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A85387 Cata-baptism: or new baptism, waxing old, and ready to vanish away. In two parts. The former containes LVIII. considerations, (with their respective proofs, and consectaries) pregnant for the healing of the common scruples touching the subject of baptism, and manner of baptizing. The latter, contains an answer to a discours against infant-baptism, published not long since by W.A. under the title of, Some baptismall abuses brielfy discovered, &c. In both, sundry things, not formerly insisted on, are discovered and discussed. / By J.G. a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1655 (1655) Wing G1155; Thomason E849_1; ESTC R207377 373,602 521

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give_v testimony_n unto_o christ_n so_o do_v all_o or_o very_o many_o of_o the_o latter_a prophet_n i_o mean_v those_o worthy_a instrument_n by_o who_o god_n have_v enlighten_v the_o world_n in_o and_o since_o the_o reformation_n begin_v by_o luther_n give_v testimony_n against_o that_o generation_n of_o man_n we_o speak_v of_o as_o man_n by_o who_o unworthiness_n in_o several_a kind_n the_o interest_n of_o the_o gospel_n have_v deep_o suffer_v in_o the_o world_n the_o course_n of_o the_o gospel_n say_v scultetus_n decad._n 1_o anno._n 1525._o be_v this_o year_n hinder_v and_o obstruct_v in_o zuitzerland_n and_o moravia_n by_o the_o anabaptistical_n sect_n elsewhere_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o saintgal_n he_o say_v it_o be_v various_o exercise_v or_o disturb_a by_o the_o anabaptist_n elsewhere_o he_o write_v that_o these_o anabaptist_n be_v extreme_o troublesome_a to_o the_o christian_n in_o the_o two_o city_n of_o ulme_n and_o augusta_n or_o auspurg_n in_o the_o low_a suevia_n again_o write_v of_o the_o year_n 1527._o he_o say_v this_o year_n the_o anabaptistical_n and_o sacramentary_a war_n or_o quarrel_n be_v very_o hot_a to_o th●_n great_a damage_n
itself_o therefore_o if_o the_o uncircumcision_n shall_v keep_v the_o righteousness_n of_o the_o law_n shall_v not_o his_o uncircumsion_n be_v count_v for_o circumcision_n i._o shall_v he_o not_o be_v equal_a in_o account_n with_o god_n with_o he_o that_o be_v circumcise_v though_o as_o righteous_a as_o he_o rom._n 2._o 26._o in_o like_a manner_n if_o he_o who_o very_o think_v he_o have_v be_v baptize_v shall_v as_o real_o &_o conscientious_o perform_v all_o the_o engagement_n which_o baptism_n impose_v upon_o man_n shall_v not_o his_o non-baptism_n be_v count_v baptism_n unto_o he_o and_o for_o any_o matter_n of_o benefit_n which_o mr._n a._n can_v pretend_v shall_v accrue_v unto_o a_o person_n actual_o baptize_v by_o mean_n of_o this_o his_o baptism_n the_o same_o or_o as_o much_o questionles_o shall_v be_v confer_v by_o god_n upon_o he_o in_o who_o he_o find_v a_o willing_a heart_n &_o ready_a mind_n to_o be_v baptize_v and_o who_o refrain_v from_o be_v actual_o baptize_v only_o out_o of_o conscience_n towards_o god_n and_o fear_v of_o offend_v he_o sect._n 125._o whereas_o mr._n a._n pretend_v that_o opportunity_n of_o satisfaction_n by_o the_o mean_v specify_v touch_v man_v have_v be_v baptize_v may_v be_v cut_v off_o by_o the_o death_n or_o other_o removal_n of_o such_o from_o who_o it_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v or_o else_o by_o the_o removal_n of_o such_o infant_n themselves_o into_o place_n fa●re_v remote_a before_o they_o come_v to_o age_n etc._n etc._n answer_n in_o part_n have_v be_v make_v already_o where_o it_o be_v show_v that_o little_a or_o no_o inconvenience_n accru_v unto_o any_o man_n by_o his_o not_o have_v be_v