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A68610 A booke of Christian questions and answers Wherein are set foorth the cheef points of the Christian religion ... A worke right necessary and profitable for all such as shal haue to deale vvith the capious quarelinges of the vvrangling aduersaries of Gods truthe. Written in Latin by the lerned clerke Theodore Beza Vezelius, and newly translated into English by Arthur Golding.; Quaestionum et responsionum Christianarum libellus. English Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Golding, Arthur, 1536-1606. 1574 (1574) STC 2038; ESTC S112801 79,360 184

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too his rightfull vengeance for to whom is he detter either he destroyeth them out of hande or else pacientlye giuing them respit that they maye not bée altogether without taste of his goodnes either he voutsaueth not too call thē at all or he calles them no further but too make them the more vnexcusable Herevpon it commeth to passe that being left vp too their owne lustes they harden themselues vntill they haue filled vp the full measure of wickednes and then they passe awaye vntoo iudgement In what wyse these causes of the dampnation of the reprobates doo come to passe besides the ordinance of God who forsaketh the reprobates and deliuereth them vp too Sathan and too themselues as that the whole blame doth notwithstāding sticke altogether in themselues I haue shewed already in dew place Quest Then must the vessels of mercye praise the lord and the vessels of wrath blame themselues But whither maye I flee for succour in the perilous temptation of perticular election Ans Unto the effectes whereby the spirituall life is certeinlye discerned and so consequently our electiō like as the lyfe of the bodye is perceiued by feelinge and mouing For wee that walowe as yet in the puddle of this worlde are not able too lyfte vp our selues vntoo that souereyne lyght excepte wee mount vp by those steppes whereby God draweth his chosen vntoo him accordinge too hys foresaid euerlasting ordinance as whom he hath created to his own glory Therefore that I am chosen I shall perceiue first by y holinesse or sanctificationbegon in mée that is to say by my hating of sin and by my louing of rightuousnes Here vnto I shall adde the witnes of the holy ghost comforting my concience like as Dauid said why art thou heauye O my soule why doost thou gréeue thy selfe Put thy trust in the lord Hereto perteineth the earnest minding of Gods benefytes which though it rather frayeth vs than comforteth vs for a time whyle we thinke therwithall vppon our owne vnthankefulnesse yet at the length it must néedes lyft vs vp forasmuch as therein are alwayes too bée séene the manifest tokens of his free and vnchangeable fatherlye loue towardes vs not shadowed but playnelye expressed Upon this Sanctifycation and comforte of the holye Ghoste wee gather fayth And therby wee ryse vp vntoo Christe to whom whosoeuer is geeuen is of necessitye chosen in hym from afore all worldes and shall neuer bee thruste oute of the doores Question VVhat if those witnessinges be faint Answere Then it beheueth vs too knowe that wée bée tryed and therfore that our sluggishnesse is then most too be found fault with Yet withstanding our hartes must not in any wise shrinke but wee must strengthen thē with those indefinite promises and throw dartes at our aduersarie agein For although the incounter of the fleshe ageinst the spirit doo comber our consciences with great doubtinges of the trewnes of our fayth specyally as ost as the spirit seemeth too quayle and in a manner too bee quite quenched yet notwithstandyng it is certeyne that thys spirite whiche setteth it selfe truelye thoughe but faintlye ageynst the assaultes of the fleshe is the spirit of adoption the gift whereof is not too bee repented of For otherwyse the electe myght peryshe and they that bee once iustifyed myght fall away from Christ Wherevppon it woolde folowe either that God is chaungeable or that the sallyng out of his ordynance is vncertein wherof none of both can bee imputed too God without blasphemie Quest But the garlond is geuē to those onely that holde out Ans I graunt so And therfore whosoeuer is elected craueth perseuerance and obtaineth it Quest Think you then that the spirit of adoption is neuer shaken of Ans I confesse that the spirit is now and then interrupted in sore temptations that the testimonies of his dwellinge in vs are oftentimes so brought a sleepe that hee seemeth to bee quite gone from vs for a time But yet for all that I say he is neuer quite taken away for needs must gods determination of sauing his seruaunts stand sure and therfore when ▪ time serues at length the mistes of the fleshe are chaced away and the gladnesse of the lordes sauinge health alwayes restored which shyneth as the Sonne into the troubled consciences of the elect Finally I say that trewe fayth and the effectes thereof are in likewise interrupted in the elect as the powers of y mind bee hindered in them that haue the sleepye disease or in drunkenmen in whom the soule is not taken