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A41505 A discourse about ceremonies, church-government and liturgy humbly offered to the consideration of the convocation / by J.G.G. Gailhard, J. (Jean) 1696 (1696) Wing G120; ESTC R25091 108,929 160

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all the Papists keep for her when alas I defie them all together to prove any of those Days to be the Day which they keep it for so then they are kept at a Venture What shall we say of the Names of Rogations Ember Week and so many more to be found in our Prayer-book which are the Quintessence of Popish Superstitious Holy Days What I say is not in Relation to the civil Part of those Names but as to the Spiritual as they are brought into the Church But they will say we keep not all such Dayes there is only a certain Number mentioned after the Kalender but I ask wherefore then do you set them down yet there are Mornings and Evenings first and second Lessons for the very Day which I make no doubt are read where Service is every Day In the same Kalender we find the fasts as well as Feasts and those Fasts are always upon the Eves of certain Holy Days which are many only I find St. Mark and St. Luke have none whilest All Saints have wherein a Partiality appeareth we have Good Friday Holy Thursday no better nor holier than another whole Lent c. But this matter of Feasts and Fasts I have spoken of before Upon the first of May is the Feast by Papists dedicated to Philip and James but we are so fond of the Latin Tongue that because Jacobus is the Latin for James in the Payer-book 't is called Jacob and not James I know no other Reason why it should be so only because it hath a greater Affinity to the Latin the Latin Church we still retain a Kindness for After the Kalender are certain Notes belonging to it whereof one is that the 13th Chapter of Daniel is to be read until such Words The Book of Daniel hath but 12. Chapters in all and must the History of Susanna against which as an Apocrypha are lawful Exceptions be fathered upon that holy Prophet and be inserted into his Book as a Chapter of it In the Morning and Evening Prayers when the general Confession is read by the Minister it were well for the People within themselves or with a very low Voice to follow him but so loud as usually it is is not pertinent but makes a Noise and Confusion for the same Reason the Answers that follow the Lord's Prayer which indeed have very little Relation if any at all with what goeth before or what followeth In Prayer the Minister is the Mouth of the People to God and the People with their Hearts are to joyn with the Minister in his Prayer as with Reverence and Attention they ought to hear when he is God's Mouth to them that is when he preacheth I might take notice of what is said there of singing the Lesson in plain Tune to sing the Collect Epistle and Gospel which are very improper things So of their Benedicite Magnificat Nunc dimittis which I suppose might admit of English Names of which I shall speak hereafter as for the Answers at the latter End they contain good Expressions but ill applied without a Connexion between themselves all after the Romish way which 't is to be wished we had not so much of as we have we could well enough be without it as without those Portions of Apocryphas when we are wanting something for Instruction Comfort and Edification which the Word of God may supply us with 'T is not enough to sing our Prayers but our Creed and Confession of Faith must also be sung as ordered in the Evening Prayer upon some certain great Days therein named We grant that 't is well to have those several things in Verses to use them however herein Men ought not to allow themselves oto much Liberty for the Word of God ought always to be handled with a great Respect and Reverence the Tone of our Voice ought to be adapted to the Matter and the Occasion according to that Rule of St. James Jam. 5.13 Is any among you afflicted Let him pray is any merry Let him sing Psalms Prayer and Singing are different Duties to be used upon several Occasions as are Affliction and Mirth Before I proceed farther one thing I must take notice of which to me seems unaccountable that is the using of the Word Priest in our Prayer-book In the two Places I quoted before Ephes 4.11 1 Cor. 12.28 whereunto we may joyn Rom 12 the Apostle mentioneth the several Offices belonging to the Church but there is no sign either of the Name or of the Office of a Priest under the Law there were some because Sacrifices were to be made but under the Gospel no Sacrifice but of Prayer and Praise we have the Eucharisty or Commemoration of our Lord and Saviour's Sacrifice upon the Cross but that 's good for Papists to have Priests who pretend daily to make an Expiatory Sacrifice for the Sins of the Living and of the Dead but we abhor such a thing at least pretend to do so We say we abolish the thing and yet retain the Name the Name of Minister is in Scripture known in this Sence 1 Cor. 44.1 Let a Man so account of us as of the Ministers of Christ and Stewards of the Mysteries of God The Names Bishop Pastor and Elder are known in Scripture but if they think the Word Minister below them which I charitably believe they do not because sometimes though seldom they use it then they may use the Word Elder or Presbyter which is the Greek for Elder 1 Pet. 5.1 Presbyter as St. Peter calls himself and Presbytery are Scripture Names signifying Office in the Church but there is a great Difference between 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Presbyter and a Priest which is the proper Signification of the last as Heb. 5.6 so then the Word Priest is fetched afar off and there is no such Office in the Christian Church As to the Litany the same may be said by the People at the same time with the Minister but with a low Voice and not not after and separately they do it after the manner of the Kirie Eleison used by Papists here the People not the Minister make the Prayer for they and not he say Spare us good Lord Good Lord deliver us We beseech thee to hear us good Lord. When 't is said from Fornication and all other deadly Sin the Word deadly doth favour the Popish erroneous Distinction of Mortal and Venial Sins They hold but seven Mortal Sins whereof Fornication is one but they hold there are Sins of their Nature not mortal and which do not deserve Death which is contrary to the whole Course of Scripture Ezech. 18.20 Rom. 6.23 which saith expresly the Soul that sinneth it shall die and the Wages of Sin is Death This may easily be mended with changing the Word deadly into any of these gross horrid enormeous or such like which to deny is certainly to refuse Peace upon easie Terms to