baptize_v in_o case_n he_o be_v very_o persuade_v that_o he_o have_v be_v baptize_v and_o with_o all_o be_v inward_o and_o cordial_o willing_a and_o ready_a to_o be_v baptize_v in_o case_n he_o deem_v himself_o unbaptise_v i_o here_o add_v 1._o that_o in_o case_n the_o general_a usage_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n or_o people_n of_o god_n in_o any_o place_n be_v to_o baptize_v their_o child_n though_o all_o ocular_a witness_n as_o parent_n neighbour_n kindred_n etc._n etc._n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o any_o person_n shall_v be_v cut_v off_o by_o death_n or_o however_o yet_o the_o know_a custom_n of_o the_o place_n be_v security_n in_o abundance_n to_o such_o a_o person_n that_o he_o have_v be_v baptize_v therefore_o mr._n a_n supposal_n in_o the_o case_n before_o we_o be_v impertinent_a and_o slight_a and_o 2._o the_o course_n which_o mr._n a._n himself_o steer_v with_o his_o child_n i_o mean_v in_o not_o cause_v they_o to_o come_v unto_o christ_n in_o baptism_n the_o more_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o people_n of_o god_n in_o the_o nation_n which_o stand_v for_o baptise_v child_n consider_v be_v far_o more_o likely_a in_o case_n of_o his_o removal_n by_o death_n or_o of_o his_o child_n removal_n into_o place_n far_o remote_a before_o they_o come_v to_o age_n to_o deprive_v they_o of_o all_o mean_n of_o satisfaction_n touch_v their_o baptise_v than_o the_o baptise_v of_o child_n in_o a_o concurrence_n which_o be_v the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o saint_n where_o they_o be_v bear_v be_v to_o draw_v they_o into_o a_o snare_n of_o uncertainty_n whether_o they_o be_v baptize_v or_o no_o whatsoever_o may_v befall_v to_o disadvantage_n they_o in_o this_o kind_n for_o in_o case_n the_o parent_n of_o mr._n a_n child_n shall_v be_v both_o dead_a before_o they_o the_o say_a child_n come_v to_o age_n what_o mean_n be_v there_o for_o they_o to_o receive_v satisfaction_n whether_o they_o be_v baptize_v or_o no_o 3._o and_o last_o according_a to_o m._n a_n own_o principle_n it_o be_v little_a or_o nothing_o material_a whither_o a_o person_n be_v come_v to_o year_n of_o understanding_n know_v that_o he_o be_v baptize_v in_o infancy_n or_o no._n for_o in_o case_n he_o be_v baptize_v this_o baptism_n with_o mr._n a._n be_v but_o a_o nullity_n and_o consequent_o the_o person_n remain_v notwithstanding_o this_o baptism_n unbaptise_v and_o in_o case_n he_o be_v not_o then_o baptise_a he_o be_v but_o in_o the_o self_n same_o condition_n sect._n 126._o all_o these_o particular_n due_o weigh_v and_o consider_v it_o be_v too_o evident_a to_o be_v deny_v by_o any_o but_o those_o that_o will_v not_o see_v that_o mr._n a._n have_v very_o small_a reason_n to_o affirm_v that_o there_o be_v not_o as_o good_a reason_n for_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n as_o there_o be_v for_o their_o circumcise_n only_o because_o circumcision_n be_v no_o transient_a thing_n but_o permanent_a in_o the_o flesh_n whereas_o baptism_n be_v transient_a and_o leave_v no_o visible_a impression_n in_o the_o flesh_n of_o the_o infant_n and_o that_o he_o may_v with_o as_o much_o reason_n argue_v thus_o there_o be_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n why_o matthew_n shall_v be_v a_o evangelist_n which_o there_o be_v for_o luke_n because_o matthew_n have_v sometime_o be_v a_o publican_n whereas_o luke_n be_v a_o physician_n or_o thus_o there_o be_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n why_o ma●y_v shall_v be_v save_v which_o there_o be_v why_o lazarus_n shall_v be_v save_v because_o lazarus_n be_v a_o