awaye for there is great oddes betwene the sleepy disease or drunkenuesse and very death and yet that they which haue the spirit of Adoption haue an assured pledge of eiernall life Therefore in this most daungerous incounter the same thing wherwith Satan assayleth vs both can and must warrant vs assured victory For except the spirit of adoption which is also the spirite of holi●●esse rightuousnesse faith and life were present in vs there should bee no striuing in vs but sin should reygne quietly at his pleasure For the man that is not indued with that spirit saith thus I doo the euill that I haue a mind vnto I do no good nor I haue no list too do it But the man that is regenerated and so consequently elected howbeit as yet still wrestling sayeth thus I doo the euill that I wold not I do not the good that I woold doo Wo is mee who shall deliuer me out of the body of this death And in crying out in this wise the elect person casteth hys Anchor in the verye Throne of God the father whom he beholdeth in the preached woord and in the Sacramentes Finally when the elect shall haue gotten the full victorye in the other world he shall say thus I doo the good that I woold doo and I doo none euill nor none I list to doo Question VVhat if a man neuer feele the testimonies of such spirit in himselfe Answere Yet must it not bee deemed that he is one of the number of the reprobates For the lord calleth those that bee his at what time he himself listeth And therefore such manner of men must bee sent away too the woord and the Sacramentes where they maye heere God speaking and alluryng synners vntoo hym For although they receyue not the fruite and operacion of those thynges for a tyme yet must they incorage themselues and also bee diligently styred vp by others too continewe in heeringe the word of God euen ageinst their wills then one tyme or other they shall obtein● that whiche the Lorde as yet deferreth not too the intent too cast them of but contrarywise too sharpen their desyr● and earnestnesse Quest I would therefore that wee might talke amonge ourselues concerning the Sacramentes also about the which in especiallye there is nowe adayes so greate strife betweene the churches Ans Truly I refuse not so to doo Notwithstandinge
to do his sonne wrong if he had pu●ished him as an offender He strake ●im therfore not as an offender but as ●ne that of his owne accord was willyng ●o yeeld himselfe as a borowe or suretie for the vnryghtuous and therefore th● father did nothyng that myght not w● stand with his iustice Quest But why was he condempned ●● the barre before the Iudge and also ex●cuted by the death of the Crosse seyn● he coulde haue dyed otherwise also fo● vs Ans To the ende it might thereby th● better appeere that he became accurse● for our sakes and that he toke vpon hy● the whole wrathe of his father against our sinnes to set vs at full liberty Quest But death is incident to the bodie onely and therfore by this death o● his he seemeth to haue discharged bu● onely our bodies And yet notwithstanding all of vs dye still VVhereupon i● seemeth to followe that he saueth neyther bodie nor soule Ans It was requisite that Christ should take vnto him both soule and body togeether that he might both die for the fyrs● death is the separation of the soule from the body and also that being become perfecte man he might deliuer men whole ● perfecte Quest Meanest thou then that he suffered also the paines whereunto our soules ●e subiecte ●ns Yea verely for it is euen the chiest part of Christes sufferinges that be●es the extreme tormentes of most cru●l death he also endured for our sakes ●e most horrible weight of gods wrath ●an the whiche nothinge can bee more ●eadfull durynge whiche tyme hys Godhead did as it were rest in hym all ●e whyle to the intent that the man●de whiche he had taken vnto hym al●houghe it quite quayled not vnder the ●urden whyche otherwise had been vn●llerable to the verye Angels myght ●otwithstanding most sharply feele and ●●nally beare out gods whole wrath vn●tterably inflamed agaynst all the sinnes ●f all the chosen euen till satisfaction were made to the full Therefore at what ●ime he hung vppon the Crosse he was ●lso in the middes of the torments of hell ●hat he might fully deliuer vs from both the deathes Quest But I pray you if he came to de●iuer vs from death why did he himself dye Ans Because that else the said soueraine iustice of god whiche it béehooued to be satisfied should not appéere in our redemption And therefore the more glorious is Christes victory euen in this respect that hée ouercame death by diyng Quest Why then doo the chosen sort die seyng Christ hath vanquished death for them Ans Because Christe is not come to restore vs into the same state of this world which wée haue lost in Adam but to remooue vs into farre better immortalitie which thing cannot bée done except wee depart out of this worlde Therfore albeit that this separation of the soule and bodye whiche is called the firste deathe sprange of sinne the remnantes wherof are euen in the holiest men yet notwithstandyng if ye marke well the purpose drift of God