A DISCOURSE ABOUT CEREMONIES Church-Government AND LITURGY Humbly offered to the Consideration of the Convocation By J. G. G. But in vain do they worship me teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men Matth. 15.9 See that thou make all things according to the Pattern shewed thee in the Mount Heb. 8.5 LONDON Printed and are to be sold by Richard Baldwin at the Oxford Arms in Warwick Lane MDCXCVI TO THE READER SOme time ago came out a Pamphlet called A fair Character of the Presbyterian Reformlings just and sober Vindication of his Observations upon the 30th of January and 29th of May c. wherein the Author who cannot deny himself instead of arguing in a fair way doth after his usual manner continue in his Nonsence and giving ill Language We looking upon that barren Soul of his to be like the Earth spoken of in Scripture Heb. 6.8 which beareth Thorns and Briers and nothing else to condescend to that Narrowness of his do now afford him ample matter and a large Field which we never intended to have done if in his scribbling he had given but an indifferent Satisfaction but in case hereafter he doth mend we ingage fairly to reply to any reasonable Answer he happeneth to give the following Papers and therein also to take notice of the forementioned Pamphlet though it be not worth it in the least which to demonstrate I now by the by shall produce three or four Instances upon several Heads to the end that they which know not his way may be informed of the Nature of the Tree by his Fruit. The first thing obvious is out of his Preface and that 's his fantastical Notions and like Expressions about Ray the Mad-man for Men of the same Kidney are well acquainted one with another to haire it about Town without his Cravat on or the Court Baux to air in the Park without a Steinkirk twisted Post Neckcloth and this attended with a Just so perhaps for the Compleat Attorney c. Who can forbear applauding unto and admiring at these high and noble Notions fit and proper Expressions for a Divine and in matters of this Nature so well compacted and handsomly coherent one with another Surely the Man must need be in love with his own Wit and a great Admirer of himself so let him be for me who have not been at School with him at Bedlam nor pretend to such an unexhaustible Stock of Nonsence as we find him to be possessed of as his whole Pamphlet doth evince and demonstrate after reading whereof no Doctor though but of indifferent Skill can deny such an one to want a pretty strong Dose of Hellebore Alas Poor Man he is much to be pitied but not at all to be envied like a weak silly Knat sticks at a slight Cobweb What a foolish ado is there with him about a Mistake in the Printer for misquoting a Text of Scripture in the Title Page where John is put for Ezekiel which if he had pleased he might have found rectified in the Margin of my Page 44. One that insists so much upon such things as about it to bestow the greatest Part of his Page 3. must needs have little else to say But a drowning Man lays hold on and catches at any thing in his way The Bottom of that Man's Spirit against Reformers and Reformation from Popery doth more and more appear for concerning it he hath spoken not only against Calvin pag. 25 26. but also falls upon Luther whose Reformation he calls a Combustion in Germany about Religion pag. 27. and to be ingenuous saith he was set on foot through Interest and a Pique c. and the loss of a little Interest more than a Religious Dislike moved him to quarrel with Indulgences About this he fills up almost two of his Pages from the latter end of Pag. 23. till the Middle of pag. 25. Where he useth these Expressions which in my sence smells something of Interest This he borrowed from Papists who said it long before him But what can be expected from a Man who seems to make no Difference between John of Leyden and that worthy Martyr Jerome of Prague whom in his first Page he puts together and in the same Category or Predicament How pitifully doth he come off in his page 25. about what I said concerning bowing at or towards the Altar in my pag. 49 50 c. wherein he gives a strong Proof of his Learning as page 27. he doth of his great Judgment when he saith the Reformer is angry that I do not prove every thing out of Scripture what will become of the Parliament and Westminster Hall if we cannot find them in the Bible The Question is about matters of Divine Worship which I suppose he will own to be a Point of Religion whereof Scripture is the Rule how then doth he bring in over Head and Shoulders the Parliament and Westminster Hall One would think he hath chiefly consulted how to promote the Bookseller's and may be his own Interest with turning the half of his Pamphlet into a kind of silly Play not to instruct but if possible to delight the Reader to make it sell the better for generally now is a better Market for comical than for serious things But he must needs find himself much mistaken for his Jests are insipid and if ever he thereby aimed at Gain or Credit he is fallen very short of his Expectation but I find the Fool of the Play is the Part he hath taken upon him to act on this Stage as his Enter Observator pag. 17. and Exit with Enter Reformling pag. 22. do declare Out of these few Instances the Reader may judge I deal against no dangerous Antagonist and so it will be no hard Work for me upon Occasion to answer his Libel or Pamphlet it will be much easier for me to do 't than for him to excuse or vindicate the seditious nay blasphemous Expressions in some of the Sermons preached on these Aniversary Days such as on the last 30th of January we beard in the Chapel of Chelsey College where one having in the Pulpit quoted Milton and screwed Passive Obedience to the Height said The Sin of putting King Charles to death is in some respect worse than that of the Jews for crucifying our Saviour for the Jews never owned Jesus Christ to be their King such Comparisons are odious and very unbecoming for they run not only between the Acts but also between the Sufferers 'T is to be wished these matters were laid aside specially now when there is an Act of Indulgence and every one should be satisfied to enjoy his own way but 't is sad to see these things to be revived every Year or almost every Day and this in a bitter and uncharitable way But indeed being th●s provoked we can't and must not forsake our Cause and be mute when called Factions Schismaticks Enemies to all Order in Church and State 't is but reasonable and necessary for