man_n whereas_o mary_n be_v a_o woman_n these_o be_v very_o genuine_a parallel_n of_o mr._n a_n reason_v in_o the_o first_o point_n of_o difference_n assign_v by_o he_o between_o the_o circumcise_n of_o infant_n and_o their_o baptise_v nor_o do_v he_o quit_v himself_o any_o whit_n more_o like_o a_o man_n in_o his_o second_o the_o tenor_n hereof_o be_v this_o p._n 27._o 2._o i_o answer_v yet_o further_o that_o the_o end_n of_o circumcision_n though_o administer_v to_o infant_n be_v better_o attain_v than_o the_o end_n of_o baptism_n can_v be_v when_o it_o be_v so_o apply_v because_o much_o of_o the_o benefit_n of_o circumcision_n do_v accrue_v to_o the_o circumcise_a upon_o the_o work_n do_v without_o respect_n to_o any_o inward_a qualification_n or_o endowment_n whereas_o the_o benefit_n of_o baptism_n do_v not_o accrue_v mere_o upon_o the_o work_n do_v but_o be_v suspend_v upon_o the_o knowledge_n faith_n etc._n etc._n of_o he_o that_o be_v baptize_v this_o somewhat_o also_o be_v cast_v up_o amount_v to_o just_a nothing_o for_o 1._o the_o main_a hinge_n upon_o which_o this_o peiece_n of_o discouse_n turn_v be_v crazy_a and_o crack_v quite_o through_o for_o it_o be_v a_o not_o orious_a untruth_n that_o much_o of_o the_o benefit_n of_o circumcision_n do_v accrue_v to_o the_o circumcise_a upon_o the_o work_n do_v against_o such_o a_o notion_n as_o this_o the_o scripture_n rise_v up_o like_o a_o arm_a man_n for_o circumcision_n say_v the_o apostle_n very_o profit_v if_o thou_o keep_v the_o law_n but_o if_o thou_o be_v a_o breaker_n of_o the_o law_n thy_o circumcision_n be_v make_v uncircumcision_n rom._n 2_o 25_o if_o much_o of_o the_o benefit_n of_o circumcision_n do_v accrue_v to_o the_o circumcise_a mere_o upon_o the_o work_n do_v circumcision_n will_v have_v profit_v they_o and_o that_o to_o a_o considerable_a degree_n whether_o they_o have_v keep_v the_o law_n i._o the_o rest_n of_o the_o law_n or_o no._n and_o circumcision_n will_v have_v be_v not_o only_o that_o in_o the_o heart_n but_o that_o which_o be_v outward_a also_o in_o the_o flesh_n which_o notwithstanding_o the_o apostle_n ver_fw-la 28._o 29._o deni_v it_o to_o be_v yea_o 2._o it_o be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v true_a that_o much_o of_o the_o benefit_n of_o circumcision_n do_v accrue_v to_o the_o circumcise_a upon_o the_o work_n do_v that_o without_o righteousness_n and_o worthy_a walk_n it_o render_v the_o circumcise_a so_o much_o the_o more_o obnoxious_a to_o the_o displeasure_n and_o judgement_n of_o god_n and_o shall_v not_o uncircumcision_n say_v the_o apostle_n which_o be_v by_o nature_n if_o it_o fulfil_v the_o law_n judge_v thou_o who_o by_o the_o letter_n and_o circumcision_n do_v transgress_v the_o law_n rom._n 2._o 27._o yea_o sect._n 127._o 2._o such_o observation_n of_o the_o law_n from_o whence_o there_o be_v much_o more_o reason_n and_o likelihood_n that_o much_o benefit_n shall_v have_v accrue_v to_o the_o observer_n upon_o the_o work_n do_v then_o from_o circumcision_n upon_o these_o term_n be_v yet_o so_o far_o from_o be_v beneficial_a unto_o they_o upon_o any_o such_o account_n that_o they_o be_v a_o hatred_n and_o abomination_n unto_o god_n to_o what_o purpose_n be_v the_o multitude_n of_o your_o sacrifice_n when_o you_o come_v to_o appear_v before_o i_o who_o have_v require_v this_o at_o your_o hand_n to_o tread_v in_o my_o court_n bring_v no_o more_o oblation_n incense_n be_v a_o abomination_n unto_o i_o the_o new_a moon_n and_o sabbath_n the_o call_n of_o assembly_n i_o can_v away_o with_o your_o new_a moon_n and_o your_o appoint_a feast_n my_o soul_n hate_v etc._n etc._n isa_n 1._o