he strikes not the chosen with it properly as a iudge but sendes it to them as a most louyng father that calles away his children home to himselfe and therfore it not onely frayeth not the beléeuers but also refresheth and chéereth them Quest VVhy then did not that power of his vtter it self out of hande agaynst death Ans Verely it vttered it self out of hand in asmuche as his body suffered not any corruption Neuerthelesse it was his wil to haue it lie buried for a space bothe to the intent that his beyng dead in déede his death beynge confirmed also by the seales of his enemies might prooue his resurrection whiche was to insew anon after also to the intent hée might lyke a conqueror pursew death fléeyng away before him into his innermoste dungeon consequently perfume our graues with the quickening sent of his owne death Quest Is his resurrection then a witnes that he vndertooke to die willyngly to purchace immortalitie for vs Ans It is so For hée is rysen by his owne power neuer to die any more to the ende that wée also shuld be quickened in him for euermore Quest But why went he vp into heauen and not rather taried still with vs Ans In body he is verely and in deede gone away from vs amonge whom hée was and is mounted aboue all heauens where he was not afore in bodye bothe to the intent that hée beyng the first that is risen from death myght fyrst take possession of the heauenly kingdome triumphing ouer his vanquished enemies and also to teache vs to hye vs thitherwarde where he hath prepared a place for vs. And yet is he all the while present wyth vs by his spirite gouerning his Churche as the head gouerneth the members that be ioyned vnto it Quest Then hath he shifted his place to goe thither where as is no place Ans It is so he hath chaunged place accordinge as the thinge done witnesseth and according as the verynesse of a bodye yea thoughe it be glorifyed requyreth But hys chaunging of place is according to that nature whiche is bounded that is done not to forsake vs for in as muche as Christ is one persone God and man together he is neuerthelesse still present with his seruauntes by his whole power because hee is verye God but t● wythdrawe vs from the earthe and to teache vs to seeke heauenly thinges And where as thou sayest there is no plac● whether as he is ascended it is a fond● imagination Let this suffice thee namely that the godhead onely is infinite an● that all other thinges either in heauen or aboue heauen or in earth or in the bottomelesse déepes and consequently his body which though it be a glorified body is notwithstandyng still a mans bodie are accordynge to the nature of them finite and bownded with place And how they be contained in that eternall glory wée shall then perceiue when wée come thither ourselues Quest Thou seemest then to deuide Christ or to make two Christs of whō the one is present and thother is away Ans When I say that Christ is absent as concernyng his flesh and yet auouche him to be verily present both as concernyng his godhead and also if he be considered as a whole thing that is to say as one person God and man I deuide him not but take away the confoundyng of his natures Quest What is ment by his sitting at the right hand of the father Ans That he hauyng layd aside not the verines of his flesh but all infirmitie frailtie of the flesh is now aduaunced to such state of glorie as surmounteth all name That is to wit that his fleshe is already fully glorifyed by the godhead which dwelleth bodily in it without beréeuing it of the own essence or essētiall properties and y it ordereth and ruleth all things in heauen and earth with
Can God bee thought too haue willed or ordeined any thinge which he misliketh and so consequently which is euill Ans Truly it must néedes bee confessed that whatsoeuer god hath ordeined it is ordeined altogether willingly but euen herein also appéereth rightly his infinite wisedome that with him euen the darknes hath a respect of light yea and that in such wise as it neuerthelesse both is continueth darknesse still that is to saye it is good that there shoulde be also some euill bicause god findeth the reason how it may come too passe y the thing whiche both is and contineweth euil still of it owne nature maye neuerthelesse haue a respect of goodnes before him and howe the thinge that is against his wil that is to say which of it own nature is vnrightuous and therefore pleaseth not God may not come to passe without hys will that is to saye without his ordinance As for examples sake That God saueth his elect by redemption fréelye geuen in hys sonne Christe it is too his owne excedinge great glory which otherwise shold not haue shone forth But man shoulde not haue needed redemption from sinne and death excepte there had béene sinne and death Ergo in respecte of Goddes ordinaunce it was good that sinne and death shoulde enter into the worlde And yet the same sinne both is and contineweth so sinfull of it owne nature as amendes coulde not bee made for it but by most terrible punishement Agayne wée recouer muche more in Christ thā wee forwent in Adam Ergo Adams fall was the best