for ever nothing can be put to it nor any thing taken from it And God doth it that Men should fear before him Concerning the Assyrian the great Enemy and Spoiler of Israel it is said Isa 10.5 O Assyrian the Rod of mine Anger and the Staff in their Hand is my Indignation I will send him against an hypocritical Nation Isa 13.16 17. Their Children also shall be dashed in pieces before their Eyes their Houses shall be spoiled and their Wives ravished Behold I will stir up the Medes against them Psal 105.25 He turned their Heart to hate his People and to deal subtilly with his Servants Matth. 6.13 And lead us not into Temptation Prov. 16.4 He hath made all things for himself and the Wicked for the Day of Evil. When Shimei cursed David 2 Sam. 16.10 he said The Lord hath said unto him Curse David Rom. 1.24 God gave them up to Vncleanness through the Lusts of their own Hearts Ver. 26. God gave them up unto vile Affections 2 Thes 2.11 12. And for this Cause God shall send them strong Delusions that they should believe a Lye that they all might be damned who believed not the Truth but had pleasure in Vnrighteousness Though God had a glorious Design in the Death of Christ yet they were wicked Hands that crucified him God's Decrees do not justifie Men's Sins It was a most horrid Act of the Jews to crucifie the Lord of Glory yet Peter saith Act. 1.23 Him being delivered by the determinate Counsel and Fore-knowledge of God ye have taken and by wicked Hands have crucified and slain Act. 4.27 28. For of a truth against thy holy Child Jesus whom thou hast anointed both Herod and Pontius Pilate and the People of Israel were gathered together to do whatsoever thy Hand and thy Counsel determined before to be done The Hand and Counsel of God determined before even from Eternity that Christ should at that very time die as Mediator for his Church and the Jews by their wicked Hands to satisfie their Malice did crucifie him as if he had been a Malefactor O the depth of the Wisdom and Knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his Judgments and his Ways past finding out But of all the Reformed Divines this Author shews most Wrath and Indignation against Calvin who in his Time was a glorious Light in the Church Mr. Richard Hooker that wrote against him about Church-Discipline yet confesseth him to be the wisest Man that ever the Church of France bred And another Episcopal Divine saith He never heard any good Man speak of him without Honour But this Author makes scurrilous Verses of him and directs them too to Calvin himself though he hath been so long dead and compares Calvin to Cain and Michael Servetus to Abel Let us enquire what this Servetus was This Author is much mistaken to think that he was put to death for being of this Author's Judgment about Baptism it was for Blasphemy against the Blessed and Holy Trinity Indeed this Author saith he was a learned and worthy Man though perhaps mistaken in some things pag. 27. Ah Do you put a Perhaps he was mistaken in some things when he denied and blasphemed the Holy Trinity Waving what Sleidan Ross and others say of him let us hear what Dr. Owen in his Answer to the Antitrinitarians and Socinians saith of this Servetus pag. 44. Servetus stuffed all his Discourses with horrid Blasphemies Beza tells us he called the Trinity Tricipitem Cerberum Words not fit to be Englished they are so full of Blasphemy and wrote that Moses was a ridiculous Impostor Beza Epist 1. And there are Passages cited out of his Book of the Trinity which I have not seen that seem to have as much of the Devil in them as ever yet was written or spoken by any of the Sons of Men. If saith he Christ be the Son of God Debuissent ergo dicere quod Deus habebat uxorem quandam spiritualem vel quod solus ipse Masculo-faemineus aut Hermaphroditus simul erat pater mater nam ratio vocabuli non patitur ut quis dicatur sine matre pater Et si Logos Filius erat natus ex patre sine matre dic mihi quomodo peperit eum per ventrem aut per latus To this heighth of Atheism and Blasphemy had Satan wrought up the Man so that I must needs say he is the only Person in the World that I ever heard or read of that ever died upon the Account of Religion in reference to whom the Zeal of them that put him to death may be acquitted Thus he Although this Author thinks that God doth not for the Manifestation of his own Glory over-rule the Children of Men yet it is mamnifest that God hath given him a Spirit of Slumber as a Check and Punishment to him that he should be left of God to desame such a Man as Calvin and extol Servetus an Antitrinitarian and one of the greatest Blasphemers of the for ever Blessed Trinity that ever was in the World By this you have lost all Credit and Esteem with all wise and knowing Christians that Worship the Holy Trinity God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Ghost three Persons and one God to whom be glory for ever CHAP. VII Of the Lords Drawing and Vniting of the Elect to Christ in effectual calling 1. VVHen Arminians have made great flourishes of Gods having the same love of good will to all Adams Posterity they are exceedingly grated with this Objection that follows If God have the same love of good will to all the Children of Adam why are but some saved and not all why doth not God convert all 1. Some of them are ready to say that God cannot Convert them they are so stubborn and rebellious though he desires to do it but this is down-right Blasphemy to say that God cannot convert those whom he purposeth intendeth and desireth to Convert he that made the Heart can change the Heart can turn it as the Rivers of Water which way soever he pleaseth with the greatest facility easilier then we can stir a finger I heard above forty years since an Arminian Preach Mr. H.D. a Man of as great Learning and Ability as most of that way in England this Man was inveighing against Election and special Grace at last he came to answer an Objection to this purpose You will say Is not this a meer beating of the Air a meer flourish of words to tell you that God hath such a Love to all Adams Posterity that he would have them all saved and yet they are not saved suppose saith he that a Mother should say that she had a great Love for