and profitablest thinge that coulde bee for vs as in respecte of God who by this wonderfull meane prepareth a kingdome of euerlastinge glory for vs in Christe yet this fall is so euill of it owne nature that euen wee that beléeue and are iustified doo feele many misteries and mischaunces which springe of it euen too the death Also it is grealy to the glorye of god that he sheweth himselfe a moste sore punisher of all sinne But if there had beene no sinne there had bin no gap open for this iudgement to come in at Ergo in respecte of gods ordinaunce it was good that there shoulde bee sin and that the same should afterward bee spred abroade too bee punished with euerlastinge paines in the Deuilles and in all that bee set without Christe Also Sainct Peter sayeth It is y will of God that is too say it is his ordinaunce that when wee doo well wee shoulde bee misintreated But hee that ●ooth well cannot be hurte but by sinne Ergo in respecte of God that willeth it that is to saye whiche ordayneth it it is good that there shoulde bee persecutors of the Churche whome notwythstan●ynge hee iustlye punisheth afterwarde moste seuerelye as offenders agaynste ●is will that is to say as dooers agaynst that which he alloweth Therfore euen by the expresse words of y Apostles the thing that is ageinst Gods will that is too saye against that which he alloweth and commaundeth commeth not to passe without his will that is to saye without his ordinaunce and yet can it not therefore be said that god is contrary to himselfe or that he willeth iniquitie accordyng as Austin doth rightly conclude ageinst Iulian out of the word of god Quest Therefore it seemeth right that sufferance should be distinguished from willingnesse An. What I deeme meete to be thought of this distinction I haue spoken a little afore Truly if Sufferance bee matched ageinst Will that is to say ageinst ordinance such ouersetting is not only false but also foolish and fond considering that euen in suche actions as are not of free choise by themselues as for example when marchantmen that be in daunger doo cast out their goods and generally as often as men choose the lesse euill too auoyde the greater inconuenience euen the heathen menne ackowledged free will too beare sway But if Sufferance bee matched ageinst willingnesse that is to wit ageinst that which God is willing withal as well liked and accepted of him by it selfe of it owne nature so as the thing that is good of it self may bee matched ageinst that which is good but by well falling out and which hath some respect of good in it not of it owne nature but in respect of the ende that it is guided vntoo by God through whose incomprehensible wisedome euen the darknes doth seruice vnto the light theu truely I admit it so that this also be added to it namely that the same is not a vaine and idle sufferance as a number dreame but a most workful and yet neuerthelesse a most rightfull Sufferance for the better vnderstāding wherof take the matter in feawe woordes too stande thus I thinke thou wylt not saye that a iudge is but as an ydle loker on when vppon the heering of a transgressors case he deliuereth him too the Shreefe too be put too this kynde of punishement or that For surely the Shreefe doth not so muche put hym too death as he is the instrument of the Iudge that putteth hym too death so as if anye cruelty bee extended in that behalfe by the sentence of the iudge the same may bee imputed not so much too the executioner as too the iudge that commaunded him Quest I graunt all this But how manye vnlikely hoddes be there betwene these and the thinges that we intreate of Ans I confesse that For else there shold bee no difference or at leas●wise verye small betwene a like thinge and a same thing Neuerthelesse I woold haue y r●●ken vp at leastwise the cheefe of them that I may answer to them one by one Quest In the sentence of Iudges there goeth tryall before but in these thinges wherof you intreate there is oftentimes no such thing perceiued An. How many thinges are done iustly by the magistrats of this world the tryall wherof is not sene of their subiects And wilt thou attribute lesse vnto God who sercheth throughly all thinges the lye hyd euen in the bottoms of mens hartes as well past as too come Quest The Shref doth nothing but by cōmissiō receiued But where haue the wicked me receiued any such cōmaūdement as to kil one another or to hurt good men An. In this thou art deceiued y whatsoeuer god appointed to be don thou imaginest him to giue knowledge of it with some loude voyce vnto thē whose seruice he purposeth to vse in the dooinge of it But experience it selfe teacheth that y is not alwayes trew in neither of both the cases that is too say whither he haue determined to vse mercye or to vse iustice no not euen then when hee vseth instrumentes that haue vnderstandinge For who doubteth but that Pharao was ordeined of God to intertaine Ioseph and too prepare harborow for his Churche And yet he receiued no suche cōmaundement outwardly no nor so muche as thought of anye suche thinge in himselfe Neuerthelesse that was ordeyned of God and the